Why is it the Mazda is ok with the RX8 (supposed halo car) being the 3rd fastest product they have? Now the MS6 and MS3 are going to be more powerful/faster cars then the RX8......that is pathetic.

The only thing I can think of is that due to the few problems the rx-8 has had..they are afraid to release a mazdaspeed version in the US...

I know it's blasphemy to even consider it, but I think it would be sorta cool if the RX-8 was released in a limited production trim (maybe an MS8.5) sporting that 2.3L turbo in the MS3 and MS6. It would be a 350Z eater and production costs would be the same, if not less.

I know it's blasphemy to even consider it, but I think it would be sorta cool if the RX-8 was released in a limited production trim (maybe an MS8.5) sporting that 2.3L turbo in the MS3 and MS6. It would be a 350Z eater and production costs would be the same, if not less.


Not a bad idea.....it could even be called an MX8 for that matter.....of course, I'm not one of the 'rotary rules' crowd. I am even considering a V8 swap into the 8 if I keep it. I would love to hang with a C6 Vette at stop lights (I never go to tracks, so I am not that worried about the weight distribution).

Yeah, the MS3 is what the MSP should have been!

Things like the MS3 and MS6 makes you wonder...

number racers always lose in the end.

A FWD 260hp car is not going to be as fast as you think, although just squirting around town the car will have some impressive torque.

I still think Mazda is going to release a MS8 at some point, what I don't get is why they seem to claim issues with FI.

The supercharged 8 concept would be perfect, and very reliable. Mazda seems really gun shy after the FD's issues.

The funny thing is, the MS8 with a Supercharger would be rated at like 270hp, but the Torque jump would be huge. I'm sure people would be bitching at why its not pushing 300hp.

if it matters that much to you, get rid of the 8 and buy a mazdaspeed 3.

A FWD 260hp car is not going to be as fast as you think, although just squirting around town the car will have some impressive torque.

I still think Mazda is going to release a MS8 at some point, what I don't get is why they seem to claim issues with FI.

The supercharged 8 concept would be perfect, and very reliable. Mazda seems really gun shy after the FD's issues.

The funny thing is, the MS8 with a Supercharger would be rated at like 270hp, but the Torque jump would be huge. I'm sure people would be bitching at why its not pushing 300hp.
It should be quicker than the SRT4...but we don't know the weight on this thing.

I think a SC 8 would be perfect. It would not matter if it didn't hit 300 mark. All that matters is the torque will improve!

i dont think it will be as fast as the srt-4 cause the new one is in the dodge caliber or something like that and is supposed have like 300hp.

The HP/TQ rating on the SRT-4 Neon was really underrated. If Dodge rated HP like Mazda or Mitsubishi it would have been well over 250hp.

i dont think it will be as fast as the srt-4 cause the new one is in the dodge caliber or something like that and is supposed have like 300hp.
I ment the Neon. And the MS3 has about 280lb-tq. I am not sure how much the Caliber has. Also the fact that I have heard the Caliber is a porker. I will wait to see how much the MS3 is in comparison. For now, I reserve my decision on what will be faster between the Caliber and MS3.

Mazda underrated the torque for MS6, its rated at 280, but dynos show close to 260, and thats with a AWD drivetrain loss, thats a lot man. MS3 will get the same torque, probably a little less hp..

question: if MS3 runs the same boost as the MS6, but with less HP, does that mean it'll have even more torque?
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Why is it the Mazda is ok with the RX8 (supposed halo car) being the 3rd fastest product they have? Now the MS6 and MS3 are going to be more powerful/faster cars then the RX8......that is pathetic.
The halo car, flagship car, whatever you want to call it is the 6 not the 8. That's the one we wish was the flagship car. The 8 is about as much the halo car as the MX-5 is.

I dont think a 260hp car would be good as a FWD... isnt that a little much for the front wheels?

and guys.. dont old your breath for an MS8.... If Mazda did a MS8 that would be one silly move.. someone will definitely lose their job for that one

I dont think a 260hp car would be good as a FWD... isnt that a little much for the front wheels?

