Looking into getting one of these in the next month.

Anyone have one of these?

http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226r-tactical-large.jpg

Specs:

Classic Full Size P226R Tactical

The P226R Tactical features the extended threaded barrel just like those used is combat by elite special forces. The P226 has set the standard by which all other combat handguns are measured and is in use by the U.S. Navy SEALs, Federal agents and the legendary Texas Rangers.


* Extended Threaded Barrel
* Hard-Anodized Alloy Frame
* Stainless Steel Slide With Nitron® Finish
* Easy To Operate And Maintain With Four Point Safety System
* Distributed Exclusively Through Ellett Brothers
* May Not Be Legal For Purchase In Some States

Caliber 9mm

Trigger Pull DA/SA
10.0lbs/4.5lbs

Overall Length
8.60 inches

Overall Height
5.50 inches

Overall Width
1.50 inches

Barrel Length
4.98 inches

13.5x1 Left Hand Threading

Sight Radius
6.30 inches

Sights
SIGLITE® Night Sights

Weight w/ Mag
31.7 oz

Mag Capacity
10 or 15 Rounds
Subject to state and local laws

Available Finishes
Nitron®

Why not a P228? You could play Counter-strike... but for real!

Desert Eagle or walk IMO.
http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg

I would highly recommend either the HK USP Tactical or the Glock 27.

Desert Eagle or walk IMO.
http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg
That's a beautiful gun but seriously, if you're carrying more than .45, you're crazy. Now, if yer just collecting to go shooting or just to look, fine.

That's a beautiful gun but seriously, if you're carrying more than .45, you're crazy. Now, if yer just collecting to go shooting or just to look, fine.
No way man, you're the crazy one. If you can't see daylight through their chest, whats the damn point!!

Yeah, the .50 is only good for causing damage to the webbing of your thumb.
I snapped off 5 or 6 rounds on one of thse and I was through.
Had a bruise the next morning.

I'm not a big fan of the 9mm round (if Mehmet Ali Agca had a .45 and not a 9mm, the Pope would have been dead in '81), but I prefer the Browning over the Sigarms.

I'll just stick with my trusty 1911a.

And we would need this because ... ?

I don't like 9mm or sig's.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63391&stc=1

That Sig Tactical is pretty nice, but the price you pay for it over a standard 226 just isn't worth it.

That being said, I'm a 1911 man myself, although I own quite a few pistols, my Kimber CDP Compact for carry, and my Kimber Target Match are my favorites. :)

Trevor

I highly recomend Sigs, they have one of the nicest trigger pulls on double action and also excellent on single. The grip has a very nice fit for me. Like any gun if it fits well and points well in your hand it should shoot well, so go to a shop and have a hold.

The model you are looking at is a bit overkill you will be paying for stuff you don't need. The threading on the end is for a suppressor which as far as i know is highly illegal in the US and if caught with one you will end up being Bubba's wife in a federal prison!

Also because its exclusive through only one distributor they will charge a premium for that model because not all gun shops will deal with Ellet bros.

There are quite a lot of varriants of the 226 available now. many with a lot of the features of the tactical the things to make sure it has are:
blackened stainless slide
tac rail underneath
nite sights

Then it is basically the same as the tactical, if its a defence gun i would recomend .40 cal only a few less in the mag and more power than 9mm. By the way i have been in the firearms industry for a long time and find Sigs extremely good quality and reliable and rate them up the top with the 1911

The .50 is crazy, i find them really uncontrollable. Just too much recoil the .44 in the same gun is much nicer to shoot. I will say in the .50's defence that the flame out the end is dam impresive! :)

And we would need this because ... ?

To shoot bullets, of course. The damn things don't go anywhere otherwise :)

And we would need this because ... ?

I had to field test why criminals can fire 500 rounds at something and still manage not to hit anything.

Here is a pic of me conducting such experiment....
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63394&stc=1

If you're actually wondering, not only can you not hit anything, but the shell cases sometimes hit you in the head.

OH and lastly another reason I would recommend a Kimber is because that pistol has fired over 1000 rounds without a misfire or jam.

Nice side angled grip. I've never understood why you'd turn the gun like that and make it scientifically impossible to use the sights.

To shoot bullets, of course. The damn things don't go anywhere otherwise :)

Of course, I should have thought of that myself! Same reason I need a new electric guitar - because when I play air guitar, no noise comes out!

Thanks for clearing that up.

I love the gangsta pistol grip. Quick way to shoot the guy next to you.

I shoot left-handed, so I know all about being hit by hot brass. Even with the basket, I still take one in the goggles from time to time.

