Just got new Road&Track!! They think the "Kabura" is the next RX-7!!! They have three pages of pics in the article. I think this might be what we all have been waiting for. GO GET IT!!! I want one.....

REPOS.... ah forget it....

Speculation is that a production Kabura will most likely be called RX-7

still just theories at this point, and also, as it stands right now, the kabura is powered by the the same 4banger that in the mx5. the zealots will revolt if the next rx-7 doesn't have a rotary engine in it.

lol^^^
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anybody has pictures of it?

They asked Mazda!!! Its on front cover and page 5. Then the article is on page 48-49&51. New pics!!! NEW BUZZ!! You have to read...

You have to read...


yup, you do

R&T article (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=3238)
An RX without a rotary is heresy. It'll never happen.

R&T article (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=3238)
An RX without a rotary is heresy. It'll never happen.

Exactly, that's why the Senku makes much more sense, if even that...

http://www.mazda.co.jp/motorshow/eng/senku/index.html

R&T article (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=3238)
An RX without a rotary is heresy. It'll never happen.

I don't know about heresy, but yeah. How does that even make sense? It's not a rotary engine so how can it be an RX? I don't see how one could come to the conclusion that it's a new RX-7...Not very excited about it.

my milkshake brings all the girls to the yard, and they're like, its better than yours, dam right, its better than yours, I can teach you but I have to charge...

R&T article (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=3238)
An RX without a rotary is heresy. It'll never happen.

that's where my earlier quote came from

waits for it..............

It would love the Senku, I think we will see it.

The article and pics are not the same as on line.

the senku is hideous, I'd rather buy a tercel than something that looks that ugly... looks like the aborted offspring of a minivan that got raped by a bugatti veyron.

the Kabura concept has nothing to do with the RX-7 and is instead probably destined to be the next iteration of the MX-3 that went out of production in the mid 90's. That makes it basically a hatchback version of the MX-5 with performance to match. I think it's really attractive, but who knows if they'll make it.

NOTE: this isn't speculation on my part, this is what motor trend reported in their latest issue.

quote from the offical mazda media site (registration required) (http://www.media.mazda.com/product_info/index2_e.html?menu_motor_e=motorshow_e)

Were the KABURA design study to achieve production status, it would likely be a stand-alone product rather than an extension of any existing model line.

until i'm proven wrong, i'm going with mazda's word on the matter over R&T's. but i guess it could happen.

senku and kabura imo are so damn ugly. They dont even hold a candle to how awesome the rx8 looks

They asked the designer "Would you like it to be the next RX-7"? " We made sure it could house a Rotary."

I will cry if the kabura is suppose to be the new 7. Mazda can come up with something better then that.

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senku and kabura imo are so damn ugly. They dont even hold a candle to how awesome the rx8 looks

Thats what I also thought until what the production version may look like. Ah, the picture in the magazine is much better, sorry for the horrible quality, does not do the design justice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/tiltmode43/kbr.gif

edit: I too would be a bit disappointed i f this becomes the reincarnation of the rx-7. I would hope for somehting that stays close to its roots and resembles the FD (best rx7 design IMO)

Looks like an RX-8/G35/350Z lovechild.

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obviously the concept vehicle if it were to make it into production will be slightly different.. but the basics would remain.. look at what the rx8 concept looked like in 1999 or 2000.. it's a bit different now so if kabura goes into production it will also be different (especially the weird interior they were pushing)


MrJynx

... and I wonder why this thread is still alive.. lol

Thanks "tiltmode43" for posting the pic. Can you post the whole article,and pics?

the next rx-7?
emphasis mine
here's what the next rx-7 may look like.
emphasis mine

conjecture on their part to sell magazines.

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You bastard! That's MY line!

You bastard! That's MY line!
You were late for the party. :mdrmed:

Thanks "tiltmode43" for posting the pic. Can you post the whole article,and pics?

Can you just look at the rx8 news forum?

You bastard! That's MY line!

In all fairness, he did ask if "you" liked pie.

I am Spartacus.

the designer said it himself in the article:

Whe we approached this project, we had no intentions for this being an rx7. It's a unique new sports car concept to fit between the mx-5 and rx-8. That said, in my mind, it could be an rx7 replacement because we did make sure it could house a rotary. What we wanted to do with the Kabura was to contemporize and modernize mazda's sports-car theme. So sure, this car could work as the basis for an rx-7 replacement, but the rx-7 needs to be a more pure sports car than this.

so what he's saying, (to which the writers completely twisted and distorted) is not that the kabura will be the next rx-7, but that the next rx-7 car could be based off the kabura platform.

the writers seemed to have done this deliberately, which makes it, in my eyes at least, irresponsible journalism. R&T get an F- for this article. :(

call me crazy, but the rx name so far has noted the particular iteration of the model. Hence Rotary eXperiment 1, rx-2, rx-3, and so on. The rx-8 is the 8th iteration of mazda's rotary experiment, so in all honesty, I think we'd see a rx-9 before another rx-7.

Here's (http://www.mazda.com/history/rotary/n1-1.html) a history lesson for those who need it

The only reason mazda would want to bring back the rx-7 name is because it has market presence, but what does that do to the rx-8 and future lines? Why not just call them all rx-7's and be done with it? The japanese are typically steeped in some very deep tradition and I'm willing to bet the rx name will continue with the same incremental moniker until mazda (or ford) kills the product.

So, it's doubtful we'll see another rx-7 unless it's based on the 13B engine design.

my 2c.

I think with all the horespower wars (and price hikes that go with it) with Toyota, BMW, Infiniti, etc, AND the extremely great reception of the Kabura with the auto press and journalists, Mazda will make the Kabura to counter "the more power thing and higher price direction" with a driver oriented affordable sports coupe that falls btw the MX-5 and the RX-8. This strategy seems like a recipe for success and a lesson learned for Mazda.

what'd fly is if they brough back the FD/RX7, gave a technological makeover, kept the same appearance for the most part lightened it ( aluminum/carbon fiber body ) and brought the passenger compartment up to 2006 standards and stuck a turbo chager renesis in it... that would make my day.... I'd aslo see the thing commanding the 75,000 MSRP again too.

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Oh yeah!!!! Especially cream pies. LOL

what'd fly is if they brough back the FD/RX7, gave a technological makeover, kept the same appearance for the most part lightened it ( aluminum/carbon fiber body ) and brought the passenger compartment up to 2006 standards and stuck a turbo chager renesis in it... that would make my day.... I'd aslo see the thing commanding the 75,000 MSRP again too.


I could only see that as a limited edition collector kind of a thing with not very many made, like a special anniversary kind of a thing. It wouldn't be a regular production car.

Oh yeah!!!! Especially cream pies. LOL
Mmmmm, banana cream pie....

Thats what I also thought until what the production version may look like. Ah, the picture in the magazine is much better, sorry for the horrible quality, does not do the design justice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/tiltmode43/kbr.gif

edit: I too would be a bit disappointed i f this becomes the reincarnation of the rx-7. I would hope for somehting that stays close to its roots and resembles the FD (best rx7 design IMO)
looks like a cheap 350z/ I mean I dont speak on behalf of the all the drivers in the world. I personally think these designs are all ugly. Way too over done

mazda will come out with a winner. They are on a roll with their line up.

And the senku looks like nothing. like a mold that was forgotten about. Doubt we will see that.

I think it's ugly, to the point that you feel sorry for it.

If Mazda releases the Senku, it will bomb as bad as the Honda EP3 civic. NOBODY LIKES A FRIGGAN MINI MINIVAN LOOKING CAR!

Here is a video of the car...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/PopUpVideoPlayer/videoID=20030915/pageCode=videopopup/articleId=108811

the designer said it himself in the article:

so what he's saying, (to which the writers completely twisted and distorted) is not that the kabura will be the next rx-7, but that the next rx-7 car could be based off the kabura platform.

the writers seemed to have done this deliberately, which makes it, in my eyes at least, irresponsible journalism. R&T get an F- for this article. :(

after having read the article as well... I have to agree 100% on this, the writer is basically just like a creationist advocate, he makes up ideas in his mind and then twists every fact he can fact by as much as necesary to prove that he is right.

it's the same thing as a football comentator saying "and here comes the touchdown" as soon as a team goes on offense. They should fire the person that wrote such a piece of crap.

call me crazy, but the rx name so far has noted the particular iteration of the model. Hence Rotary eXperiment 1, rx-2, rx-3, and so on. The rx-8 is the 8th iteration of mazda's rotary experiment, so in all honesty, I think we'd see a rx-9 before another rx-7.


There was no RX-6. There was an RX-5 which was also another name for the same car with a different engine. Even the RX-3 was offered with a piston engine under a different name. There was an R100 as well as an R130 for 2 years which was the only front wheel drive rotary (13A). There was also a rotary pickup and let's not forget the Cosmo Sport. The RX-7 had 3 generations. No other car had more than 1. Based on all this information I just don't see how anyone can draw a conclusion that the next rotary car would be called an RX-9. The RX-8 was not the 8th rotary car in the lineup. The RX-7 name is a legend. It alone would help sell cars.

