Just got word back from one of our customers who bought a tuner kit. He used an Emanage to tune it and the results were 367WHP :SHOCKED: He is sending the dyno chart and the details in the next day or so. We are still working on one of our test cars.It should be done soon.We had an issue withthe stock ECU that Mazda needed to sort out.Man they are taking their sweet time.



Tim

wowsa

Are we talking about a 2 rotor rx8? :SHOCKED:

Nice! Would definitely like to see the dyno. Any idea on what additions he made to your kit besides the e-manage?

I'd more like to see his car 6 months from now with the OEM rear-end and transmission! :D

Actually, he bought the kit in June and has been running it since July.The only reason he called was that he was having some issue with the Emanage.Otherwise I wouldnt have even known he made so much power! So it has been six months.


On another note, for those that had questioned us about our test car awhile back.....well Danryl was interviewed on ESPN at the Pomona Nationals a couple months ago.So no his car did not blow up and hasnt blown up yet.We just had a problem with the stock ECU which we have been working with Mazda on.

how bout the black rx8 with veilside kit on..was he one of your test mules..i forgot his name, he said he was running the stock ecu at 7stock..

So you went from 287 whp to 367 whp ? What did you do to the kit ?

Please post dyno graph.

Please post dyno graph.

So you went from 287 whp to 367 whp ? What did you do to the kit ?

Just got word back from one of our customers who bought a tuner kit. He used an Emanage to tune it and the results were 367WHP :SHOCKED: He is sending the dyno chart and the details in the next day or so.

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:)

So you went from 287 whp to 367 whp ? What did you do to the kit ?



We are using a larger turbo then the previous one.The customer ran more boost then we have at this point.I think he is running a testpipe and nice cat-back exhaust.

Please post dyno graph.


I am waiting for the customer to scan it and email it to me.

how bout the black rx8 with veilside kit on..was he one of your test mules..i forgot his name, he said he was running the stock ecu at 7stock..


That was Danryl.He was running a stock ECU.We thought their was a problem with the Ric Shaw/TSI computer but there isnt.So it was somehting with the stock ECU.

Are we talking about a 2 rotor rx8? :SHOCKED:


Yes the 2 rotor Renesis motor. :worship:

I'm curious what the problem with the stock ecu is. Any chance you can give some details?

Hi Tim, Damn good news, need much more info so when you get please post. I call you
later...

so if i were to get your tuner kit w/ emanage now, will I be able to attain close to those numbers?

We are using a larger turbo then the previous one.The customer ran more boost then we have at this point.I think he is running a testpipe and nice cat-back exhaust.

You were using the T04 before right ? What are you using now ?

so if i were to get your tuner kit w/ emanage now, will I be able to attain close to those numbers?



This is one of our customers results who had an independant shop install and tune it for him. Before I stick my foot in my mouth and say yes with certainty.......I want to do it on one of our project cars. Hopefully we can reproduce these results.Only then would I be comfortable enough to say yes you can, no problem.

We have had reports back from some of our other customers,from all different parts of the world, and everyone has come within +7/-7 WHP of our orignal 287 that we quoted with the smaller turbo.This was at 8 psi, on pump fuel with our tuning,boost control,etc......

There are only a couple guys with the larger turbo and this was one of them who informed me of his results. He is going to let me know all the particulars and I will be sure to share them here.

You were using the T04 before right ? What are you using now ?

It is still a T4 with a larger compressor wheel, turbine wheel and turbine housing.

Nice! 367whp is impressive, how much torque we looking at?

if he get that thing to live i know what im saving up for

You know, you really cant post "Good news" like this without some sort of proof.

You should have waited until you had the graph.

hey tim glad to know you saw that on ESPN. I tried to get the name out there as much as i can. hope you like it

Oh no, not another thread about crazy HP claims that can't be substantiated...

nice... waiting for slip.

Don't hold your breath, we've been through this before.

This shit is gay...................

No dyno sheet, no timing slip, no way.

Why even bother posting "I heard from a guy...."..?

