TRUST has just put out a Turbo kit for the RX8, well they have it at least. I will get some pics out for you guys this afternoon.

JT

wow, that was...relatively fast

Dont be $hittin us.. you know we want the power.. hehehe I can't take no more rumor and speculation.. too much going around already.. I think I'm gonna faint.

TD06-18G.... So its pretty small. At least its not a TD05 hehe

Its on an RX8 as we speak, but I started reading more since there isnt a price.

Sorry though guys, it wasnt meant to be BS, and its not. I just got a little excited..hehe

Anyway, Trust put the kit on. At .4kg Boost they are getting 50hp extra out of the motor. Sure does cut down on the clutter in the engine bay.

I forgot my camera at work, so I will get pics tomorrow for sure. I will have my hook-up call Trust too for more info!

JT

what is .4kg in psi? ive never heard that before for boost... is that kg/m^2?

Also, id be interested in mpg figures on the test car as soon as possible as I think they'll be rather good... when do you expect completion of the project?

Have you heard of BAR before?

Anway, I will get some info from Trust the day after tomorrow since my hook-up will be on holiday tomorrow OOPS

I really need to know when the Turbo kit hits the domestic US market!!! I sell RX-8s for a living and people will want to know when they can start making them forced induction cars.

Yeah, i have heard of BAR... so your saying its .4 bar?

1 BAR = 1.02 Kg/sq cm

So they are essentially the same thing. ".4Kg" = .4 BAR = 6lbs of boost.

Personally, I would hope they would get more than 50 Horsepower from 6lbs. I would hope for at least 75hp.

-Mr. Wigggles

Originally posted by MrWigggles
Personally, I would hope they would get more than 50 Horsepower from 6lbs. I would hope for at least 75hp.

-Mr. Wigggles


...but manifold pressure isn't a very good metric for judging the level of flow. i don't have the compressor map for the TD06 in front of me (and by RX-7 standards, that is a seriously wimpy turbo), but with a little porting you could probably maintain that pressure level, push the efficiency up a bit, and end up with closer to your 75hp. if not, at least it'd spool well :D

edit ah, afterthoughts... did they do this with the lo-po 4 port motor, or the hi-po 6 port motor?? heh heh, i know what i'd do ;)

Yeah, the TD06 is a "wimpy" turbo, but it's exactly what they want for the RX-8 -

- Good response and improved low-end power
- Low boost due to high compression rotors

Most of Greddy's add-on turbo kits are conservative (like the Miata kit) and I imagine this isn't an exception.

Hell, if they're making 50hp (which I have no reason to doubt) that'll be one helluva kit. 50hp is nothing to sneeze at!

Dale

trust aka greddy in the states produces weak ass turbo kits

Trust makes weak ass turbo kits? humm perhaps you should drop by the RX7forum or Nopistons and say that. hehe

is this for automatic also

I like small turbos, but with a compression ratio of 10:1 you don't have to worry about turbo-lag as much.

For piston engines, Many people have run a TO4E at up to 10PSI on pump gas with the 2JZ-GE (NA sister to the Supra turbo's 2JZ-GTE). I mention that engine, because the 2JZ-GE because it is also a 225HP motor and has a compression ratio of 10:1 and there is no apparent turbo lag while people are getting 350+ RWHP reliably on pump gas.

I'll take whatever they make, but it seems like a lot of work to do a turbo kit and only wind up with 50 extra HP, even if it is 50HP accross most of the rev band. That is the type of power I would expect from a much simpler bolt-on (and bolt-off ;)) Eaton supercharger kit.

-Mr. Wigggles

Ps. Is the price going to be in the $3000-$4000 range? And is it 50HP at the wheels or at the crank?

JT what happened to posting pictures

Oh ya trust makes some good stuff just check out the rsx greddy turbo kit. I think they are almost up to 200hp now ! (oh ya and when i say 200 hp i mean that the car is almost up to crank hp while people going NA are beating Zs and stuff with 235 whp or more lol!)

