what do you guys think


I think arvolski and ortiz will win


i cant believe arlovski lost in ufc 59

I think that arlovski was paid to fall for that fight. I mean, this is supposedly sylvia's last career fight, so maybe they wanted to make a few more bucks off of him before he left. And the tito and shamrock fight..hmmmm this is pretty obvious, unless! tito makes a mistake ken can capitalize on that..but who knows..

Did you guys watch this seasons ultimate fighter? At first I was pro Shamrock. Ortiz just seemed to come off like a D/<K. But he changed my thoughts as the season progressed and I feel very sorry for Shamrock. As X said if Tito makes a mistake then maybe Shamrock will win. As for Silvia and Arlovski, Arlovski hands down.

If Shamrock is training the way he "trained" those kids in the Ultimate Fighter, he is gonna get monkey stomped... again. I also agree with Arlovski over Silvia.

For the credibility of the UFC Heavyweight Belt, I hope Arlovsky wins.

Did anyone check out Pride's PPV this past weekend? Wand is a freaking monster, he destroyed fujita. I would pay anything to watch him tear Chuck a new one.

Silva will be at UFC 61. It was posted on some other fight websites.

These fighters really need to fight in other organizations a bit... It's getting boring to see the same people fight each other.

Imagine if Gomi, Mirko, Nog's, Silva, and of course Fedor had a chance to take on the UFC peeps like BJ, Hughes, Franklin, Arlovski, Liddell...

Tito by KO in first round.
Arlovski by submission in first found.

Doesnt matter who wins the heavyweight belt, Monson is taking this undercard bout and is getting a tittle shot. Hes small (Hieght) but he can take down and submit either of those guys

Man I can't wait to watch the Ortiz vs. Shamrock fight. Those two are what got me into UFC. That and being really into Kenpo at the time. But anyway, I feel the same way as Bangadrum. If I hadn't watched the latest season, I'd be rooting for Shamrock. Tito's a cocky punk. However, now I realize that Ken's an arrogant bastard, and Tito might have grown up some. I'm not sure who to pull for now.

However almost certainly Ortiz is going to win.

Did anyone check out Pride's PPV this past weekend? Wand is a freaking monster, he destroyed fujita. I would pay anything to watch him tear Chuck a new one.

I saw it !!! That fight was BAD A$$... that's what I love about Pride full efin contact. That was probably one of the best fights I've seen--open weight, 205 vs 245...Silva stompped on that guy. I think the next one is coming to Las Vegas...

Silva will be at UFC 61. It was posted on some other fight websites.

These fighters really need to fight in other organizations a bit... It's getting boring to see the same people fight each other.

Imagine if Gomi, Mirko, Nog's, Silva, and of course Fedor had a chance to take on the UFC peeps like BJ, Hughes, Franklin, Arlovski, Liddell...

Tito by KO in first round.
Arlovski by submission in first found.

Penn has fought in different orgs---K-1 and Pride... not sure of the other fighters but I think the majority of them have.

I saw it !!! That fight was BAD A$$... that's what I love about Pride full efin contact. That was probably one of the best fights I've seen--open weight, 205 vs 245...Silva stompped on that guy. I think the next one is coming to Las Vegas...

Honestly, I think the open weight sucks, and the UFC was right to move away from that. With regards to this event, I'm gonna order it on PPV and I'm hoping that the fights aren't short like the last arlovsky/silvia fight. Had I ordered that PPV I woulda been pissed!

But my predicitons: Ortiz by KO, 2nd round -- Silvia by KO...

Did anyone see Shamrock fight Franklin? That was just ugly...

Penn has fought in different orgs---K-1 and Pride... not sure of the other fighters but I think the majority of them have.

Ya, I've followed his career... but BJ hasn't taken on many of the Pride peoples. He left to K1 before ever warring the other pride guys.

Ken Glamrock should never ever throw those high kicks like he did with Franklin, what was he thinking... he "never" threw high kicks in any of his previous fights, even when he was younger/more agile he never threw them. Hope he doesn't do the same this time around.

This is a gimme fight to setup the fight Tito vs. Liddell..

tito and liddell again! haha that would be awsome, liddell hasn't fought in a while, hopefully his beer belly hasn't grown too much. I've slowly been getting into pride and i like it much better. I've rented all the dvd'd from 2003- and up (trying to grasp the history of it) and these guys are f#cking hard core.

I like shamrock but I think he is too old. Tito should win the fight.

I think Arlovski took a dive on the last fight in order to setup a 3rd match ($$$).

Arlovski should win the fight.

I hope Frank Mir wins his fight, he came back too soon from his motorcycle accident.

