What do you all think about the whole russian mail order bride thing?

not much to think about. alot of them just want US citizenship or to get on US soil.

Why? You thinking about getting one? Its not like getting a puppy, you know.

friend of mine "ordered" a bride, she came over, became a citizen, divorced him and took his ass for all it was worth..Not cool.....

well i know of some ppl that are into that shit and they use this one site called ww.elenasmodels.com let me tell ya the girl my one friend brought back was smokin. Def. worth the trip to Russia. He moved to Vegas with her and last i heard they are still engaged so we'll see.

haha, no, there is an older guy here that is corresponding with a chick from one of there sites. He is in his earlies 40's and the chick absolutely beautiful and 22. We got to talking about it is all. Figured since I bored I could start a discussion on it maybe. I guess I should ask, would you take a chance and do it?

Oh, I have been looking at some of the sites though, there are some pretty hot chicks there!

It is an ok thing, I guess. But there are so many women here. And it is (was) so much fun...you know, shopping around.

Women are such a pain, and you have to work so hard to make relationships work, I think it is better to let things naturally take their course. I suppose if someone worked alot or was having a hard time getting a girl, that this would be an option. But I think it would be more profitable if you were to look at yourself and fix that which is repulsing the opposite sex.

And why arent there mail order grooms?

yeah that is definately true, however, my cousin married a polish chick, and since he has become somewhat of a POS but she is totally loyal to him. You definately wouldn't have to deal with the "american woman" BS. Every foriegn woman I have met has been totally down to earth, not all the BS you have to deal with, with attractice US chicks.

haha, no, there is an older guy here that is corresponding with a chick from one of there sites. He is in his earlies 40's and the chick absolutely beautiful and 22. We got to talking about it is all. Figured since I bored I could start a discussion on it maybe. I guess I should ask, would you take a chance and do it?


Djgiron, if you really wanna go down this path, may I suggest trying Filipinas. they are on the internet as well. assuming you go for azn chicks too, that is. seriously marriage material, speak English, family oriented, compared to euro babes.

Every foriegn woman I have met has been totally down to earth, not all the BS you have to deal with, with attractice US chicks.
Hahahahaha. I know one chick from the netherlands that would completely change your mind....

:tup: to Foriegn chicks...my next wife will be from brazil or russia or mexico or spain or portugal or south africa or italy. :D

And why arent there mail order grooms?


yeah, that's what I want to know.


yeah that is definately true, however, my cousin married a polish chick, and since he has become somewhat of a POS but she is totally loyal to him. You definately wouldn't have to deal with the "american woman" BS. Every foriegn woman I have met has been totally down to earth, not all the BS you have to deal with, with attractice US chicks.



yeah- uppity, want to make their own money, have a life of their own- hell, they even want to VOTE. WTF is the world coming to??!!???



:Eyecrazy:

If women knew what was good for them, they'd all be following the advice in this (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=79588) thread.

this reminds me of the song "American womaaan, stay away from meee..."

seriously though, no offense to any ladies out there. but i find that american woman give up to easily on relationships. they just move on to the next one.

seriously though, no offense to any ladies out there. but i find that american woman give up to easily on relationships. they just move on to the next one.


Worse - many Americans of either gender have a sense of 'entitlement' as well. "I'm ENTITLED to happiness!" without any concept of working towards that state. It's no wonder relationships fail when you hear people using phrases like:

"Our KIDS are more important to me than my spouse."

For marriage to work the husband to the wife, and the wife to the husband HAS to be eachothers priority. Some may not agree; Those people are wrong. Not arrogant of me to say, just an absolute truth - unless your spouse abuses or otherwise damages your kids.


"I have a RIGHT to be happy at all times. If I'm not happy, I'm out of here!"

Happiness in a relationship is a goal to be worked towards, not a specific state of mine at any one point in time. Id Est, often people don't realize how happy they were until much later. We live in a society where our promises mean dick. (sigh).

seriously though, no offense to any ladies out there. but i find that american woman give up to easily on relationships. they just move on to the next one.


