I am sick of Mazda and their half ass attemps at Mazdaspeed. Sure they all have turbos but they're still watered down bigtime. What really pisses me off is the fact that they have the potential but never use it. On top of everything there's hardly any aftermarket for them.

All I want is a car that will put the speed in Mazdaspeed. :crying:

Here are a few pics of the Mazdaspeed 3 (Euro)..
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=82820

Looks like a cool car but I feel that Mazda should go back to its roots and lighten the Mazdaspeed cars and then worry about power. The ms6 for example weighs 300kg more then the v6 version. That 300kg would have made the ms6 go like stink. I know the awd adds weight but Mazda should find ways to cut weight in other areas. In short, Mazdaspeed should be a no comprimise nameplate not a fashion statement. ms cars should not come with leather, power seats, pw, sunroof, ect. and a/c should be an option. It should be built for the enthusiast.

I agree. The MazdaSpeed nameplate is just not up to the levels of the likes of SVT, SRT, etc.

I agree with you Maz.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Mazdaspeed is not up to SVT, M, AMG, levels of performance. In my opinion they are overpriced also. I think the problem is because Mazda's making them thieselves. If it was an outside company putting the performance in them they would probably fly.

I also agree DM..

It is about time Mazda became serious and offered "real" alternatives, I have often wondered if Mazda's Web-Tune factory (Japan) could be offered world wide in some form, with a more comprehensive list of genuine parts made available aftermarket, even expanding that to a real "build" of your car before its made, to whatever specs that are available at the time, why not some type of web based template where Mazda distributors could offer "real" limited production runs of a particular model based on a group of clients wants/needs, and then as a group vehicles are ordered after down payments are received.

I just thing Mazda and their distributors could offer more to those who are prepared to pay for the privilege, yeah, I know then there are OEM parts supply issues also with this type of custom ordering, but, they could be overcome.

Here in Australia, we are offered very little choice, and pay a premium price for what we get.

Think outside the norm.

Does anyone think a scheme like this would work and succeed...pie in the sky?
Or, is it already available?

Looks like a cool car but I feel that Mazda should go back to its roots and lighten the Mazdaspeed cars and then worry about power. The ms6 for example weighs 300kg more then the v6 version. That 300kg would have made the ms6 go like stink. I know the awd adds weight but Mazda should find ways to cut weight in other areas. In short, Mazdaspeed should be a no comprimise nameplate not a fashion statement. ms cars should not come with leather, power seats, pw, sunroof, ect. and a/c should be an option. It should be built for the enthusiast.
I agree 100%. Jeeeeez Mazda!

It has become clear that Mazda is absolutely clueless when it comes to the tuner/sport compact market, moreso than any other carmaker out there it seems.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=82713

^^With those numbers, I doubt they are questioning the direction of the company.

I do however agree w/everyone else. It would be cool to see a limitied production "racing" car.

What car company really does this though right now?

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=82713

^^With those numbers, I doubt they are questioning the direction of the company.

I do however agree w/everyone else. It would be cool to see a limitied production "racing" car.

What car company really does this though right now?

I don't want a racing car I'd like to see a serious performance car from them that isn't confused as to its purpose.

It has become clear that Mazda is absolutely clueless when it comes to the tuner/sport compact market, moreso than any other carmaker out there it seems.

Maybe Mazda should consult other shops instead of Racing beat. Looking at RB's product line you will see simularities between the two.

They are trying to appeal to everyone.... it probably makes better business sense for them but pisses off the enthusiast at the same time.

They are trying to appeal to everyone.... it probably makes better business sense for them but pisses off the enthusiast at the same time.


MS products shouldn't appeal to everyone. That's what the regular line up is for.

I agree...they should do better, but I think right now they are just trying to gain more market share. They are taking it slow (to slow for us of course) and like you all their standard cars are missing 25-50HP let alone their MS offerings.

I think in time they will do better...they just seem to always be a step behind in outright power.

Think of the MS8 (if it ever comes) out...I'd bet they fix up the looks, do some suspension work, and add about 35HP or so. I could be wrong (I hope so) but history tells otherwise.

What would I do? a MS should come with 100 more HP then stock so there is no mistaking it's a MS!