A dumb question from a guy who lives in a country that makes private ownership of handguns all but illegal.........do you blokes carry these weapons around with you all the time? Or is it a just a case of going prepared when travelling through an area where the Escalades have 24" chrome wheels? ;)

It depends on where you live as far as legality goes.
In DC (where private gun ownership is need the most) you cannot own or carry a pistol. So, only the criminals have them.
In Santa Fe, people wear a sidearm into the bank. Consequently, there is really no immanent need for them.
A keep mine as proscribed by the laws of the state of Maryland so that it will be available to me should I need it.

BTW - Escalades with 24" chrome wheels are everywhere here in suburban Maryland. There is no "area".

BTW - Escalades with 24" chrome wheels are everywhere here in suburban Maryland. There is no "area".

Hahahaha......I've been watching too much MTV, obviously!!

A keep mine as proscribed by the laws of the state of Maryland so that it will be available to me should I need it.



Right. That didn't answer my question though. How often do you guys carry them, should it be legal in your state to do so? Only after dark? Only to the range?

Only when necessary - which is every time I leave the house.

Right. That didn't answer my question though. How often do you guys carry them, should it be legal in your state to do so? Only after dark? Only to the range?
I've had a concealed carry license for ten years and can count on one hand (and a couple of fingers) the number of times I've actually carried a gun on my person in public (aside from being on the shooting range). I don't make it a habit of going places where I'm likely to be shot. In theory, I could be shot anywhere I go. But my main concern is having one in the house and for the occasional carry when I need it.

Looking into getting one of these in the next month.

Anyone have one of these?

http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226r-tactical-large.jpg

Specs:

Classic Full Size P226R Tactical

The P226R Tactical features the extended threaded barrel just like those used is combat by elite special forces. The P226 has set the standard by which all other combat handguns are measured and is in use by the U.S. Navy SEALs, Federal agents and the legendary Texas Rangers.


* Extended Threaded Barrel
* Hard-Anodized Alloy Frame
* Stainless Steel Slide With Nitron® Finish
* Easy To Operate And Maintain With Four Point Safety System
* Distributed Exclusively Through Ellett Brothers
* May Not Be Legal For Purchase In Some States

What's your reasoning behind getting one of these vs the standard 226? Have you ever actually shot a gun? Why do you want a gun?

Desert Eagle or walk IMO.
http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg
Can anyone say "boat anchor?" DEs are pointless and no sane, law-abiding, gun owner would carry one of these pieces of junk. :dunce:

I don't like 9mm or sig's.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63391&stc=1
Kimber makes nice guns, but you can get a Springfield for less money. I personally love my 1911A1.

I would highly recommend either the HK USP Tactical or the Glock 27.
Wow, those are two guns at the opposite ends of the scale. Personally, I wouldn't recommend the HK USP Tac to anyone unless they were planning on competing or just using it for target practice. If they want concealed carry, the HK USP Compact (in .40 cal) is the way to go, IMNSHO.

The Glock is nice too, but the slide will bite beefier hands (I have the scar to prove it).

Only when necessary - which is every time I leave the house.

Ok....I need to google Maryland now.....

Mary Land, sounds like such a safe and happy place to live. Who ever heard of a Mary who was violent....!!!

Ok....I need to google Maryland now.....

Mary Land, sounds like such a safe and happy place to live. Who ever heard of a Mary who was violent....!!!
It depends on where in Maryland you live. If I lived in Maryland, I wouldn't go anywhere in Baltimore without a gun.

What's your reasoning behind getting one of these vs the standard 226? Have you ever actually shot a gun? Why do you want a gun?

Personally I could take either, my friend's dad is a cop and loves this gun, so it comes with high recommendations.

I've held the standard p226 and I liked the feel of it, it felt sturdy, I liked the trigger pull. Longer barrel= greater accuracy, greater muzzle velocity. Its got fancy glow in the dark sights just like those luminox watches, stainless slide and a flashlight rail. Who wouldn't want all that?

I initially wanted this gun:

http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/96FSBrigadierInox_S_maxi.jpg

The Beretta 96 Brigadier Inox .40 S&W

I've fired the 9mm version that is close to this, and I loved the feel of the gun, so smooth and sleek, but its a bit hefty.

I was hard pressed to decide between these two guns, but then I realized that I can have both in time :)

Why I want a gun?... To shoot things of course.

Why not a P228? You could play Counter-strike... but for real!

P228 is the compact version of the P226, the barrel is a 1/2" shorter.

I personally love my 1911A1.
Nothing better. Ever.
I've got two - one that is plain and blacked. No mods or anything (just grips). This is my "main" piece.
The other is my "show" piece - nickle plated, lots 'o goodies.
If it is good enough to have been the main weapon for soldiers and police for nearly a century, it is good enough for me.

