http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2006_new_york/0605_2007_subaru_wrx_sti_limited/

first to reply. nice picture

Nice. Now THIS is an STI that I could consider purchasing...

wow, 800 units in US; 1/2 white, 1/2 gray.

Hey, it's how an STi looks after 3 beers...

...I think I need another 3 beers before it becomes beautiful.

Such a shame...a champion chassis and powerplant with a U-G-L-Y body. Now, if you could put the STi engine & AWD setup in the 8, then you'd really have something.

Very nice, too bad the dealers are going to rape people on it and ask for at least $40,000 for it.

Shame. They were so close to making it look good, and it still came out uglier than hand-painted sin.

Better (but maybe it's just the lack of park bench spoiler).

I'm sure it shares absolutely no components with the WRX though :mdrmed:

this is the more mature STi that I'd definitely consider getting.

Better.......but still not there yet......keep working Subaru :)

Wow, they actually de-riced the STi a little and classed it up a bit. I guess this is the future of "econoboxes".

It might be a limited production run next year, but wait one more year, it'll become a trim level. They did this with Legacy Spec B, limited in 06, a trim option in 07, and its beautiful, except for the exterior haha.

Check it out at Subaru.com, its a flash site, cant give you guys a direct link sorry. Its got a new intelligent drive thing, its like 3 different fuel maps, for fuel economy, and 2 sport modes, and you can manually switch it.

FYI, subaru refers to their leather trimmed option as "limited", just like GS and GT in RX-8, they have "i" and "limited"


Although we all agree on here that this de-ricing of the STi is uncalled for, but its actually a smart move by Subaru, could draw more buyers that want the power but cant take the unacceptable DUAL rice wings and Kia interior. I say good move subaru, and you can always add the wing back after if you like it.

If they get rid of the turbo (hate lag, hate how turbos hang on to revs), the AWD (hate the understeer/oversteer transition), the ugly body, econocar roots, 3400 pound weight, etc....it would be a nice car. :hahano:

STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles.

That would not be an STI at all. You named everything about the car and said get rid of it....

If they get rid of the turbo (hate lag, hate how turbos hang on to revs), the AWD (hate the understeer/oversteer transition), the ugly body, econocar roots, 3400 pound weight, etc....it would be a nice car. :hahano:

STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles.They already make your dream car. Its the Imprezza 2.5i

Unfortunately its still AWD, but has the other features you are looking for
Horsepower: 173 hp
Torque: 166 ft-lbs.
Curb Weight: 3067 lbs.

That would not be an STI at all. You named everything about the car and said get rid of it....


wait...wait...wait...has it sunk in yet?? ;-)

I don't really know why, but I actually mourn the loss of the wing on that version :scratchhe...Definitely needs a nice, subtle wing to set off the rear end a bit, imo.

And for the love of God, get rid of that pig snout! I want so bad to like the looks of this car!

Wow Ike, he kind of sounds like you talking about the 8 all the time haha. Getting a little touchy are we?

If they get rid of the turbo (hate lag, hate how turbos hang on to revs), the AWD (hate the understeer/oversteer transition), the ugly body, econocar roots, 3400 pound weight, etc....it would be a nice car. :hahano:

STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles.

Jealous because an econobox outperforms your precious RX-8 on all levels?

See.... a big wing looks better on a STI

Jealous because an econobox outperforms your precious RX-8 on all levels?

Eric...or STI Eric...your car does not "outperform" an 8, its faster yes, but it does not outperform as an everyday sportscar. Smoothness, refinement, ride quality, feel, etc. are also "performance" indicators, but you are so dim and one dimensional that you don't see this. Hence you own a STI...stat toy for imbiciles.

By the way, if it is all about being faster, even my slowest motorcycle can crush your STI.

Eric...or STI Eric...your car does not "outperform" an 8, its faster yes, but it does not outperform as an everyday sportscar. Smoothness, refinement, ride quality, feel, etc. are also "performance" indicators, but you are so dim and one dimensional that you don't see this. Hence you own a STI...stat toy for imbiciles.


Hmm...all the ways that the RX-8 is "better" are all subjective and immeasurable. Everything that is objective and measureable points to the STi. Funny how that works out that way.

You are actually proving my point.

Subjective? Smoothness and refinement...every car scrib went on about this with the 8 and its rotary, same thing with its ride. Hardly sbjective. The same scribes refer to STIs an EVOs as uncompromising, which is fine if thats what you want, but I'll take a better rounded package anyday. I don't take my racebike to work, rather I take my other bike that a better all rounder, what do I got to prove???

As for feel, yeah thats more subjective. But many MANY enthusiasts think that a front-mid engine rear wheel drive car (non-live axle) is the best layout, especially when its light.

Maybe 'cause I'm 38, I've moved beyond stats. Maybe one day it'll be a secondary consideration for you too.

You are actually proving my point.