MS products shouldn't appeal to everyone. That's what the regular line up is for.

I just said it makes better business sense for them in the same way that someone chooses the V6 Altima over the V4. You've gotta admit, mspd versions are little more than a trim level up rather than truely performance oriented.

A balls to the wall no frills performance version (which is what mspd SHOULD be) would certainly sell less. Regardless, I think that's what it should be about but they are taking a more conservative approach.

ok .. on top of all that who came up with the badge mazdaspeed .. it makes no sense .. doesnt sound right .. doesnt rol of the tounge easily .. sux

btw .. i saw the rs4 at chicago auto show .. droooll ... it was .. droolll .. awesome ... drooll

yes before i realized i was standing in a small pond of my own drool

for comparison .. i think i spend about 2 minutes in ms6 .. and to be honest most ppl didnt even know the difference between it and the other 6s

I just said it makes better business sense for them in the same way that someone chooses the V6 Altima over the V4. You've gotta admit, mspd versions are little more than a trim level up rather than truely performance oriented.

A balls to the wall no frills performance version (which is what mspd SHOULD be) would certainly sell less. Regardless, I think that's what it should be about but they are taking a more conservative approach.

Ok I understand your point but I also feel that Mazda would sell a sh!t load of bare bones peformance cars if they made them. For 1, they would be cheaper since in essence it's just a base car with a modified motor, suspension, ect.
The 2nd reason why it would sell like hotcakes is because the tuner crowd would actually embrace a mazda product and this type of exposure would help more then hurt imo.

If Mazda builds it, they will come.

Give MAzda or Mazdaspeed a break, at least they are not like Toyota who couldn't even be bothered with the sports car market anymore.

Give MAzda or Mazdaspeed a break, at least they are not like Toyota who couldn't even be bothered with the sports car market anymore.

Whether you like it or not it's pretty tough to question what Toyota is doing with their product line.

Mazda ads always say "everything we make has the soul of a sports car". I don't think it's asking Mazda too much to practice what they preach.

Whether you like it or not it's pretty tough to question what Toyota is doing with their product line.

Except that they're boring. Good quality cars they certainly are. I guess seing the Camry in Nascar changes everything :hahano:

Mazda ads always say "everything we make has the soul of a sports car". I don't think it's asking Mazda too much to practice what they preach.

I'd say the majority of their lineup is sporty if that means anything. The 6 looks pretty mean compared to the rest of the sedans in its class and had me considering a sedan for a while . Now the soul of sports car.... yeah, no. Especially after I drove it in comparison to the 8.

DARKMAZ8, i think most everyone is in agreement with you here. Mazda needs to step up to the plate with their MSPD lineup.

Yeah, Toyota is a heck of a car company...like Honda, but while Honda has some soul in them Toyota seems dead inside. Honestly, I'm not attracted to any of their products because while I understand they offer great value I have come to expect "fun to drive" character from a car which is something that Toyota is lacking.

I hear they are going to build the Supra again...so we shall see if they wake up in that department...hopefully, they put effort into it like they are doing with their trucks.

I think all of us here pretty much love Mazda, but most of us agree they need to do better and be more aggressive in the HP deparment.

well... they do have the MR-Spyder <-hahaha

HAD the Spyder

well... they do have the MR-Spyder <-hahaha

Even with it...it was, ummmm...not very impressive.

I wonder if the Supra is going to be their Halo car or are they going to make it affordable??? Learn from Mazda's RX7 Toyota, unless your going for a nitch sports car don't over price the dang thing like you did the first time with the Supra to then say...opps, we overpriced the Supra.

For 1, they would be cheaper since in essence it's just a base car with a modified motor, suspension, ect.

Mitsu does this, it is called an Evo. All it has that is worth anything is a motor and suspension.

Maybe if we could get the performance of an Evo with the quality of a Mazda we would be set.

^don't forget the looks...lol

Whether you like it or not it's pretty tough to question what Toyota is doing with their product line.