It depends on where in Maryland you live. If I lived in Maryland, I wouldn't go anywhere in Baltimore without a gun.
Yes. It is currently the murder capital of the US.
I'm in Silver Spring at the moment (20 miles south of B-More) where there is a rape or murder every day.
I get accosted nearly daily by roving "gangs" of 3 to 5 looking for "pocket change".
It looks like Mogadishu here more and more each day.:icon_no2:

I personally own the P220 and I love it. It is reliable, never jams...(of course you don't want to use the 10cent ammo :Freak_ani Otherwise the kick is VERY little and I personally like it better than any other gun I have fired. I know many officers in Denver that use these as a main carry. Great quality, easy to fire and disassemble/reassemble. I don't think you can go wrong if you get a sig. Highly recommend them. :ylsuper:

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State Cat: Calico, with colors resembling the Maryland flag

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You are taking the piss, Jeff. No way Mary Land is violent.

Milk is the state drink!!

I don't like 9mm or sig's.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63391&stc=1

Very nice!

The only reason I want this one in 9mm is it's just more of a fun shooting range gun with an edge to it. If I wanted one for serious protection I would probably get a .45 or .44 Mag revolver.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/163504_large.jpg

Yah a 9mm is quite cheeper to shoot. But .45 ammo is only $18-20 for 50rds at Walmart :)

Love my Glock 23 but like Madronin said you gotta watch the slide...It only got me once...

Guns don't kill People......I do :)

-Anonymous

half the lawyers I know in Houston have conceal carry permits, I don't personally own a gun but I feel better knowing that their are plenty of law abiding folks that do. People tend to rob stores alot less here.....I wonder why.

And you can forget breaking into someones house in Texas, that is nearly suicide.

I love my State :)

Very nice!

The only reason I want this one in 9mm is it's just more of a fun shooting range gun with an edge to it. If I wanted one for serious protection I would probably get a .45 or .44 Mag revolver.

If all you want is a range gun to go plinking, buy a .22 pistol. They're cheaper and has a fun factor of 11. If you're serious about range shooting, whether it be for competition or hobby, then I would still not recommend any "tactical" pistol. Most of the standard firearm offerings from Sig, HK, S&W, Glock, Beretta, Taurus, etc, are more accurate than the person shooting them.

A .44 mag for personal protection is overkill. For carry, there isn't a .44 mag out there that's comfortable to carry. For home protection you need to be concerned with over penetration. A .44 mag would have no problem going through a burglar the wall behind them, and into the person in the next room.

I prefer the .40 cal round for a carry gun. You get most of the capacity of a 9mm (a good marksman, btw, only needs one round ;)) and the stopping power of a .45. For home protection I have my 12 gauge where the sound of a round going into the chamber is enough of a deterent. And if I needed to use it, I have 3" mag rounds that won't over penetrate.

now i heard somewhere that even with a carry and conceal license you still have to leave your gun in the trunk while driving? is this correct?

second, do i need to have a gun to go to a shooting range or can i rent or borrow one there (i wanna learn how to shoot, but i really can't justify buying a gun atm)?

third, does anyone know of any shooting ranges in the western suburbs of philly...i wanna learn to shoot, i've only shot two guns in my life, a .22 rifle and an AK-47 but i dunno how to shoot with a pistol.

now i heard somewhere that even with a carry and conceal license you still have to leave your gun in the trunk while driving? is this correct?

second, do i need to have a gun to go to a shooting range or can i rent or borrow one there (i wanna learn how to shoot, but i really can't justify buying a gun atm)?

third, does anyone know of any shooting ranges in the western suburbs of philly...i wanna learn to shoot, i've only shot two guns in my life, a .22 rifle and an AK-47 but i dunno how to shoot with a pistol.Feras - in PA if you have a CCW permit you may carry your firearm on your person anywhere in the state except for certain areas such as goverment buildings, airports, schools, or any place that has posted rules against firearms. You do not have to put your gun in the trunk of your car.

However, if you do not have a CCW permit, and you wish to transport your gun, you may not carry it on your person, even in the car. And the gun and ammunition must be in separate containers; meaning it cannot be loaded.

I know that French Creek Outfitters in Phoenixville rents guns to people to use on their indoor range. I've never tried it, though.

As for a local shooting range, I haven't looked hard to find one. Haven't had the time. I do know of one in Lower Providence, PA, but you need a sponsor to become a member. Zoom44 told me of one around Downingtown, but I haven't had time to check that one out either.

Shooting ranges are for responsible people. Just pile up some sandbags down in the basement. :D:

Shooting ranges are for responsible people. Just pile up some sandbags down in the basement. :D:Growing up my dad and I knew of two guys that had shooting ranges in their basements. One guy shot nothing but light rounds and archery. The other guy had a class III weapons permit and used to shoot full autos with silencers. Good stuff. :D:

MadRonin, you say the DEagle's pointless, but I once met a guy from Texas who had the big .50AE. I ran up and tried to mug him and all he did was pull it out and wave the bright, shiny thing around. The mugger apparently said "Holy FUCK! Don't shoot!" turned and ran.

On the other hand, I agree with you. A Desert Eagle is just for taking your buddies to the range and being able to say "My gun is much bigger than yours".

