Plain and simple---Has anyone got a speeding ticket yet

no, never.

never even been stoped before

Originally posted by mikeb
Plain and simple---Has anyone got a speeding ticket yet

No, but it's a miracle. It's amazing how this thing can get away from you, it's so quiet and easy to get ahead of you. I've been going way over the speed limit and normally don't do that.

i've gotten 3...unless you mean in the rx-8, then no =p i quit driving like a stupid idiot by the time i was 18 or so

I win for shortest time. I got a ticket before I even got my RX-8 home. 45 in a 30. I think I had 40 miles on the car.
Speed trap, that transitioned from 45 to 30. I was even slowing down and had stopped at a stop light. But I guess he really wanted to write me a ticket. Pflugerville cops are really bored and don't see any action. So they sit in the speed traps and wait for people.

Man.....

bad news.

My car isn't even two weeks old.

83 in a 55 zone, going down a highway I'm very familiar with (Cambria to Cayucos).

I was initially heading on Hwy 46 west to Hwy 1. There was this 300ZX who was wanting to play. At one place, (wide straight downhill and smooth; no other cars except the guy behind me)...I did about 113 mph. I was so easy. Later down the road I got the ticket. That ZX I never saw pass either.

I pulled over and stopped so quick, I was watching to see if he was going to hit me (he didn't). I always keep my hands on the steering wheel as to show respect. I don't need someone pulling out a gun or something. I always ask for permission to get out my license in my pocket before doing so.

The officier asked where I had come from. "Paso Robles", I said.

Off: "Have you been drinking?"

Me: "No, I don't drink."

Off: "Is this a new car?"

Me: (silence but thinking with an urban face-"duh!!! how many of these have you pulled over!!!) I didn't say a word.

...then I heard the spiel on DL, Reg, & Ins. info.

My daughter was with me (she's 14). She says she hates it when someone in the family gets pulled over.

....oh, by the way.


No, I haven't told my wife yet. Let's see how long I can keep it a secret.

I also ordered an escort radar for the car today.

What I really want to do is make a radar transceiver though. I dream about this thing.

We all know how doppler works - your moving towards or away from the radar so it interpolates the change in pulse as compared to the set frequency of the radar - thus determining your speed.

All it would take is a device that would interprete the pulse and then do some calculations as to what the new frequency would be if you were going, say, 65 mph.

This much longer pulse or wavelength would be screamed back at the police radar, masking your own true speed (the reflection off your car). This is not a "jammer radar" idea.

I just think it would be so cool. And to top it off, you could put a "kill button" on it in case the police officer says you are emitting radar (obstruction of justice I've heard in some places). That way, in court you can ask them to show that it actually does emit radar.

Since the replacable chip is burned out - no radar emitted - give it back to me (so I can replace the chip and start all over again).

...I know, I know, ...this is a crazy idea. I just haven't seen it anywhere else on the forum or the internet.

If you put in: "radar emitter", you'll get all this department of defense stuff explaining doppler in three dimensions or some technology for jet fighters and the like.

-OR-

You just get the simple "jammer radar" stuff - no true transceivers.

Any comments????

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
Man.....

bad news.

My car isn't even two weeks old.

83 in a 55 zone, going down a highway I'm very familiar with (Cambria to Cayucos).

I was initially heading on Hwy 46 west to Hwy 1. There was this 300ZX who was wanting to play. At one place, (wide straight downhill and smooth; no other cars except the guy behind me)...I did about 113 mph. I was so easy. Later down the road I got the ticket. That ZX I never saw pass either.

I pulled over and stopped so quick, I was watching to see if he was going to hit me (he didn't). I always keep my hands on the steering wheel as to show respect. I don't need someone pulling out a gun or something. I always ask for permission to get out my license in my pocket before doing so.

The officier asked where I had come from. "Paso Robles", I said.

Off: "Have you been drinking?"

Me: "No, I don't drink."

Off: "Is this a new car?"

Me: (silence but thinking with an urban face-"duh!!! how many of these have you pulled over!!!) I didn't say a word.

...then I heard the spiel on DL, Reg, & Ins. info.

My daughter was with me (she's 14). She says she hates it when someone in the family gets pulled over.

....oh, by the way.


No, I haven't told my wife yet. Let's see how long I can keep it a secret.

I also ordered an escort radar for the car today.

What I really want to do is make a radar transceiver though. I dream about this thing.

We all know how doppler works - your moving towards or away from the radar so it interpolates the change in pulse as compared to the set frequency of the radar - thus determining your speed.

All it would take is a device that would interprete the pulse and then do some calculations as to what the new frequency would be if you were going, say, 65 mph.

This much longer pulse or wavelength would be screamed back at the police radar, masking your own true speed (the reflection off your car). This is not a "jammer radar" idea.

I just think it would be so cool. And to top it off, you could put a "kill button" on it in case the police officer says you are emitting radar (obstruction of justice I've heard in some places). That way, in court you can ask them to show that it actually does emit radar.

Since the replacable chip is burned out - no radar emitted - give it back to me (so I can replace the chip and start all over again).

...I know, I know, ...this is a crazy idea. I just haven't seen it anywhere else on the forum or the internet.

If you put in: "radar emitter", you'll get all this department of defense stuff explaining doppler in three dimensions or some technology for jet fighters and the like.