Honestly, I think the open weight sucks, and the UFC was right to move away from that. With regards to this event, I'm gonna order it on PPV and I'm hoping that the fights aren't short like the last arlovsky/silvia fight. Had I ordered that PPV I woulda been pissed!

But my predicitons: Ortiz by KO, 2nd round -- Silvia by KO...

Did anyone see Shamrock fight Franklin? That was just ugly...
sylvia by KO? how do you figure?

i guess most of us are on the same page
im still cant believe gracie got his head pounded in LOL

61? OK I know it hasn't been around for 61 years, how many of these things do they hold in a year?

porbably like 5-6 a year? haha

They're doing one almost every month, reminds me of the old WWF PPV trick...

My Predictions:

- Arlovski by KO in 2nd ruond

- Shamrock by submission in 2nd round.

sylvia by KO? how do you figure?

Not to sound like a UFC commercial, but I figure because that man has some vicious striking power!!! He won the last fight on a stoppage due to strikes after knocking arlovsky to the ground WHILE HE WAS DAZED BY A SHOT ARLOVSKY CAUGHT HIM WITH!!:rock: :Eyecrazy:

I didn't see the first fight, but from what I've gathered, I don't forsee him getting caught in a submission again...

This should be a close one. Hard to agaginst either

They're doing one almost every month, reminds me of the old WWF PPV trick...

My Predictions:

- Arlovski by KO in 2nd ruond

- Shamrock by submission in 2nd round.

Wow... Shamrock by submission? Interesting prediction...

BetEagle.com has released the odds for UFC 61, which will take place this Saturday, July 8th.

Here's how the oddsmakers have broken down the fights on this event, with the favorite in each fight being listed above the underdog in this article. The main card of this event will air live on pay-per-view.

Also, BetEagle.com is having a UFC 61 prediction contest with prizes, and you can learn more about it by clicking here: http://www.beteagle.com/promotion/new_beteagle_gifts.html

UFC 61
Saturday, July 8th

Tito Ortiz -500
Ken Shamrock +375
-Tito Ortiz is a gigantic favorite in this fight, which should come as a surprise to no one. The line on Ortiz is -500, which means that one would have to bet $500 in order to win $100 on Ortiz. Shamrock is the heavy underdog at +375, which means that one would have to bet $100 in order to win $375 on Shamrock. Based purely on the odds, this is one of the most lopsided fights in recent UFC history.

Andrei Arlovski -280
Tim Sylvia +220
-Despite the fact that Andrei Arlovski just got knocked out by Tim Sylvia in April, Arlovski opens as a moderately big favorite. Sylvia also opened as the underdog in his fight against Tre Telligman last year, so he is used to winning fights that he's not favored to win.

Frank Mir -280
Dan Christison +220
-Frank Mir opens as the favorite against Dan Christison. Mir lost his last fight (against Marcio "Pe de Pano" Cruz"), while Christison won his last fight (against Brad Imes), but Mir has more big wins in his past than Christison has in his past.

Josh Burkman -115
Josh Neer -115
-This fight opens even, with no favorite and no underdog. Josh Burkman is a former TUF 2 contestant whose last fight was a loss to Jon Fitch, while Josh Neer's last fight was a victory over TUF 3 winner Joe Stevenson.

Yves Edwards -275
Joe Stevenson +215
-Yves Edwards opens as the favorite against Joe Stevenson in this battle of talented fighters who each recorded a loss in their last UFC outing. Stevenson is moving down in weight from 170 to 155. One might think that this is a "must-win" for Stevenson, but it's actually more of a "must-win" for Edwards than it is for Stevenson, given the fact that there's no way the UFC would want the bad PR that would come from releasing a TUF winner.

Drew Fickett -160
Kurt Pellegrino +130
-Drew Fickett opens as the favorite in this fight, but not by very much. Fickett's last fight in the UFC was a loss to Josh Neer, and his two prior UFC fights were victories against Josh Koscheck and Josh Neer. Having now fought all of the fighters named Josh in the UFC's welterweight division, Fickett has now been matched up against the debuting Kurt Pellegrino, who is only a slight underdog in this fight.

Jeff Monson -800
Anthony Perosh +500
-With the unexpected result in Arlovski vs. Sylvia II, Jeff Monson went from "Your next fight is for the title" to "Your next fight is a prelim fight." Monson is a huge favorite in this fight against the debuting Anthony Perosh.

Cheick Kongo -125
Gilbert Aldana -115
-The odds for this heavyweight fight are almost even, with Cheick Kongo just barely opening as the favorite over Gilbert Aldana.