S

don't be naive, I can post a dyno sheet or timing slip showing anything I want it to, you call that proof? If a person is going to lie then everything is suspect. In this case I think SFR has made it clear that this is still a testing situation from an independent source and they're being cautiously guarded about making any wild claims. There's no need to start the negative BS machine folks.

me personally i dont like sfr i dont feel there kit is a full kit they never posted proof of there gains from there kits, instead i saw a video of a person speeding down a busy road and a short video of a rx8 on a dyno ud think they would show a slip or something to show 287hp but no u just see the car on the dyno.

I have met Tim @ SFR, looking for couplers for my Wife's turbo miata and found Tim to be very cool to deal with, had some very nice projects in his shop, as well as his turbo 350z. Made me seriously consider boosting my 8, I think I will still wait a year or two will my warranty has expired. I would do buisness with him.

Kyle Lancaster

It's me with the 367whp rx8. My car is up at Archer Racing now due to my stock ecu overpowering or whatever the emanage, and it did one pull at 367 then another pull at 328whp and the shop i had it at had problems tuning the emanage and now the car doesn't pull boost due to wiring issues. At Dyno Tune USA which did the install and tuning, he said it was easily achievable to get over 400whp but he was having trouble with the emanage working with the stock ecu.
It's getting new engine management up at Archer Racing in Duluth (turbo xs utec, and hks ignition upgrades)when i get it back, i'll personally scan the dyno sheet onto this forum. engine upgrades include...(sfr turbo kit(t4 turbo, tim talked about), nitrous express intercooler kit, 9si on 93 octane gas, 3 inch test pipe-no resonators or cats with 3 inch mandrel bent single exit JIC exhaust out left rear side(like the JIC rx8), sr motorsport pulley's and racing beat flywheel, 550cc injectors, with greddy profec b boost controller, and greddy turbo timer, boost gauge and egt gauge by Greddy.
I'll have the car back sometime the last week of february, so don't anticipate dyno sheets till then, and if i can, i'll get some a/f ratios and stuff from the Utec system. I live in Sioux Falls, SD.

That is Outstanding. This shop is so close to me my credit cards are heating up already! Cannot wait to see your results. Best of luck to you, I just may follow in your footsteps here...

Kyle

Can't wait to see the proof!

Very cool, can't wait to see the results either!

I'm interested in the TurboXS Utec. Are you going to be using this as a standalone? How much customization will have to be done to integrate it?

Very cool to hear from you. good luck with your engine management and keep up the good work. Im glad we will finally see some proof!

So you 'used to have' a 367whp RX8, right? :) ;)


he said it was easily achievable to get over 400whp but he was having trouble with the emanage working with the stock ecu.

Did you ask him "If it was easy to get over 400whp, why are you having trouble?"


Nothing is easy. More-than-doubling the stock output isn't easy on ANY production car I am familiar with.

Wow. Amazing difference between 9psi on a T4 and 9psi on the TD06.... almost 100 ponies. Did you guys run timing with the eManage?

First I hear about this, but why don't you get the Intercepter-X and say goodbye to all your ECU problems? I know it aint cheap...but for Turbo's that's the only way to go right now, most of us think that anyway.

A 367whp RX8 would be impressive to say the least.

First I hear about this, but why don't you get the Intercepter-X and say goodbye to all your ECU problems? I know it aint cheap...but for Turbo's that's the only way to go right now, most of us think that anyway.

A 367whp RX8 would be impressive to say the least.

A lot of people without a turbo are sure quick to say one solution is "the only way to go". Kinda irks me. Are you keeping up with the progress being made on this stuff? If you are, you would see that the ECU is really not part of the equation for the eManage anymore. The Int X is a better solution - but not the only one. I'm going to be over 10psi pretty soon. After I get tired of that, I'm going to get a 550cc injectors and push the boost up a few more #'s. All of this will be using the eManage. There's really no reason not to. Its essentially running as a standalone on my car - at least in the same way the Int X is a standalone.

