Do you guys want links for other car sites that are talking about your cars in the forums, or would you rather not hear what owners of other cars are saying? There's a couple discussions going on at other boards I visit, so let me know and I'll get some links up.

Ike

Links please....thank you

I will not look kindly upon anyone who goes and stirs up a mess of trouble somewhere, causing me to have to wade through another pile of troll vomit on this forum.

---jps

Not a big fan of this site but go sucked into it with all the misinformation going on with the WRX, a lot of the people on that site have blind faith in their VWs and think are the greatest cars ever.

http://www.club18t.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7768&perpage=15&pagenumber=1


My home site, a great group of guys, and a majority of the people on there have a great knowledge of cars and respect all cars. Keep in mind this section of the site is a street racing area, so please don't jump in and start talking about street racing is bad blah blah blah...

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34380&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Not a big fan of this site but go sucked into it with all the misinformation going on with the WRX, a lot of the people on that site have blind faith in their VWs and think are the greatest cars ever.


that's seems pretty typical of most forums, we have some real zealots here too.

Yep, it seems the more gearheads you have the more they respect other cars and what they can do (I think that's why the WRX site I'm in is so great), when it's just a site for a new hyped up car and people getting info about their new cars there are less people that know what others cars are capable of. There are some serious trashings of RX-8s on other sites that are just filled with bashing and lack of knowledge but I left those out.

Ike

I personally don't care about their opinions. :)

IkeWRX I respect your intentions, but like Sputnik said, linking to our and others forums creates more issues than it solves. This forum has remained clean of such flame garbage, and we intend to keep it so.

Ummm it's not some secret portal that lets all the baddies in... You can click and read if you want, if you don't care about what others are saying then don't click. I'm not linking other people to this site, just linking you to discussions on other sites, some people might actually value others opinions or at least are curious about them.

I'll tell you right now if any of you signed up to WRX.net you would be welcomed with open arms, we have a few trolls here and there but mostly the people that don't own WRXs there are there because they don't like the flaming and trashing on the other boards. We even have local meets and it's rare when we don't have some guy without a WRX and some other import. So many of these boards look upon anyone that enters the site without the car as the enemy, and that's what can really cause problems, please don't be one of those sites.


Ike


P.S. If you really thinks it's such a big problem then delete the thread... I thought some people here would want to see, I didn't make the post for me own good nor with any bad intentions.

nice to see what others say.. but one thing that sux about these forums is basically

a VW forum will have people saying VWs are the best cars ever made, Honda forum will say hondas are the best and then even worse crap like an Civic SI forum where people believe the SI is god's gifts to the automobile. And it gets worse as u get into the more expensive car forums like Porchse, Vipers etc..

I dont think any one car is the greatest , each car is special in its own way.

i know an Evo would rip my RX-8 on the road, yet i picked the RX-8 because it appealed to me more then the Evo and it makes me happy. Many (not all) would say Engine-wise EVO is a better choice, and Many (once again not all) would say Aesthically go RX-8. It comes down to what u prefer and what makes ya happy.

Having a car is like Religon no need to force ur likin on others. what ever u like more power to you.. Wanna Rice ur Ride go nutz.. go put a Supra Spoiler on a Del Sol if u like it .. go u (please just dont drive next to me) hehe

anyway thats my 2 pennies..

but it is always interesting to see what others w/o knowledge have to say

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ummm it's not some secret portal that lets all the baddies in... You can click and read if you want, if you don't care about what others are saying then don't click. I'm not linking other people to this site, just linking you to discussions on other sites, some people might actually value others opinions or at least are curious about them.

....... So many of these boards look upon anyone that enters the site without the car as the enemy, and that's what can really cause problems, please don't be one of those sites.


Ike


P.S. If you really thinks it's such a big problem then delete the thread... I thought some people here would want to see, I didn't make the post for me own good nor with any bad intentions.

I personally, appreciate the help in expanding my knowledge when someone offers to show me something I didn't know existed / never ran across. Other's opinions are NOT out there to make me angry, but a (short) walk in someone else's shoes can be interesting, and a real discovery process. I like that.

Dear Moderator and Administrator, I appreciate you not wanting to wade through more stuff, but with your curt, brief comments, I suddenly feel like you want to keep us at home, not expose us to the big bad outside world, lest we start thinking too much. Makes me wonder have I missed other things given your feelings re: other sites?

Maybe that is a little stiff, but it's only links after all, like the man says, one can click or not, it isn't opening a portal from another dimension,.. or is it?