Shouldn't be too bad with LSD, but there'll be some torque steer. My old Volvo was almost putting that much on the ground (no LSD), and would light the tires up on a corner exit. It would get up and go though :).

Kinda off topic, but do you guys think that the MS6 will be made a trim option next year? and also the MS3 after it comes out. Just like Subaru legacy spec B, limited one year, trim the next
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The Dodge Caliber has 172 hp and 165 lb-ft of torque. I only know this becasue my wife started looking for a new car a few weeks back... When she test drove the MS6 she stopped looking at anything else and and got that.

Now we have a Velocity Red MS6 and my Nordic Green 8 in the garage.. it is nice to have two fast cars.

:)



I ment the Neon (#). And the MS3 has about 280lb-tq. I am not sure how much the Caliber has. Also the fact that I have heard the Caliber is a porker. I will wait to see how much the MS3 is in comparison. For now, I reserve my decision on what will be faster between the Caliber and MS3.

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Now we have a Velocity Red MS6 and my Nordic Green 8 in the garage.. it is nice to have two fast cars.

:)

which do you prefer?

The Dodge Caliber has 172 hp and 165 lb-ft of torque. I only know this becasue my wife started looking for a new car a few weeks back... When she test drove the MS6 she stopped looking at anything else and and got that.

Now we have a Velocity Red MS6 and my Nordic Green 8 in the garage.. it is nice to have two fast cars.

:)

wait until the SRT Cailber comes out and smokes both your cars. :banghead:

I ment the Neon. And the MS3 has about 280lb-tq. I am not sure how much the Caliber has. Also the fact that I have heard the Caliber is a porker. I will wait to see how much the MS3 is in comparison. For now, I reserve my decision on what will be faster between the Caliber and MS3.


Well after alot of searching....

The Caliber SRT-4 weighs in at....wait for it...just shy of 3200lbs. 300hp/260lb-ft (not sure where, it seems a bit peaky, so expect a little lag). Supposedly the suspension gets some serious work though, and it is expected to be a pretty good handler. We'll see. I'd expect the aftermarket to be about 1000x better for the Dodge as well.

Mazda underrated the torque for MS6, its rated at 280, but dynos show close to 260, and thats with a AWD drivetrain loss, thats a lot man.


Who told you that nonsense?

Disregard: read it as WHP not torque.

Lets finger cross the MS 8 is coming this fall or next fall as I still have hope to trust my service advisor from Mazda.

The halo car, flagship car, whatever you want to call it is the 6 not the 8. That's the one we wish was the flagship car. The 8 is about as much the halo car as the MX-5 is.

im under the impression halo car means the most expensive car in the brand. it shouldnt have much to do with performance. that should be mazdaspeed 6 i guess.. starting at 28k msrp

I dont think a 260hp car would be good as a FWD... isnt that a little much for the front wheels?
the new camry v6 is 268hp, maxima and altima SE-R and next gen v6 altima are sure to put out more than 260hp. Acura TL is FWD and has 258, pretty close... toque steer sucks, but its not enough to keep companies from releasing *high hp fwd cars.

The halo car, flagship car, whatever you want to call it is the 6 not the 8. That's the one we wish was the flagship car. The 8 is about as much the halo car as the MX-5 is.


Well...I think what he was trying to say was

Mazda is like this "We make the only rotary engine! Yay for us!" Having a non-piston engine is a little bit out there, don't you think?

When they first came out I hated them before I actually looked at them
because i was like a 1.3??!!? my mx-3 (1.6)has more litres than that!
(not paying attention to Rotors.)
I have now seen the error of my ways thinking my old mx-3 could have taken it.
I've never been so WRONG in my life. :mdrmed:

Lets finger cross the MS 8 is coming this fall or next fall as I still have hope to trust my service advisor from Mazda.

I was told by a service guy that it was rumored that..don don don...

2008 MS RX-8

I think he said it was like a toss up between the 3 and 8 this year was the big mazda rumor.

If there will be a MS 8 I think I know what i'll be trading my 8 in for :)

This forum will explode on the day they announce the MS8. (if that ever happens)
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Well after alot of searching....