Subjective? Smoothness and refinement...every car scrib went on about this with the 8 and its rotary, same thing with its ride. Hardly sbjective. The same scribes refer to STIs an EVOs as uncompromising, which is fine if thats what you want, but I'll take a better rounded package anyday. I don't take my racebike to work, rather I take my other bike that a better all rounder, what do I got to prove???

As for feel, yeah thats more subjective. But many MANY enthusiasts think that a front-mid engine rear wheel drive car (non-live axle) is the best layout, especially when its light.

Maybe 'cause I'm 38, I've moved beyond stats. Maybe one day it'll be a secondary consideration for you too.
It's not a Mercedes S-class, it's supposed to be a sports car. In a sports car that is designed for performance, I would much rather be in tune with the road than isolated from it.

But, the real question here is, why are you so insecure about your car that you feel the need to post in every STi/Evo thread about how much you hate these cars? Obviously there is something about these cars that you fear. These are both cars that are loved by automotive mag writers and car enthusiasts alike. Yet you continually enter these threads to bash and call names. You're 38? More like 8. How about you go back to enjoying [insert mod edit here] Car.

You are actually proving my point.

Subjective? Smoothness and refinement...every car scrib went on about this with the 8 and its rotary, same thing with its ride. Hardly sbjective. The same scribes refer to STIs an EVOs as uncompromising, which is fine if thats what you want, but I'll take a better rounded package anyday. I don't take my racebike to work, rather I take my other bike that a better all rounder, what do I got to prove???

As for feel, yeah thats more subjective. But many MANY enthusiasts think that a front-mid engine rear wheel drive car (non-live axle) is the best layout, especially when its light.

Maybe 'cause I'm 38, I've moved beyond stats. Maybe one day it'll be a secondary consideration for you too.

While I agree with you to a point, but the fact remains that you have some inferiority regarding the STI, otherwise you'd never have made those negative remarks for all to see. Why can't we just be secure with the cars we own, and appreciate others for how they are built. It's all a bunch of nonsense. You're 38 years old, obviously you should know better not to stoop to the level of criticizing a purpose built car. It shows a partial, and narrowminded personality. You're not any better then the guys criticizing the RX8 on other forums. The STI is a better performer PERIOD, but to get that performance you have to compromise in looks and refinement. The RX8 has all the tools for a great overall sports car, but it lacks what the STi has, and like the STI, it has it's share of dislikers. Again, it's a compromise. I think whether STI and RX8 owners want to admit it or not, they envy what the other car brings to the table. Most will live in the land of denial, but negative comments always point to somre level of insecurity, jealousy, defensivness, or flat out inability to give another car credit, feeling it's somehow making the car you own seem inferior. Same story, different day. Be happy with what you own, and don't cut down other cars for the intention they are built for. Just enjoy your RX8, and leave the bashing to the young ones. You're too old for that nonsense. ;)

ditto

Just enjoy your RX8, and leave the bashing to the young ones. You're too old for that nonsense. ;)

Hey, how about telling the young ones in my age group to reign it in too? I have to deal with these people! Stupidity/immaturity doesn't justify automotive bashing. :mdrmed:

I think whether STI and RX8 owners want to admit it or not, they envy what the other car brings to the table.

I think this is THE best assessment of the tensions between RX8 and EVO/Sti owners. Nicely said VikingDJ :)

Well, that settles it...the car is ugly no matter what :).

The STI and Evo are all about fun and raw performance. Any real car enthusiast and anyone that has actually driven one of these cars knows that they're all about fun and raw performance. Saying they're "stats toys for imbeciles" is something only an imbecile would say.

My schwarz is longer than yours

You guys are too funny…like a clown funny. STIEric & EvoIke; the biggest 8 bashers on this site, yet you can’t take any criticism of your cars.

And Viking, you’re trying to psychoanalyze me, meanwhile you don’t offer anything up for the non 8 owners who spend thousands of posts bashing the 8…on an 8 site! Go back to flipp’n burgers bud.

Let ‘em hang boys, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. :bootyshak

yeah it maybe be ugly but whats nice about the wrx to other cars out there is its difference, same for the 8 different then everyone else out there. but when they do release the evo x that will be sick.

Saying driver comfort, etc of the 8 as being a part of performance indicator is fair enough but the imbecile part should be left out since there are true enthusiasts among car owners of any kind.

Saying driver comfort, etc of the 8 as being a part of performance indicator is fair enough but the imbecile part should be left out since there are true enthusiasts among car owners of any kind.

True dat. There are some people that can't be happy with what they have unless they are bashing others. They just like to create drama like some teen soap opera like Beverly Hills 9291150 -- I mean, 90210. Mwa ha ha!

If they get rid of the turbo (hate lag, hate how turbos hang on to revs), the AWD (hate the understeer/oversteer transition), the ugly body, econocar roots, 3400 pound weight, etc....it would be a nice car. :hahano:

STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles. Wow. Just wow. Welcome to the forums newb. :crazy:

Originally Posted by 9291150
"If they get rid of the turbo (hate lag, hate how turbos hang on to revs), the AWD (hate the understeer/oversteer transition), the ugly body, econocar roots, 3400 pound weight, etc....it would be a nice car.

STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles."


Wow. Just wow. Welcome to the forums newb. :crazy:

Yep, I was really trying to convince myself that was sarcasim... :icon_no2:

Why don't we put the 8 & STi together and let nature take its course...

...hopefully, their children will get their looks from the 8 and their power from the STi...

Why don't we put the 8 & STi together and let nature take its course...

...hopefully, their children will get their looks from the 8 and their power from the STi...Sorta like Lyle Lovett and Julia Roberts. The ugly one had skills but the one with the looks got all the attention. :mdrmed:

You guys are too funny…like a clown funny. STIEric & EvoIke; the biggest 8 bashers on this site, yet you can’t take any criticism of your cars.

And Viking, you’re trying to psychoanalyze me, meanwhile you don’t offer anything up for the non 8 owners who spend thousands of posts bashing the 8…on an 8 site! Go back to flipp’n burgers bud.

Let ‘em hang boys, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. :bootyshak

Ok, let it go man. You're sounding more pathetic by every post. There's a difference between constructive criticism of a car, and deliberate bashing. All I read was a bunch of disrespect. That's what separates you from IKE and STIEric. The difference between guys like you and guys like them is that they actually know what they are talking about when it comes to cars, and offer true insight with some objectivity. You just make arrogant, and idiotic remarks, and have no idea what you are talking about. I swear I thought you were a 16 year old fanboi after I first read that. Anyway, I'm gonna go back to flipping burgers now. Which car should I take to Burger King tomorrow? Should I take my 04 Sti, or my 06 S2000. Maybe I'll just buy back my 04 RX8 so I can own the car that's way better then any other car out there. There are lots of great cars. It's time to appreciate them for what they are and why they are built. Get over your penis envy man. Life is too short. ;)

You guys are too funny…like a clown funny. STIEric & EvoIke; the biggest 8 bashers on this site, yet you can’t take any criticism of your cars.

And Viking, you’re trying to psychoanalyze me, meanwhile you don’t offer anything up for the non 8 owners who spend thousands of posts bashing the 8…on an 8 site! Go back to flipp’n burgers bud.

Let ‘em hang boys, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. :bootyshak

Again, as I've told you before, I only respond in these threads after yourself or roaddemon or rotorocket makes a stupid, asinine comment and demonstrate that you are immature and know nothing about what you are saying. At least once a day someone posts a thread about how much they love their 8 and that it is the greatest car in the world. These threads turn into a big circle jerk with 8 owners patting themselves on the back for being so smart to buy such a great car. They get a chuckle out of me, but I don't go into those threads to "bash" the 8. You are the one who goes into STi/Evo threads with the sole purpose of bashing the cars. You have made it quite clear that you are a childish little baby who is insecure with his 8 when it is compared to an STi or Evo. You are also adept at sharing your complete lack of knowledge of these cars. I hope you keep posting just so that everyone can see what a moron you are. However, I guarantee that if you did not come into these threads and bash the cars by saying incorrect, moronic things (like Stat Toys for Imbeciles), you would not hear from me.

Again, I think the 8 is a great car for what it is. It's fanbois like yourself who try to make the 8 out to be something more than it is and are so insecure about their car that you need to bash other cars that are annoying. I'm very happy that we got this car for my wife. She is very happy with it. It looks prissy and feminine. It has enough power to be fun but not enough to get in trouble with. It's fun to drive. It has a nice set of features (she really wanted a sunroof, leather, and heated seats). All at a reasonable price. Yep, it's a great chick car. It's like a RWD 3rd gen Eclipse.

^ I think anything with a transverse mounted engine is a chick car.

^ I think anything with a transverse mounted engine is a chick car.

Phew. Glad my Subaru has a longitudinally mounted engine then! :rock:

Well, I see the STI fanbois club is alive and well.

Viking, I wish I cared enough to go back and quote all of STI Eric and Ike’s “true insight and objectivity” comments, as you call them. Give me a break, you’re sounding like one of their bitches. But you, like most STI/Evo owners on this site continue to represent your imbecile selves rather well.

Has it occurred to any of you that these cars may not be appealing to other enthusiasts? They didn’t even make my short list when I bought my 8.

Like I said, let ‘em hang boys, if you can’t take it, DON’T DISH IT OUT. :bootyshak

Ps. Eric, I didn’t even read your last post, what for??

Again, as I've told you before, I only respond in these threads after yourself or roaddemon or rotorocket makes a stupid, asinine comment and demonstrate that you are immature and know nothing about what you are saying. At least once a day someone posts a thread about how much they love their 8 and that it is the greatest car in the world. These threads turn into a big circle jerk with 8 owners patting themselves on the back for being so smart to buy such a great car. They get a chuckle out of me, but I don't go into those threads to "bash" the 8. You are the one who goes into STi/Evo threads with the sole purpose of bashing the cars. You have made it quite clear that you are a childish little baby who is insecure with his 8 when it is compared to an STi or Evo. You are also adept at sharing your complete lack of knowledge of these cars. I hope you keep posting just so that everyone can see what a moron you are. However, I guarantee that if you did not come into these threads and bash the cars by saying incorrect, moronic things (like Stat Toys for Imbeciles), you would not hear from me.