PS I DID look, and (although I'm generalizing) thought the WRX board's RX-8 opinions seemingly from a bunch of juvenile street racers kids, the VW site's comments seemed like they came from a nice thoughtful group. Of course I'm referring only to the thread linked into. Thanks much IkeWRX, even though I disagree (oh no) with YOUR opinions from what I read, I'm happy you helped send me there.

What I found interesting about those two links, was that the primary RX8 basher, and misinformation spreader on these threads was IkeWRX. He takes conjecture and discussion from the RX8 site and spreads it as fact on their site. He was spreading BS about times of a few 8's that have run a couple of 1/4 miles. Well Ike I could go around and find numerous WRX that ran 15's and 16's, does that tell you all there is to know about the WRX. But you don't see us posting every 1/4 mile run of the WRX. Because for every good driver and good run, there are two bad drivers and 2 bad runs.

Why don't you take your grandma over to the local Mazda dealer, get her a test drive in an 8, and then time her at a 1/4 mile, this would make a very good post on your WRX board, you could even race her and tell all the speed mongers how you pulled on her. Then get the dozens of congratulatory post of the great wooping you put on an 8. My bet is you would get your granny the auto 8 to ensure your victory.

What would you do do if you met another WRX exactly like yours, do you dare race and ultimately prove one of you a lesser man. My bet is you both act like you did not see each other, and look for the first available turn-off.

Where does your family vacation, Don Garletts racing museum in Ocala Fl.

Your 1/4 mile crap has gotten old, many have humored you hoping you would evolve, but it appears to be your only area of experience.

Shouldn't you be on the streets stalking some unsuspecting fool who bought a car for something other than raw speed. I'll close with an old saying, I hope I get it right. " Those who can, do! Those who can't, race around in little cars until they wrap themselves around a telephone pole."

Wow, I have yet to take my car to the strip, I have driven the RX-8, and I autox my car and prefer a car that handles well to just a fast car. I grew up racing karts and then cars on real race courses, and was not just trolling this board but rather considering the RX-8 as a replacement for my fiance's Altima. I posted what I know of the 1/4 miles that have been run so far with the RX-8 and qualified it with it still being to early to tell, and also based my estimates on how fast the RX-8 was compared to my current car.

When I see other WRXs we wave to one another or honk, sometimes pull over to chat and then go on our merry way, with the ocassional good natured race.

Lastly I qualified the WRX section as the racing kills section and asked people to keep that in mind as they read through it, perhaps it is you that needs to evolve and learn to not open your mouth when it comes to things you have no clue about.

I like the car and never said I didn't in any of my posts, but I'm not going to go around pretending it's perfect even though a selct few on this site would lead one to think it is.

Thank you for the petty insults, you are a gentleman and a scholar.


Ike

DIKWRX wrote
"I like the car and never said I didn't in any of my posts, but I'm not going to go around pretending it's perfect even though a selct few on this site would lead one to think it is.

Thank you for the petty insults, you are a gentleman and a scholar."

Now WRX Fan boy, go and search all your post, you obviously have forgotton all of your vile, shit kickin, macho WRX BS, which will totally show you as a liar in your above statement.

Once you are done then maybe you will understand why my petty insults are perfectly suited for your petty trolling existence on this forum.

You're not worth my time to look through my old posts, show me the parts where I talked about "vile, shit kickin, macho WRX BS". It's your argument, you're the one that needs to back up your baseless statements.

You seem to go around calling anyone without an RX-8 a troll, I registered at this site the same month you did. I did so because I was curious about the car, and perhaps would consider getting one for myself or my fiance at some point. I suppose in June you already had your RX-8 unlike the rest of the country that was still waiting. I don't know why you have such a problem with me, some of my posts are helpful, some are silly, some don't have the greatest things to say about the RX-8 some of them do. I've also defended other cars on this board besides the WRX, I'm no fanboy.

I respect RX-8s and rather like them, as I do many many other cars, however you seem to do nothing but shoot someone down and label them a troll the second they have anything but nice things to say about the RX-8.

You're the type of person that gives certain cars a bad name, I'm happy you did not buy a WRX representing the car considering how poorly you represent yourself in regards to the RX-8.

"DIKWRX" that's rather nice, just goes to show how juvenille your agruments and statements are, when you can have an intelligent debate I'll give you the time of day, til then consider yourself ignored.