The Caliber SRT-4 weighs in at....wait for it...just shy of 3200lbs. 300hp/260lb-ft (not sure where, it seems a bit peaky, so expect a little lag). Supposedly the suspension gets some serious work though, and it is expected to be a pretty good handler. We'll see. I'd expect the aftermarket to be about 1000x better for the Dodge as well.

So does the new VW GTI and the tests of it all say it handles quite well.

im under the impression halo car means the most expensive car in the brand. it shouldnt have much to do with performance. that should be mazdaspeed 6 i guess.. starting at 28k msrp
I don't think its the expensive, just the car that makes you the money. Your bread and butter. I beleive it is the 6 in general.

Flagship-"performance leader" displaying all your best techinacal can-do stuff.
Halo- Money maker that keeps your company in the black.

Not sure what an MS8 would do for us at the moment... Just makes me ask, "Well, why the hell didn't you just make it with 300hp in the first place?" But then again, if I cared that much I would not have bought it in the first place. This car has such unique dynamics that I feel just can't be matched by shoving a 260hp motor in any fwd car.

I love my 8, but that does not mean I like Mazda ignoring it (or what appears they are) and making other cars that are not true sports cars faster than the RX8.

Even if it's FWD...with 260HP it should be faster than the RX8.

I don't think not liking the idea of a 2 cars (sadan and a freaken wagon people...lol) faster than the RX8 means you have to sell your 8. Let's be honest people, your "sports car" should be your fastest car...not your wagon.

I hope I'm wrong about Mazda and they blow our socks off with something great for the 8.

Oh, last thing...it's not that I don't agree with the MS6 or 3, just that I HIGHLY agree with a MS8 which right now is nothing but fantasy.

Honestly, I hope they don't need a MS8 and simply give us a faster 8. Like that, when my 8 is paid for I could get another one...lol.

[QUOTE=rx8wannahave]Even if it's FWD...with 260HP it should be faster than the RX8.




I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that the ms3 will be faster than the 8. FWD does a lot of damage. Weight does also. Not to mention suspension set up, possibly narrower tires, higher center of gravity, possibly a different or "worse" gearbox or longer- throw stick=possibly slower shifting. Little things here and there add up to make a noticeable difference. Don't forget that the first year the 280hp, rear wheel drive six cylinder that Nissan put in the G35 ran dead even with ours. And we're talking about a FWD 260 hp car.

Don't put our future kid brother on a pedastal yet boys. :nono:

So does the new VW GTI and the tests of it all say it handles quite well.

Yes but you have to consider the fact that the Caliber will sit like 6-8 inches higher than the GTI and have a wheelbase 2-3 inches longer. This will have a huge effect on handling.

I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that the ms3 will be faster than the 8. FWD does a lot of damage. Weight does also. Not to mention suspension set up, possibly narrower tires, higher center of gravity, possibly a different or "worse" gearbox or longer- throw stick=possibly slower shifting. Little things here and there add up to make a noticeable difference. Don't forget that the first year the 280hp, rear wheel drive six cylinder that Nissan put in the G35 ran dead even with ours. And we're talking about a FWD 260 hp car.

The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.

The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.

Hell, at that curb weight, the 3 will be mixing it up from a roll with stock Evo 8's...(disclaimer: assuming Mazda can get the engine right, this time around)

Yes but you have to consider the fact that the Caliber will sit like 6-8 inches higher than the GTI and have a wheelbase 2-3 inches longer. This will have a huge effect on handling.

Good point... I did forget that the Caliber (even SRT-4) will be riding higer than the GTI (the USDM model rides higher than the Euro model though...).


The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.

I agree... if Mazda keeps the weight close to normal, the MS3 will be handing quite a few cars their ass. If Mazda can keep the fully loaded price below that of the GTI, they will have one hell of a deal on their hands.

The GTI does the advantage of a huge aftermarket (at least 2 or 3 flash tuner companies already) and the underrated engine is easily tuned to MS3 levels. Who knows if the aftermarket will ever take to the MS6/MS3 and come out with more than just a cat-back and maybe an intake...

[QUOTE=rx8wannahave]Even if it's FWD...with 260HP it should be faster than the RX8.