The shop with the laptop plugged in had trouble getting the emanage to show rpm signals, and when he was tuning it, the stock ecu kept pulling timing, that's why he was only able to do two pulls with two different results. Then as i drove it home i got onto the Interstate and got on it in 2nd gear and fish tailed the whole way onto the interstate and part of third gear before i let off and the car started acting funning with the cruise control and it started to miss fire, only with the cruise control and i pulled over and had the trouble of restarting it. it seemed the emanage cut out and the stock ecu was trying to run with the 550cc injectors and it kept running way to rich and would take forever to start whenever i tried, so i just ended up trailering it back to my house until i brought it to Archer Racing.







So you 'used to have' a 367whp RX8, right? :) ;)




Did you ask him "If it was easy to get over 400whp, why are you having trouble?"


Nothing is easy. More-than-doubling the stock output isn't easy on ANY production car I am familiar with.

MD, I understand that by having complete control over those larger injectors you control a much greater % of fuel than with the way Greddy had it set up. But when the ecu sees AFR that are richer than it likes, can't it still pull fuel from the other 4 injectors? Granted it won't be able to pull nearly as much, but if you are running an AFR already around 12 and pushing that kinda boost, I would think even a few % could cause problems.

One thing I'd like to know is instead of using the cold temp dongle to fool the ecu, which in my opinion is the single worst feature of the emanage setup, why not use a dongle similar to the air pump dongle. A dongle that alters the WB 02 signal to the ecu under boost so it has no idea whats going on.

I estimate that the PCM can only alter the total fuel delivered under boost by about +/- 4% with the improved fuel strategy. From my tuning, I'd say that would be enough to raise or lower the AFR by about 0.3 or so. So, I really don't care too much if the PCM trims what fuel it can. But, my LTFT has remained unchanged. I never have the 'too rich' CEL that the interceptor guys have and I suspect they are tuning to the same AFR. I don't know why, but the PCM doesn't get pissed at this setup.

intakedrotary: You have an emanage, but did you make the improvements that MadDog and MazdaManiac discovered?

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=81825

A lot of people without a turbo are sure quick to say one solution is "the only way to go". Kinda irks me. Are you keeping up with the progress being made on this stuff?

I have been reading the thread on definitive Greddy fixes from Maddog and MazdaManiac...got me thinking the emanage isnt all bad... I especially like watching Maddogs sig getting changed on the boost psi...one day its 7...then 8.5...now 9.

Keep up the good work.

Tremor

^ Haha. Glad someone noticed that. Watch for 10psi, coming to a sig near you.

He couldn't have had this setup if the PCM was still controlling his 550cc injectors.

A lot of people without a turbo are sure quick to say one solution is "the only way to go".

"most of us think that"

Look, I don't know if your having a bad day or what but I won't apologize for my opinion that based on what I have read here most people agree the Inter-X is the best solution for Turbo's.

I won't lie to you, I don't come to this section often (because I'm not really ready to mod my 8 anyway) but last I heard the eManage was considered crap. If you all have figured out a way to use it (fixed it's issues) then more power to you all, heck it's cheaper and if 10psi is working that is impressive.

More power to the eManage...you relax and I'll go read up, agreed?

I might be irritable, but at least I'm informed - and up about $1311.

MadDog I aint going to get into it with you man...I'm glad they fixed the emanage and it's working for you, heck that just makes the Greddy Turbo kit even better of a bang for your buck.

I'm informed about ALOT of stuff...but not everything, and I'm OK with that...have a better day...

Thanks for coming on here Jerad and sharing your results.Before you came on here, everyone thought I was a liar and I was getting all sorts of negative responses, as usual...................

I think I echo the feelings of everyone else who says I'll believe it when I see it.

MadDog I aint going to get into it with you man...I'm glad they fixed the emanage and it's working for you, heck that just makes the Greddy Turbo kit even better of a bang for your buck.They?
Keep talking...

Thanks for coming on here Jerad and sharing your results.Before you came on here, everyone thought I was a liar and I was getting all sorts of negative responses, as usual...................

Dude, I for one am pleased you posted this information as soon as you could, instead of hiding away preparing to prove every aspect of your post.

I am keen to see the dyno charts and further info on the build......not for "proof" but for reference :rock:

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Keep talking...