Personally, one of my favourite pistols is a .68cal... it's a flintlock... lol.

Growing up my dad and I knew of two guys that had shooting ranges in their basements. One guy shot nothing but light rounds and archery. The other guy had a class III weapons permit and used to shoot full autos with silencers. Good stuff. :D:
That's damn cool. How would one go about obtaining this class III permit? :angel:

you gotta sleep with the president

It's cool. I doll up real nice. :p:

If all you want is a range gun to go plinking, buy a .22 pistol. They're cheaper and has a fun factor of 11. If you're serious about range shooting, whether it be for competition or hobby, then I would still not recommend any "tactical" pistol. Most of the standard firearm offerings from Sig, HK, S&W, Glock, Beretta, Taurus, etc, are more accurate than the person shooting them.

A .44 mag for personal protection is overkill. For carry, there isn't a .44 mag out there that's comfortable to carry. For home protection you need to be concerned with over penetration. A .44 mag would have no problem going through a burglar the wall behind them, and into the person in the next room.

I prefer the .40 cal round for a carry gun. You get most of the capacity of a 9mm (a good marksman, btw, only needs one round ;)) and the stopping power of a .45. For home protection I have my 12 gauge where the sound of a round going into the chamber is enough of a deterent. And if I needed to use it, I have 3" mag rounds that won't over penetrate.

Yeah, I have a home kept 12 gauge also(and a few swords and big knives), I was more interested in the .44 mag in terms of wild animal protection.

.22 sounds pretty fun, I haven't looked into any though.

compound bows, that's where it's at. Guns are for pu$$y's.
http://www.cinepop.com.br/fotos/blade3_2.jpg
Can you imagine walking around with a compound bow on your back?

PS. Ryan Reynolds was fricken ripped in that movie. Damn

That's damn cool. How would one go about obtaining this class III permit? :angel:First you have to move to a state that allows sale and ownership of Class III weapons. NY is not one of those states. Next you find a firearms dealer that is licensed to sell NFA (National Firearms Act) weapons. The process is the same for any other firearm sale, except that you must file a form with the BATF and pay a transfer tax ($200+). Included on the form is a CLEO (Certified Law Enforcement Officer) section which must be signed by a qualified LEO such as your local sheriff. Provided you're approved, it takes about three months to get your Class III license, and it only applies to that one firearm.

note - A while back I mentioned that it cost upwards of $3k to get a Class III license. That applies to Class III dealers, not private owners.

compound bows, that's where it's at. Guns are for pu$$y's.
http://www.cinepop.com.br/fotos/blade3_2.jpg
Can you imagine walking around with a compound bow on your back?

PS. Ryan Reynolds was fricken ripped in that movie. DamnPsssh. Compound bows are for pussies. REAL men use long bows. Now that's the true measure of strength, control, and grace. Any pansy can use a bow if they've got pulleys helping them pull the weight. :hahano:

Kimber makes nice guns, but you can get a Springfield for less money. I personally love my 1911A1.

bah screw para springfield and kimber, its all about wilson combat 1911's!!!

bah screw para springfield and kimber, its all about wilson combat 1911's!!!It's funny you say that. The elongated beavertail, wide-mouth mag well, competition trigger, and ambi mag-release on my Springfield are all Wilson parts. :p: My dad's two Para-Ordinances also have some Wilson parts in them.

I've shot several of Bill's creations and while they are definitely mighty nice, they are also really expensive.

Anybody have a Glock 23 (.40 cal)? How does it shoot vs. Glock 19 (9mm)?

Anybody have a Glock 23 (.40 cal)? How does it shoot vs. Glock 19 (9mm)?I've shot both and before I bought my H&K USP, I owned a Glock 22 (the bigger version of the 23). Glocks are great guns. Reliable, accurate, and easy to shoot. The only major differences between the 19 and the 23 is the ammo. The difference between a 9mm and .40 cal is recoil. The .40 cal has slightly more. Accuracy was slightly better with the 23, but that may have just been the guns. The 19 holds more, bit the .40 cal in the 23 has greater stopping power. Either way, you can't go wrong, though.

The main reason I sold my Glock was because I have big hands and the slide used to bite my hand beween my thumb and forefinger. Sometimes, I'd have blood running down my hand after an extended shooting session. That and when I bought my Glock 22, the 23 didn't exist yet, and I was impatient. It's all good; I love my H&K. :)

Kewl, thanks MadRonin!! :)

I have the Glock 19 and am wondering if it is worth it to either trade-in or buy another Glock, but with a bigger caliber...after your post, I think I'll stick with the 19...I did shoot with the 23, but since I don't go to the shooting range often, thought I would ask someone who have more experience with the guns in question...

Off the topic, but for those who was commenting on why we have guns...to protect our love ones from crazy criminals who will ALWAYS have access to guns!!! Can't believe there are so many states/cities out there that are outlawing guns for the law-abiding citizens!!! Don't know about you, but I would not sacrifice my family/friends' life because some dumb-ass politicians thinks that us law-abiding citizens "don't" need it!!! Speaking of which, have they looked at Britain's gun-law?? They have more crimes over there because they FORCE the law-abiding citizens to give them up!!! Guess who still have the guns? Hmm...let me guess...OH!! the FREAKIN criminals!!!

I love the M4A1 SD...Socom style. :rock: My weapon of choice. My second choice would be the IW80.

What!?
http://www.political-comedy-central.com/mil/Battleship.jpg

I love the M4A1 SD...Socom style. :rock: My weapon of choice. My second choice would be the IW80.Have you ever actually shot either one? :eyetwitch

Have you ever actually shot either one? :eyetwitch
Well no. I live in Canada. :)

What!?
http://www.political-comedy-central.com/mil/Battleship.jpgMeh, amateur...


http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63446&stc=1

:hahano::hahano::hahano::hahano::hahano:

It took me a long time to think of a weapon more powerful.

CHECKMATE!!!
http://www.startrekfreedom.com/images/q.jpg
Q

I carry a Glock 19 compact. It's a 9mm. My theory is if they get back up after 1 or 2 shots then I have 3 more magazines to put into them. I do not care. I like shooting my firearm. I like the sigarms but I would not buy that one for tactical use. I would buy something more tactically equipped.

That is one of the reason why I like the Glock design...in a tactical situation, when you are confronted with someone with lethal intent..hate to forget to switch off the safety switch before the person jumps on me..the Glock lets me choose whether I intend to put down the assailant by just pulling the trigger..point and pull..

I had to field test why criminals can fire 500 rounds at something and still manage not to hit anything.

Here is a pic of me conducting such experiment....
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63394&stc=1

If you're actually wondering, not only can you not hit anything, but the shell cases sometimes hit you in the head.

OH and lastly another reason I would recommend a Kimber is because that pistol has fired over 1000 rounds without a misfire or jam.

yeah don't forget the executioner style also gives you a very high chance of jamming too

compound bows, that's where it's at. Guns are for pu$$y's.
http://www.cinepop.com.br/fotos/blade3_2.jpg
Can you imagine walking around with a compound bow on your back?

PS. Ryan Reynolds was fricken ripped in that movie. Damn

psssh compound bows are for PU$$IES it takes a real man to shoot a recurve!
http://hometown.aol.com/moonchilde00/images/legolas%20shooting%202%20bows.jpg

It's funny you say that. The elongated beavertail, wide-mouth mag well, competition trigger, and ambi mag-release on my Springfield are all Wilson parts. :p: My dad's two Para-Ordinances also have some Wilson parts in them.

I've shot several of Bill's creations and while they are definitely mighty nice, they are also really expensive.

yeah haha wilson makes some extremely high quality stuff but unfortuantely the nicer wilsons are upwards of 3.5-4k O.O my dad has a para too but he prefers his old trusty 1911 Mk.4 Series 70. i believe combined we own over 10 pistols :)

yeah don't forget the executioner style also gives you a very high chance of jamming too

It's also not very comfortable to shoot like that either, but hell I had to try it once. :Eyecrazy:

First you have to move to a state that allows sale and ownership of Class III weapons. NY is not one of those states. Next you find a firearms dealer that is licensed to sell NFA (National Firearms Act) weapons. The process is the same for any other firearm sale, except that you must file a form with the BATF and pay a transfer tax ($200+). Included on the form is a CLEO (Certified Law Enforcement Officer) section which must be signed by a qualified LEO such as your local sheriff. Provided you're approved, it takes about three months to get your Class III license, and it only applies to that one firearm.

note - A while back I mentioned that it cost upwards of $3k to get a Class III license. That applies to Class III dealers, not private owners.
Holy crap! :eek:

I think I'll just get them illegally. :crazy:

See you guys in prison! :cwm27:

psssh compound bows are for PU$$IES it takes a real man to shoot a recurve!
Alright dude, you play with legolas' recurve and i'll compound jessica :cwm27:

psssh compound bows are for PU$$IES it takes a real man to shoot a recurve!
http://hometown.aol.com/moonchilde00/images/legolas%20shooting%202%20bows.jpg
you just called orlando bloom a real man

you just called orlando bloom a real man

yeah i probably shouldn't have put the first link i got in the image search for recurve bow...