Again, I think the 8 is a great car for what it is. It's fanbois like yourself who try to make the 8 out to be something more than it is and are so insecure about their car that you need to bash other cars that are annoying. I'm very happy that we got this car for my wife. She is very happy with it. It looks prissy and feminine. It has enough power to be fun but not enough to get in trouble with. It's fun to drive. It has a nice set of features (she really wanted a sunroof, leather, and heated seats). All at a reasonable price. Yep, it's a great chick car. It's like a RWD 3rd gen Eclipse.

Meh, you had me until you started calling the 8 a chick car. You try to defend yourself under the guise of objectivity and then level a subjective and clearly asinine remark. To me, with posts like that, you're no better than the people you seem to war against.

Meh, you had me until you started calling the 8 a chick car. You try to defend yourself under the guise of objectivity and then level a subjective and clearly asinine remark. To me, with posts like that, you're no better than the people you seem to war against.

Thats nothing new Saturn, Eric has always been like this, he is the inspiration for my STI comment. Otherwise, I actually know a STI owner who is a great guy, though I still don't care for the car.

These guys are so dim they don't even know when I'm yanking their chains.

Meh, you had me until you started calling the 8 a chick car. You try to defend yourself under the guise of objectivity and then level a subjective and clearly asinine remark. To me, with posts like that, you're no better than the people you seem to war against.

Whoa, whoa, slow down there, paco. No need to man the fort. Calling it a chick car is not meant to be derogatory. Chicks rule the world, man, get with the times. Someone has to make cars for them. Is there anything that I said that is not true, or is it just that you don't want it to be true? If you state the facts why an RX-8 would not be a good chicks car, I may reconsider my statement.

Viking, I wish I cared enough to go back and quote all of STI Eric and Ike’s “true insight and objectivity” comments, as you call them.

Go ahead and find something, we're waiting. I know one fact I said that you don't like: from a rolling start, an RX-8 is slower than a Honda Odyssey minivan. It is objective, it can be measured, it has been measured, and it's a fact. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less true.

Has it occurred to any of you that these cars may not be appealing to other enthusiasts?

Has it occurred to you that the vast majority of car enthusiasts love the STi and Evo? Everywhere I go - to meets, at work, out on the town, etc, everyone tells me what an awesome machine the STi and how they'd like one. The only people I find who hate on the car are e-thugs and fanbois like yourself who hide like cowards behind their keyboards.

Ps. Eric, I didn’t even read your last post, what for??

This is what I typically expect from you. You don't want to hear the truth so you shut your eyes and plug your ears. I'll give you the CNs: 1) I don't go into threads with the express purpose of bashing on the RX-8. I just retaliate when idiots like yourself make moronic comments about things they know nothing about. 2) RX-8 is a good chick car.

These guys are so dim they don't even know when I'm yanking their chains.

Sorry, ain't buying it. I've been on these forums way too long to fall for that one. This is the exact response from everyone who gets called out on their stupidity, "Oh, I was just kidding. You guys are so stupid that you can't see that I'm yanking your chain." Grow up.

Well, I see the STI fanbois club is alive and well.

Viking, I wish I cared enough to go back and quote all of STI Eric and Ike’s “true insight and objectivity” comments, as you call them. Give me a break, you’re sounding like one of their bitches. But you, like most STI/Evo owners on this site continue to represent your imbecile selves rather well.

Has it occurred to any of you that these cars may not be appealing to other enthusiasts? They didn’t even make my short list when I bought my 8.

Like I said, let ‘em hang boys, if you can’t take it, DON’T DISH IT OUT. :bootyshak

Ps. Eric, I didn’t even read your last post, what for??

You and the other few loudmouth fanbois on this site like to make me out to be this big basher of the RX-8. I've called every single one of you out to show me once where I've outright bashed the RX-8 yet you guys can't come up with a single post. Something tells me you did care enough but then realized you couldn't find a damn thing. Since I bash the RX-8 so often, according to you, it should be really easy to find something, it will probably take less time than it would to type up another one of your misinformed posts.

I represent myself just fine, you however whine, fling personal insults, and bash cars you've never even driven. I can take it just fine and I'm dishing it right back, as is everyone else participating in this thread, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

If you're looking for a car around 30k and don't even consider the STI or Evo you're not much of an enthusiast if you ask me, at least not when it comes to performance.

Whoa, whoa, slow down there, paco. No need to man the fort. Calling it a chick car is not meant to be derogatory. Chicks rule the world, man, get with the times. Someone has to make cars for them. Is there anything that I said that is not true, or is it just that you don't want it to be true? If you state the facts why an RX-8 would not be a good chicks car, I may reconsider my statement.