:werd: :scratchhe

Thanks for coming on here Jerad and sharing your results.Before you came on here, everyone thought I was a liar and I was getting all sorts of negative responses, as usual................... Im sorry. We just feel we keep being promised stuff and hardly ever revieve it in terms of the power department. I had no problem believeing your kit had potential, it was set up like 2 other kits making high power. We just wanted some credible evidence because we have been promised alot so far by alot of people.

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Keep talking...

Yes...I mean you MazdaManic, I saw the thread he was talking about and congrats on helping everyone else with the emanage.

I didn't mean Greddy fixed it, heck if anything you might have convinced me that Greddy's turbo aint so bad after all. It aint bad...but the intial problem with the emanage was causing trouble as you know.

If what MadDog is true (he is running 10psi without a problem)...I think 10 would be enough for me while I hope and pray the Inter-x came down in price.

MadDog just had his panties in a twist, no biggy.

A lot of people without a turbo are sure quick to say one solution is "the only way to go". Kinda irks me. Are you keeping up with the progress being made on this stuff? If you are, you would see that the ECU is really not part of the equation for the eManage anymore. The Int X is a better solution - but not the only one. I'm going to be over 10psi pretty soon. After I get tired of that, I'm going to get a 550cc injectors and push the boost up a few more #'s. All of this will be using the eManage. There's really no reason not to. Its essentially running as a standalone on my car - at least in the same way the Int X is a standalone.

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I don't know what part of this post is a personal affront to you. Stop being so sensitive. Its not conducive to constructive forum discussions.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=80806
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I wish the guy with this setup would give it another go with the fuel strategy that I am running with the eManage. I'll bet he could get the 367HP and actually get home from the dyno! :mdrmed:

Here is a dyno chart from our Black testcar.

http://www.speedforceracing.com/images/products/mazda/rx8/tubokit/rx8_1_6.jpg

well this non-tubo guy congratulates you all for what you've accomplished to date, and will accomplish in the future ....

Why does the dyno end at 7850rpm?

Because the power was falling off.Why redline it if it is not making anymore power?

Visited your site. Very impressive, but $7500 is up there. Still, once the warranty is up I may consider it.

Nice work!

Also I think the power is falling off because the butterfly set-up.
We did not mess with it at all.We might experiment with it and see if there is more there.Another idea we have and one of our customers will be testing out real soon is the use of an even larger turbo and intercooler to see if we can make even more power.We have our sites set on 400WHP with just this turbo kit and an exhaust.

Thats very impressive! Looking forward to even more! I've seen what you have done with the Z and i cant wait to see where you take the 8. If im not mistakin i believe you are running the Emanage as your engine management option. Have you looked at the emanage fixes by mazdamaniac and maddog? Could that help more? Are you still planning to move to the UTEC unit by Turbo XS when that unit becomes available?

hey tim how much am i boosting right now?

hey tim how much am i boosting right now?do you not have a boost gauge?

-hS

Because the power was falling off.Why redline it if it is not making anymore power?

Understandable.

However, why is power falling off at that point? Fuel? I assume the turbo has no problems flowing all the way to redline...

i havent picked the car up

Understandable.

However, why is power falling off at that point? Fuel? I assume the turbo has no problems flowing all the way to redline...



I think it has to do with the butterflies or the fact that the motor needs a street, bridge or race port,etc......to increase the efficiency.

Does the kit come with any kind of warranty?

Also, what octane are you running to get these numbers?

I think it has to do with the butterflies or the fact that the motor needs a street, bridge or race port,etc......to increase the efficiency.

Doh! That's right... now that you mention it, some guys from PR were saying that about their experience with the Renesis. THey said they couldn't push more than something like 350whp.... even with larger injectors and upgraded fuel system.

It might be time to port, or more likely from what many have said... work on the exhaust port and sleeves

hey tim how much am i boosting right now?


haha nice plug ;)

Why redline it if it is not making anymore power?
Because the RX-8 doesn't have a CVT. Not trying to be a wise ass but at 8500 rpm it might still make more torque at the rear wheels than if one were to shift to the next gear at max power already.

Anyway, congrats to your achievement.