I don't question and fully understand why they wouldn't make a sports car just merely disappointed they didn't have something to satisfy rev-heads like us, their lineup is amazing actually, just not available to most of us. Plus why would they offer a 260 hp station wagon with an auto tranny, a 1.8 litre AWD corolla runx (not the matrix the US gets), its weird when you think about it.

well... they do have the MR-Spyder <-hahaha

Yeah if only they offer the option of a 2ZZGE engine in the spyder (not that the 1ZZFE ain't enough) or an altezza with the 3SGTE engine.

I don't question and fully understand why they wouldn't make a sports car just merely disappointed they didn't have something to satisfy rev-heads like us, their lineup is amazing actually, just not available to most of us. Plus why would they offer a 260 hp station wagon with an auto tranny, a 1.8 litre AWD corolla runx (not the matrix the US gets), its weird when you think about it.

huh? Their JDM lineup sucks too. If you don't mind AT, then no need to get a Lexus IS... pick up a Crown Athlete... same platform, same engine, less price (http://toyota.jp/crownathlete/index.html). The Corolla looks like ass and doesn't even drive that sporty anyway (http://toyota.jp/corollarunx/index.html). The Mazda Axcela (mazda3) has been doing great since it's launch and the Evo Wagon is a better choice if you want AWD performance. In that price range the Legacy GT Wagon is also available as well as the Forrester STi. The Vitz is consistently ranked lower than the Mazda Demio (Mazda2) and Honda Fit.... and now the new Suzuki Swift Sport is really cleaning up (http://www.suzuki.co.jp/swiftsport/).

huh? Their JDM lineup sucks too. If you don't mind AT, then no need to get a Lexus IS... pick up a Crown Athlete... same platform, same engine, less price (http://toyota.jp/crownathlete/index.html). The Corolla looks like ass and doesn't even drive that sporty anyway (http://toyota.jp/corollarunx/index.html). The Mazda Axcela (mazda3) has been doing great since it's launch and the Evo Wagon is a better choice if you want AWD performance. In that price range the Legacy GT Wagon is also available as well as the Forrester STi. The Vitz is consistently ranked lower than the Mazda Demio (Mazda2) and Honda Fit.... and now the new Suzuki Swift Sport is really cleaning up (http://www.suzuki.co.jp/swiftsport/).

Their JDM doesn't suck, just a bit out of place like the Caldina GT4 with the 3SGTE engine, why a powerful engine in a station wagon with an auto tranny. They could have dump it into an altezza instead. They could put the 2ZZGE in the MRS but didn't. As the Mark X and other family sedan, those are quite powerful with lots of mod potential but too heavy and its a family sedan. And finally why dump the 2ZZGE in the Vitz. Its plain weird, toyota could have easily make a sportscar just by swapping different engines they currently produced into their current lineup and some of them I believe is nearly a straight bolt-on.

No no... I'm not saying they don't have the "parts"... I'm saying that what they put together and sell sucks. The Caldina looks like ass. The previous model looked better, but... I'd buy a Nissan Stagea, Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon 2.0GT spec.B, or a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX Wagon. All of them look better come with a MT and are faster.

The MRS should have had the 1.8L engine tuned to 190hp that they used in the Vibe, Corolla and Lotus Elise.

The Vitz just plain and simple sucks ass. It's ugly. It got even more so with the current model... the previous one looked better. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the center instrument/gauge pod (which is also used in the Bb/Scion xB). Almost everything Toyota makes comes in AT only... WTF?! Toyota knows jack and shit about making sports cars (which is different than race cars). The Supra always sucked... big, heavy, expensive. It's GT car, not a sports car. The Celica was always underpowered except for the GT4 model... which was never sold in USDM. The Camry... bites. Basically the whole model lineup (except for the new Lexus) are Zzzz.

Sorry guy but I just don't' agree with you. I think for what it was the Mazdaspeed Proteg'e was a fun car. And the Mazdaspeed Miata was an absolute blast to drive and it only cost like $700.00 more than a normal Miata. The MS6 is fast, good looking with AWD and most reviews are very favorable. I think Mazda has one of the best sports car lineups on the market today. The 6 is one of the best looking family cars out now. And it is much sportier than the Honda or Toyota cars out. The new Miata is a gem as always and we all know how great the RX-8 is. I like the direction Mazda is going and look forward to seeing the cars they bring out in the future. I'm all for balls to the wall performance cars but the FD was such a car and even if it was a wonderful car (my favorite of all time) it was still a failure for the most part. I think they have to take a more practical approach to the cars they sell now. It's not like they have lot's of money to throw around like some of the competition has.

