Boy, this is the lounge but there's a lot of talk about the RX8 in here... anyway, I thought I would try to elicit some opinions in here (and not on other "less" mature forums)... hopefully this doesn't offended anyone, but I thought the defense on this particular issue has one of the DUMBEST basis I've ever heard... sure is convenient though.

Story here (http://www.click2houston.com/news/2384586/detail.html)

Originally found on click2houston.comIn court filings, the couple says neither has a Social Security number or driver's license and they don't have a marriage license either -- because they don't believe the government has the right to require such documents.

Barnhill said, "Just like we don't need permission to get married, why should I need permission from the state to use my property on the road?"

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i'm having a hard time with all this freedom of religion stuff, like when it comes into conflict with the law; not to say that i think religion is bad, but that it becomes a very hard, constitutional kind of thing to judge.

in any case, this is stupidity at it's worst... why should she need governmental approval for her to use her property on the road?? simple: becuase it's public property, meaning government controlled property. if they say you can't drive there without the papers, you shouldn't drive there.

...this is hurting my head, i have to stop worrying about idiots like this... holy crap man... hahaha... holy freakin' crap.

doing anything on the road which hinders your ability to pay attention to and respond to what's happening around you on the road ought to be illegal. no excuse.

I'm deliberately avoiding commenting on this subject in case I start an aetheist Jihad. Suffice it to say that the gullibility of the human mind never fails to amaze me.

I once heard religion defined as: 'Mankind's ongoing attempt to communicate with the weather'.

She has the freedom to live in this country and the freedom to move out of the country. Laws are rules just as the Bible has some rules itself. Follow them and don't make stupid things like "I don't need permission to get married, why do I need..." No one forces a person to get married (99% of the time), but it's not the same thing as driving on the road. It's a privelige (sic)

Originally posted by Lensman
I once heard religion defined as: 'Mankind's ongoing attempt to communicate with the weather'.

ho ho ho ho ho... that's a really good one ;)

i'm with ya brother.

Originally posted by Lensman
I once heard religion defined as: 'Mankind's ongoing attempt to communicate with the weather'.
Lol! Good one.. :D

Convict her.. Add $5000 to the fine and 6 months in jail for stupidity and ignorance. :mad:

Didn't anyone tell her you shouldn't drink and drive?

Originally posted by eccles
Didn't anyone tell her you shouldn't drink and drive?

:)

haha...

my comments wouldn't be directed towards religion. They'd be directed towards extremism. This little side-cult could be considered as extremist as your everyday suicide bomber. Just find justification for it (directly or indirectly by means of twists and spins) in your dogma, and that makes the action ok.


I wonder if she got into an accident and killed someone, if they'd a) repent and accept reprocussions from the law, b) repent and spend 5 seconds asking for forgiveness and that's it, or c) fall back on the fact that there's no mention specifically against vehicular manslaughter in the bible

I know what my money is on....

If they have a problem following society's laws that are (supposedly) for the overall good then I suggest they should be deported to a country where religious laws supercede man-made ones - I am thinking Iran and Sharia;). Of course being extremist pseudo-Christians might not go down too well over there...

Wonder if she had an AT or MT?

Originally posted by Lensman
I once heard religion defined as: 'Mankind's ongoing attempt to communicate with the weather'. That's even funnier than the 'a man needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle' quote.

Originally posted by pelucidor
That's even funnier than the 'a man needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle' quote.

Amen to that brother! :)

wow, thats incredible...
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I usually tend to avoid religious and political discussions (I admit it, I tend to avoid confrontation and conflict wherever possible). But this story was just over the top.

All I can say is people do some pretty amazingly stupid things in the name of their religious beliefs.

