i just got done talking to these guys in person and got all the info in this kit.

this kit uses stock ecu with bigger injectors. only run 4 psi but uses a big supercharger. they have had no problems with this kit at all so far and going to release it feb or march 2006 for around 4k the power out put for this kit is 230whp

the kit looks very clean in person im going to get this when it comes out

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is this the one from sema with adifferent intercooler set up or is this anoterh company with similar setup?

it same on but this is the final version of it what u see is the 1 there going to release

How is fuel management handled?

stock ecu with bigger fuel injectors

it same on but this is the final version of it what u see is the 1 there going to release


Huh? :confused:

stock ecu with bigger fuel injectors


I wonder does this mean they are planning to reflash the stock ecu... I can't imagine the same ecu running my car n/a right now w/o any tune or change can run a s/c.


O and what was the change between this kit and the one at sema? Thanks for the updates though. :)

his first response was saying this is the company i was refering to as being at sema and this is the final release version.

they are not changing the pcm maps because the maps are broad enough to handle this level of boost when using bigger injectors

^^^ thnx for the clarification. Didn't they mention they were using a different octane fuel also?

i wouldnt use anything lower than 91 or whatever the highest premium is your area

toca your signature picture is too large please reduce the height of it

i wouldnt use anything lower than 91 or whatever the highest premium is your area

I see. So no tuning would be needed? Hm not bad good for someone that is looking for bolton and go performance.

Can't really tell from the pictures but when you seen it at sema were they using a twin screw s/c or a roots?

its a roots se the thread here http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=75818

i wouldnt use anything lower than 91 or whatever the highest premium is your area
Even with the crappy CA gas? I'd be a little scared.

:werd:

Toca, It's look great! Do you know how's the torque plot? :boring:

the tq is 200kw dont know what that is in tq but thats the number this kit uses a big blower to gets its power and yes the car is running off 91 octane the car only running 4 psi but with a big supercharger its giving them power the ecu is all stock no flash just with the big injectors they said they have yet to have 1 problem with this thats why there going to release feb ot march 06

Just out of curiositly, what state's 91 octane were they testing this on?

I can't wait to here the reports on this one, I have a really hard time buying you could boost a car with no change in the engine management, most due to the really aggresive timing which I would think you'd need to back off.

Not saying it can't be done, hell, if they have, more power to them. They appear to have designed the kit and boost levels to fit that strategy.

Hopefully we can get some first person impressions soon.

they are in cali

Just out of curiositly, what state's 91 octane were they testing this on?

just as long as you don't get ANY kind of gas from an ARCO/BP gas pump here in cali (even if premium) you should be fine ;)

I wonder how well that intercooler really works right there. And also 4k seems a bit expensive for no engine management.

Did you happen to get a close up of that spec sheet they had on the car? If its the same one I saw at SEMA its running 6.5 psi boost, not 4. They told me four at SEMA as well and then you look at the spec sheet and it says .45 kg/cm^3. I'm curious to know what boost they are pulling power numbers from, if its 4 psi the spec sheet they have on the car isn't valid.

i spoke to a tall filipino guy with long spiky hair at D1 on sat. the info i got was quite different then what was given to you. he told me they were making 260 to the wheels and 200 kw of torque. he also said they were using stock injectors though. i asked him twice to make sure and he stuck to his guns on both occasions. he claims he drives the car everyday and that he knew the car well. maybe he was a bit slow :Drooling_

denward

hmm i talked to the shortor guy not the spike guy it said 260 crank and 230 whp with bigger injectors lol but eve so what ever its proved it works im still going to get it

WTF... 200kW of torque???

BTW - 0.45 kg/cm^3 = 6.4PSI.

I wish I could have posted pics without the strutbrace in-place an have nobody complain!! Hehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yeah I knew it was 6.4 psi but 6.5 sounds better :naughty: I'm not sure but the units on for 200kw of torque dont really work out :dunno: I think I talked with the tall guy at SEMA, i think his name was Chris.

It sounds promising, but I wonder how it will be affected by those of us with opened exhaust systems - high flow cats/mid-pipes, cat backs headers. Will we then run too lean?

^ that's not a concern for superchargers, is it? I thought the issue was lack of back pressure making the turbo spool up. but wtf do I know...

Well, we're seeing more power from the exhausts on our car not only reducing backpressure, but also leaning out the mixture a bit, correct?

If a headerback system is in fact leaning out the AFR's, does the factory ECU compensate the fuel to make everything "better" - if so I'm concerned with nothing.

Anyone care to explain? To me, lean is lean no matter whether we're running an SC or TC. Either way is not good news.

Would a CZ unit be an acceptable e-manage ( tho limited or basic) for this FI application?

I can't wait to here the reports on this one, I have a really hard time buying you could boost a car with no change in the engine management, most due to the really aggresive timing which I would think you'd need to back off.


well, the greddy kit uses stock ignition timing. I'd wager the system works because of the stock afr in the mid-low 12's, and at only 4psi your still within what the stock airflow maps can handle so your afr will remain in the mid 12's which is acceptable for this amount of boost


if those assumptions are correct, its not the ideal setup for getting the most amount of power the engine can handle... but it could be a nice bolt-on kit that delivers decent power and no headaches.

well, the greddy kit uses stock ignition timing. I'd wager the system works because of the stock afr in the mid-low 12's, and at only 4psi your still within what the stock airflow maps can handle so your afr will remain in the mid 12's which is acceptable for this amount of boost


if those assumptions are correct, its not the ideal setup for getting the most amount of power the engine can handle... but it could be a nice bolt-on kit that delivers decent power and no headaches.

well, the greddy unit hasn't exactly been trouble free, as evidenced by the folks developing ECU's to fix the problems with the greddy turbo. (not to mention the blown motors)

that said, this is certainly lower boost levels, so its possible it might work. I'll be curious to see over time. I'm overly conservative by nature, hence my usual healthly sceptisim.

i'm still baffled as to how 200kw torque translates into Lbs. torque :confused:

Oh FFS - kW is not a unit of torque...

yea isn't that for horsepower?

Kilowatts are a power measure! torque relates to force, hence the expressions Pounds per foot, Kilograms per meter, Newtons per meter, etc.

This level of inaccuracy makes me wonder if this guys know what they are doing...

This level of inaccuracy makes me wonder if this guys know what they are doing...

Ya gotta wonder, hey?

Touché, mate!

I hope it's just a misunderstanding, the blower looks pretty nice though...

I agree with another poster, for such a relatively simple setup (no engine managment) i dont see why on earth anyone would buy this kit for 4k...

Hmmmmmm....

hate to bump a old thread, not sure if anyone read that little snip bit about this supercharger in the lastest SCC, apparently power enterprise scrapped this supercharger idea, I guess they were having problems. So I guess another one bites the dust.

ok ... 4K for 230whp that is it.. ? com on man save your money. i paid 5k and i have 250 with just 6 psi and running rich + cat .. i mean we were saying greddy is too $ for the amout of HP it can put out now we are happy with 230whp for 4k ?