I carry a Glock 19 compact. It's a 9mm. My theory is if they get back up after 1 or 2 shots then I have 3 more magazines to put into them. I do not care. I like shooting my firearm. I like the sigarms but I would not buy that one for tactical use. I would buy something more tactically equipped.

like what? a socom? that sig is pretty highly equipped

like what? a socom? that sig is pretty highly equipped
Yes it is but for the money I would not buy the sig. Also I do not like the way sig's disassemble and the way the feel. It is a good firearm if you know the gun. IMO the para-ordnance is a very good firearm for tactical situations

Yes it is but for the money I would not buy the sig. Also I do not like the way sig's disassemble and the way the feel. It is a good firearm if you know the gun. IMO the para-ordnance is a very good firearm for tactical situations

meh that's your opinion, i think the sig feels very good and my only grip is the rather tall slide. the para ordinances seems subpar compared to a Wilson CQB

meh that's your opinion, i think the sig feels very good and my only grip is the rather tall slide. the para ordinances seems subpar compared to a Wilson CQB
i value his opinion, its in his job description to be an expert at firearms

1911s are more complex to field strip and clean, and have a higher mean failure rate than conventional designs from Sig-Sauer, Heckler & Koch or Glock.

I know I'll get flamed by the 1911 crowd for that statement, but that's the way this cookie crumbles (If I had to own a 1911, it would be a Les Baer or Wilson Combat, though).

Sig-Sauer or bust, baby. For defensive carry, you simply can't go wrong with the Sig P220, P228, P229 or P239, depending on weather, desired caliber and clothing.

My personal favorite: Sig P239 in .40S&W with Golden Sabers, carried in a Milt Sparks holster.

Weather permitting, a Sig P220 is as good as it gets. There is no finer combat .45ACP sidearm than the P220.

Lastly, the Sig-Sauer P225 is as sexy as it gets. But alas, they stopped producing it. Mine is a true safe queen now, and shall be preserved as such.

I'll eventually get either a Sig or a Glock, and .45 is what I like to shoot. Not always super-accurate, but at the range I'll ever be shooting, that won't matter.
1911's are godd guns, but that doesn't mean that other designs aren't just as good. There's more than one way to shoot a cat.

1911s are more complex to field strip and clean, and have a higher mean failure rate than conventional designs from Sig-Sauer, Heckler & Koch or Glock.

I know I'll get flamed by the 1911 crowd for that statement, but that's the way this cookie crumbles (If I had to own a 1911, it would be a Les Baer or Wilson Combat, though).
Some of the older offerings from Colt and Springfield, as well as several other no names from the 70s and 80s were unreliable. That's why Les and Bill started their shops. However, the current 1911s like Springfield's Loaded series have all of the kinks worked out for way les money than a LB or WC.

As for field stripping and cleaning; I've never had a problem. I think it's pretty easy, really. You just have to make sure that the recoil spring plug doesn't go shooting off across the room when you turn the bushing under the barrel. :fingersx:

For defensive carry, you simply can't go wrong with the Sig P220, P228, P229 or P239, depending on weather, desired caliber and clothing.


You are one scary individual. No......actually, you are one scared individual.

You are one scary individual. No......actually, you are one scared individual.
:lol:

1911s are more complex to field strip and clean, and have a higher mean failure rate than conventional designs from Sig-Sauer, Heckler & Koch or Glock.

I know I'll get flamed by the 1911 crowd for that statement, but that's the way this cookie crumbles (If I had to own a 1911, it would be a Les Baer or Wilson Combat, though).

Sig-Sauer or bust, baby. For defensive carry, you simply can't go wrong with the Sig P220, P228, P229 or P239, depending on weather, desired caliber and clothing.

My personal favorite: Sig P239 in .40S&W with Golden Sabers, carried in a Milt Sparks holster.

Weather permitting, a Sig P220 is as good as it gets. There is no finer combat .45ACP sidearm than the P220.

Lastly, the Sig-Sauer P225 is as sexy as it gets. But alas, they stopped producing it. Mine is a true safe queen now, and shall be preserved as such.Correct. I think the P220 is an outstanding firearm and is extremely accurate out of the box. The only problem I have with Sig is some of their compact are not too compact. I dont feel the Sig is a good firearm to carry as a personal because of it size, not it's accuracy. All the Sigs I have come in contact with have been in tactical training and field stripping. I say just give me a Blaser LRS2. I will be just fine with that. :rock:

If you want a tactical pistol and don't care about looks, prestige, or ultra high accuracy, I would recommend any caliber Glock pistol made. I am into target shooting for the most part that is why I own a Ruger Mark II stainless slab barrel and a Ruger 10/22 T w/ a hammer forged bull barrel. I am also interested in supressors and that is why I also have a Walther P-22 w/ hmmmm :).... All .22 caliber. Now for defense, it is a Glock 20 chambered in 10mm. I know overkill on humans, but heh what the hell!

^ I agree the glock will seem to fire no matter what. I just don't really like them because if you give them a good shake they rattle like they are going to fall apart.

All of our tactical pistols are glocks. I carry a glock and would not carry anything else as a duty weapon.

^ I agree the glock will seem to fire no matter what. I just don't really like them because if you give them a good shake they rattle like they are going to fall apart.
Was the Glock you shook used or abused? My Glock never rattled. It was tight as a drum and stayed that way after putting 20,000 rounds through it.

Was the Glock you shook used or abused? My Glock never rattled. It was tight as a drum and stayed that way after putting 20,000 rounds through it.
Mine doesnt either.

All of our tactical pistols are glocks. I carry a glock and would not carry anything else as a duty weapon.
I loved my Glock, but the whole hand biting thing kinda ended that romance for me. :D:

I went to a local gun shop this afternoon (I'm looking for an FN FiveseveN) and I handled a 4" Springfield XD in .40 cal. Wow is that thing nice. It's got the feel of the Glock minus the thin beavertail. My wife was with me so I didn't get a chance to shoot it on their range. I'm planning to go back one night this week to put a few dozen round through one of their rentals.

If it shoots as nicely as I've heard, I'm probably going to buy one.

Any idea on what lb the trigger was. I have the cmpact and my hand fits it perfect. I have the pinky extension so it fits like a glove.

I loved my Glock, but the whole hand biting thing kinda ended that romance for me. :D:

I went to a local gun shop this afternoon (I'm looking for an FN FiveseveN) and I handled a 4" Springfield XD in .40 cal. Wow is that thing nice. It's got the feel of the Glock minus the thin beavertail. My wife was with me so I didn't get a chance to shoot it on their range. I'm planning to go back one night this week to put a few dozen round through one of their rentals.

If it shoots as nicely as I've heard, I'm probably going to buy one.

That FN is kind of overrated in my eyes. A regular box of 50 ammo for it runs about $22.


But besides that, I decided to go with the .40 96-Beretta Inox (stainless slide).

Picked it up yesterday and I've already put 500 rounds through it :) Nice gun.

Any idea on what lb the trigger was. I have the cmpact and my hand fits it perfect. I have the pinky extension so it fits like a glove.
4.5lbs. I shot a 9mm compact and I liked it alot. It's on my must buy list this month.

That FN is kind of overrated in my eyes. A regular box of 50 ammo for it runs about $22.


But besides that, I decided to go with the .40 96-Beretta Inox (stainless slide).

Picked it up yesterday and I've already put 500 rounds through it :) Nice gun.
Shoot one and then get back to me on how overrated it is. :rolleyes:

I would have stuck with the Sig over the Beretta. Not a big fan of Berettas, especially the 92/96 frame. They're big, clunky, ok accuracy, and I would never want to carry one for protection. I know some people swear by them and the 92F is the sidearm of the US military, but I've shot dozens (literally) of other guns in and around the same class of the 92/96, and it just isn't a contender, IMNSHO.

Was the Glock you shook used or abused? My Glock never rattled. It was tight as a drum and stayed that way after putting 20,000 rounds through it.
You should only hear the rattle if the chamber is empty and the trigger is depressed. There is a little play in the firing pin and you should only hear it when you shake the pistol from front to back and not side to side or up and down. My 34 and 32 both do it and they have both been cleared as safe and certified by my department armorer.

By the way MadRonin, nice Firefly avitar. Great show. Love the series.

Desert Eagle or walk IMO.
http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg


Sorry Blue but that gun is garbage.... unless this guy is trying to be a "pimp-daddy"


I say... USP Tactical

I can see this thread has attracted all the certified gun nuts :)

I agree that "big guns" aren't that great to shoot for sport. I have a Freedom Arms .454 Casul and I can't shoot that thing more than 6 times before I just get a big bruise on my hand.

I am planning on trading it in for something else, but what a waste of investment on my part to get it magna ported because the kick is still rough.

So, has anyone here ever fired a Mateba Unica Hunter? Idle curiousity.

Sorry Blue but that gun is garbage.... unless this guy is trying to be a "pimp-daddy"


I say... USP Tactical
Yeah, I was joking. I don't know shit about guns, and don't care to.

Yeah, I was joking. I don't know shit about guns, and don't care to.


I dont know too much either :D

All I know is if its popular on the streets... its shit - not because its all they can get and more because street thugs are dumb as rocks lol.... that gun being one of them along with guns the likes of Mak-10s and Tec-9s which couldnt hit the broad side of a barn

So, has anyone here ever fired a Mateba Unica Hunter? Idle curiousity.It looks interesting, but I still don't know anyone that has one to shoot.

I dont know too much either :D

All I know is if its popular on the streets... its shit - not because its all they can get and more because street thugs are dumb as rocks lol.... that gun being one of them along with guns the likes of Mak-10s and Tec-9s which couldnt hit the broad side of a barnIf you "spray and pray" you won't hit shit with anything. I've shot DEs, MAC-10s, and TEC9s and I always hit what I was aiming for. That's the catch, though; you have to aim to hit anything. ;)

If you "spray and pray" you won't hit shit with anything. I've shot DEs, MAC-10s, and TEC9s and I always hit what I was aiming for. That's the catch, though; you have to aim to hit anything. ;)


Do they even still make TECs?