Oh ya and once greddy fixes all the problems with all the cels and fuel maps and other crap they will finally get their 50 hp too yay!

I wouldnt get greddy again even if it was free.

Oh ya im not hating im just going off of my past experience with greddy especially their great evo exhaust that comes with free rattles. I also like how the CS likes to dodge handeling the issues with their products. Its very skillful and shows what a great company they are!

my greddy evo on my last car didn't rattle or whatever you said

bla, bla, bla ,bla... .... but the real question is where is that turbo kit that has "landed" no pics, no links, no nothing ...
It is so seakening how the're claims of so many things but at the end it ends up in bla, bla , bla

bottom line, there is no 'turbo kit' yet for the 8 , because if i want to buy it tomorrow, i wouldn't find it...

I have your BLA BLA right here.

Another

Last one, pics arent great, but Im working on some from TRUST.

The back of the turbo

Originally posted by Jt-Imports
I have your BLA BLA right here.

LOL Jason!

Originally posted by U. N. O.
bla, bla, bla ,bla... .... but the real question is where is that turbo kit that has "landed" no pics, no links, no nothing ...
It is so seakening how the're claims of so many things but at the end it ends up in bla, bla , bla

bottom line, there is no 'turbo kit' yet for the 8 , because if i want to buy it tomorrow, i wouldn't find it...


wtfpwned!

Bla, bla, bla, BLING !

Cool deal!

I'm still trying to sort out the pictures - the intake plumbing has to be weird. The turbo, I would assume, would be on the left side of the engine bay (looking from the front of the car) since it's right off the exhaust. Not to mention the picture from under the car looks odd - almost looks like the turbo is on the opposite side of the engine! It's likely just the picture, though.

You can totally tell that's a prototype - all the wiring everywhere :). I'm guessing they're probably using an E-manage or something to retune the fuel curve for the turbo - that's what they did with one of the newest Honda turbo kits.

Post up anything else you discover - that looks like it's gonna be a neat setup!

Dale

Dale, thats the passenger side tranny mount in the picture behind the turbo. You can just make out the tranny on the left side. They got creative on intercooler plumbing.

thank you JT-- please post hp figures or price or any other info

Rotarygod: I don't see an intercooler in those pictures....which is good if they are getting 50hp out of non-intercooled FI. A little more work on the design of the "plumbing" and the addition of an intercooler could provide more like 75hp (though I have never compared intercooled vs. non-intercooled output).

If am missing something in those photo's please explain.

TGIF...a weekend of driving ahead!

Yeah it does look a little confusing, thats why im trying to get some other pics. I want to see the plumbing and such.

I want to see whats below...

I am working it though..

great.. i made my point in this one, you showed pics. although is of the 'tubing' and the setup looks unclear. i guess it all starts this way; experimenting and such. i have to admit that it is a start to even get such 'tubing' , if it is available to the public.... one question, is it worth it to go from such high volume air box as the stock one to go with the filter u r using? i assume that the volume id less thus making it harder to breath. yeah aftermarket filter makes it easier for air to pass thur but less voulme at a time right?

Reverse Pysh never worked well with me.

I said I would post when I had time.

I think that there is probably an intercooler up front somewhere but there just isn't a picture of it. You never know, maybe the pipe does go straight from the turbo to the intake but I suspect that the piping runs under the car to an intercooler and we just can't see it.

It certainly doesn't appear to be the case. If there is an IC in there, it is well hidden.

that engine bay is ugly.

Would using water injection allow you to turn up the boost past the .4 PSI that its currently using? I would think WI would be a great setup for the RX-8, due to the space limitations for the IC, etc.

My credit-card is already melting...

I really look forward to a production version. I don't mind being first. I would certainly be happier with 75hp. Sounds like a lot of work for 50hp.

First there's a FI system, then you need brakes, then body kit, of course you must get wheels, then upgrade suspension, Oops over boosted, need a new engine, etc, etc. Next thing you know you have a $60,000 RX-8. I am all for it.

Yeah I thinks it pretty much testing just to see if the engine can handle it. Im still working on other pics, but things are crazy around here lately.