-OR-

You just get the simple "jammer radar" stuff - no true transceivers.

Any comments????

did u get the passport 8500? thats what i have, its the best for the money.

and ur idea is basically radar jamming. u can get a radar jammer but its illegal in california

I also ordered an escort radar for the car today.

What I really want to do is make a radar transceiver though. I dream about this thing.

We all know how doppler works - your moving towards or away from the radar so it interpolates the change in pulse as compared to the set frequency of the radar - thus determining your speed.

All it would take is a device that would interprete the pulse and then do some calculations as to what the new frequency would be if you were going, say, 65 mph.

This much longer pulse or wavelength would be screamed back at the police radar, masking your own true speed (the reflection off your car). This is not a "jammer radar" idea.

I just think it would be so cool. And to top it off, you could put a "kill button" on it in case the police officer says you are emitting radar (obstruction of justice I've heard in some places). That way, in court you can ask them to show that it actually does emit radar.

Since the replacable chip is burned out - no radar emitted - give it back to me (so I can replace the chip and start all over again).

...I know, I know, ...this is a crazy idea. I just haven't seen it anywhere else on the forum or the internet.

If you put in: "radar emitter", you'll get all this department of defense stuff explaining doppler in three dimensions or some technology for jet fighters and the like.

-OR-

You just get the simple "jammer radar" stuff - no true transceivers.

Any comments????


Wow, some people sure do go out of their way to get around traffic laws. I do have to say that most of them though, aren't mashing 115mph with a 14-year-old daughter in the car...

I'm waiting to see the first person get off b/c the cop likes their 8 :) Crap, if two sheriffs let me off in my G2 integ, you guys should have a good chance :D

I had a escort 8500....bought my wife a BEL 985 it has much better KA band than the Escort. (KA is common where I live) So I traded her.

I am not sure which is totally better, but I like the BEL 985.

Does any Police use Laser Gun where you all live? If so share some stories, I here Laser is hard to detect.

The problem with the lasers is that their signal is so focussed and there is very little "leakage". The detectors actually try to detect the leakage or a stray bounce. So by the time it detects the signal it's usually when the cop is painting your car with the laser which by then it's too late to slow down.

Unfortunately, radar detectors are illegal here and most of the local cops are using the lasers. When you get out of town they revert to either the older radar guns mounted on the window or if your on the 417, they just follow you in their unmarked (take your pick of NA brand car/truck).

What I really want to do is make a radar transceiver though. I dream about this thing.

While this is what jammers do, at least try to do, they don't work. The new radar/laser guns all operate with DSP (Digital Signal Processing). What they do is send out a specific "code," for lack of a better word, that is returned with the doppler shift. The "code" is tuned to the specific modulation of the gun. So unless you know what the radar/laser gun is "tuned" to, you won't be able to block it since the DSP just ignores all signals other than it's own. Now since most radar guns don't use DSP b/c it is relatively new, you may be able to get away with it, at least for a while. However, if a cop has a laser on you, forget it. The radar detector shouldn't even say "LAZER", it should just say "PULL OVER."

Also if you could build a tranceiver that could simultaneously emmit every frequency that all radar guns can read, well then your good to go. You would also have to make the thing 2-3 times more power output then the radar gun to be sure to fool it.

blizz81 quoted:
Wow, some people sure do go out of their way to get around traffic laws. I do have to say that most of them though, aren't mashing 115mph with a 14-year-old daughter in the car...

....you could be right.

Don't waste mony on a radar jammer (won't work) or a laser detector (can only inform you that you are f***ed). If you want the best protection by a Valentine 1 (sans laser detection) and a good laser Jammer. Laser jammers can be nearly 100% effective at almost any range and because Laser is regulated by the FDA as opposed to the FCC you cannot get into serious trouble for interfering with the FCC rules governing communications.


Disclaimer: all of the above was true the last time I checked (approx 8 months ago when I was in the market). If it turns out that I am blowing smoke up your ass let me know.

Originally posted by blizz81

I'm waiting to see the first person get off b/c the cop likes their 8

I got pulled over last night slaloming down a quiet street in my neighborhood. Not speeding, just tossing the car around a little.

PO: Is everything all right tonight?

Me: Everything's fine, I was just playing around. Sorry.

PO: Bad place to be playing around. I pulled you over because you crossed over into the oncoming lane.

Me: Oh, I shouldn't have been playing around like that, sorry.

PO: License and proof of insurance.

Me: (Thinking I'm toast - they ticket religiously for this in St. Louis) Sorry, no POI, I just got it.

PO: You just got it, okay, just a minute. (Goes back to car).

PO: (Returning) Does that have that rotary engine in it?

Me: (Seeing warning in PO's hand, whew). Yes it does.

PO: I'm giving you a warning, to remind you not to do that again. So... How's she handle?

Me: Beautifully. Thank you very much.

PO: It's not a summons, just a warning to remind you. Have a good night.

Steven

Originally posted by mikeb
Plain and simple---Has anyone got a speeding ticket yet In the 8, no. So I'm already doing better than I was in the Miata, which landed me a ticket the very first day I drove it to work.