I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that the ms3 will be faster than the 8. FWD does a lot of damage. Weight does also. Not to mention suspension set up, possibly narrower tires, higher center of gravity, possibly a different or "worse" gearbox or longer- throw stick=possibly slower shifting. Little things here and there add up to make a noticeable difference. Don't forget that the first year the 280hp, rear wheel drive six cylinder that Nissan put in the G35 ran dead even with ours. And we're talking about a FWD 260 hp car.

Don't put our future kid brother on a pedastal yet boys. :nono:

The G35 didn't run dead even with the RX-8, it was a good bit faster even though it was heavier (14.1 @99mph IIRC from the Rotary Revival article). If the HP numbers aren't way overrated the MS3 will easily be faster than the RX-8, high 13s aren't out of the question.

but do you guys think that the MS6 will be made a trim option next year?

Due to poor sales and lack of demand, the MS6 is just a single year Mazdaspeed. (Unlike the MSM and MSP). So if you want a mazdaspeed 6, just wait till the MS3 is out, and the mps6's will probably have heavy incentives available. Heck some dealers are already offering 1500 USD off the sport, and 2500 USD off the GT versions.

I'm really excited about the MS3 myself, as more then one tuning shop is purchasing one for development. Even the local CP-E guys are dying to get their hands on one to start producing parts as quickly as possible!

Btw its 267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs (MPS 3) with boost limiting maximum power in 1st gear to 230 bhp.

Due to poor sales and lack of demand, the MS6 is just a single year Mazdaspeed. (Unlike the MSM and MSP). So if you want a mazdaspeed 6, just wait till the MS3 is out, and the mps6's will probably have heavy incentives available. Heck some dealers are already offering 1500 USD off the sport, and 2500 USD off the GT versions.haha. Are you serious?

The very same sales man who sold me my RX-8 (I walked in, told them which one I wanted and bought on the spot), told me that I couldn't even test drive the MS6 unless I was dead serious - and signed some financing papers first.

I had even brought my boss with me for the test drive - he was also interested. We ended up walking out empty handed.

I dont know about the poor sales, but yeah its hard to testdrive the MSP6, you have to have like real interest in buying them, each dealer only get a few max, some just 1 or 2, so if you testdrive one of the 2 they have, they'd have to sell it for a lot cheaper afterwards, but if you testdrive it and buy it, they can still charge you the full price.

I really hope this engine would make it to the car as a trim option, coz we'll see this same engine in MS6 and CX-7, but then the 07 mazda6 is going to have a 260hp V6... or an AWD option perhaps?
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FWD SUCKS that is all i have to say

Due to poor sales and lack of demand, the MS6 is just a single year Mazdaspeed. (Unlike the MSM and MSP). So if you want a mazdaspeed 6, just wait till the MS3 is out, and the mps6's will probably have heavy incentives available. Heck some dealers are already offering 1500 USD off the sport, and 2500 USD off the GT versions.

I'm really excited about the MS3 myself, as more then one tuning shop is purchasing one for development. Even the local CP-E guys are dying to get their hands on one to start producing parts as quickly as possible!

Btw its 267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs (MPS 3) with boost limiting maximum power in 1st gear to 230 bhp.


glad to hear your still alive man, been wondering where you were :)

I dont know about the poor sales, but yeah its hard to testdrive the MSP6, you have to have like real interest in buying them, each dealer only get a few max, some just 1 or 2, so if you testdrive one of the 2 they have, they'd have to sell it for a lot cheaper afterwards, but if you testdrive it and buy it, they can still charge you the full price.

I really hope this engine would make it to the car as a trim option, coz we'll see this same engine in MS6 and CX-7, but then the 07 mazda6 is going to have a 260hp V6... or an AWD option perhaps?

Some crumby little dealer a few miles from me has 5 of them sitting on the lot. Whoever told you each dealer is only getting a few is blowing smoke up your ass. I was approached when I was looking at them and asked right off if I wanted a testdrive, I didn't have time so I declined. Another dealer that I contacted before they came out called me 3 times after the came in to come take a testdrive (this dealer currently has 8 in stock). This is not a tough car to get a testdrive in from my experiences, they also seem to be sitting on lots in decent quantities. I'd like to testdrive one but I know I won't be buying one so probably won't drive one anytime soon.