Ike

And is all of this really worth insulting people on the internet you don't know from a stranger on the street? Everyone calm down, take a deep breath, and try to act like the stuff you read on the internet doesn't matter in real life (because it doesn't). This is a really stupid subject to get into an argument about. And if it continues much longer, the thread will be closed. So quit it.

Hey guys chill out.

There is no need to get into a huge flame war just because there are some different opinions on this board. What’s said is said and now just leave it in the past.

What is happening here is exactly what Sputnik and Toadman was afraid of. It is a useless flame war that gets nothing accomplished.

Bleh, just lock the thread Cueball, I don't know why this guy has such a problem with me but I don't see the thread turning into anything useful at this stage.

Ike

Heres what you asked for IkeWRX, some of your remarks aimed to anger and destroy good dialogue. Along with your sprinkling of WRX superiority. As if you had to have it fed back to you.

"The dodge engine is certainly more proven than your Renesis, and you guys had better hope it's better than the previous generation Wankel.

RX-8 will get the nod in the aesthetics, but that's what Mazda usually puts out, pretty cars that handle really well and disappoint many people for being underpowered.

I'm starting to have my doubts about the RX-8, give it a couple years and it's not going to be impressive in the least engine wise.

The RX-8 is not so earthshattering in the handling department from what I've heard, it's a good handler, but there are plenty of cars out there that already handle better, and have the potentiel to handle better.

We're talking about a 10k difference here, and on the streets if both cars are properly driven the SRT-4 will hand the RX-8 it's ass. When you line up next to an SRT-4 I dount he nor you will be to concerned about how great your interior is...

I don't think we're all car enthusiasts here, I think there's a lot of RX and rotary fanbois that don't know what the hell they speak of.

I kept thinking if a Saturn (you know, the other car with the suicide doors))and a Tiburon had a child it would look something like an RX-8. Don't take this as an insult, I think the new Tibby is just about one of the best looking cars on the road.

The pedals I swear are in the exact same spots as my WRX, so no complaints there.

It did have the $140 emblem option on the back though, I laughed when I saw that one... Woooo $140 for a cheap piece fo chrome!

I'll warn you guys now, theres a snowballs chance in hell I'm going to like the RX-8 more than the Evo or the STI, but I really don't see them as being competitors, I think they appeal to a very different person. Dare I say, the RX-8 is going to be more appealing to females, and I think Mazda is trying to appeal to more females in general with their car line.

When you can't even come close to beating an S2K you'll be wondering where that extra HP is. I don't mean this as a dig or insult in any way, but if I bought the car and the HP numbers weren't what they were supposed to be I would be pissed,

If you're talking straight line a properly driven S2K will take an RX-8 every time. If you're talking autox I will be amazed if you guys can hang with the S2Ks on a regular basis, hell, I'll trade my WRX in tomorrow if that happens

It's a total niche' car that is going to be sold to fans of Mazda and the rotary engine fans with the ocassional female buyer that thinks the car is just so neat or cute then toss in the people that just fall in love with the looks of the car and that alone is enough for them.

I will be cross shopping it with the S2K, Evo, STI, and 350Z, but I really don't see those as being in the same class as the RX-8.

The WRX is an no frills enthusiasts car as far as I'm concerned. Go to an auto-x, dragstrip, rallyx event and see for your self, most of our modded cars are all go and little show. The ones that do have the show usually have plenty under the hood to back it up."

Taken out of context many of those sound much worse than they really are. You are paraphasing and that is a mistake in logic and does not lend to a cogent argument, but I'll humor you anyhow.


"The dodge engine is certainly more proven than your Renesis, and you guys had better hope it's better than the previous generation Wankel."

Someone was bashing the SRT-4 and saying how the engine was not proven, well neither is the Renesis. It's a fact, it's not, it's a new design!



"RX-8 will get the nod in the aesthetics, but that's what Mazda usually puts out, pretty cars that handle really well and disappoint many people for being underpowered."

"I'm starting to have my doubts about the RX-8, give it a couple years and it's not going to be impressive in the least engine wise."

This is what I really said, nice that you left out the middle part, this was said after someone was bashing the SRT-4, which deserves respect for what it is, many other people agreed.

4.) RX-8 will get the nod in the aesthetics, but that's what Mazda usually puts out, pretty cars that handle really well and disappoint many people for being underpowered. The RX line usually has great power, but I'm starting to have my doubts about the RX-8, give it a couple years and it's not going to be impressive in the least engine wise.