Hermes Franca vs. Joe Jordan: No Odds Yet

also look whats coming up (for those who do not yet know)
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/2328-UFC62.jpg

shamrock is 42 and old just like gracie
believe i thought gracie was gonna win but that was just stupid
i think shamrock is just old now

arvolski and silvia are gonna try to kill each other just like in ufc 59

i dont think arvolski will blow it again

Am I the only one that thinks that that article makes it seem as though only the arlovsky/sylvia and ortiz/shamrock fights will be shown on the PPV...?

Maybe I'm imagining things...

Here is the whole card. http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=195

Atleast 5 fights will be shown, the rest will depend on time.

Some random info for ya...

Ken Shamrock lost the last two fights he's had... one to Sakuraba, and the other to Franklin. Most of his losses are by KO/TKO. Tito has lethal striking damage.

Tito Ortiz - Wins usually by Decision... because he pushes the action. Only 1 Lost ever by submission... this guy is not going to give up with a silly choke.

Arlovski - Quick hands.. he's known to KO people. Sambo - great Defensive stance... same as Fedor's background...hmmm...

Sylvia - Tough striker... KO power. VERY sad on the floor. He has almost no ground game. If Arlovski really wants to punish Sylvia, take him to the ground and pound on his ass.

Not to sound like a UFC commercial, but I figure because that man has some vicious striking power!!! He won the last fight on a stoppage due to strikes after knocking arlovsky to the ground WHILE HE WAS DAZED BY A SHOT ARLOVSKY CAUGHT HIM WITH!!:rock: :Eyecrazy:

I didn't see the first fight, but from what I've gathered, I don't forsee him getting caught in a submission again...

This should be a close one. Hard to agaginst either

Sylvia doesn't have a vicious striking power, Arlovsky went down because he has a glass chin. CroCop, Wand, Mark Hunt, and Chuck, now those guys have amazing stand ups.

Sylvia doesn't have a vicious striking power, Arlovsky went down because he has a glass chin. CroCop, Wand, Mark Hunt, and Chuck, now those guys have amazing stand ups.

While his chin may be in question, and those others that u mentioned certainly do have great stand up, Sylvia's knockouts ALWAYS look extremely vicious. I doubt everyone he's knocked out has a glass jaw, but I can't name names so I could be wrong...

Silva will be at UFC 61. It was posted on some other fight websites.

These fighters really need to fight in other organizations a bit... It's getting boring to see the same people fight each other.

Imagine if Gomi, Mirko, Nog's, Silva, and of course Fedor had a chance to take on the UFC peeps like BJ, Hughes, Franklin, Arlovski, Liddell...

Tito by KO in first round.
Arlovski by submission in first found.

The main reason that UFC hasn't attracted the better MMA fighters is money. They need to dish out the dough for fighters like Rampage (who destroyed Chuck) and Ryoto Machida (the only person to beat Franklin). At one point both of these guys did not have a contract with any organization. If they want to compete with PRIDE they're going to need fighters who are at a higher level, but they need to show them the money.

Sylvia doesn't have a vicious striking power, Arlovsky went down because he has a glass chin. CroCop, Wand, Mark Hunt, and Chuck, now those guys have amazing stand ups.

Don't forget Iron Head - Fujita !!! That dude has taken some kicks in the face with no show of slowing down.

Don't forget Iron Head - Fujita !!! That dude has taken some kicks in the face with no show of slowing down.

Fujita's strike is not really world class, but that man can take a beating. He took some ridiculous shots from Fedor and if Fedor didn't choke him out, that fight would have continued. In his last fight with Wand, I've never seen anyone take so many hard shots to the head and remain conscious. It was so painful watching it and I think Wand was getting tired from punching him so many times.

my predictions:

Tito vs Ken = Tito Ortiz with 3rd round unanimous decision

Tim vs Arlovski= Arlovski in the 1st round 2 mins by way of KO.

i think your right^^^

i hope so, im going to have a pool tommorow at my house.haha

Anyone see the Blind Date episode with Tim Syliva? It's not in you tube any more but all his date talked about was how she wanted to get shit faced. Tim was actually a real gentleman the whole time, but his date was such a lush. I think the way he's portrayed in the UFC makes him look like an ass, but he seems like a reall chill guy.

Man, on paper, it's tito by brutal decision, and AA by KO in the 1st.

However, i've been hearing from multiple sources that tito isn't quite up to the level he once was. Guys who have been at his recent training camps have been dogging him a bit...i've never really heard something like this before. It has me a bit worried.

Also, AA has been something of a no-show at his boxing gym(Jabb) since his last loss, and i hear he hasn't been seen at his BJJ(Pow) gym either...perhaphs he's training more privately. Perhaps he's at another gym(I hear he switched to WC boxing)...either way, i hope he hasn't lost his drive. I can't stand that TS is champ.