Anyway, 50hp is nothing to shake a stick at thats for sure. HELL I would take 50hp more hehe for my FD

JT

Anyway, 50hp is nothing to shake a stick at thats for sure. HELL I would take 50hp more hehe for my FD

Well yeah, there have been millllions of posts about 9hp. Talking about 50hp is much more enjoyable.

$4,000 + 10mm + 12mm socket + weekend = 50hp???

scans...

There most definitely is an intercooler involved with this Trust/GReddy set-up...

BTW, JT... send out those winkers, already! ;)

Originally posted by 1stRX8


Well yeah, there have been millllions of posts about 9hp. Talking about 50hp is much more enjoyable.

$4,000 + 10mm + 12mm socket + weekend = 50hp???

Figure it this way:

Mazda HP values = ($500+Maint @ app. $650 / 9) This equates to roughly $128.00/HP.

Given 50 HP, then the value of the turbo kit would be ($128 x 50HP = $6400.00)

Not too shabby if you ask me. But!!!! It would have to be a much cleaner installation than what they currently have going on under that hood.

shawrf1--Leaving in the morning. They just got in. Mazda has them on backorder 2 weeks at least.

I HAVE THAT MAGAZINE TOO HAHAHAHA


Magnesium--Of course it will be cleaner then the pictures. This totally looks like a prototype.. Mostly the kit looks good IMHO, just they got a lot of wires laying around right now....

I wouldn't be surprised if they're using the E-manage to tune the fuel curve. Greddy's latest Civic turbo kit comes with a preprogrammed E-manage.

Dale

Originally posted by shawrf1
There most definitely is an intercooler involved with this Trust/GReddy set-up...

BTW, JT... send out those winkers, already! ;)

The "intercooler" shown is right were the radiator is. Are we sure that is an intercooler and not the radiator? Does it say so in the Japanese text?

Also what does the "40%" mean shown in the scans. Does that mean 40% more power or does it mean the kit is 40% complete at this point?

-Mr. Wigggles

not many stock radiators have metal endtanks, unless that radiator is also aftermarket. Sure looks like an intercooler, IMHO.

The radiator leans way forward like the 3rd gen RX-7's do. The piece in that picture is vertical but there is a slight view of one leaning behind it. None of the other pictures show the front of the car which is where an intercooler would be if it is in fact there. Greddy is very proud of their intercoolers and you can bet they installed one. The 3rd gen RX-7 had an intercooler in the engine bay and so does many other cars but the aftermarket tends to put them where they belong, in the airstream in the front of the car. Where would you put one?

Originally posted by MrWigggles


The "intercooler" shown is right were the radiator is. Are we sure that is an intercooler and not the radiator? Does it say so in the Japanese text?

Also what does the "40%" mean shown in the scans. Does that mean 40% more power or does it mean the kit is 40% complete at this point?

-Mr. Wigggles

I don't know the word intercooler in japanese text but it does say "front mounted"

40% was refering to the prototype completion. it also said "Release date undetermined"

Originally posted by Jt-Imports
I have your BLA BLA right here.




did you by any chance 'copy and paste' this pics u posted? or youe work apears in the 'japanesse' magazines?:mad:

If you have issues with someone, please use the Private Message feature. The last thing we want in this thread is drama.

Back on topic:
TerenceT: Can you translate anymore of that scanned article? Let me know if you need a better scan...

Originally posted by U. N. O.





did you by any chance 'copy and paste' this pics u posted? or youe work apears in the 'japanesse' magazines?:mad:

Please go back to eating your crow. You still have a few more courses left.

-Mr. Wigggles

sorry, that's all i know cuz i was looking at the chinese characters (kenji) instead of the japanese

ALL HALE U. N. O., HE hit the nail on the head, dont you guys remember at the begining of the thread where I said "Hey look at my turbo kit", "Hey come look at the pictures I took"

If your going to make statements make sure you can back them up.

Just like shawrf1 said we can take it to PMs to keep it clean around here.