Farsyde quoted:
While this is what jammers do, at least try to do, they don't work. The new radar/laser guns all operate with DSP (Digital Signal Processing). What they do is send out a specific "code," for lack of a better word, that is returned with the doppler shift. The "code" is tuned to the specific modulation of the gun. So unless you know what the radar/laser gun is "tuned" to, you won't be able to block it since the DSP just ignores all signals other than it's own.

I get what your saying and even if something is encripted in the signal, it still experiences doppler, which is what then is interpreted into actual speed.

My point is - any laser or radar gun sends out a signal and then waits for the reflection. If the transceiver I'm dreaming about "screams" back (is stronger than the reflection) it's own interpreted signal at a much longer wavelength (the speed you want it to read), then the DSP would still be there, since the signal being sent back is a modification of the original signal.

Radar jammers usually just create noise interference. DSP sounds like "prime number" algorithms. If you interprete the prime number algorithm wave pattern and then send it back at whatever frequency length you want, it should work.

Let's talk about lasers: being that the light is coherent (that's what makes the light a "beam" and not like a lightbulb or streetlamp or any other light source) it is very pinpoint . I've enjoyed using hand held laser pointers for years. One of the fun things to do with it is to see how far away you can see the reflection off of something.

It is impressive to be at a lecture in a dark room using a laser pointer to illuminate something on the screen for the audience to see. Many of use have seen this.

If you have a laser pointer try this trick at night: Take the pointer outside where there are cars at multiple distances away from you (say a parking lot). Put the pointer on the bridge of your nose between your eyes and turn it on, pointing out towards the lisence plates or reflectors of any cars ahead of you. It is amazing how bright the reflection is!!! What is interesting is the "beads" used in license plates; they are highly reflective. Pick something close to you and see how bright the reflection is. Now try a car farther away; see how far away you can see the reflection. I've been able to see several hundred yards away.

Pick something close again. While you are still looking at it, take the laser and move it "off angle" from your face. Notice if the reflection gets dimmer or not (it does).

I don't know the frequency used by law enforcement. It would make sense though, that you could make a laser transceiver that would interprete the incoming signal and then, with an LED, scream back the modified wavelength. I'm thinking around the license plates.

It could be just one big LED (at the correct frequency of course) sending back the signal that you want.

The inverse square law holds true for all light, even a laser. The farther the way you are, the weaker the signal gets. Signal strength = 1/ (distance)^2.

I want to experiment and make one. My electonics engineer brother-in-law thinks I'm crazy. I'm not giving up.

Any input anyone?

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
I want to experiment and make one. My electonics engineer brother-in-law thinks I'm crazy. I'm not giving up.

i'll second that opinion :D

yep you could do it though. i think it may take alot of research but more importantly, don't get caught. Many states make it illegal to interfere with speed detection devices. VA and NJ (i beleive) have outlawed all speed detection/transmitting devices.

How is laser regulated by the FDA??? I though ALL electronic communications devices were regulated by the FCC.

btw laser or lidar is set (by whoever) to 904nm. So as long as you can build a transmitter to fire on every frequency at 904nm it "should" work.

Originally posted by Farsyde
How is laser regulated by the FDA??? I though ALL electronic communications devices were regulated by the FCC.

Developed originally for medical use.

so you want to build a device that will "pick up" a signal from a radar/laser gun, then send that signal back at a modified wavelength (set with a preset speed, asy 65 mph), though with more "oomph"

it could be done, except i dont know how you plan on keeping the original signal and modifying the wavelength

it would be a lot easier to have a "receiver" attached to an "emitter" so as soon as the receiver detects a signal, it registers that code, which is then transfered into the emitter which emits a more powerful signal at a specified wavelength back to the source with the same code
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Originally posted by OrangeBingo
...Laser jammers can be nearly 100% effective at almost any range and because Laser is regulated by the FDA as opposed to the FCC you cannot get into serious trouble for interfering with the FCC rules governing communications... Laser jammers aren't that effective up close. They can be effective, but not foolproof.

While you won't incur a felony charge and the possibility of six figure fines with a laser jammer (Technically, you can be charged with up to $100,000 worth of fines, but that high of a fine is more for offenses more serious than traffic radar jamming), more and more states and municipalities are specifically outlawing laser jamming. And it's kinda easy for a police officer to tell when you are jamming his/her laser.

IIRC, at the normal targetting range (500-1000 ft), the laser beam is no more than 24 inches. So if a laser is pointed at your front license plate, a windshield mounted laser detector, no matter how good it is, won't even detect you being targeted yourself.

---jps

Originally posted by rxevolve10
Does any Police use Laser Gun where you all live? If so share some stories, I here Laser is hard to detect. I have a POS Uniden in my IS300. Driving along Highway 6 (6 lanes with strip malls on each side) with a 50mph limit. For some odd reason I was the only car moving along in a certain section, so I slowed down to exactly 50mph as I was not in a rush (just in case). Suddenly ahead I saw a motorbike cop lurking under a tree on the pavement pointing something at me. Immediately the detector flashes LASER and the cop drops his laser a few seconds later. There was no chance to slow down between being hit and the cop getting his reading.

Today coming to work in rush hour I was not in my RX-8 but rather just day-dreaming about my RX-8 (still waiting for delivery - tomorrow?) and got stopped by a police car in my MDX. I had the radar turned off from last night (forget why) and was apparently doing 65 in a 50. The cop was very nice and just said be careful in future - he also asked why I have a radar detector if I never speed as I claimed and we both laughed. I haven't been stopped for speeding in 4 years prior to today.