Statements like that are just non-comments. I could just as easily say that the STi is a good car for guys who are insecure with themselves.

If you can't recognize that a comment like "good for chicks" doesn't imply something derogatory to a bunch of dudes then I guess we'll all just go around "implying" things without actually saying them. Should work out quite nicely.

The 8 isn't prissy and feminine, by the way. It's stylish, unique, and interesting looking. But then again this is an opinion. I could just as easily say that the STi is unimaginative, cheap, and boring. Or I could say that it's a no-nonsense platform borrowed from another model in the interest of price for the sake of raw performance.

If you're going to be an ass about the RX-8 on an RX-8 forum, don't expect other people to pull punches.

I don't doubt for a second that Mazda is targetting females with the RX-8 moreso than Subaru and Mitsubishi are with the STI and Evo, I even had a sales manager claim that to be true based on one of his national sales meetings. Hell, it's a smart move if you ask me. I however wouldn't call the RX-8 a chick car.

Phew. Glad my Subaru has a longitudinally mounted engine then! :rock:


I wasn't bashing the STi.....just making a comment about how I classify a chicks car. I actually love the Boxer engine and the AWD system of the WRX (I know it's not transverse mounted)......just hate the looks of the car......actually most Subaru products for that matter.

Regardless of whether the STI or EVO is on the car list of a true enthuasist or not, the cars and the owners of such cars do not deserve to be labelled "STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles" and such.

If you're going to be an ass about the RX-8 on an RX-8 forum, don't expect other people to pull punches.

Again, I am very, very rarely "an ass" about the RX-8. Go ahead and look back through the threads I post in. I only ever respond to comments from idiot RX-8 owners like 9291150 and roaddemon who post moronic statments like "the STI is for imbeciles" or the Evo is a "kiddie clown car" with a "cheating turbo". If 9291150 didn't demonstrate his idiocy and complete lack of knowledge so much, then you wouldn't need to hear from me when I am trying to balance his idiocy with facts.

What's really funny about all this is on sites like srtforums, I have defended the RX-8 and been called a Mazda fanboi (go ahead, look it up). I do the same thing over there that I do here...when some idiot opens his big mouth and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge on a subject, then I step in to give a little balance.

I guess I'm just used to NASIOC, where you are free to post "the other side of the story" without getting labelled a fanboi. Sure there are some fanbois over there (mostly teenage n00bs who don't know any better), but it seems to be a much different, more mature crowd. I'm sure the large number of non-Subaru owners in the OT forum helps this out. But most people over there understand that it's just a SUBARU. I personally would rather be driving an M3 than an STi or an RX-8. It's just a better car. I don't feel the need to bash the M3, however, because I am secure with my purchase.

I personally would rather be driving an M3 than an STi or an RX-8. It's just a better car. I don't feel the need to bash the M3, however, because I am secure with my purchase.

I agree with you on this point......neither Mazda or Subaru is building the most desirable cars ever.....they just build really good $30-$35K cars. I would also love to own an M3 or a AMG product........or a 911TT, but right now I can only afford what I have, a Mazda product........and that's ok with me.

Again, I am very, very rarely "an ass" about the RX-8. Go ahead and look back through the threads I post in. I only ever respond to comments from idiot RX-8 owners like 9291150 and roaddemon who post moronic statments like "the STI is for imbeciles" or the Evo is a "kiddie clown car" with a "cheating turbo". If 9291150 didn't demonstrate his idiocy and complete lack of knowledge so much, then you wouldn't need to hear from me when I am trying to balance his idiocy with facts.

What's really funny about all this is on sites like srtforums, I have defended the RX-8 and been called a Mazda fanboi (go ahead, look it up). I do the same thing over there that I do here...when some idiot opens his big mouth and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge on a subject, then I step in to give a little balance.

I guess I'm just used to NASIOC, where you are free to post "the other side of the story" without getting labelled a fanboi. Sure there are some fanbois over there (mostly teenage n00bs who don't know any better), but it seems to be a much different, more mature crowd. I'm sure the large number of non-Subaru owners in the OT forum helps this out. But most people over there understand that it's just a SUBARU. I personally would rather be driving an M3 than an STi or an RX-8. It's just a better car. I don't feel the need to bash the M3, however, because I am secure with my purchase.

I don't really care if you're President of Mazda. If you call the RX-8 a chick car, you're an ass. And I responded to your "moronic statement" in the same way you responded to others.

I agree with Ike. The car is clearly targeted to women more so than the Evo/STi. But 99% of the world is going to interpret the term "chick car" or "good for chicks" or "prissy and feminine" to be derogatory.

...But 99% of the world is going to interpret the term "chick car" or "good for chicks" or "prissy and feminine" to be derogatory.He might have you there Eric. I know there's a pillow biter at my work who giggled uncontrollably a few years back when he overheard me calling his red Mazdaspeed Miata a "girl's car" to another coworker. He actually liked it I think.