What's up been lurking for a while, patiently waiting for the stars to line up correctly for an RX-8 while eyeing an Acura TSX out my perepheral vision. But seeing as this story took place less than 10 miles from where I live, down the street from a Mazda dealership that I was checking out and in an area that I drive through for work purposes quite often. I apologize on behalf of Northeastern Ohioans for letting these human beings procreate in my neck of the woods.:( But I will be peeking out my window on the highway into women's cars a lot more.;)

I think this calls for an extensive long term study to prove nursing a child while driving is considered child endangerment. Since you can't turn off a driver's side airbag to protect a child, I will have to volunteer my services, as a child substitute, for as long as the study will take. Where do I sign up? :D

bumper

HMMMM

Only in America :p Catherine Nicole Donkers must have been BONKERS (crazy in OZ slang ,ha ha ha

cheers
michael

HMMMM

Only in America :p Catherine Nicole Donkers must have been BONKERS (crazy in OZ slang ,ha ha ha

cheers
michael
"Bonkers" works in Yankee, too!:D

u mock religion then u say "amen" irony def. You

YEs shes a dumby thats why she grew up in america a place were sometimes religion owns you even if you went to public school cmon people grow up and semi obey the law. Also unless you never went to public school or was not born in a hospital you have id number YOU THINK SHE EVER VOTED ...... I hope not

The whole beginning of this story was the breastfeeding of the baby and everyone is horrified on the aspect of child endangerment to the point where the trucker called 911. Keep in mind that societal norms change over time. When I was a kid, seatbelt useage was rare. There wasn't such a thing as child car seats. Adults used to roll their eyes when I'd bucke up and tell me it was stupid and dangerous. So it's interesting to me that today the response is so strongly and universally negative., with assertions that the mother is too stupid to live. I'm not trying to argue that it's not unsafe, only that it wasn't long ago when nobody would have thought anything of it, except maybe for the breastfeeding in public. Yesterday's common citizen is today's criminal.

Wow, there seems to be a lot of strong feelings about religion from those people who don't believe in it.

Wow, there seems to be a lot of strong feelings about religion from those people who don't believe in it.
Indeed. That is largely because of the incredible pressure and bias under which atheists must live in this society.

The vast majority of laws and social mores in the western world are the result of religious thinking and one is assaulted daily by theist thinking and opinion. It can be enough to push a rational mind completely over the edge.

It is frustrating to an atheist that so many of the people with which he must interact can be so rational in daily life and then hold such an irrational belief, such as those espoused by religion, as a higher standard.

Arguing about religion is off topic and shouldn't be posted here.

This is the quote from the article I have an issue with.

Barnhill said, "Just like we don't need permission to get married, why should I need permission from the state to use my property on the road?"

You don't need permission to use your property. A driver's license gives you permission to use the road. You don't need a driver's license to drive off road. You don't need a driver's license to own a car. You don't need a street legal car to drive off road. You do need a driver's license to drive a car on the road though unless of course you own that particular road. Driving is a privledge not a right. That is why you need permission to do it on public roads.

Arguing about religion is off topic and shouldn't be posted here.

Incorrect. The crackpot in the article is using religion as her justification. Therefore religion is what this topic is about.

The article is about how she is hiding behind religion as an excuse. That is the topic. It isn't about debating different religions. My response was to the question "is atheism a religion?" and "How are you 'assaulted daily'?" These will lead to an argument about different religions and not about how this lady is hiding behind her beliefs. Yes it is off topic. "Incorrect" is denied.

I deleted the offending post.

But I stick by my statement that religion is what this thread is about.

I think this Donkers lady is being **way** to idealistic here. Her argument about not needing a license to drive isn't a good one. If anything, driving is a priveledge of this modern society and a license is a right to every citizen. WAY different from marriage and "love". Love is a human aspect, marriage is again, a right. Yes, fall in love w/out the permission of big brother, get married and it being recognized ONLY to your religion, that's fine -- just don't expect government assistance as a couple then.

Religion has nothing to do with this, she's making a weak correlation of the two using bad examples. She needs to distinguish the differences between priveledges and rights versus human nature and idealisms.

She needs to go to jail, perhaps she can understand that some things the law and living in this country provide are all about self-preservation and the persuit of happiness.

alex