I hope the cops let me go becuase they like my 8

Just give me time. Anybody want to take bets on how long it will take for me to get a ticket in my "cop-magnet" red car, after I get back in October? :D

We'll have to create a sticky poll to find the ratio of speeding tickets in relationship to the car color.

Man I was writing this out when the forum went down...Hope I'm not killing a dead dog over this

wakeech quoted:
i'll second that opinion

Hey! thanks for the encouragement on not giving up (he he!)

POOMan quoted:
it could be done, except i dont know how you plan on keeping the original signal and modifying the wavelength
it would be a lot easier to have a "receiver" attached to an "emitter" so as soon as the receiver detects a signal, it registers that code, which is then transfered into the emitter which emits a more powerful signal at a specified wavelength back to the source with the same code

Just like the Bose private aircraft headsets have an external mike to pick up engine noise and then create an "inverse" matching wave to "pipe" into your headphones, thus cancelling the noise, having an emitter close to the receiver (most likely the license plates) would make sense.

Has anyone seen one of these DJ CD players? The device has the ability to take two CD's and allow the DJ to switch and transition from one CD to the next. What's interesting about these devices is that one CD, the tempo or beat of the music can be changed, along with the pitch, independently of each other!! This allows the DJ the ability to have the songs in transition from one to the next, match in pitch and tempo. The device uses DSP technology.

What is Digital Signal Proscessing? (DSP)
The world of science and engineering is filled with signals: images from remote space probes, voltages generated by the heart and brain, radar and sonar echoes, seismic vibrations, and countless other applications. Digital Signal Processing is the science of using computers to understand these types of data. This includes a wide variety of goals: filtering, speech recognition, image enhancement, data compression, neural networks, and much more. DSP is one of the most powerful technologies that will shape science and engineering in the twenty-first century. Suppose we attach an analog-to-digital converter to a computer, and then use it to acquire a chunk of real world data. DSP answers the question: What next?


...okay, so I've been busy with guests over the weekend. I will discuss this more as I learn more. I believe, even with DSP technology, a device can be made to scream back the desired lengthened signal.

I'll make an effort to provide the math in the future on this.

The following website is quite informative; I just need to chew on it awhile to explain it in simpliar terms.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

Yes, sound doppler and light doppler are completely different.

:D

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
Man I was writing this out when the forum went down...Hope I'm not killing a dead dog over this You and me both. Yes, sound doppler and light doppler are completely different.

:D IIRC, most LIDAR guns don't operate on light doppler, but by constantly measuring the distance between the gun and the target.

---jps

Originally posted by blizz81


I'm waiting to see the first person get off b/c the cop likes their 8 :) Crap, if two sheriffs let me off in my G2 integ, you guys should have a good chance :D

I got pulled over for stopping with the front of the car hanging over the solid white line at a stop sign. The cop was almost apologetic about it and gave me a half-hearted warning.

SGC

MAN,

I got pulled over today for going 22 in a 40 in my 1999 Mazda Protege loaner car that I've been driving for 2 months while I wait on my preordered RX-8 that was released from port on 7/11/03 and still not arrived at my dealer who is about 5 hours from the port. (whew, said that all in one breath!)

The police officer just laughed at my ride and let me go.....

Wizard

ouch. yeah i feel your pain i've gotta drive one all the time

Sputnik quoted:
IIRC, most LIDAR guns don't operate on light doppler, but by constantly measuring the distance between the gun and the target.
I thought everyone might be interested in some of these numbers on what is most reflective.

Diffusely reflecting surfaces / materials: 1)
MATERIAL
REFLECTIVITY

White paper up to 100%

Dimension lumber (pine, clean, dry) 94%

Snow 80-90%
Beer foam 88%
White masonry 85%
Limestone, clay up to 75%
Newspaper with print 69%
Tissue paper, two ply 60%
Deciduous trees typ. 60%
Coniferous trees typ. 30%
Carbonate sand (dry) 57%
Carbonate sand (wet) 41%
Beach sands, bare areas in dessert typ. 50%
Rough wood pallet (clean) 25%
Concrete, smooth 24%
Asphalt with pebbles 17%
Lava 8%
Black neoprene 5%
Black rubber tire wall 2%

Glossy, mirror-like or retroreflecting surfaces / material: 1)
MATERIAL
REFLECTIVITY

Reflecting foil 3M2000X 1250%
Opaque white plastic 2) 110%
Opaque black plastic 2) 17%
Clear plastic 2) 50%

...better get rid of that front plate as soon as possible.

check out this web site on diagrams for laser reflectivity.

http://www.riegl.co.at/principles/e_gi004.htm

:D :D :D

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08

I thought everyone might be interested in some of these numbers on what is most reflective.

Diffusely reflecting surfaces / materials: 1)
MATERIAL
REFLECTIVITY

...Rough wood pallet (clean) 25%
Concrete, smooth 24%
Asphalt with pebbles 17%
Lava 8% ...