Sorry guy but I just don't' agree with you. I think for what it was the Mazdaspeed Proteg'e was a fun car. And the Mazdaspeed Miata was an absolute blast to drive and it only cost like $700.00 more than a normal Miata. The MS6 is fast, good looking with AWD and most reviews are very favorable. I think Mazda has one of the best sports car lineups on the market today. The 6 is one of the best looking family cars out now. And it is much sportier than the Honda or Toyota cars out. The new Miata is a gem as always and we all know how great the RX-8 is. I like the direction Mazda is going and look forward to seeing the cars they bring out in the future. I'm all for balls to the wall performance cars but the FD was such a car and even if it was a wonderful car (my favorite of all time) it was still a failure for the most part. I think they have to take a more practical approach to the cars they sell now. It's not like they have lot's of money to throw around like some of the competition has.

Lets see..

The engine in the MSP was weak, and to this day has all kinds of problems with the ECU and tuning. There were better, faster cars in the same price range that used an NA engine (and some that used FI), it was a piss poor atempt at adding FI to a sport compact. Go to the protege forums and search the word hesitation if you don't believe me. The MSMiata had too soft of a suspension and many people still felt the regular Miata was better and more fun, it also wasn't anything special performance wise. Combine the negatives of the MS Miata and MSP, add some weight and AWD and you have the MS6.

Sorry guy but I just don't' agree with you. I think for what it was the Mazdaspeed Proteg'e was a fun car. And the Mazdaspeed Miata was an absolute blast to drive and it only cost like $700.00 more than a normal Miata. The MS6 is fast, good looking with AWD and most reviews are very favorable. I think Mazda has one of the best sports car lineups on the market today. The 6 is one of the best looking family cars out now. And it is much sportier than the Honda or Toyota cars out. The new Miata is a gem as always and we all know how great the RX-8 is. I like the direction Mazda is going and look forward to seeing the cars they bring out in the future. I'm all for balls to the wall performance cars but the FD was such a car and even if it was a wonderful car (my favorite of all time) it was still a failure for the most part. I think they have to take a more practical approach to the cars they sell now. It's not like they have lot's of money to throw around like some of the competition has.

I understand where you are comming from, but extra HP never kept a car from being sold...lol.

By the way, maybe the MS6 could be more but I really like it regardless. It looks better than most run of the mill sadan's, has AWD and a nice interior...and it's faster than most sadan's out there.

Just remember...

Enough HP = not enough
Too much HP = just right

lol, Mazda seems to be off by about 30-50HP in their cars depending on the model.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/results2right.jpg

3rd in this comparo performance wise.... not bad, it is a mazdaSPEED car.

Yet 5th overall...

That's a shocker up against upscale luxury brands such as Lexus, BMW, Audi, and Infiniti.

I bet finishing order has soemthing to do with the wrong gas

I bet finishing order has soemthing to do with the wrong gas

I bet it has more to do with the handling, but falling on its face at the end of the 1/4 mile doesn't help. Blaming the gas is silly though, blame Mazda for not tuning the ECU properly.

I do think it's pretty silly to have the engine take those wastegate precautions if not running 93. It's at every station around here but 91 or higher should cut it. It would not surprise me if Mazda came out with a fix soon however. Also I think R&T guess at thier accleration times. 5.1 to a Legacy GT seems very optimistic (all times seem low except speed6), I have actually driven a "spec B'(very low mileage,respected car wasn't mine) and it felt slower than a speed6 although just my butt dyno. Coming from an 8 I thought it felt too FWD, they should make the bias toward the rear if possibly, while there at it....slim up 300-400lbs and a nice even 300 sae hp and 300tq would get me to get one. I get VERY close but after all the bickering with the dealer it wasn't sporty enough. Unfortantly we agree IKE:( jk

why is it that mazda can develop a 300hp version of the mzr all n/a for the Atlantic kart series but can't deliver the goods to the paying consumer.