I don't really care if you're President of Mazda. If you call the RX-8 a chick car, you're an ass. And I responded to your "moronic statement" in the same way you responded to others.


Of course I meant it to be derogatory! Just wanted to dish it out to you 8 owners like you dish it out to us STi/Evo owners. But that's the only derogatory comment I've made. Oh, and that it looks like the Ambiguously Gay Duo Penis Car. And maybe I said something about it being slow. But that's it, I swear! Now take a look at the derogatory comments coming from the 8 owners.

Just remember this, nobody (Miata owners, VW owners, RSX owners, etc.) think they drive a chick car. But somebody has to be. That's your inspirational nugget for the day.

:grouphug:

If you're looking for a car around 30k and don't even consider the STI or Evo you're not much of an enthusiast if you ask me, at least not when it comes to performance.

Came in for my rum and coke, what a beauty day! Opening my pool in April…praise greenhouse gasses!

…glad to see I irritate you STI guys as much as you irritate me. Anyways, here's the arrogance that I refer to; so I'm not much of an enthusiast because I didn’t consider a STI or Evo eh? Pathetic.

I remember sending Subaru a letter back when they weren’t importing the WRX. I actually have a soft spot for rally cars, my dad used to wrench for the Ford of Europe team before we moved here. But I took a WRX out when they first came in, and realized that the AWD didn’t have the feel I liked. Always a weird transition between understeer and oversteer. Plus, having owned turbos, I hate the inherent way they hang on to revs after a shift, and waiting for the boost to spool is plain annoying. And having taken a 300km round trip to London (Ontario) in a colleague’s STI, I vowed to never buy a car with that stiff a ride. I won’t even get into the fact that IT IS an econocar platform with an econocar interior and body. So I don’t like ‘em, ok?????

But they go to 60 under 5 seconds, so not liking them is TOO HARD to understand for stat jockeys. I’m a bike guy first, so arguing who has the best stats on cars is meaningless to me when even modest bikes can handily dust off any “performance” car. Every generation seems to have a segment that are stat jockeys. I remember the 5.0 guys in my teens were the same types. But in evaluating a car, you don’t even know what you miss. There is a reason why Porsche doesn’t make turbo fours, yet they are still selling comparatively slow Boxters at twice the price. A car is much more than stats, an “enthusiast” would understand this, no?

Ps. Eric, I officially crown you KING OF THE DICKS :)

Ps. Eric, I officially crown you KING OF THE DICKS :)

Glad to hear it! You made my day! That just tells me that I hit the nail on the head with your slow, feminine RX-8!

So then I guess an insecure, immature, whiny baby like yourself who feels the need to go into every thread and disrepect superior cars must be crowned a worthless sack of shit, no?

But they go to 60 under 5 seconds, so not liking them is TOO HARD to understand for stat jockeys.
A car is much more than stats, an “enthusiast” would understand this, no?


You are the only one quoting stats, dumbass. That's twice in this thread that you mentioned that you have a fast bike. Why do you keep bringing up "stat jockeys" when no one but you is talking about stats. Are you that dense?

Came in for my rum and coke, what a beauty day! Opening my pool in April…praise greenhouse gasses!

…glad to see I irritate you STI guys as much as you irritate me. Anyways, here's the arrogance that I refer to; so I'm not much of an enthusiast because I didn’t consider a STI or Evo eh? Pathetic.

I remember sending Subaru a letter back when they weren’t importing the WRX. I actually have a soft spot for rally cars, my dad used to wrench for the Ford of Europe team before we moved here. But I took a WRX out when they first came in, and realized that the AWD didn’t have the feel I liked. Always a weird transition between understeer and oversteer. Plus, having owned turbos, I hate the inherent way they hang on to revs after a shift, and waiting for the boost to spool is plain annoying. And having taken a 300km round trip to London (Ontario) in a colleague’s STI, I vowed to never buy a car with that stiff a ride. I won’t even get into the fact that IT IS an econocar platform with an econocar interior and body. So I don’t like ‘em, ok?????

But they go to 60 under 5 seconds, so not liking them is TOO HARD to understand for stat jockeys. I’m a bike guy first, so arguing who has the best stats on cars is meaningless to me when even modest bikes can handily dust off any “performance” car. Every generation seems to have a segment that are stat jockeys. I remember the 5.0 guys in my teens were the same types. But in evaluating a car, you don’t even know what you miss. There is a reason why Porsche doesn’t make turbo fours, yet they are still selling comparatively slow Boxters at twice the price. A car is much more than stats, an “enthusiast” would understand this, no?