:D :D :D

So, if I understand you correctly, all we have to do to avoid laser guns is... cover our cars in lava? Right? :p :D :p

-JiM

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
I thought everyone might be interested in some of these numbers on what is most reflective.
Glossy, mirror-like or retroreflecting surfaces / material: 1)
MATERIAL
REFLECTIVITY

Reflecting foil 3M2000X 1250%
Opaque white plastic 2) 110%

:D :D :D

uh, could you please explain that??? i'm sorry about the creep, just curious.

Nah, concrete should do the trick.

Might need more power though!

...I guess lava is less reflective than concreate...and it weights less too!!!!

The really High numbers imply reflectiveness above what white paper would reflect at; that's all.

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
The really High numbers imply reflectiveness above what white paper would reflect at; that's all.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... hahaha... speed reading worked for me :p

One week after I picked it up, 80 in a 60 in Ohio (from NC, bought in VA)..... d'ouh

Had extensive experience as a user of all of the above.

Laser is no problem unless you need a front plate - I have an old set of Blinders one by each headlight that will cut your detectability down from 'half a mile' down toabout 120 feet.
They have no inside warning though, they are just 'on'.
The newer sets have an internal beeper to tell you you are targetted, then they turn on,much brighter than the old ones. Seems like a good system, but haven't tried it...

The jammer (that my friend has!) is an ARC Intercepter.
You are right , it just blasts away on the X and K bands, no subtlety at all, but it will get the job done.

It has a big problem - if you want to know 'who' is around, you need a good detector - and the ARC will detect the tiny emissions of radar frequency that detectors give off (they do, trust me) and try and jam it! So now you have the ARC screaming a jamming signal most of the time, and the detector trying to tell you that a fleet of AWACs planes is coming!

So you end up choosing to have one or the other, sensitive listening or screaming jammer. With a push button to turn on jamming in a hurry, you can cover both bases, but whats the point? You have picked up the officer and his radar, so now you are going nice and slow, so why jam and risk undue attention?

(My buddy)
has only used it once in anger, tooling along at 100-110, oncoming lane clear to the horizon, he pulls out to pass a farm truck, and there is a police cruiser coming over the horizon.
Pull back in and let him know you are too fast, or finish passing at a much reduced speed - or 'jam'?

As the cop gets closer the detector tells him he has a sudden interest in relative velocities!

So a quick jab of the ARC, and pull over even before he can finish his 'u' turn.

Cop is a pleasant young guy, but seems to have a problem with the actual speed involved, wouldn't say what the problem was but 'knew' he was going too fast.

So come clean, tell him the old farm truck was slow and figured it was best to pass quickly, and "I realise I was speeding." This gives him the out he seemed to be looking for, so he gave him a ticket for 'speeding, 5 over', which suited us both fine.....

(or so my buddy tells me!)

I am sure my buddy has given up his lawless ways now, and attends church regularly for past sins!
S

Okay, I got one this morning. This is really pathetic, and you have to promise not to boo me off the forum: 34 in a 25....not even a proper speeding ticket.

On my way to work down a twisty residential road. As soon as I turned on, I noticed 2 cruisers pulled into a small lot with a Joe Blow, so I decided to just take it easy, rather than drive spirited-like. I was going about 30 in the 25 zone, and after about 50 yards, the road starts to curve to the left, with a fork that goes straight into a neighborhood. I decided to downshift from 3rd to 2nd and accelerate a little bit around the curve. As I was passing neutral, I noticed another cruiser had someone pulled over in the bend. I changed my mind, then noticed a sheriff's deputy Mustang parked next to the fork. Crap. I looked at my speedo: 38. I put it back into 3rd as his wheels started turning, and pulled over about 15m in front of the 1st cruiser.

Long story short - they were responding to complaints; he clocked me accelerating up to 37 mph, and due to my honesty (?) cut me a break by marking it down to 34 +. The good news is that it is $55, rather than the $130 it would have been for 37 in a 25.

that sucks
no ticket for me yet and it's been 45 days of driving the 8

Originally posted by blizz81

Wow, some people sure do go out of their way to get around traffic laws. I do have to say that most of them though, aren't mashing 115mph with a 14-year-old daughter in the car...


With all due respect, 115Mph is really not that fast at all... The "highway" speed limit in the UK was set at 70Mph in the 50's when most cars on the road would struggle to reach it, and would take forever to stop. Modern cars are better at handling, braking etc and in every measurable way are hugely advanced on the cars on the road when this limit was set... I see no logical reason why I should not be allowed to travel at 120+Mph in good conditions when there are few (if any) other cars on the road...

On the autobahn in germany, cars regularly travel on the 155Mph limiters and I know somone who has been passed by derestricted M5 doing an estimated 180Mph... yet the accident rates are broadly similar to other countries with speed limits around 70Mph.

This is my personal opinion by the way, nothing to do with the Forum...

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Originally posted by blizz81

Wow, some people sure do go out of their way to get around traffic laws. I do have to say that most of them though, aren't mashing 115mph with a 14-year-old daughter in the car...

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With all due respect, 115Mph is really not that fast at all... The "highway" speed limit in the UK was set at 70Mph in the 50's when most cars on the road would struggle to reach it, and would take forever to stop. Modern cars are better at handling, braking etc and in every measurable way are hugely advanced on the cars on the road when this limit was set... I see no logical reason why I should not be allowed to travel at 120+Mph in good conditions when there are few (if any) other cars on the road...