"The RX-8 is not so earthshattering in the handling department from what I've heard, it's a good handler, but there are plenty of cars out there that already handle better, and have the potentiel to handle better."

This is a true statement... doesn't make the RX-8 a bad car in the least, it's a good handler but cars like the Evo, STi, S2K at the same pricepoints handle better. My point was the RX-8 isn't pushing the envelope in the handling department when someone implied it was.



"We're talking about a 10k difference here, and on the streets if both cars are properly driven the SRT-4 will hand the RX-8 it's ass. When you line up next to an SRT-4 I dount he nor you will be to concerned about how great your interior is..."


I was defending a car that was being bashed for no good reason, if I were such a WRX fanboy would I do that. It's also a true statement.



"I don't think we're all car enthusiasts here, I think there's a lot of RX and rotary fanbois that don't know what the hell they speak of."

This was in a thread where there was a lot of misinformation being thrown around... and again I was defending the SRT-4 and the WRX which were being bashed for no good reason. This was mainly in refernce to someone saying the WRX and SRT-4 was maxed out from the factory, which could not be much further from the truth.




"I kept thinking if a Saturn (you know, the other car with the suicide doors))and a Tiburon had a child it would look something like an RX-8. Don't take this as an insult, I think the new Tibby is just about one of the best looking cars on the road."

I was complimenting the RX-8, I think it's beautiful.




"The pedals I swear are in the exact same spots as my WRX, so no complaints there."

Again complimenting the RX-8 and my car at the same time.




"It did have the $140 emblem option on the back though, I laughed when I saw that one... Woooo $140 for a cheap piece fo chrome!"


It's silly they charge so much, sorry....




"I'll warn you guys now, theres a snowballs chance in hell I'm going to like the RX-8 more than the Evo or the STI, but I really don't see them as being competitors, I think they appeal to a very different person. Dare I say, the RX-8 is going to be more appealing to females, and I think Mazda is trying to appeal to more females in general with their car line."

This was meant to qualify my opinions since I was shopping the car for my fiance, I prefer raw power and handling over looks, and that's what I was getting at. I say I don't see them as competitors because they are aimed at a different buyer... The RX-8 is going to appeal to females more than the STi or Evo, it's a prettier car, I was also told by the sales manager at the dealer that Mazda was trying to target more of the female audience for their cars. No shame in that...




"When you can't even come close to beating an S2K you'll be wondering where that extra HP is. I don't mean this as a dig or insult in any way, but if I bought the car and the HP numbers weren't what they were supposed to be I would be pissed,

If you're talking straight line a properly driven S2K will take an RX-8 every time. If you're talking autox I will be amazed if you guys can hang with the S2Ks on a regular basis, hell, I'll trade my WRX in tomorrow if that happens"


Let time be the test with this one, again I'm praising another car, not the WRX, yet I'm the fanboy. Also made the first statement because I was disappointed with the initial dyno results and felt you guys deserved more considering what Mazda was rating the car at.




"It's a total niche' car that is going to be sold to fans of Mazda and the rotary engine fans with the ocassional female buyer that thinks the car is just so neat or cute then toss in the people that just fall in love with the looks of the car and that alone is enough for them."


It is a niche' car, as is the WRX and many other cars I like, I hope it does ell so we can see a MSP version or the RX-7 in the future.


"I will be cross shopping it with the S2K, Evo, STI, and 350Z, but I really don't see those as being in the same class as the RX-8."


This was said in the context that the RX-8 was a different kind of car then those, not that it wasn't as good. This was also stated on the first page of a thread that I started and no one really took offense, it was a very cordial thread. I'm not killing threads here, but starting them.




"The WRX is an no frills enthusiasts car as far as I'm concerned. Go to an auto-x, dragstrip, rallyx event and see for your self, most of our modded cars are all go and little show. The ones that do have the show usually have plenty under the hood to back it up."


This was said after someone implied the WRX was ricey, the following is my whole staement and then the replies after I made them.



"Shift-x, be careful when you use the word ricer along with WRX in any sentence when around me, I can get very mean

The WRX is an no frills enthusiasts car as far as I'm concerned. Go to an auto-x, dragstrip, rallyx event and see for your self, most of our modded cars are all go and little show. The ones that do have the show usually have plenty under the hood to back it up.