Ps. Eric, I officially crown you KING OF THE DICKS :)



Man, get over it already, and stop the penis envy. I don't have any problem with people criticizing the STI. Hell I do it myself, and I own one. It's about how you do it, and if you want to comment on a car, do it respectfully, and for god's sakes, back up your argument, don't run from it by laying out insults. People may not like the car, but why do they feel the need to rip it rudely? I already know the answer. INSECURITY. Yeah ok, the STI is not pretty. It's also fast reliable, and fun to drive. How can you go wrong with one of these as a second car? The car is flawed, much like the RX8. Every car has flaws. I do however, have problems with personal insults. This isn't about the STI anymore, it's about you being rude and arrogant. I won't resort to laying insults back, but I'm done talking to you, because you really don't have anything constructive to say.
For everyone else. We all have our own preferences regarding cars. Why does everyone have to be so insecure? Constant bashing of a car only means one thing. INSECURITY. This applies to many people, not just one individual. I just don't get the disrespectful, fanboi attitudes. There are lots of cars I'd never buy or want to own, but I am able to look at them and appreciate the intention they are built for. I guess I am a fan of all cars, and I have the ability to ignore negative remarks. I can't however ignore insults, arrogance and ignorance, and the bashing of other cars and their owners to make yourself feel better about your car and yourself. That is generally what takes place on this, and other forums. This guy 9291150 is just another example of that, but being 38 years old, he's in a class by himself.

...I don't have any problem with people criticizing the STI. Hell I do it myself, and I own one. It's about how you do it...There it is. Summed up in a few words. Half of good conversation is delivery. 90210 whatever has all the tact of Mike Tyson at a weigh-in. You tend to overlook the content when the guy on the soap box has his nose in the air and his eyes closed.

Hey Viking, burger king let out? You got no cred man, I said one unfair thing about the STI - calling it a stat toy - and you so go off on me. Meanwhile, your STI buddies don't stop with worse comments about the 8, and you say nothing...no cred. How 'bout you avoid me and I'll do the same with you eh?

If any of you have looked though my posts, you've seen me point out 8 flaws. But if you come on an 8 site and CONSTANTLY thrash the 8, I'll let you have it. Don't like it, EAT ME!

...now back to summer...

Hey Viking, burger king let out? You got no cred man, I said one unfair thing about the STI - calling it a stat toy - and you so go off on me. Meanwhile, your STI buddies don't stop with worse comments about the 8, and you say nothing...no cred. How 'bout you avoid me and I'll do the same with you eh?

If any of you have looked though my posts, you've seen me point out 8 flaws. But if you come on an 8 site and CONSTANTLY thrash the 8, I'll let you have it. Don't like it, EAT ME!

...now back to summer...

Seriously, what planet are you on? No one was thrashing the 8. You come into this thread, completely unprovoked, and proceed to call all STi owners imbeciles. You then proceed to call all of us stat jockeys when you are the only one quoting any stats in this thread. Say what you want about people pointing out the flaws of the RX-8, but none of us call you guys imbeciles for owning one.

Now with this post, you are trying to make it sound like we came in here with the sole purpose of bashing the 8 when the truth is, you were the one coming in here with the sole purpose of bashing the STi. Seriously, what planet are you on where you think you are in the right? But, just keep posting. With every post, you make it clearer and clearer that you are nothing more than an insecure, immature, whiny little baby.

…glad to see I irritate you STI guys as much as you irritate me. Anyways, here's the arrogance that I refer to; so I'm not much of an enthusiast because I didn’t consider a STI or Evo eh? Pathetic.



I qualified my statement...


Reading comprehension > You

Allright, I am going to make an effort to get this thread back on the course it originally was intended: An honest opinion of the STi limited: I saw this thing up close and personal at the NY Auto Show and I liked the appearance and equipped options - much better than the "regular" STi's, IMHO. Before I got my 8 (for the 2nd time, recently), I had heavily leaned towards a used EVO MR and did not really consider the STi. Even though performance was similiar, the EVO had done better in most reviews and I just could not get over how ugly the STi was. The new look of this years model and the addition of this Limited Edition really has changed my mind. I would, of course, reserve final judgement until I drove one, but I really liked what Subaru has done with this model. Now, if they only made it in black...:-(

Not saying all STI guys are like this, but I getting this "aggressive with penis envy" vibe from their posts. "My car is faster than yours, yours is so slow..." Is this a projection on having a small peepee?

It's not a Mercedes S-class, it's supposed to be a sports car. In a sports car that is designed for performance, I would much rather be in tune with the road than isolated from it.

But, the real question here is, why are you so insecure about your car that you feel the need to post in every STi/Evo thread about how much you hate these cars? Obviously there is something about these cars that you fear. These are both cars that are loved by automotive mag writers and car enthusiasts alike. Yet you continually enter these threads to bash and call names. You're 38? More like 8. How about you go back to enjoying your Ambiguously Gay Duo Penis Car.