On the autobahn in germany, cars regularly travel on the 155Mph limiters and I know somone who has been passed by derestricted M5 doing an estimated 180Mph... yet the accident rates are broadly similar to other countries with speed limits around 70Mph.

This is my personal opinion by the way, nothing to do with the Forum...

...you could be right.....exactly right.

whether in the US or germany 115 is fast

Speed is a "relative" term...it all depends on the circumstances; car/boat/space shuttle/meteor/Sedgeway/kayak....

.....I'll try to stay quiet. And I respect anyone's view since they have a right to it.

Got a pathetic one 2 days ago... 85 KPH in a 50 zone...( 50mph in a 30 zone. Laser detected and i go through that road 50 times a week, straight as an arrow... gotta hate a job where you have to be so pathetic as to charge 245$ can for such a small offense. (and 3 pts ) !!!

Originally posted by mikeb
whether in the US or germany 115 is fast

Sure, 115 is fast on residential streets, but on an empty 4 lane highway, with at least 30-40ft of tarmac either side of the car... it is not fast at all... IMHO.

Everything is relative,... how fast is the typical traffic speed where you live... I often drive here on roads where the average speed of the traffic is 90...

Originally posted by BlueAdept
... I often drive here on roads where the average speed of the traffic is 90...
Whoa, you definitely are NOT talking about the M25 - that is more like 30! :D

Originally posted by B-Nez

Whoa, you definitely are NOT talking about the M25 - that is more like 30! :D

Actually, once I got on the M5 in Devon, and traveled about 200+ miles... M5 -> M4 -> M25 to my exit... with the cruise set to 88, never ONCE touched it, the intersections are all nice and sweeping and so...

A few times I was on a streight section of the M4, and couldn't see an single other car.... infront, or behind.

It was 3am, but hey, that's my point.

I also see high speeds in my area. Even in morning traffic on the high ways, if I am not going at least 85mph I am getting passed by EVERYONE. I am not saying that 115mph is slow, its still fast, but if traffic is moving at 90mph then 115mph isn't too bad :p

After reading this topic yesterday, and considering myself lucky for not getting a ticket, I jumped in my car to get on the highway. I had gone about five miles and was probably doing about 85 in a 65 zone. I saw a cop joining traffic from an onramp about 1/4 mile behind me. I found the parking brake extremely well positioned for a non-brake light/brake sqwat-inducing scrub of speed. I also immediately began thinking of how ironic it would be to get a ticket having just read this thread. However, as on that part of the highway the cops need to pace you (as opposed to radar), and because there were several cars around me doing the same speed, he cruised past me and pulled over another guy who sped past when I slowed. Phew!!

Got a Warning Friday, last week. About 11pm, rural 2-laner, no cars, 45 zone. He was coming towards me & I didn't know he was a cop until he turned on the lights. :mad:

I think I was cruzin about 57 or so.

He asked if I knew how fast I was going. I said "Uh ... well, no! I was just going at a nice comfortable speed, not trying to do anything." He said a couple of times "Well, it's 45 thru there." I said, "Oh, OK. Uh, sorry. I didn't know." (Didn't care to know, actually. A few houses & an elementary school at 11pm. Sidewalks were rolled-up hours ago.)

He started to go into the "nice car, just get it?" scenario, but checked himself after the "nice car!".

Warning.

Question: Do warnings show up on your record? If I get stopped again, will the next cop be able to see that I already got a warning & proceed with a ticket? If so, how long does it stay on your record?

a warning is a verbal warning to my understanding.
There should not be a note of it anywhere

YES, going 40 miles an hour in a 25 mile an hour zone at 8:00 P.M. Cops are everywhere where I live. Traffic school, here I come. lilhondi

It amazes me how much information I've picked up on this site. Fantastic.

I've got a few questions/observations:

1. I'll be dipped if it doesn't look like most of y'all who've been pulled over already have Velocity red! #@%&! I really love the red, but am fearful of getting even a point on my license. Here in NJ, with me being a new insuree (used to live in NY), it took me 2 months to work out an insurance plan. If I get points, they'll likely pull my coverage or jack my rates even more than they're gouging me now (and I don't even have any points now)! BOOOOOOO to NJ.:mad:

2. Radar (as far as I know) is legal in NJ. Farside... do you know more than I do? (well, probably... but about this)? I know CT has had a convoluted past with radar laws, and I think currently it's OK.

3. Reflectivity depends on both absorbtion of the material and surface roughness, right? With laser, would we be theoretically better off reflecting perfectly (hoping the cop has other than a directly incident beam on us), or reflecting diffusely? Ideally, complete absorbtion would be best, right.

4. Considering #3, what is the ideal material to cover a front plate? Any spray coatings? Plastics/glass? Liquid filled plastic? Obviously, it'd have to be transparent.

5. StealthTL, what are these blinders you speak of? I've never heard of them.

Originally posted by mikeb
a warning is a verbal warning to my understanding.
There should not be a note of it anywhere There is such a thing as a written warning in some places. If you get one of those, you will get a copy just like a ticket, and it will go into the system.

---jps

The artist formerly known as StealthTL is under new management!

Blinder Link (http://www.blinder.dk/)

Police laser is either focussed on the plate or the headlights, and the 'Blinders' emit I.R. laser to jam the reflected readings.