Cheers,
Ike

See my ricey WRX below, I regret the bodykit, bit it was the only non red or yellow one left for 100s of miles in a MY03, and I just had to have the bugeyes"



First reply from The Beav:


"werd my dad has a wrx (with several cobb toys) and i like the car alot, but it's more of a rally-x car, and i'm more of an auto-x person"


Second reply from Shift X:

"Sorry about that IKE. Your REX is very nice and not Ricey. I used to love WRXs, but I like something invigorating and refreshing - out of the norm.

It seems to me you value performance over luxury with a Japanese flavor. Go with the car that gets you that. In the 30k range STI or Evo will do you justice."


Third reply from Tweety-nator:


"See IkeWRX, you have just proven my point by posting that picture. The WRX is basically an impreza on steriods. Pure unadulterated power, will out-accelerate, outhandle, outbrake most cars on the road. No denying that.

Just that some folks will not drive the WRX because it looks like an impreza. To each his own. In my opinion, I think the WRX is a fabulous machine that will keep you grinning again and again. I just cant get past the looks.

If there is room for the WRX in our current marketplace, surely there is room for the RX-8. I hope. Only time will tell.

At least, no minivan is going to out-accelerate the RX-8. "


He bashed my car a bit, but also complimented it, my respinse to him was...



"I admit, the WRX is not going to win any beauty contests, and that's sort of what I love about it. And I wouldn't get to confident about the minivan comment, have you seen the Forester XT, PT cruiser GT, or any of the silly turbo caravans before? :p


Ike"










Yep, you caught me, a thread killing troll that does nothing but defend his precious WRX and bash all other cars... Get a life man, surely you must have something better to do than misrepresent someone in a car forum.

Ike

Personally, I've never had a problem with Ike's posts, but this little flame war is starting to irritate.

I'm glad that Ike likes his WRX. I have been having similar discussions with a friend of mine who has always dug shooby-doos. Personally, I've never seen it, but I like the debate. I like lots of cars . . . however, I hate flame wars.

I have spent alot of time in the past seven years posting on usenet in car forums, and I'm telling you that trolls and flame wars are the reason moderated forums were created.

DROP IT! Respect each other and stop attacking other people for their ideas.

Posting a couple of links isn't a problem, but attracting people who are naturally anti-thetical to Mazdas to this forum is going to lead to alot of disruptive noise so don't do it. As for THIS flame war, please Personal message it to eachother. It is not a discussion concerning the RX 8 and it has no place in a public forum.

-H

Any site with a street racing area is not worth clicking to.. It just shows the maturity level of the site members if they tolerate such forum. :rolleyes:

In general you're correct but I've found exceptions. I suppose you've never raced anyone from a stoplight? The street racing forum on the WRX site is nice because there are very few flame wars, people are very knowledgeanle about cars, and we frown upon any racing that is overly dangerous. Highway racing at speeds over well over 100 MPH is frowned upon, as are flybys and racing in traffic.

Compare the WRX vs. The world section to some of the sections in the more notorious RSX or Honda sites and you will see a big difference in the maturity of the posts and what is acceptable when it comes to street racing.

Ike

Haha.. you "frown upon any kind of racing that is overly dangerous" :D Good one.. Is there such thing as a "safe" street race? Huh?
This site doesn't have a street racing forum, neither does the Toronto Prelude one.
FYI, I have never street raced my Prelude since I got it in 2000. But whatever floats your boat... I understand the need for these forums but I dont' agree with them and please don't try to justify the existence of one with such lame explanations as above.

Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
Heres what you asked for IkeWRX,

Actually, I agree pretty much with all of Ike's posts. I own an RX8 and LOVE it. It's not perfect, but nor am I. Thanks for the links Ike.

BTW, I kinda disagree w/ Spin9k. Yeah the WRXies were juvenile street racers, but they know what the were talking about. The VW folks didn't offer much substance. ("...ugly...", "need torque...")

The mods are just concerned with people re-directing over to this forum. And while the crowd here is generally mature, it only takes a few rotten apples to spark a trollish flame war. Setting the world straight as far as misinformation goes, is a task I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy.

People should care about what other forums are saying about as much as their 8 'not having enough low-end torque.'

Originally posted by Quick_lude
Haha.. you "frown upon any kind of racing that is overly dangerous" :D Good one.. Is there such thing as a "safe" street race? Huh?
This site doesn't have a street racing forum, neither does the Toronto Prelude one.
FYI, I have never street raced my Prelude since I got it in 2000. But whatever floats your boat... I understand the need for these forums but I dont' agree with them and please don't try to justify the existence of one with such lame explanations as above.

I never said there was a such thing as safe street racing, but there are certainly situations where you can limit the amount of danger involved. I won't try to justify them with lame explanations if you stop making lame generalizations.

I fully understand people that are against street racing, and have no problem with their views, but last time I checked no one is forcing you to go to them. To call a site not worth clicking on because it has the forum is silly. That site is full of great technical info, maintenance info, lots of fun stuff to buy at great prices, and all forms of sanctioned racing info. Some of the top tuners in the country post on that site as do the top autox, drag racing, Grand Touring drivers and the guys that ran in one lap this past year in their WRXs. In addition that site is much more friendly and free of flames than the other popular WRX sites that don't have a street racing section.

Ike

Heres what you asked for IkeWRX, some of your remarks aimed to anger and destroy good dialogue. Along with your sprinkling of WRX superiority. As if you had to have it fed back to you.

"The dodge engine is certainly more proven than your Renesis, and you guys had better hope it's better than the previous generation Wankel.

RX-8 will get the nod in the aesthetics, but that's what Mazda usually puts out, pretty cars that handle really well and disappoint many people for being underpowered.

I'm starting to have my doubts about the RX-8, give it a couple years and it's not going to be impressive in the least engine wise.

The RX-8 is not so earthshattering in the handling department from what I've heard, it's a good handler, but there are plenty of cars out there that already handle better, and have the potentiel to handle better.

We're talking about a 10k difference here, and on the streets if both cars are properly driven the SRT-4 will hand the RX-8 it's ass. When you line up next to an SRT-4 I dount he nor you will be to concerned about how great your interior is...

I don't think we're all car enthusiasts here, I think there's a lot of RX and rotary fanbois that don't know what the hell they speak of.

I kept thinking if a Saturn (you know, the other car with the suicide doors))and a Tiburon had a child it would look something like an RX-8. Don't take this as an insult, I think the new Tibby is just about one of the best looking cars on the road.

The pedals I swear are in the exact same spots as my WRX, so no complaints there.

It did have the $140 emblem option on the back though, I laughed when I saw that one... Woooo $140 for a cheap piece fo chrome!

I'll warn you guys now, theres a snowballs chance in hell I'm going to like the RX-8 more than the Evo or the STI, but I really don't see them as being competitors, I think they appeal to a very different person. Dare I say, the RX-8 is going to be more appealing to females, and I think Mazda is trying to appeal to more females in general with their car line.

When you can't even come close to beating an S2K you'll be wondering where that extra HP is. I don't mean this as a dig or insult in any way, but if I bought the car and the HP numbers weren't what they were supposed to be I would be pissed,

If you're talking straight line a properly driven S2K will take an RX-8 every time. If you're talking autox I will be amazed if you guys can hang with the S2Ks on a regular basis, hell, I'll trade my WRX in tomorrow if that happens

It's a total niche' car that is going to be sold to fans of Mazda and the rotary engine fans with the ocassional female buyer that thinks the car is just so neat or cute then toss in the people that just fall in love with the looks of the car and that alone is enough for them.

I will be cross shopping it with the S2K, Evo, STI, and 350Z, but I really don't see those as being in the same class as the RX-8.

The WRX is an no frills enthusiasts car as far as I'm concerned. Go to an auto-x, dragstrip, rallyx event and see for your self, most of our modded cars are all go and little show. The ones that do have the show usually have plenty under the hood to back it up."



Look at this point I'm tired of reading this crap, yes I know I don't have too, but your arguement is really lame. These are all good points somewhat based on opinion and NOTHING TO GET IRRITATED about!!! PERIOD. I've owned a suby and I am deeply disappointed at the rx8 in the performance category, it's like I dropped the anchor. All else aside it's not a bad car, and yes in fact I only got it BECAUSE I am a fan of the rotary. If it was a question of a performance car my 8 would still be on the lot where I got it, it sucks, but you know what, every one says... it looks cool.... Sigh, I still can't believe how unbeleiveably slow a strock 8 is, come on, I bet a v6 camry would take it. just plain dissappointing.

WOW!!!
Back from the dead


Thanks noob



BTW - If you are unhappy with your 8 . . . . .. I got 2 things to say

1. You obviously did not do your research
2. Sell it

damn, 5 year old resurrection. crazy

haha, Ike doesn't even have a WRX. This is an epic thread revival.

FAIL.
:rofl:

Man..this is uberly epic! lol...5 years!!!???? Anyone has gone since?