*Hopefully AA didn't quit training and is up in the mountains, all alone, training like a shaolin monk, punching trees, headbutting bison and submitting bears or something of the like, haha*

Man, how much BS was that??? I feel cheated!!!

Wow... the annoucement didn't sound so enthusiastic... almost like the UFC people had no clue who Wanderlei Silva was... dang!

Silva vs. Liddell... can't wait.. now that's a REAL fight I want to see. War Silva!

tito ortiz owned shamrock

i cant believe arovoski blew it
he just wasnt the same

In terms of the fights, that was a really lame PPV. But I can't believe there will be a UFC vs Pride event in November!!! Chuck (if he gets past babalu) vs Wand!!! This will be the most anticipated fight in MMA history. Fedor vs Sylvia will be pretty exciting also but I think the outcome of that fight will be more predictable since Fedor is just not human.

Wow... the annoucement didn't sound so enthusiastic... almost like the UFC people had no clue who Wanderlei Silva was... dang!

Silva vs. Liddell... can't wait.. now that's a REAL fight I want to see. War Silva!

I don't think they did know just who WS was!!!!! Posers, everyone there!

Does this mean we might see the 2nd most anticipated crossover fight too?

Franklin vs Hendo?

SICK!

If you told me yesterday this was going to happen, i'd have called bullshit, then called you an idiot, haha...thanks to dana for making me eat my words!

P.S. That was the lamest PPV in recent memory...AA sucks...

Fedor vs Franklin & Hughes... One vs. Two fight. That way it's a bit more fair for UFC.

Fedor vs Franklin & Hughes... One vs. Two fight. That way it's a bit more fair for UFC.

HAHA, good to see there are other pride lovers out there...most of the US drinks the UFC's kool aid...

Can't really say Shamrock got owned, he ran out blindly against Tito in a pathetic attempt to surprise him and hurt him early. Tito kept a cool head and bashed him good with some elbows ending the fight rather quickly with little visible damage to Shamrock. It was quick and effective, yet nothing like the beating he gave Shamrock the first fight. That was getting owned. AA was effective the first three rounds. but as they commented he stopped the leg kicks. Why? who knows because he was crippling Tim with those blows. At one point he hit Tim so hard that Tim was barely able to side step afterwards. I think he was fearful of being knocked out and tried to win by playing it safe with some quick punches. That doesn't end well when the other guy has a longer reach. Sigh... oh well

Nah, Shamrock was defenseless against Tito. After that elbow, he just went limp. He didn't protect himself at all against the next 4-5 elbows that Tito threw.

The heavyweight division for the UFC is terrible. I though Arlovski was going going to pound Sylvia this time, or at least get him to the groud & break something, but just standing up with him the whole fight was terrible. What was he thinking ? His leg kicks were working too. Have no idea who was coaching him, but they should be shot. Syvia is a very average fighter at best. Absolutely no movement. If he went up against Crocop, he would have his leg snapped in about 5 sec. flat, or against Fedor he would be put on the ground & beaten in no time flat. The UFC's toughest division is easily welterweight & middleweight, if Hughes is indeed moving up. Heavyweight, lightweight are easily Pride. The light heavyweight division right now is debatable with Jackson leaving Pride.

REVISION : Just saw on Sherdog that Arlovski might have gotten a knee injury in the 2nd round on a Sylvia kick that basically kept him from throwing kicks & going for takedowns.

Also, really disappointed in Frank Mir. Looked like he was in terrible shape. There was a time when I thought he was going to be a long standing heavyweight champion. Has the technical part, speed, etc. Just can't keep himself in physical shape, & has huge stamina issues. I know he got in a horrific motorcycle accident, but he has had enough time to get himself back into shape.

Watching that the Arlovski fight, I just lost so much respect for the guy. He's completely dropped off my top HW list. Not anything to do with technical skill or athleticism though. He obviously has that in spades. What he doesn't have is fight sense. After I watched that fight I realized that either this was a major fluke, he got some horrible advice from his corner, or he's like Randleman... he's just a "dumb" fighter.

Anyone just hearing both fighter's backgrounds and looking at both fighter's records and fights would come to this conclusion: Take Sylvia down. Sylvia's lost only a couple of times and they were by submission. Sylvia's taken some insanely hard shots to the head and stayed conscious. In fact the last fight they had, Arlovski whacked Sylvia VERY hard, Sylvia not only got back on his feet, but threw a weak counter punch which floored Arlovski.