They are not illegal, (yet) and are quite inconspicuous. Either side of the front plate on an '8' is an ideal place,and well hidden.
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Originally posted by WankelNY

1. I'll be dipped if it doesn't look like most of y'all who've been pulled over already have Velocity red! #@%&! I really love the red, but am fearful of getting even a point on my license.


That does worry me since I have the red. :( Hence why I already bought the detector, Valentine1, and now am looking at getting a laser jammer.

Originally posted by WankelNY
3. Reflectivity depends on both absorbtion of the material and surface roughness, right? With laser, would we be theoretically better off reflecting perfectly (hoping the cop has other than a directly incident beam on us), or reflecting diffusely? Ideally, complete absorbtion would be best, right.

4. Considering #3, what is the ideal material to cover a front plate? Any spray coatings? Plastics/glass? Liquid filled plastic? Obviously, it'd have to be transparent.


Check out this site, Phantom Plate (http://www.phantomplate.com/). They have a paint that you spray over your plate to block the photoradar. They tested it with the assistance of the Denver police and it works. I'm thinking of picking up a can of this when I get back. Lasts a lifetime, and the can does a total of 6 plates.

Originally posted by WankelNY
5. StealthTL, what are these blinders you speak of? I've never heard of them.


Here is the main website for the Blinder LaserJammer. CLICK HERE (http://www.blinderusa.com/). The M20 X-Treme model is the most current model. This jammer has had some good test results from RadarBusters.com (http://www.radarbusters.com/support/speedlabs/radar-laser-jamming.asp).

I also read that the Lidatek Echo system, HERE (http://www.lidatek.com), is an excellant jammer. Many on the Porsche, Audi, and Bimmer forum sites swear by this jammer. Advantage of this system is that once it spots a laser beam from a gun, it transmits for five seconds and then shuts off for one minute, so it won't be detected. That gives you sufficient time to hit your brakes & get to a legal speed. And by it shutting down automatically you won't so not raise the suspicions of the police officer by continuing to prevent him from getting a speed reading. It is a higher price than the Blinder.

EDIT: Let me point out that you can in effect turn off the Blinder after your hear your alert, and have the same results as the auto shutoff on the Lidatek. You just have to be aware to do that manually, and do it quickly, so you don't get noticed by the police of having a jammer.

Currently I'm trying to decide between the Blinder or the Lidatek for a laser jammer. I'm leaning toward the Lidatek.

Originally posted by Doctorr
... Police laser is either focussed on the plate or the headlights, and the 'Blinders' emit I.R. laser to jam the reflected readings.

They are not illegal, (yet) and are quite inconspicuous. Either side of the front plate on an '8' is an ideal place,and well hidden. Actually, they are illegal in several places. A town, county, or State is capable of making them illegal. One such place is Virginia.

---jps

ALMOST! Thanks to the superb brakes on the 8 I avoided it. Passed a car and ran to 9k in 3rd, shifted to 4th and decided, 'I better slow down', tapped the brakes a time or two and was legal in no time. Soon thereafter a county police in a Ford Explorer came up behind for s good look and then turned off. Whew! Got one in my Miata last Oct., 73 in 55, clear day, no traffic. Ordered an Escort 8500 when I got home. Goes with me everywhere.

Originally posted by Sputnik
Actually, they are illegal in several places. A town, county, or State is capable of making them illegal. One such place is Virginia.

---jps

True. According to the Lidatek website, link (http://www.lidatek.com/faq.html), here are the states where a jammer is illegal.

I'm going on a trip across country. Where can I legally use the LaserECHO?

The LE-20 is legal in every state except California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Virginia, Nebraska, and Washington, D.C.

If I had a jammer and I was passing through those areas, I would just switch off the jammer. I'd be more careful, and take my chances with the Valentine detector, hoping to picking any laser alert from the cop shooting another vehicle. If he laser shoots you directly, you're nailed.

i'll be brief...as I am still counting my blessings.

Just finished Zainoing the 8, so took her to the gas station for a top off and show off.

Had open road - no one in front or behind.

Was doing 80 in a 50 and then radar detecter when bizzerk (instant on warning)...so too late.

Blues and pulled over.

Cop was real nice. Asked alot of questions about the car (not to mention my gun and permit).

He knocked it down to 65 in 50 which will go over more smoothly on the insurance and ticket price.

...I have a real problem with this issue of "laser jammers" being illegal.

It is one thing for the FCC to say I cannot transmit specific frequencies of the radio (microwave or other wavelenghts); yeah I get that.

Laser (904 nanometers) basically works within near "visible" light (just beyond red, which is in the "infra-red" or heat lamp fequencies).

Since 904 nm is fairly close to 700 nm (the color red we see with our eyes), if anybody askes what the device is for, call it something else....like a bug repeller.

Without a reasonable doubt, (take off all radar/laser stickers please), who can prove what you have isn't exactly that - a bug repeller.

I'd even go as far to say that I'd love to change the outside a radar detector or emitter, and build around it, some funky "toaster" - bagel heater that sits on the dash with a piece of stale toast in it. When the police officer asks if it is a radar jammer or detector, just tell him that it's a microwave toaster (I hope the microwave frequency is close to the radar frequency; I'll have to check). To my knowledge, it is legal to use a microwave in your car if you wanted to. So, it leaks a bit (jammer).