Don't believe me, take a look.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/ncal.jsp?car_id=194240245&dealer_id=1359478&ncal_id=794003&car_year=2006&search_type=both&make=MAZDA&distance=25&model=MAZDA6&address=53219&certified=&advanced=&max_price=&bkms=1145256054901&min_price=&end_year=2006&start_year=2006&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=20

mysql101,

There are some dealerships with as many as 12-16 on the lot...none of which are selling. The overall magazine reviews for the car turned out rather poor (at least if you didn't pay attention to the actual ratings used), which I think resulted in many people going for other vehicles. This combined with the power loss issue which is effecting almost 40% of the owners has put alot of people off the car.

(If the car detects a knock of 1 or higher, it overrides the Throttle Position sensor and only allows a max of 33% throttle...so even if you floor the car, you only get 33%. Only way to fix this is to shut the car off and turn it back on again, thus why its called the Microsoft Windows problem)
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=5012

It doesn't help that many dealers take delivery of the car, and then fill the tank with 87 octane =/. Idiots. So if you happen to test drive an mps 6, and it feels like a really heavy 6i, yell at the dealer, and go test drive one somewhere else.

The car is, (when its working according to spec), quite zippy for its size, and owners have pulled 13.7's with stock rubber @ the track in decent weather conditions.

Mazda has a fix for the power loss issue, but it'll be at least another month or two before the reflash is available.

The biggest failings of the car (IMHO), are just the tuning of the engine (tons of low end, no high end...similar power band to a truck engine, you want to shift prior to 5500 rpm for maximum performance), and the fact that there seems to be an overall failing in cooling for the system. Throwing the car on the dyno shows almost a 33 ft/lb loss in torque, and almost 20 whp, by the 3rd run, from heatsoak related issues.

This also makes it INCREDIBLY EASY for aftermarket companies to show MASSIVE gains from products. All they have to do is run the stock car for a few runs, take the lowest baseline, then let the car sit for 15 minutes, dyno again, and va la, magical 15-20whp gain. So if you own an MPS6...please please please please realize this, and consider purchasing mods based on quality of manufacturer and not just who has the prettiest graph.

The tuning to low end isn't really a disappointment for most, as the primary complaint of the 6 was that it had no lowend whatsoever...well mazda actually listened and now you get all low end, with massive power drops after 5500 rpm. Some argue its a "wastegate actuator problem", while others argue its the K-04 Turbo being used (turbo running out of steam). I just thought it was weird that mazda pushed the redline to 6700...but if you wait to shift at 6700, someone shifting at 5700 is going to cream you. Have you guys seen the torque curve for this thing?

http://www.3dluvr.com/crossbow/incoming/torque.jpg

Crazy insano torque at low end. The car sells itself instantly to anyone who never rev'd past 4k in the 6. Pulls like a son of a bitch. You can see what I was talking about the lack of high end. Look how much torque is lost between 5500 and 6500...almost 90 ft/lbs. I personally think its a result of tuning for low end. You can't have both crazy low end and high end unless you're rich and running a VATN, compound system, or sequential.

Renesis_8,

2007 Remake of the 6 has been pushed back to 2008. The 6 is getting a new chassis and body, and the current factories can't handle the new larger size. Mazda is actually embarassed at the delay, because it was annouced over a year ago and they still haven't tooled up to produce it. So if you are looking for the 3.5 V6 6, it won't be till 2008.

The MS3 most likely will be significantly lighter than the 8 and of course will have significantly more HP, so yes...it "should" be faster. Remember...they use to say the MS6 was not going to be faster than the 8 because of it's weight...now we know it's significantly faster 14 sec 1/4 mile times.

Again, I don't blame Mazda for making the MS6 and 3, but I do feel like going crazy the more time passes without a significant RX8 update.

FWD SUCKS that is all i have to say Because you don't know how to drive it.

Ren-8: I think its just your dealer. I have been offered to test drive the MS6 twice so far and I wasn't even looking at the car.

Crossbow- I love tha torque curve.

crosbow

this is what I have beeng sayng for a long time, just last week we where at the track and 2 mazdaspped6 were pulling 13.7 to 14 1/4 all day long.

If anyone is interested here are two quick pics of the MS3 from the NY auto show
Not a bad looking car, but i hate the spoiler on the rear of hatchback.
and according to one of the Mazda representatives i spoke with the MS3 have over 250 HP which makes it one nice ride :ylsuper:

267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs, with ecu limiting boost in 1st to provide a max of 230 bhp. The MPS 3 will run 13's all day long.

267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs, with ecu limiting boost in 1st to provide a max of 230 bhp. The MPS 3 will run 13's all day long.

If it's anything like the MSP or MS6 the ECU will be limiting boost in a lot of gears :cwm27:

If it's anything like the MSP or MS6 the ECU will be limiting boost in a lot of gears :cwm27: Oh God, don't I know it. Can you say rich? I could have cashed my ecu in and became a multi-millionaire. It was horrible.

Yes but you have to consider the fact that the Caliber will sit like 6-8 inches higher than the GTI and have a wheelbase 2-3 inches longer. This will have a huge effect on handling.



The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.

I'll believe if I see it. And let's not forget not all racing is done in a straight line. The G35's weight was also offset by its higher torque.

it's going to be very hard to not trade in our 3 for the MS3.

it's going to be very hard to not trade in our 3 for the MS3.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

160hp 3 vs 260hp 3 (actually 244hp is what i've heard) = nothing to be ashamed of.

The G35 didn't run dead even with the RX-8, it was a good bit faster even though it was heavier (14.1 @99mph IIRC from the Rotary Revival article). If the HP numbers aren't way overrated the MS3 will easily be faster than the RX-8, high 13s aren't out of the question.


You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!

Why?

160hp 3 vs 260hp 3 (actually 244hp is what i've heard) = nothing to be ashamed of.


Why?
Because hp isn't everything.
Why?
Because I have a stock 8 with 183 hp not 160. Some have more.
Why?
Because your comparing a sports car with a station wagon.

If I wanted a high hp station wagon I'd have one of those ugly Dodge hursts with a frickin 8 cylinder Hemi.

Why?
Because hp isn't everything.
Why?
Because I have a stock 8 with 183 hp not 160. Some have more.
Why?
Because your comparing a sports car with a station wagon.

If I wanted a high hp station wagon I'd have one of those ugly Dodge hursts with a frickin 8 cylinder Hemi.

What on earth are you talking about?

Read my post dude, i clearly state i'm going to trade my 3 (which is a 5dr) for a ms3 (5dr), there is no mention of an 8 anywhere...

Put down the crack pipe.

edit: you probably feel really silly right about now huh ? :rofl:

My bad. But chill on the crack pipe bit or I'll have one installed in your ass.

Hope you enjoy your new station wagon.

My bad. But chill on the crack pipe bit or I'll have one installed in your ass.

Ok, but i'll say this just one more time...

ease off the crack yo.

OK uhh homie. I'm uhh down with that uhh yo. So you go pimpin in the hood in your station wagon much homie? I don't think I'm the one with the crack problem.

You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!

Plenty of G35s run low 14s and trap close to 100mph, just because you managed to find two tests where the RX-8 is .1 quicker doesn't mean that's usually the case.

You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!


14.6 at 98.6 vs 14.5 at 95.6 tells me the driver would've won that race. The fact is, the G35 is capable of significantly better times than 14.6 while the 8 is not.

And ease off the internet tough guy bit. Though humorous, it takes up storage space. ;)

Just prooving my point bro. Hp is not everything. And I'm definitely surprised that everyone is getting so excited about a freakin station wagon. There are pick up trucks and suv's that are faster than the 9 also. Who cares.
Bottom line: on a drag strip with a good driver, the MS3 will probably be faster. I'll admit it. I didn't know that the station wagon would weigh in that low. But I don't drive around on drag strips too often and I bought the 8 too be able to do more than drive in a straight line.