That's a very bad generalization. You might as well say the same thing about American men. A lot of people *period* have this "grass is greener" and "I could do better than this" syndrome. Add in the sense of entitlement, and it spells disaster for ANY relationship.

I wish people would wake up to the non-drama that could be our perfect lives.

seriously though, no offense to any ladies out there. but i find that american woman give up to easily on relationships. they just move on to the next one.


kinda like men, you mean? Sleep with one, she doesn't put out enough, move on to the next?


I'm joking, of course, in all my posts. But come on, guys- these generalizations are kinda silly. I'd be like me saying "in my experience I like European men better because they actually know how to be romantic". Bunch of BS, but it sounds like I know what I'm talking about because I've put the words "In my experience" and "European" and "romantic" in the same sentence.

Something to think about- WHY do these women basically prostitute themselves through these companies? It's very sad, if you think about it. They, more than likely, have nothing to their names but their looks. There are very few opportunities for them to make anything of themselves in these countries. They want a more luxurious life. They want security. They want opportunities. They have also made the assumption that American men are more "loyal" and don't cheat. So, they are using the men that "buy" them to get out of their situations and into a country where they actually have a chance to make something of themselves, or have a few luxuries. The men, on the other hand, have often already been divorced once or twice, and seem to usually have problems with "normal" relationships- perferring 1950's -era women who live to cook and clean and take care of children. It seems kinda sad on both sides, don't you think? Kind of a catch-22 for everyone involved. But, if that's your cup of tea, go for it.


Of course, I just made some disturbing sweeping generalizations as well, but at least I can back them up with research. But I think, if you look, you might find them disturbing too.

http://www.american.edu/TED/bride.htm

http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/traffic.htm

http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/repsstudies/Mobappa.htm

http://discuss.ilw.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/902603441/m/60410534921

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/anderson/brides/pg1.html

Now I've probably killed this thread, but when people start posting stereotypical things like "I like European women better because..." it's a little frustrating. Not that I am in need of a relationship, but because of the misinformation passed around about these services.

Now I've probably killed this thread, but when people start posting stereotypical things like "I like European women better because..." it's a little frustrating.

...but I've lived in Europe..and as a whole, European women ARE different than American women. I've got a decent-sized pool from which I've 'sampled'. A lot of stereotypes are 'true'. ;)

:D

...but I've lived in Europe..and as a whole, European women ARE different than American women. I've got a decent-sized pool from which I've 'sampled'. A lot of stereotypes are 'true'. ;)

:D

And so did my husband, and I've got a lot of European friends, which still doesn't make me an expert on what they, or anyone else (Americans included) want. Hence the links I posted.

For the record, I am not getting a mail order bride, a guy I work here with is thinking about it. I am actually happily engaged atm. It is easy to see why european women, asian women, etc are different than american women, they live in a different culture. Different is not necessarily better though! According to this girl he is emailing, alot of russian guys are heavy drinkers and abusive, there is really nothing for them to look forward to, and after 25 if they are not married and settled down, they are "too old" in the eyes of their society to start a family with. It is pretty sad actually.

Besides, where is a mid 40 yr old overweight divorce going to find a beautiful sexy 22 year old to marry him in america ;)

Worse -..... It's no wonder relationships fail when you hear people using phrases like:

"Our KIDS are more important to me than my spouse."

For marriage to work the husband to the wife, and the wife to the husband HAS to be eachothers priority. Some may not agree; Those people are wrong. Not arrogant of me to say, just an absolute truth - unless your spouse abuses or otherwise damages your kids.

(sigh).

Amen! Speaking only from my own observations and experiences. I have seen a 25 yr relationship slowly go down the drain because of a over zealous "mother syndrom" and a complete lack of ability to her husband to commit, love, support and appreciate. But some of those traits are shown to the kids. Its a conscious choice of choosing the kids over the spouse. What a shame!! (there was never any form of abuse to the kids from either parent, both parents loved the kids )

And why arent there mail order grooms?