...Has anyone tried to heat up some toast with thier radar jammer? (impossible, but who can prove otherwise?).

It's like these forensic techs that work for the DA, gathering info for the courts. It is becoming very hard to help prove cases because attorneys attack the methods of the procedures that the technitions use to gather the data. The typical questions is, "Beyond a reasonable doubt, are you sure that you did your techniques properly? Could there have been a mistake?"

I think the same holds true for jammers and emitters (especially lazer). If you say it is for something else like chasing off bugs with heat...it could very well be fesiable. Can you imagine getting in a cop's face, defending your bug repeller, and that he would even question your integrity? - I don't want bugs on the front of my RX-8, do you?

...it late, I'm getting too creative. Time for bed.

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
...Without a reasonable doubt, (take off all radar/laser stickers please), who can prove what you have isn't exactly that - a bug repeller.

...it late, I'm getting too creative. Time for bed... It must be late, because you aren't getting that creative.

For radar jammers, the letter of the law disallows a transmitter of certain radio frequencies above certain power levels. When written, that law had nothing to do with making radar jammers illegal, it simply had to do with radio transmissions in general (including TVs, radio stations, CB radios, police radios, etc. etc. etc.). That's why there is a $100k fine maximum. The law was intended for radio pirates and the like. Radar jammers just simply fall into that category. Whether you are using that transmitter for traffic radar jamming, toasting your bagels, or as an alternative to vasectomies, it is illegal.

For laser jammers, if it is acting as a laser jammer, it is a laser jammer. Regardless of what sticker is on it. And it will be a relatively simple matter of turning it on and identifying it for what it is, regardless of the label.

---jps

Sputnik quoted:
For radar jammers, the letter of the law disallows a transmitter of certain radio frequencies above certain power levels. When written, that law had nothing to do with making radar jammers illegal, it simply had to do with radio transmissions in general (including TVs, radio stations, CB radios, police radios, etc. etc. etc.). That's why there is a $100k fine maximum. The law was intended for radio pirates and the like. Radar jammers just simply fall into that category. Whether you are using that transmitter for traffic radar jamming, toasting your bagels, or as an alternative to vasectomies, it is illegal.
..."radio pirates"you mean ; those who would try to broadcast their own station.

...we've discussed this before; now I'm posting elsewhere for answers on the doppler question and how to create the correct inverse, stretched signal.

Stupnik quoted:
For laser jammers, if it is acting as a laser jammer, it is a laser jammer. Regardless of what sticker is on it. And it will be a relatively simple matter of turning it on and identifying it for what it is, regardless of the label.
Now Sputnik, don't be offended. Being that infra-red light is not illegal (many things can produce 904nm I would think); who is to say that some other device with a different purpose other than jamming, doesn't create interference?

It's almost how restrictive the Judge wants to be. This is why I brought up the "reasonable doubt" point. Is it really fair to the general public to be looking for a "laser jammer" when it could be something else?

The analogy I'm about to share may seem vague: Who was to know that DDT would affect the hardness of the eggs of pelicans? The FCC has not said it is illegal to transmit 904nm, so why can't it be another source?

Sputnik; I really appreciate your infput on this forum, just so you know

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
..."radio pirates"you mean ; those who would try to broadcast their own station. Yeah, for that and to keep legitimate transmitters using the proper frequencies for the proper use and at the proper strength, and things like that.
Now Sputnik, don't be offended. Being that infra-red light is not illegal (many things can produce 904nm I would think); who is to say that some other device with a different purpose other than jamming, doesn't create interference?

It's almost how restrictive the Judge wants to be. This is why I brought up the "reasonable doubt" point. Is it really fair to the general public to be looking for a "laser jammer" when it could be something else? No offense taken at all.

Like you said, it's up to the judge, how the law is written, precedence, etc.. Let's say that someone makes an aftermarket cruise control system that uses 904nm laser to determine the distance of a vehicle in front of you (so that you don't get too close). Depending on how the law is written, it could be illegal just because it jams traffic laser (even if that's not the intention). Or, it could hold up in court because it has a separate use altogether.

My point is more along the lines that normally, the person being charged with using a jammer will have to show that it is not for jamming traffic laser. And unless the law was written poorly, a person who was using a device to jam traffic laser will have a very hard time proving that he/she wasn't using it to jam traffic laser.

---jps

Originally posted by Sputnik
My point is more along the lines that normally, the person being charged with using a jammer will have to show that it is not for jamming traffic laser. And unless the law was written poorly, a person who was using a device to jam traffic laser will have a very hard time proving that he/she wasn't using it to jam traffic laser.RIP presumption of innocence.

Originally posted by eccles
RIP presumption of innocence. Unfortunately, to an extent, that is the reality in traffic court in alot of places.

Besides, presumption of innocence only goes so far. All they would have to show is that you had a device jamming their laser, that's it. It's up to you to prove that it wasn't used for that.

---jps

....Listen Sputnik; you can shoot me.

If I just had a electronic kit to build....including a "kill switch" - you know - after being stopped, you push the kill button. This destroys the eprom chip. Even if confiscated, nothing can be proven in court that the transmitter did transmit. Turn it on all you want. Shine a radar on it....nothing.

...what a dream - I know.

I'm still posting elsewhere for info and kits.

Jeff