Anyway back to the article, I can get it all translated I think. Well the major parts of it, but I need like a day or two.

Showing this turbo kit in no way helps me, this was info for you guys, I dont even have a RX8.. The RX8 guys seemed a little depressed so this is the current info I have. This weekend since I have more time, I plan to talk to TRUST for more pics, and HKS to see if they are in fact making a turbo kit. HKS guy was by the shop I work at in my spare time, but I was in a hurry to get to the gym hehe

there isn't an intercooler in there yet. it says that they plan on putting one on though.

Moki,

That explains the 50HP. Intercool it and we are talking at least 75HP with slightly more boost. Oh, yeah.

-Mr. Wigggles

thanks jt for taking the time to post pics

I'm interested in the amount of boost they will run and, more critcally, the amount of boost that becomes detrimental to the engine.

Towards the beginning of this thread there was mention of "0.4 kg" of boost, which is a garbage claim because the units are incorrect. Boost is measured in pressure, requiring a unit of force per unit of area ("pounds per square inch", "Newtons per square meter", "kilograms per square centimeter", etc.).

Does anyone have any expectations of what boost levels are safe? What did the last generation RX7 tuners get away with?

mikeB--No problem

Notdeafyet--Well next time I get my computer to make a small 2, I will be sure to put it up there. Everyone else understood but you.

Last generation RX7 would be the FD and safe levels have been about 1.2kg....OOOOO Dont let me forget the "2" so 1.2KG2

Still wrong Jt, you're not missing a "small 2" -- you now seem to think that pressure can be measured in square kilograms? Force squared?!

Once again I shall attempt to selflessly pass you a tiny piece of education: you need a unit of FORCE PER UNIT OF AREA (force/distance^2) to express pressure.

Jt -- when you're ignorant, don't flaunt it.

Grow the F up people!

Originally posted by rotarygod
Grow the F up people!


yeah, no kidding... :o

Originally posted by Jt-Imports
ALL HALE U. N. O., HE hit the nail on the head, dont you guys remember at the begining of the thread where I said "Hey look at my turbo kit", "Hey come look at the pictures I took"

If your going to make statements make sure you can back them up.

Just like shawrf1 said we can take it to PMs to keep it clean around here.

Anyway back to the article, I can get it all translated I think. Well the major parts of it, but I need like a day or two.

Showing this turbo kit in no way helps me, this was info for you guys, I dont even have a RX8.. The RX8 guys seemed a little depressed so this is the current info I have. This weekend since I have more time, I plan to talk to TRUST for more pics, and HKS to see if they are in fact making a turbo kit. HKS guy was by the shop I work at in my spare time, but I was in a hurry to get to the gym hehe


so yeah your turbo kit and u don't even own an 8 .. get a grip man.. be clear not childish



by all means i am all about a turbo, but FACTS is what rules and thats all i was looking for , and still am

Originally posted by MrWigggles


Please go back to eating your crow. You still have a few more courses left.

-Mr. Wigggles



now, now "mr." wigggles, lets keep it clean here, i too have interest on a turbo as well as other performance parts .. if we are going to get personal and nasty i will tell you to not be jelaous and don't worry, i will safe you some of my s***t for dessert. but i will keep it politically clean and no go off the topic and so now that you have proof to be disrespectful, please keep any futher comments to yourself about me and my opinions and sayings. afterall we are in a gown-ups forum right?

U. N. O.----Keep it clean huh? And what do you call what you just posted to MR.W, ??? Is that clean?

Read my post again...

If you dont like the info I give, dont read it. There are plenty more thread to go talk SHITE in.

Oh. I thought this thread was for turbos. Can anyone suggest a thread about turbos?

1stRX8--Yeah I hear you man.

Well this was suppose to be for information, but I think the thread got lost somewhere between how much everyone knows about a car that just came out, and how much boost they are running on this kit.

I figure this thread will die, and we I get the pics and information from Trust about their set-up in more detail and also talk to HKS about if they are doing something then I will post all that up for you guys.

JT Imports: Please check your Private Msgs... Thanks.