You guys can have your station wagon. If I wanted a 1/4 monster wrapped up in an ugly box I would have bought an STI or an EVO!!!

BTW Therm8. It was the same driver and my point remains the same hp isn't everything, and for you station wagon lovers, it's a good thing looks aren't either.

8 haters :crying:

Whao, someone's overreacting

Whao, someone's overreacting


Couldn't agree more. haha Yeah I know you're talking about me, but dang. A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine". Blasphemy on this forum!! :anger:

You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!

fastest time slip ive seen on g35driver.com for a stock car is a 13.7something with a stock 05 298hp g35 coupe 6mt. i havnt paid attention to what the fastest track time for stock rx8 on this site, but im guessing its somewhere in the mid 14s and require a really difficult high rpm launch. I suck at shifting and I got a 14.3 the first time I went to the track last year when i was still stock, well the rest of the night I was in the 15s because i suck at launching, i always ended up spinning my wheels :(. Off the roll on the streets though, i easily pull on RX8s during traffic manuvers, they are relatively a lot slower off the roll, i have more problem with V6 Altimas and Accords than pulling on RX8s off the roll.

Its funny when I was just driving at normal speed couple of weeks ago on I495 in VA on my way to happy hour, An rx8 was weaving and speeding through traffic at 90mhp+ like he owns the road, then when he got right behind me, he slowed down and was scared to zoom past me. I was lmao because I have no intention of racing people. Then he proceeded to SLOWLY pass me within the flow of the traffic, I was just looking at him the whole time and smiling, then gave him a thumbs up. lol.

It also cracks me up when I was just trying to pass this Sti at normal traffic speed on another day, i guess he took it the wrong way lol, and proceeded to give me the WOT treatment with the loud aftermarket exhaust and BOV lol, went up to at least 100mph on a 45mph speed limit and disappeared in seconds. at least i didnt get the blinkers

but youre right, accleration is just 1 aspect of performance and its not everything. we dont need to live and die by the 1/4 mile slips, but its still important at the same time.

fastest time slip ive seen on g35driver.com for a stock car is a 13.7something with a stock 05 298hp g35 coupe 6mt. i havnt paid attention to what the fastest track time for stock rx8 on this site, but im guessing its somewhere in the mid 14s and require a really difficult high rpm launch. I suck at shifting and I got a 14.3 the first time I went to the track last year when i was still stock, well the rest of the night I was in the 15s because i suck at launching, i always ended up spinning my wheels :(. Off the roll on the streets though, i easily pull on RX8s during traffic manuvers, they are relatively a lot slower off the roll, i have more problem with V6 Altimas and Accords than pulling on RX8s off the roll.

Its funny when I was just driving at normal speed couple of weeks ago on I495 in VA on my way to happy hour, An rx8 was weaving and speeding through traffic at 90mhp+ like he owns the road, then when he got right behind me, he slowed down and was scared to zoom past me. I was lmao because I have no intention of racing people. Then he proceeded to SLOWLY pass me within the flow of the traffic, I was just looking at him the whole time and smiling, then gave him a thumbs up. lol.

It also cracks me up when I was just trying to pass this Sti at normal traffic speed on another day, i guess he took it the wrong way lol, and proceeded to give me the WOT treatment with the loud aftermarket exhaust and BOV lol, went up to at least 100mph on a 45mph speed limit and disappeared in seconds. at least i didnt get the blinkers

but youre right, accleration is just 1 aspect of performance and its not everything. we dont need to live and die by the 1/4 mile slips, but its still important at the same time.

We were discussing the 280hp G35. Read the thread.

im aware thats why i specified 2005 298hp 6mt, however 280hp G35 isnt any slower, they have less hp but they are lighter and have more torque... theyve ran 13.9 stock.
not that it really matters that much, anything can beat anything... i wouldnt be suprised if MPS3 will be pull faster times than the G35. Hell cars are supposed to get faster and faster, the new WRX with the 2.5L engine is just down right scary. toyota camry, altima, and g35 are all recieving healthy power boosts next year. its time they do something for the regular rx8, not just mps8

Couldn't agree more. haha Yeah I know you're talking about me, but dang. A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine". Blasphemy on this forum!! :anger:

Think of this forum as a bunch of car guys who most happen to have the same car hanging out together. Then it'll make more sense why some of us can appreciate other cars and aren't "RX8 IS THE BEST FOR LIFE RAWRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" fanboys.

We are car guys.

We had the whole MS3 debate in the Aussie forum a couple of months ago, started by yours truly.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=83268

You'll see I baited the hook heavily to get some people pissed off and posting. :mdrmed:

NB: the MS3 will be known as the 3 MPS in Aus, just like the MS6 is called a 6 MPS.

But I don't drive around on drag strips too often Yeah and I bet you drive on track courses all the time to take advantage of the handling. :rolleyes:

If I wanted a 1/4 monster wrapped up in an ugly box I would have bought an STI or an EVO!!! Then you are bigger idiot then I thought. :Freak_ani
Nobody buys an STi or Evo to be a "1/4 monster". That's not what they are built for. They are extremely fast cars that handle very well and are most at home on a track, whether it be a road or rally course. They are decent at a drag strip. They just do everything well, unlike an RX-8.

A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine".
Fact is, everyone likes to go fast and accelerate quickly. You don't need to get butthurt because people want to drive fast and the 8 just isn't cutting it for them. It is much easy to get enjoyment out of a fast car on the street than it is a good handling car. You very rarely have the opportunity to take a car to its handling limits on the street, but every time you jam the accelerator to the floor, you can bring the car to its performance limit.

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Think of this forum as a bunch of car guys who most happen to have the same car hanging out together. Then it'll make more sense why some of us can appreciate other cars and aren't "RX8 IS THE BEST FOR LIFE RAWRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" fanboys.

We are car guys.


I thought you were a chick. Your website:

Then you are bigger idiot then I thought. :Freak_ani
Nobody buys an STi or Evo to be a "1/4 monster". That's not what they are built for. They are extremely fast cars that handle very well and are most at home on a track, whether it be a road or rally course. They are decent at a drag strip. They just do everything well, unlike an RX-8.

It was the fastest "ugly box" as my post stated. Hater

Then you are bigger idiot then I thought. :Freak_ani
Nobody buys an STi or Evo to be a "1/4 monster". That's not what they are built for. They are extremely fast cars that handle very well and are most at home on a track, whether it be a road or rally course. They are decent at a drag strip. They just do everything well, unlike an RX-8.

It was the fastest "ugly box" as my post stated. Hater

Learn how to quote, dopey.

I thought you were a chick. Your website:

Then you didn't look hard enough.

That's my wife.

Ummmm...stalker?

Ummmm...stalker?

Yeah I would say a bit.

FlyingLeggs, Please stop posting unless its gunna contribute to the thread in a positive way... you seem to have no idea what your talking about.

Here is what I can say about the MS3. Ive ridden in a M3 2.3 that was turbocharged (not sure how much boost), and the car also had a decent suspension job. I imagine it is close to what an MS3 would feel like. It was a quick little squirt, pretty much point and shoot driving through town. At WOT the turbo gave a nice little kick in the pants, and I imagine its pretty quick in the quarter. It defently felt faster than my 8, although the feel of a turbo spooling up can be deceptive.
If the MS3 is even close to what my buddy is driving, Id buy one if I were in the market for a GTI, A3 or something along those lines.
I enjoy my 8, regardless of how many cars on Mazdas brochure are 'above' it.
I do have to say the MS3 will beat us in gas consumption, and thats a small victory for it as well I think.

Please use MZ3 and not M3 when describing the Mazda 3.

I thought using M3 and MS3 in the same paragraph was clear enough... guess not.
Although, you did know the difference when reading it, so wont other people?

No, first thing I think of and read is BMW M3, then im like wtf. Always have since began using M3 and M6 to describe the Mazda 3 and Mazda 6.

Sorry, its a nit-pick of mine. Carry on.

Then you didn't look hard enough.

That's my wife.

haha!

Yea, I could understand you getting a little confused when I say M3... good point, but like I said, in context it was pretty clear what I was talking about.