Who wants to buy a man from a foreign country when there are more than enough jerks around here??? LOL

I think the thing about "American women" wanting to work, have a social life, et cetera, is a good thing. I know I want to work and be able to take care of and support myself in case something happened to my husband (assuming I decided to have one). I don't want to have to always depend on others to take care of me. It is also good to have a social life and friends. It gives you the all important social support network and perspective on things.

I think the reason why mail order brides seem so "loyal" is the fact that they feel indebted to whomever it was that "rescued" them from their own life and they are just eager to try to please so they don't seem "ungrateful." It's kind of like they are paying them back. Eventually they will come to resent it.

If a woman had enough money to buy a groom, she doesn't need one.

hmmm...very interseting topic...the thing is this...if you're single, and you don't like looking for people in the scene...and you work all the time...mail order brides seem like the way to go...why?

Because it's easy and you don't have to work for it...a relationship build on that will never last...at least not in my experience.

That sounds just like E-dating.

If you want someone bad enough you will find the time to look and pursue.

....easy and don't have to work for it. Doesn't that sound like ordering a pizza? These are the guys that are looking for a woman after they found the house with 3 extra bedrooms for future kids.

Hmmm by mail eh?

Bah. I'll just buy a real doll. :rofl:

"...perferring 1950's -era women who live to cook and clean and take care of children."

not trying to be sexist here. but somebody's got to do it, especially the children part, they need to be taught well. If i'm willing to work and be able to support a family financially by myself, what's wrong with having my spouse (if i had one, i'm not married with this mentality obviously) take care of the children and cook a meal.

There's actually nothing wrong with one parent staying home to take care of the kids, clean , and cook. As long as both parties are agreed to that scenario, and adjust as needed while walking that road. Unfortunately, a lot of households rely on two incomes these days. I actually applaud couples that can find the means to live on one income, and raise a family at the same time. It probably takes a certain practical mentality to not spend all your money on something you want, versus something you really need.

, what's wrong with having my spouse (if i had one, i'm not married with this mentality obviously) take care of the children and cook a meal.

Well, it leaves little time for cleaning and beer fetching, for one. :p:

Most couples can't afford to live on one income anymore, let alone have kids added into it. If you stick your wife at home all the time to do nothing but take care of kids and house, I hope she gets to do outside activities, too, because it is just like having a job at home, except most people actually get to leave work sometime, and not just to do errands for their "job." Even working part time in a case like this is a break!

I just don't think it is practical anymore to expect the June Cleaver wives.

Most couples can't afford to live on one income anymore, let alone have kids added into it. If you stick your wife at home all the time to do nothing but take care of kids and house, I hope she gets to do outside activities, too, because it is just like having a job at home, except most people actually get to leave work sometime, and not just to do errands for their "job." Even working part time in a case like this is a break!

I just don't think it is practical anymore to expect the June Cleaver wives.

jesus, we're not talking imprisonment here.

"...perferring 1950's -era women who live to cook and clean and take care of children."

not trying to be sexist here. but somebody's got to do it, especially the children part, they need to be taught well. If i'm willing to work and be able to support a family financially by myself, what's wrong with having my spouse (if i had one, i'm not married with this mentality obviously) take care of the children and cook a meal.


nothing's wrong with it as long as both parties are on board with it. but if you look at the links I posted, the research shows these women often use the "mail order bride" scenario to find their way here in hopes of getting more opportunities.

Yeah, thats the ticket, get one over here to get a job and support you . . . that is like the perfect male scenerio haha j/k

nothing's wrong with it as long as both parties are on board with it. but if you look at the links I posted, the research shows these women often use the "mail order bride" scenario to find their way here in hopes of getting more opportunities.

not just here, anywhere where they are basically better off. I know some people doing it from other countries as well.

friend of mine "ordered" a bride, she came over, became a citizen, divorced him and took his ass for all it was worth..Not cool.....

Dude, if you're willing to "sell" yourself to get here, you gotta always be looking for the BBD. I'm betting the above happens a lot.