You know, this thread was started just as the people who had pre-ordered in 2003 were taking delivery of their cars. I think that back then it was probably more acceptable to debate the car this way. I was on the board back then waiting for my car, but I can't for life of me remember back that far. Thanks ever so much for bringing this back .

Oh and by the way, you don't get this car, buy something else.

Look at this point I'm tired of reading this crap, yes I know I don't have too, but your arguement is really lame. These are all good points somewhat based on opinion and NOTHING TO GET IRRITATED about!!! PERIOD. I've owned a suby and I am deeply disappointed at the rx8 in the performance category, it's like I dropped the anchor. All else aside it's not a bad car, and yes in fact I only got it BECAUSE I am a fan of the rotary. If it was a question of a performance car my 8 would still be on the lot where I got it, it sucks, but you know what, every one says... it looks cool.... Sigh, I still can't believe how unbeleiveably slow a strock 8 is, come on, I bet a v6 camry would take it. just plain dissappointing.

Drive a 100% stock WRX and tell us the RX-8 has disappointing performance.

I enjoyed the thread revival though.

[QUOTE=RX8-U-UP;98747]What I found interesting about those two links, was that the primary RX8 basher, and misinformation spreader on these threads was IkeWRX.

Why don't you take your grandma over to the local Mazda dealer, get her a test drive in an 8, and then time her at a 1/4 mile, this would make a very good post on your WRX board, you could even race her and tell all the speed mongers how you pulled on her. Then get the dozens of congratulatory post of the great wooping you put on an 8. My bet is you would get your granny the auto 8 to ensure your victory. QUOTE]

If he get's his granny to drive an RX-8 he may not be able to get her out of it..:lol:

.As an offical granny, who has owned and drivern VW productions, I can speak from experience - The 8 is a far more comfortable to drive, more responsive, kinder in the turns, and able to leap tall VWs with a single bound!

If he, or his granny drives, an 8 for two weeks and then has to go back to anything VW, he will be crying to have it back! An 8 spoils you for anything else! Yup a VW can be a quarter horse, but an 8 is a thoroughbred!

WOW!!!
Back from the dead


Thanks noob



BTW - If you are unhappy with your 8 . . . . .. I got 2 things to say

1. You obviously did not do your research
2. Sell it
At least he knows how to search.

Ike mellowed after a while and keep coming here for the comradeship. I haven't heard from him in about a year. Yes, last we heard, he bought an Evo.

A troll in an Evo - yes I can visualize that! :suitdance

Hey Mods I think we found a place for all of that Viagra spam.......:lol:

At least he knows how to search.

Ike mellowed after a while and keep coming here for the comradeship. I haven't heard from him in about a year. Yes, last we heard, he bought an Evo.

He may have found the search button, but I am not sure that finding a thread like this, which had relevance before the car was actually in driver's hands, can be considered "knows" how to search.

Ike was a serious troll at the beginning, but he persevered. I am sorry that he has not been heard from in a year. I had assumed that he was still hanging out in the Lounge.

Hey it made me laugh a bit beinge dead for so long... I just couldn't resist, glad to see some others with a sense of humor :)
Ahem.. as far as research... well no, I didn't do alot, just took for granted I wouldn't be so disappointed. Don't get wrong, which you may have already. There are things about this car that I find great and am going to keep it, I am just starting from stock, HOPING to make it competitive in the autox world.
Moving on.. oh, Yeah okay sell it. No big deal, typical responses.
When I got my Suby it was stock, and would have walked all over this 8, no problem. And with it tuned and some hop-ups, it was a real screamin machine.
Obviously they are in different classes, but for the same money, the WRX all they way on performance.
Oh, BTW, have some patience, I am know to this posting thing, and to the car, maybe I was a little overzealous or something, just don't get cross at me. Maybe some tips on where to start to make it a better performer would help.

Oh nobody is mad at you. It is just silly looking at a thread which debated a car that pretty much no one had seen at the time now that we have all had a chance to live with the car for so long. It is sort of interesting to re-read some of the speculation that went on around the car in 2003.

The reason that I say you don't get the car is because it is a performer. Your understanding of handling is simplistic, and most people underestimate the power of the 8. If you like a WRX better than this, you really are in the wrong car. I once had a WRX try to follow me around a curve. It was laughable. I watched in my rear view mirror as the car leaned over on its wheels then started to slide sideways. It's a rally car. There is no real comparison in the handling department.