Allright, I am going to make an effort to get this thread back on the course it originally was intended: An honest opinion of the STi limited: I saw this thing up close and personal at the NY Auto Show and I liked the appearance and equipped options - much better than the "regular" STi's, IMHO. Before I got my 8 (for the 2nd time, recently), I had heavily leaned towards a used EVO MR and did not really consider the STi. Even though performance was similiar, the EVO had done better in most reviews and I just could not get over how ugly the STi was. The new look of this years model and the addition of this Limited Edition really has changed my mind. I would, of course, reserve final judgement until I drove one, but I really liked what Subaru has done with this model. Now, if they only made it in black...:-(


My opinion, I liked everything until they got to the heated leather seats and sunroof. I just don't want that crap weighing down my performance car, which is why Blueeyes is correct about the problem with packages. For instance, if I wanted to buy an Evo IX with HIDs like my Evo VIII has I'd have to buy the SSL package which is 3,120 and includes a heavy amp for the stereo, heavier leather seats, and a heavy sunroof.

And maybe I said something about it being slow.
:grouphug:

Alright...I hear a lot of people say this car is slow.
In my personal opinion, I do not think this car is slow. I can leave traffic FAR FAR behind me shifting before the second port opens up.

Mazda did track tests obviously. Putting the 8 against the 6 (V6) and 3.

Guess who took the holeshot? The six and the three.

Guess who won? The RX-8. If i recall, the mazda6 v6 is very close horsepower wise (what 220 I think the site says and im positive torque is not far from it.) (THIS PORTION WAS PERSONAL OPINION and the track thing was from my friend's father who worked for mazda{currently at suzuki})

I have not driven an STI or EVO. But I personally would take the EVO over the STI just going by looks. They look more aggressive.

I'm only 18, and I am not bashing anything. I chose my RX-8 for many reasons. Feel, comfortability, and I actually test drove the car before I bought it, along with intensive research on them and reviews and what not. I just love the whole feel of the RX-8.

Yeah, that's bias because I have driven neither the STI or the Evolution, and I'm not afraid to admit that. I did however read reviews and looked at specs on both cars. I believe the three cars I was looking at was the RX-8, the Evolution VIII, and I believe the Mazdaspeed6. I just liked the RX-8's features better.

Sorry if this is out of place, but I figured I would break that stereotype of the younger guys "bashing" everyone else's cars that were not a RX-8.

Not saying all STI guys are like this, but I getting this "aggressive with penis envy" vibe from their posts. "My car is faster than yours, yours is so slow..." Is this a projection on having a small peepee? Are we reading the same thread? :Freak_ani

My opinion, I liked everything until they got to the heated leather seats and sunroof. I just don't want that crap weighing down my performance car, which is why Blueeyes is correct about the problem with packages. For instance, if I wanted to buy an Evo IX with HIDs like my Evo VIII has I'd have to buy the SSL package which is 3,120 and includes a heavy amp for the stereo, heavier leather seats, and a heavy sunroof.


Yeah, but if the car can still perform close (or the same) as the standard version (talking the STI now), what's the real sacrifice of the package? The whole point of the Limited Edition is to attract a couple of buyers who shy away from the boy-racerish look and feel of the standard STI. We'll wait for the performance numbers to be published, but I am betting they are almost indistinguishable from each other. Besides, unless it is considerably slower than the original, it would be a sacrifice I would be willing to make...Now the price might not be worth the sacrifice, but that is another topic.

Not saying all STI guys are like this, but I getting this "aggressive with penis envy" vibe from their posts. "My car is faster than yours, yours is so slow..." Is this a projection on having a small peepee?

So, let me get this straight...you are saying that I am envious of a car that I actually own??? :crazy:

My opinion, I liked everything until they got to the heated leather seats and sunroof.

Agreed. If you are interested in those options, maybe you should be looking at a Legacy GT and not an STi.

^^ Maybe so.... the Legacy GT is actually pretty quick. The AWD sports sedan review had the Spec B. at 0-60 in 5.1 I believe. The 1/4mi was something like 13.7 I think. Sharing the long block with the STI... it's pretty easy to get it into STI hp numbers.

isnt the RX8 teh FaSt0rzzz11111

;)

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32292

I think I'm in love...

I tried to read the whole thread before closing it.. but I just couldn't. It was just too freakin obnoxious.

This started out about the Limited STI and went into a "Flame the other guy's car" fest then to a "Hell, who cares about cars, let's just flame the other guy!" fest...

So thread closed..
I'll probably go through and clean it up a little more.

Here's some notes:
STI_Eric: Threads from RX-8 owners stating how much they love their cars should not offend you. This is an RX-8 forum. You should expect those threads.

9291150: Because people don't see things your way doesn't make them idiots/morons/imbeciles/inferiority complex ridden. It just means they may have a different opinion. Take for instance mine, I have an RX-8. I love my RX-8. The STI is an ugly car, but it's a damn fun car to drive and it does the job it is intended to do and that is to give the enthusiast (no matter what age) the closest thing they possibly can get to a rally car. That's what it's for, but that's my opinion.

Anyone else who enjoys flaming: Well.. I love a flamefest just as much as you all do, but they're not allowed here so let's keep em on the SRT-4 forums, can we? :b

Ajax