So any one with ANY sense would think "my game plan is to trade some blows as a set up to take him down and submit or G&P him." Arlovski? "my game plan is to go into a jabbing war with someone with more reach and a far better chin." Ugh, what a dumb arse. I don't really buy the knee injury excuse because Arlovski didn't even attempt or fake a single take down the first round either.

And I think it's retarded that Sylvia would call Fedor a "little shit". Fedor would destroy him. Crocop would destroy him too.

I wanna see Monson choke Silvia out. :rock:

Watching that the Arlovski fight, I just lost so much respect for the guy. He's completely dropped off my top HW list. Not anything to do with technical skill or athleticism though. He obviously has that in spades. What he doesn't have is fight sense. After I watched that fight I realized that either this was a major fluke, he got some horrible advice from his corner, or he's like Randleman... he's just a "dumb" fighter.

Anyone just hearing both fighter's backgrounds and looking at both fighter's records and fights would come to this conclusion: Take Sylvia down. Sylvia's lost only a couple of times and they were by submission. Sylvia's taken some insanely hard shots to the head and stayed conscious. In fact the last fight they had, Arlovski whacked Sylvia VERY hard, Sylvia not only got back on his feet, but threw a weak counter punch which floored Arlovski.

So any one with ANY sense would think "my game plan is to trade some blows as a set up to take him down and submit or G&P him." Arlovski? "my game plan is to go into a jabbing war with someone with more reach and a far better chin." Ugh, what a dumb arse. I don't really buy the knee injury excuse because Arlovski didn't even attempt or fake a single take down the first round either.

And I think it's retarded that Sylvia would call Fedor a "little shit". Fedor would destroy him. Crocop would destroy him too.

You might have missed this part of my post above :

"REVISION : Just saw on Sherdog that Arlovski might have gotten a knee injury in the 2nd round on a Sylvia kick that basically kept him from throwing kicks & going for takedowns."

I think a more fair match for Sylvia is Zulu. He's going to have to prove himself first before stepping on the same ring as Fedor or Crocop.

You might have missed this part of my post above :

"REVISION : Just saw on Sherdog that Arlovski might have gotten a knee injury in the 2nd round on a Sylvia kick that basically kept him from throwing kicks & going for takedowns."
No, I saw it. :)

As I said earlier...I don't really buy the knee injury excuse because Arlovski didn't even attempt or fake a single take down the first round either.
Even if he had the injury the second round, he didn't attempt or fake one the entire first round. I had him ahead the first round, but not decisively so. He didn't land any stunning hits the first round and he's much easier to KO than Sylvia. Even if he thinks he can win against Sylvia when Sylvia's fighting his best game (a standup brawl), he should've at least faked or done some takedowns to losen Sylvia up. If someone is being overly careful of takedowns, it'll weaken his stand up game some.

I wanna see Monson choke Silvia out. :rock:
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If Monson can get him to the ground (and past Silva's HUGE reach advantage), this fight will end in a submission.

Yeah for something like that big ass, he would need to shoot for a leg and lift it hard and fast!

Yeah, but he stopped his leg kicks very abruptly. He was throwing about 5-10 a round, then he stopped. I think the leg injury was legit.

i just rented ufc 1 and 2 for fun last night
this sport has come so far
it was so funny to watch gracie just own people cuz they had no idea about jiu jitsu

does anyohe know how many ufc's gracie won in a row
and where can you buy these dvds
ufc's webiste sells some but not all ufc's

i just rented ufc 1 and 2 for fun last night
this sport has come so far
it was so funny to watch gracie just own people cuz they had no idea about jiu jitsu

does anyohe know how many ufc's gracie won in a row
and where can you buy these dvds
ufc's webiste sells some but not all ufc's

I think Royce won 1, 2, and 3. In the fourth one him and Kimo had that marathon match that he won but he was too exhausted to fight in the next round.

Here's all of Gracie's fights:

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=19

That was awesome in the early UFCs when he'd own guys who had > 100 lbs on him.

Yeah, but he stopped his leg kicks very abruptly. He was throwing about 5-10 a round, then he stopped. I think the leg injury was legit.

Funny, in the post interview they asked TS about the kicks...he said something like "Yeah, the solution to those is to turn the knee in and check them."

Interesting how casually he answered...that was probably what won him the fight!

TS is a physical doofus but well trained.
AA is a physical marvel but poorly trained.

i just rented ufc 1 and 2 for fun last night
this sport has come so far
it was so funny to watch gracie just own people cuz they had no idea about jiu jitsu

does anyohe know how many ufc's gracie won in a row
and where can you buy these dvds
ufc's webiste sells some but not all ufc's
PC DVD burners rule :boink: