Hey all,

I started another thread about the differences between the RX8 and the FD that I sold (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=86665).

Everyone said there would be differences and that I should drive one. The wife and I went out today and did just that. To reiterate, I'm not a 'specs' kind of guy, I'm a 'feel' kind of guy. The car just didn't feel fast enough. My favorite experience in driving my FD was the jump from 20mph to 60mph (turning onto the highway). I just couldn't get that 'kick in the pants' feel that I was hoping for. I tried it several times in different gear/rpm ranges and just couldn't get the feel.

The salesman indicated that this was lack of torque in the low end and I'd tend to agree. If they ever bring out a factory FI engine, I'll be all over giving it another shot.

*sigh*. I really wanted a rotary rocket in the stable. Hopefully FI will come our way soon. Any rumors? The salesman indicated that there are rumors of a mazdaspeed RX8. Is he right?

Thanks for all the input everyone. I really did like the car and the phantom blue was really nice. Reminds me of my montego blue FD. *sniff*sniff* </taps>

Thanks again,
BoB

P.S. Any recommendations for a <$50k car that has that 'kick in the pants' acceleration from 20-60?

Elise?

well this has been talked about many times, the 8 is a beautiful car and is fast enough for most of us 8 drivers!!! I think I speak for everyone when I say yes we wish it had more torque, but you can't do anything about it.... Yeah there is a rumor that a Mazdaspeed RX-8 will be developed, but who knows when that will happen.

As for finding a car for 50K... my older brother has a 2005 BMW M3, and I drove it and I can say that it has that "kick in the pants" that your looking for.. beautiful car....

whatever you do Good Luck

Thanks for the suggestions. I want to make it clear to everyone reading that I like the RX8 a great deal, and it can go quite fast. It handles well. It's just not right for me. I want it to be a 1995 RX7 a little too much to be open minded. In that way, I'm wondering if any car under 50k will be good enough. I know my buddy's F360 would be great, but I don't got that kinda scratch. :)

BoB

well you are comparing it to an fd, so two seats is alright.

dont know mayber a VETTE...

beers :beer:

Thanks for the suggestions. I want to make it clear to everyone reading that I like the RX8 a great deal, and it can go quite fast. It handles well. It's just not right for me. I want it to be a 1995 RX7 a little too much to be open minded. In that way, I'm wondering if any car under 50k will be good enough. I know my buddy's F360 would be great, but I don't got that kinda scratch. :)

BoB

Go drive an Evo 9, even if you hate the way they look you should check it out.

Elise?

Forgot to mention, torque is a problem but horsepower is the bigger problem IMO. The S2000 is a perfect example of that, it has very little torque but still has nice pull up top which the RX-8 lacks.

Mustang Shelby Cobra GT 500 (or whatever they are going to call it)

second on the s2k

2005 mazdaspeed miata?

nothing will kick your pants more than an ariel atom (0-60 in 2.9 seconds) and it'll smash the hell out of your buddy's 360 and rip your head off in the process, but it's very impractical unless all you plan to do with it is go for joyrides. costs just shy of 50 grand.

other alternative rides might include... a jag XK (not sure of the price), a porsche boxter... a vette, a mercedes SLK 350 roadster (or drop 10 grand more and get the SLK 55 with nearly 400 hp), the bmw M3 already mentioned, the upcoming M version of the BMW Z4 with a hardtop, a regular Z4 (ugly), an evo or a wrx sti (don't look classy)

If I had the money and wasn't already obsessed with the RX-8 I would invest in an Elise or either mecedes SLK, small, fast and fun, and... they kick you in the pants.

you could also just get another FD...

http://www.auto-sfondi-desktop.com/Wallpapers_Lotus_/Lotus-Elise-II/Lotus-Elise-II-02/Lotus-Elise-II-02_800.jpg

http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pages/chevrolet_c6_zo6.htm

BAM! brand new ZO6

Thanks Ike for once again knowing everything about cars you've never owned.

http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pages/chevrolet_c6_zo6.htm

BAM! brand new ZO6

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http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=1316360&postcount=5

beers :beer:

My 93 FD was Montego Blue as well, sorry you didn't want to stay with the Rotary. You could get one and turbocharge it yourself.

Thanks Ike for once again knowing everything about cars you've never owned.

You're welcome, someone around here has to know what they're talking about and we all know it sure as hell isn't going to be you.

I love Elise, but it also has a low torque as they basically uses celica's engine in order to meet US emission requirement. Reason they are fast is because they are very light. Basically the ratio is 1 horsepower for 12 pounds weight. For your price range, I'd suggest Evo or STI. BTW, I do like Concept X's look.

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:mdrmed:

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=1316360&postcount=5

beers :beer:


......... you're joking right :squint:

Hey all,

I started another thread about the differences between the RX8 and the FD that I sold (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=86665).

Everyone said there would be differences and that I should drive one. The wife and I went out today and did just that. To reiterate, I'm not a 'specs' kind of guy, I'm a 'feel' kind of guy. The car just didn't feel fast enough. My favorite experience in driving my FD was the jump from 20mph to 60mph (turning onto the highway). I just couldn't get that 'kick in the pants' feel that I was hoping for. I tried it several times in different gear/rpm ranges and just couldn't get the feel.

The salesman indicated that this was lack of torque in the low end and I'd tend to agree. If they ever bring out a factory FI engine, I'll be all over giving it another shot.

*sigh*. I really wanted a rotary rocket in the stable. Hopefully FI will come our way soon. Any rumors? The salesman indicated that there are rumors of a mazdaspeed RX8. Is he right?

Thanks for all the input everyone. I really did like the car and the phantom blue was really nice. Reminds me of my montego blue FD. *sniff*sniff*I'm sorry—but didn't Mazda make a big stink over the fact that the 8 was NOT a replacement for the RX-7?

"Progeny of both the RX-Evolv and RX-01 show cars, the Hiroshima-built RX-8 isn't meant to be a direct replacement for the RX-7 — although Mazda is not ruling out the possibility of a successor. Rather, it's a very capable-handling, affordable rear-drive sports car with room for four people, with ingenious doors to admit those people."
—Road & Track, April 2003

Guess I'm the only one who caught that.

I'm sorry—but didn't Mazda make a big stink over the fact that the 8 was NOT a replacement for the RX-7? Guess I'm the only one who caught that.

Who is saying that the 8 is the replacement for the 7? If you think the original poster is saying that, you're insane or retarded. Sounded to me like he was the most open minded FD owner I've ever seen.

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/pictures/pictlaautoshow/bluefrontaa.jpg

To get the kick-in-the-pants feel you need torque. Plain and simple. Knowing that, you can now cross all small displacement motors off your list (unless they're blown). S2000s, Elises, Boxsters (unless it's an "S") will NOT give you what your FD did.

I think that in your quest for the perfect car, you'll find out by driving most of the choices that several will fall short of the "feel" the RX-8 gives you- the handling/ride balance is really top notch versus all the competitors.

Honestly, your best bet might be a used NSX. Basically the same torque as the twin turbo 7...that is, higher up in the range, yet still somewhat of a flat curve. The car itself is nice and stiff, yet it doesn't ride harshly at all. You should be able to find several '00 or '01s for right around your price ceiling.

Who is saying that the 8 is the replacement for the 7? If you think the original poster is saying that, you're insane or retarded.Well you're wrong. I think the original poster is saying just that—and I can assure you that I'm not "insane or retarded". (You have a real gift for words, by the way.) Sounds to me like the original poster is disappointed the 8 is not a 7:

"I started another thread about the differences between the RX8 and the FD that I sold… my favorite experience in driving my FD was the jump from 20mph to 60mph (turning onto the highway). I just couldn't get that 'kick in the pants' feel that I was hoping for. I tried it several times in different gear/rpm ranges and just couldn't get the feel…*sigh*. I really wanted a rotary rocket in the stable."

......... you're joking right :squint:


yep,
wtf this whole thing is shot to hell. :cwm27:

beers :beer:

You're welcome, someone around here has to know what they're talking about and we all know it sure as hell isn't going to be you.

Ok Ike, the S2000 is faster than the 8 because of the hp or is it because of the lighter weight and the gear ratio?

Ok Ike, the S2000 is faster than the 8 because of the hp or is it because of the lighter weight and the gear ratio?

i would go with the honda hp is closer to the ad than mazdas.

check my sig. i love my car. the truth hurts sometimes.

and notice the thread starter is gone. it is one of THOSE THREADS... stir the coals.

beers :beer:

S2000s get a consistent 15-20 more whp than an rx8's dyno, and it's about 200 lbs less, so it's a combination. Not sure about the gear ratios.

Now if Mazda would make a 2500-2700 lb roadster with a Renesis...

What Raptor said, gearing plays a small part as well. Mostly it's just good ole wheel horsepower.

S2000s get a consistent 15-20 more whp than an rx8's dyno, and it's about 200 lbs less, so it's a combination. Not sure about the gear ratios.

Now if Mazda would make a 2500-2700 lb roadster with a Renesis...


the gearing is 4.10s

Elise?

Why do people insist on comparing the NA 8 to the FI FD?

Apparently the final drive ratio is 4.44

Well you're wrong. I think the original poster is saying just that—and I can assure you that I'm not "insane or retarded". (You have a real gift for words, by the way.) Sounds to me like the original poster is disappointed the 8 is not a 7:

"I started another thread about the differences between the RX8 and the FD that I sold… my favorite experience in driving my FD was the jump from 20mph to 60mph (turning onto the highway). I just couldn't get that 'kick in the pants' feel that I was hoping for. I tried it several times in different gear/rpm ranges and just couldn't get the feel…*sigh*. I really wanted a rotary rocket in the stable."

There's too many people that are too defensive about their cars. This guy isn't flaming the 8 or anything or the sort. Sounded like he had a great car, was encouraged to go test drive one, did, realized that the 8 just didn't live up to his expectations in the "kick in the pants" department, and then came here to get some advice from some people that would hopefully know more than he does about where the 8 is headed or some alternative cars. What is wrong with that?

You shouldn't have to be a certified expert on the 8 to have expectations and thoughts about the 8. Comparing it to the FD is probably apples to oranges in some ways, but there's nothing wrong with someone trying to do so when they're early in the game and don't know a ton about the 8.

You shouldn't have to be a certified expert on the 8 to have expectations and thoughts about the 8. Comparing it to the FD is probably apples to oranges in some ways, but there's nothing wrong with someone trying to do so when they're early in the game and don't know a ton about the 8.[/QUOTE]


what he said.. :)

You're welcome, someone around here has to know what they're talking about and we all know it sure as hell isn't going to be you.

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the gearing is 4.10s

Final drive...but the 6spd's ratios on the S2000 are shorter and closer than the 8's.

To get the kick-in-the-pants feel you need torque. Plain and simple. Knowing that, you can now cross all small displacement motors off your list (unless they're blown). S2000s, Elises, Boxsters (unless it's an "S") will NOT give you what your FD did.

Wow, that's got to be one of the most ignorant posts I've read on this forum. And that's saying a lot with the likes of roaddemon, 9291150, rotorocket, and wantan8 posting here. Obiviously you have never driven an Elise. I can assure you that it gives you that kick-in-the-pants feel in any gear. I'm sure the Ariel Atom (a car suggested in this thread) gives you that kick-in-the-pants feel even though it "only" has a wee little 2.0 liter engine and "only" 220 hp. And, I'm guessing that the 2.4 liter N/A engines being used in F1 cars just may give a little bit of a kick in the pants.

To the OP -
Z06, Boxster S, MB SLK, Cobra GT500, Ariel Atom, XK8, Z4 M, and M3 either already have an MSRP over your $50K limit, or adding ANY options will put you over $50K.

If you are looking for a car that is actually under $50K and will give you a kick in the pants, you have plenty to choose from, including: STi, Evo, base Corvette, GTO, just about any of the SRT vehicles (SRT4, Crossfire SRT6, 300C SRT8, Charger SRT8, Magnum SRT8, Cherokee SRT8), Crustang GT, IS350, 350Z. And, one that I am keeping an eye on is the soon-to-be released twin turbo BMW 335i.

Don't hold your breath on a FI RX-8.

I highly highly doubt that there will be an FI RX8 (mazdaspeed or whatever...)

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Awwww doers the poor widdle fanboi not wike it when I don't talk about the RX-8 like it's a wocket ship.

i would go with the honda hp is closer to the ad than mazdas.

check my sig. i love my car. the truth hurts sometimes.

and notice the thread starter is gone. it is one of THOSE THREADS... stir the coals.

beers :beer:

I'm not gone. I'm reading carefully. Nobody asked me a question and I'm not trying to get into flame wars. Just trying to get info.

BoB

S2000s get a consistent 15-20 more whp than an rx8's dyno, and it's about 200 lbs less, so it's a combination. Not sure about the gear ratios.

Now if Mazda would make a 2500-2700 lb roadster with a Renesis...

The sticker in the door of my car says the weight is 3810. It would be pretty amazing if they dropped 1000 pounds.

The sticker in the door of my car says the weight is 3810. It would be pretty amazing if they dropped 1000 pounds.

That's the GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight). That's the maximum recommended total weight of your car including passengers and cargo. The actual weight of the 8 is right about 3,000 lbs depending on options.

^^

silly bunny

Guess I'd better do more than just glance at my sticker next time. LOL

That's the GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight). That's the maximum recommended total weight of your car including passengers and cargo. The actual weight of the 8 is right about 3,000 lbs depending on options.


I thought I heard the around 3000 pounds weight before and then I happened to notice the 3800 on the sticker but was getting out of my car at the time to get somewhere so I didn't actually stop and read it over carefully.

I know I have a ton of options packed in there but I didn't think I had that much extra weight. Guess I was right in thinking that sounded a little off. LOL

I highly highly doubt that there will be an FI RX8 (mazdaspeed or whatever...)I'm right there with you.
My feeling is that the only FI RX-8s we will see are going to be the aftermarket ones. I really hope I'll have to eat my words sometime - alas, that doesn't seem to be likely.
Oh well - I still like my car. A lot, actually.

Awwww doers the poor widdle fanboi not wike it when I don't talk about the RX-8 like it's a wocket ship.

We just don't like it when you talk. Especially when you come on like you're America's answer to Jeremy Clarkson because you've test-driven a few cars.

Wow, that's got to be one of the most ignorant posts I've read on this forum. And that's saying a lot with the likes of roaddemon, 9291150, rotorocket, and wantan8 posting here. Obiviously you have never driven an Elise. I can assure you that it gives you that kick-in-the-pants feel in any gear. I'm sure the Ariel Atom (a car suggested in this thread) gives you that kick-in-the-pants feel even though it "only" has a wee little 2.0 liter engine and "only" 220 hp. And, I'm guessing that the 2.4 liter N/A engines being used in F1 cars just may give a little bit of a kick in the pants.



I never said the Elise wasn't quick. Of course it will be; that Yamaha mill only has to move 19xx pounds. Doesn't mean it slams you back in your seat like a Viper; which is exactly the feel that Bob was seeking.

As for the 2.4s in F1 cars, nope they don't kick. Ask any of the drivers in the field whether they jump out of corners like the 3.0s or 3.5s did years back. They rev to 19K and make their 700 hp at the top of the rev band.

Why don't you learn a little something before you go criticizing those more knowledgeable than you, you dumbass. Put that in your sig dickhead.

LOL

it's :Kill2: :Kill1: :uzi: :ar: :rl: time

Well despite all the flames, I thought I might deposit my two cents. My car has now cost me well under the original posters $50k limit. As of this weekend, I now have no problem keeping up with my buddy's 280hp Evo. Maybe even take him. You want kick in the pants? Throw $2k at your car and turbo it. IMHO you will have a car that is superiour to a FD, and I am not just talking acceleration.

...I thought I might deposit my two cents...

Hey, why is it that you throw in your two cents, but it's only a penny for your thoughts?

Somebody's making a penny...

Hey, why is it that you throw in your two cents, but it's only a penny for your thoughts?

Somebody's making a penny...


That would be me. Seeing as I am his posting agent, I get half of all the money he makes. I'm rich bitch!

^hahaha..damn how can i fall into a gig like that?

i would go with the honda hp is closer to the ad than mazdas.

check my sig. i love my car. the truth hurts sometimes.

and notice the thread starter is gone. it is one of THOSE THREADS... stir the coals.

beers :beer:

Actually the truth doesn't hurt me coz I was thinking whether losing weight and changing the final gear might get close to the acceleration of a S2000.

Actually the truth doesn't hurt me coz I was thinking whether losing weight and changing the final gear might get close to the acceleration of a S2000.

was not aimed at you, but the rx8 itself. the hp #s are overstated. still love mine.

beers :beer:

Well despite all the flames, I thought I might deposit my two cents. My car has now cost me well under the original posters $50k limit. As of this weekend, I now have no problem keeping up with my buddy's 280hp Evo. Maybe even take him. You want kick in the pants? Throw $2k at your car and turbo it. IMHO you will have a car that is superiour to a FD, and I am not just talking acceleration.

blowing away an evo or sti isnt hard.....when driving my fd.
i really want to see/drive/race a turbo 8 to see how they are.

to the original poster: too bad you didnt like the 8, its a great car and has enough power up top to keep me happy. to get the feeling i know your after, the vette is probably the next best choice. you could get a previous model Z06 and do some mods and have plenty of :balls: and have cash left over.

i dont remember if you said you were looking for a toy car or a DD?

i would just have to guess that you wouldnt go for an evo/sti after having your fd but i could be wrong.

Akin to what carbonRX8 said... if you want the best combination of looks and performance, you're not likely going to find anything. You're going to have to pick something that is mostly what you want and mod it up for the rest. That being said...

2005/6 Mustang GT
- Before anyone slams it on handling, everyone who has driven old Fox body Mustangs and then the new one do say that it has a big improvement. Well-modded fox body Mustangs have done well in racing like SCCA. The new Mustang has a more ridged chassis and better suspension setup. No.. no IRS... it was skipped for costs on the V6 and when it came to the upcoming GT500... they decided it wasn't necessary (don't fix it if it ain't broke) seeing how well the car has been doing in racing. If you don't mind the exterior and can take the interior (one of the sticking points with many), then you should test drive one... with the thought in mind that you are going to mod the hell out of the suspension (Ford Racing, Saleen, Steeda...). It won't be as nimble as the RX-8... too big and heavy for that, but it's lighter than the GTO and supposedly the GTO handles well, but feels heavy. Another bonus is that you can always pickup a supercharger from Saleen for an underrated 400hp (more like 400whp) and keep the factory warranty or go with the very reliable Kenne Bell kits for 523hp (445whp) with potential for 850hp.

RX-8
- As someone has mentioned... you can always fix your lack of power by adding aftermarket FI. The popular GReddy turbo kit is a very good bargain. With the research and mods made by MadDog and MazdaManiac, the is reported to be very useable running the eManage. If you want more (including cost!) for your piggybacked standalone ECU then the Interceptor-X is the leading one availablem, although there appears to be others in development. There is talk of development of an ECU flasher from a few sources and a thread on open source development of one. There are also three supercharger solutions in development... Pettit, Richard Paul's Axial Flow and Hymee's Twin Screw.

Legacy GT
- Personally I'd take one of these over an STi anyday. More room (not important for people who are open to 2 seaters), more luxury and MUCH better looks. Yeah it's heavier and only got 250hp, but the long block is shared with the STi. Hitting STi power levels and beyond aren't that big a task. Handling is reportedly not bad... particularly in Spec B trim... but as the car mags said, you should get the GT and mod the suspension yourself for better handling at a lower cost.

EvoIX
- I'm in Japan and have been seeing this bodystyle since the Evo VII. It's gotten old. Some days I think it's not so bad and others I feel like it's total rice. Interior... design could be better, but... the Evo Wagon I checked out at the past Tokyo Motorshow was actually quite nice with all leather. So maybe it's not so bad... but I'd want to wait for the EvoX if I could.

350Z
- The first few years had really cheap interiors, but the word is that they have gotten much better now. The ass is a bit big on that car and I'm not a big fan of the dash design... nor do I care for 2 seaters. Those aside... not a bad car. People say it feels heavy, but the VQ35 has ample power and torque... particularly in the current model year car the upper end has gotten better. Plenty of mods available for this motor from exhaust to turbos to heads/valves/cams (there is a NISMO package).

G35c
- I'd take this over the 350Z on looks, luxury and it has backseats (even if a little short on headroom).

Imprezza WRX STi
- I can't deny it's performance, but the looks both inside and out just don't do it for me. Not to mention that they are a dime a dozen here and they all have loud free flowing exhaust blatting out their trademark boxer engine sound (which I used to love on air-cooled Porsches, but have come to dislike on Subarus).

GTO
- Who can complain about 400hp? The car is a bit heavy and the exterior styling could put you to sleep, but this car won't have any problems pushing you back in your seat as you merge onto the highway. The appearance package helps some with the looks and the interior looks nice from what I've seen and the word is that it IS nice. Pricing on these is good too.

Corvette
- I dunno... just never been a Vette fan. The latest car is the best yet, but I can't get too excited about it. It's a great performance value.... but I'd rather get something else for the money.

I'm confused...... How does the RX8 lack its HP up top when that's where it take full advantage of its HP? The truth is that S2000 is a little faster because its about 200lbs lighter. Atleast the S2000 is one car that's a little faster plus it has looks. Can't say for some of the other "Fast and Ugly" that are talked about on here.

But to the thread started, I would go with a Vette if you're looking for something in that price range. Looks like it will give you plenty of what you want.

hey guys, i'm looking to buy an rx8 myself. But after reading some threads, its obvious that the rx8 is lacking in torque. So in that case, would it be possible to get this torque (or "kick in the pants") feel by just adding a turbo and a few modifications? Also is it advisible to put a turbo on one?

thanks for any replies guys!

*BTW - I was looking at some other cars, and a cheap little car that has that feel you might want is the VW GTI. I keep reading how it has torque all over the revbrand. I don't know if its true, but it might be what you are looking for maybe?

hey guys, i'm looking to buy an rx8 myself. But after reading some threads, its obvious that the rx8 is lacking in torque. So in that case, would it be possible to get this torque (or "kick in the pants") feel by just adding a turbo and a few modifications? Also is it advisible to put a turbo on one?

thanks for any replies guys!

*BTW - I was looking at some other cars, and a cheap little car that has that feel you might want is the VW GTI. I keep reading how it has torque all over the revbrand. I don't know if its true, but it might be what you are looking for maybe?

Go drive one if it feels lacking you're better off going with a different car. Unless you don't care about things like a warranty and have a decent amount of dispossable income it's usually not best to add FI to N/A cars.

it's usually not best to add FI to N/A cars. He just doesn't want a "slow" RX8 hanging with his evo.:spank:

I never said the Elise wasn't quick. Of course it will be; that Yamaha mill only has to move 19xx pounds. Doesn't mean it slams you back in your seat like a Viper; which is exactly the feel that Bob was seeking.

As for the 2.4s in F1 cars, nope they don't kick. Ask any of the drivers in the field whether they jump out of corners like the 3.0s or 3.5s did years back. They rev to 19K and make their 700 hp at the top of the rev band.

Why don't you learn a little something before you go criticizing those more knowledgeable than you, you dumbass. Put that in your sig dickhead.

Riiiight...I'm not the moron claiming that a Viper will put you back in your seat but an F1 car won't. Have a nice ride on the short bus this morning!

I doubt you're out of kindergarten yet, but let me explain a little about a subject called "physics" (go ahead, say it with me; it's pronounced like fizz-iks). That push-you-in-your-seat feeling is directly proportional to the vehicle's rate of acceleration. The faster you accelerate, the more g force you will incur. The higher the g force, the more of a push-back-in-your-seat feeling you get. The 2006 Viper SRT-10 Coupe does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and can incur acceleration g forces up to 0.94g. An F1 car, on the other hand, does 0-60 in 2 seconds, 0-100 in 3.6, and produces g forces in excess of 1.4g up to 200 km/h.

See, you lose. So much for being smarter than me. kthxbye.

was not aimed at you, but the rx8 itself. the hp #s are overstated. still love mine.

beers :beer:

No worries mate, didn't take it personally :40oz:

People who buy RX-8's have more considerations in mind than just a "kick in the pants".

P.S. Any recommendations for a <$50k car that has that 'kick in the pants' acceleration from 20-60?

You have to ask??

Ever heard of a Mustang?

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/ford_mustang_gtpremiumcoupe_2006/17321/style_overview.html;_ylt=AitSa0cKauyk5d4CE.MOHFPwd 78F

saxon

http://www.forcedfed.com/elise/images/elisepic.jpg

A CPO M3 is the ticket.
http://www.bmwusa.com/cpo/cpomain?navid=cpo

http://www.forcedfed.com/elise/images/elisepic.jpg

$42,990

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/aic/ford_mustang_gtpremiumcoupe_2006_385x192.jpg

$26,320

BOTH cars... 0-60: 4.9 secs.

Oh right, I forgot acceleration is all that matters.

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http://www.escrappers.com/images/popsicle.jpg

Both contain water -- which would you rather have?

If you compare everything on paper, you might as well die now.

I'm confused...... How does the RX8 lack its HP up top when that's where it take full advantage of its HP? The truth is that S2000 is a little faster because its about 200lbs lighter. Atleast the S2000 is one car that's a little faster plus it has looks. Can't say for some of the other "Fast and Ugly" that are talked about on here.

But to the thread started, I would go with a Vette if you're looking for something in that price range. Looks like it will give you plenty of what you want.


I can add 200lbs worth of weight to my trunk and still be faster then my RX8 was. It's definitely a combo of more accurate stated HP and reduced weight. the 04+ models are actually noticable faster then the RX8, even when I have a passenger in my S2K, I can feel the extra ummph that I didnt' have with my rx8 when I was in car alone. You can just feel the extra 10whp or so.

It's closer to 20whp more.

And, one that I am keeping an eye on is the soon-to-be released twin turbo BMW 335i.


I thought BMW was all about NOT using FI? :dunno:

FS

P.S. Any recommendations for a <$50k car that has that 'kick in the pants' acceleration from 20-60?

There once was a guy named BoB-O,
Who felt that the 8 was too slow.
Since his pants need a kickin'
To keep his heart tickin'
I would offer three words: Gee-Tee-Oh.

Seriously, dude... we have one of each (RX-8 and GTO). The 8 is quick, nimble, light, and tossable, but the GTO is ... well, breathtaking right where the 8 is lacking.

My name is Aratinga, and I'm a horsepower ho. ;)

I can add 200lbs worth of weight to my trunk and still be faster then my RX8 was. It's definitely a combo of more accurate stated HP and reduced weight. the 04+ models are actually noticable faster then the RX8, even when I have a passenger in my S2K, I can feel the extra ummph that I didnt' have with my rx8 when I was in car (http:///#) alone. You can just feel the extra 10whp or so.That's ok with me. I've seen what the two can do on a track(And the S2000 wasn't spanking anyone). If an S2000 is 0.1-0.3 seconds faster in the straight line, then so be it. Its not like it's the only other car in this world that's a little faster than the 8 in a straight line. :uhh:

Obviously...
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74455&stc=1

If you compare everything on paper, you might as well die now.

Even on paper, Elise>>>>>Crustang.
Why would any car enthusiast want a teenage girl's dreamcar (aka a Mustang)?


I thought BMW was all about NOT using FI?

Not any more. I have a feeling we will be seeing more FI so that they can keep up with MB's AMG line.

There once was a guy named BoB-O,
Who felt that the 8 was too slow.
Since his pants need a kickin'
To keep his heart tickin'
I would offer three words: Gee-Tee-Oh.

:score:

Kudos! No opinion on the content, but the form is wonderful! That's what we need around here, more limericks!!!

Bob...you've created a monster! :mdrmed:

Aratinga: Your best post EVER!!

Bob: If you want small and sport, I'd look into the Elise. (someone had to agree with Raptor)
If you want something a little bigger in size: Your top two choices have got to be some good 'ol fashioned American Muscle... Vette or GTO