Ike was a serious troll at the beginning, but he persevered. I am sorry that he has not been heard from in a year. I had assumed that he was still hanging out in the Lounge.
Ike - Last Activity: 07-27-2008 02:52 AM
Last Post: 07-16-2008, 03:26 AM
It seems his is posting about once a month, certainly not with the frequency that he previously did.

Someone please msg him back to this thread...we need to see his reaction on his threat being revived after 5 yrs...!!! :P haha

You mean we are looking at a troll Zombie?

Ike - Last Activity: 07-27-2008 02:52 AM
Last Post: 07-16-2008, 03:26 AM
It seems his is posting about once a month, certainly not with the frequency that he previously did.


Thanks. That's nice to know in a "the world is still on its axis" kind of way.

Oh nobody is mad at you. It is just silly looking at a thread which debated a car that pretty much no one had seen at the time now that we have all had a chance to live with the car for so long. It is sort of interesting to re-read some of the speculation that went on around the car in 2003.

The reason that I say you don't get the car is because it is a performer. Your understanding of handling is simplistic, and most people underestimate the power of the 8. If you like a WRX better than this, you really are in the wrong car. I once had a WRX try to follow me around a curve. It was laughable. I watched in my rear view mirror as the car leaned over on its wheels then started to slide sideways. It's a rally car. There is no real comparison in the handling department.

Thanks, I am still learning what I need to know, strong points and weaknesses of the car. Obviously handling is a strong point, which I can capitolize on.

AAHHH, okay hold a sec... I had an 06 STI, not a lot of body roll, but some noticeble when pushing hard through the turns, I could easily and repeatably hold .96 g's. But I will say that with a bit softer feel, this 8 doesn't roll that much either, I have yet to test the g's in it though to see for sure before I remark about which is better.

I understand it's supposed to be a performer, I like it, it's why I got it.

My simple understanding...hmm....?

And okay, once had a wrx follow poorly... not a fair comparison for all wrx's, I also once blew away a sportbike in my STI. What's it all mean, well I was faster than him, that's all.

Oh and as far as a rally car, my sti was definately for the street, that's for sure, and if driven aggressively, was a real performer. I don't know about the guy following you, but it was fun, not always the fastest though, to get on boost early to oversteer coming out of a turn, big smiles in a AWD sideways.

Someone please msg him back to this threat...we need to see his reaction on his threat being revived after 5 yrs...!!! :P haha

:uhh: no...

Hey everyone! Quite comical to see this was bumped.

Well, in case anyone is wondering what's going on with me... The Evo is gone as of last week and right now I'm driving my dad's old Magnum RT until I find my next car (he should have given me the SRT-8 and kept the wagon for himself :p). Was going to go Evo X, but as great as it handles I'd need to drop some money into mods right away to make it tolerably quick. Most likely will be picking up an E46 M3 in the next week or so. Just need to find the right color combo and options with lower miles and I'll go pick it up. I'm also considering a CTS-V or S4, but I doubt I'll get anything but the M3 at this point. Not sure if I'll get bored with a luxury GT type car such as the M3, but variety is the spice of life and thought I'd give it a try. I considered an Exige S for a minute, but I just hate the thought of getting a winter car as well. I want to enjoy my car year round in any weather.

Hope all is well with you guys and I'll pop in from time to time.

Ciao,
Ike

IKE! Long time no read.

Forget the Beemer, and buy a CTS V if you can swing it. According to a friend who had a ride in the new V with some test engineers from GM, they claim the real performance numbers are 0-60 in 3.2 and a top speed of 191. It has also set the sedan record on the Nuremburing two minutes faster than any BMW sedan has ever driven it. That's a car.

Ike changes cars more often than most ricers change underwear.

IKE! Long time no read.

Forget the Beemer, and buy a CTS V if you can swing it. According to a friend who had a ride in the new V with some test engineers from GM, they claim the real performance numbers are 0-60 in 3.2 and a top speed of 191. It has also set the sedan record on the Nuremburing two minutes faster than any BMW sedan has ever driven it. That's a car.

The new car is going to be expensive and I'm not going to be the sucker that takes the huge hit on resale with one of them. Right now I could get a low miles '05 CTS-V, supercharge it and fix the awful shifter, and still be 30k shy of the new car. The new car is pretty impressive, but if it deprciates anything like the current V series Caddies you'll be backwards on a loan for a very long time.

I'm having a hell of a time finding the M3 that I want, so not sure what the hell I'm going to do.

P.S. It's Nurburgring. :)

wow its ike. i miss your old avatar the dancing banana.