There was no RX-6. There was an RX-5 which was also another name for the same car (#) with a different engine (#). Even the RX-3 was offered with a piston engine under a different name. There was an R100 as well as an R130 for 2 years which was the only front wheel drive (#) rotary (13A). There was also a rotary pickup and let's not forget the Cosmo Sport. The RX-7 (#) had 3 generations. No other car had more than 1. Based on all this information I just don't see how anyone can draw a conclusion that the next rotary car would be called an RX-9. The RX-8 (#) was not the 8th rotary car in the lineup. The RX-7 name is a legend. It alone would help sell cars.I agree. Reguardless of the perfomance of the car, slap an RX-7 badge on it and itll sell more than any other name.

I agree the RX-7 name is a legend with all kinds of fanfare for the drivers who understand how great it was. But am I wrong in saying that there are many people out there who perceive the RX-7 as an unreliable model because of the hype of all the blown engines?

If that's the case, it would cost a few dollars to convince those naysayers otherwise. I think the rotary engine with a turbo attached to it still needs to prove its durability to the average consumer.

the bad name seems to come from the FD model, how reliable was the FC turbo?

I agree the RX-7 name is a legend with all kinds of fanfare for the drivers who understand how great it was. But am I wrong in saying that there are many people out there who perceive the RX-7 as an unreliable model because of the hype of all the blown engines?

If that's the case, it would cost a few dollars to convince those naysayers otherwise. I think the rotary engine with a turbo attached to it still needs to prove its durability to the average consumer.
I dont know much about RX-7 guess I should but someone once told me; "they have a tendency to snap there crank shafts due to the fact that they have 3 rotors so its small." is that true?

The only snapped eccentric shafts I've ever seen were on some insanely high horsepower rotaries. If Able Ibarra can make 1000 hp from a 2 rotor and not snap one, that's pretty strong. No RX-7 ever had 3 rotors from the factory.

There is alot of misinformation about rotaries. Alot of the reliability issues popped up from the early rotaries such as the R100, R130, Cosmo, RX-2, etc. Back then seal technology wasn't what it is now. The first rotary powered cars were the NSU RO-80's which were unreliable. Apex seals used to be replaced all the time with them. The unreliability thing stuck as a result much in the same way as many people still think Harley Davidson motorcycles are unreliable. That too is a holdover from the '70s from when they were owned by bowling company AMF.

The rotary has come a long way since then. Power has more than doubled for the same sized engine, mileage has gone up (imagine that!), emissions have gone down, and reliability has gotten much better. Some people still can't let go of the past and ths sentiment gets passed on and on. Then you have the problem of the 3rd gen RX-7 people who have had many issues. That car admittedly did have it's shortcomings but the biggest flaw it had was many of it's owners. It is very hard to find an RX-7 of any generation where there wasn't some lousy mechanic working on it who had no idea what they were doing. The turbo rotaries were reliable as they came but many people would push them without proper tuning. This blows them up. Go check out the 7 forum sometime. You'll see a bunch of people rig up some cheap form of mod to get power and then blame the engine when it blows up. This happens all the time and much of the rotary community is to blame for the preception that the engine is weak. It is just fine with proper tuning. The issue is that most people don't properly tune them. Yes there will be some legitimate issues that arise but that's true with any engine. I would say the rotary is less tolerant of messing up than other engines but I wouldn't say it is less reliable.

Nonturbo rotaries hav been known to go to 250K miles or more if taken care of. So have piston engines. The key is how they are treated. You can take any engine out there, florr it everywhere you go and it's lifespan will decrease. If you could run your motor at full power nonstop, it would only last a couple of days before wearing out. That applies to any engine. Turbo rotaries have easily gone over 100K and I personally know of one that hit 200K. The turbo had to be rebuilt though but that wasn't an engine issue.

Yes there will always be those that say the rotary is unreliable. There will also always be those that don't tune them who blow them up and then continue to spread the unreliability rumors. There just isn't much way around this.

being that it's the april issue, it could just be an april fools joke. an RX without the R??? come on.

I for one would love to see the Rotary in more models like the 70's. I had allmost all of them and the only thing they all had in common was the engine. So a new smaller lighter RX-?, would be welcome to me, it does not have to end in a 7.

"after removing everythign that wotn make it to production"

exceot they left the headlights which absolutely arent production worthy and took away the red paint that was.

this car is going to be the next MX-3 and if they decide to do a Rotary variant (which they can with this chasis) it will be the RX-3. If Ford does a version of the Piston engine MX-3 it will probably be called Probe.
other discussion
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=83056&highlight=mx-3

also i mentioned this in another thread but the Kabura is being shown at otehr Shows around the world now. This is the only one of the 3 new concepts to be shown around outside its own back yard. I believe this to mean it has been greenlighted or is close to being so.