It looks interesting, but I still don't know anyone that has one to shoot.
I think Mateba-Arms went out of business. Their site is down and everything. I guess it being an unorthodox Italian pistol makes it slightly hard to come across...

Do they even still make TECs?No, Intratec went out of business years ago. You can still find the multiple variants of the TEC-9 around, though.

Mmm....Guns, don't guys just love'em. For me there are a few favs Beretta M93R 9mm , Glock G18C 9mm and of course Colt 4inch python .357

Found a new ghetto gun ..haha..that is kinda interesting the magazine/gun had a very interesting design. It was the Calico M950 9mm . It has a 50 or 100 rds mag....haha.... While you are reloading , i would be putting lead in ya ;) It is a "Bad guy" gun. May be thats why i like it.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

No, Intratec went out of business years ago. You can still find the multiple variants of the TEC-9 around, though.


My god I just read up on Inratec... what a horrible company.

they openly catered to the Hooligan market... its no wonder they went out of business.. thats not a very lucrative market (they'l steal from you way more than buy from you)

Mmm....Guns, don't guys just love'em. For me there are a few favs Beretta M93R 9mm , Glock G18C 9mm and of course Colt 4inch python .357

Found a new ghetto gun ..haha..that is kinda interesting the magazine/gun had a very interesting design. It was the Calico M950 9mm . It has a 50 or 100 rds mag....haha.... While you are reloading , i would be putting lead in ya ;) It is a "Bad guy" gun. May be thats why i like it.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htmI burned the shit out of my arm shooting a Calico 9mm carbine, once. I was wearing a long-sleeved shirt with loose cuffs, and brass was dropping out of the bottom into my sleeve. :eek: Not fun.

The Beretta 93R is fun to shoot once and a while, but I wouldn't want it as my sidearm. The one I shot had a detachable shoulder stock and it wasn't all that accurate. Even using the front grip didn't improve the accuracy.

I've only ever got the chance to hold a Glock 18. It feels just like any other Glock.

As for the Colt Python .357 Mag, BFD. The Ruger GP100 was a much better revolver.

Hey, you know the gun that Robocop used. The one in his leg, it was like an automatic handgun or something. Do they make a gun like that?

Automatic pistols? Yes.

That specific one? I don't think so.

Something else to consider...I had to contact Sigarms recently to get a new set of gunlock keys. They were very helpful and are sending them out free of charge. Just thought you might like to know that the customer service is great.

Off the subject, but since we are talking about guns, what the heck is going on with the 50 caliber rifle used by our military?? How the heck is that justifiable for a CIVILIAN to have??? Might as well just sell them to the terrorists, because one of these babies can put down a commercial airliner easily...stupid, stupid, stupid!!! Just noticed because there was a recent article about a Palestinian guy in the US that is buying these and shipping it oversea, claiming it will be used for "hunting" elephants..wtf??? This gun needs to be banned from CIVILIAN usage..no need for it..pistol, sure..guns that can punch a hole through a tank, no!!

I think you opened it icyur2
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/images/store/worms.jpg

Off the subject, but since we are talking about guns, what the heck is going on with the 50 caliber rifle used by our military?? How the heck is that justifiable for a CIVILIAN to have??? Might as well just sell them to the terrorists, because one of these babies can put down a commercial airliner easily...stupid, stupid, stupid!!! Just noticed because there was a recent article about a Palestinian guy in the US that is buying these and shipping it oversea, claiming it will be used for "hunting" elephants..wtf??? This gun needs to be banned from CIVILIAN usage..no need for it..pistol, sure..guns that can punch a hole through a tank, no!!
And what if Osama Bin Laden rolled up to your front lawn in a tank? I bet you sure wished you had a 50 cal then. :p:

Seriously though, this isn't the place for that sort of discussion. This was a very good not political thread up until now.

Sorry, didn't want to start it, but...damn!!!

Hey, you know the gun that Robocop used. The one in his leg, it was like an automatic handgun or something. Do they make a gun like that?Robocop's gun is a modified Beretta M93R-AG.

Hey Ronin

You're the resident gun guy...

is this gun any good?

http://www.hkpro.com/pdw

Hey Ronin

You're the resident gun guy...

is this gun any good?

http://www.hkpro.com/pdw
The MP7 is an interesting gun. It was made for the same purpose as the FN P90, to be a lightweight, accurate, reliable submachine gun capable of piercing body armor. The problem is, just like the P90, the MP7 uses proprietary ammo, which makes wide-spread adoption difficult. I don't know if any major military outfits other than the Germans are using the MP7.

That being said, and in answer to your question, it's an H&K; I've never met an H&K that didn't perform flawlessly. I don't see this one being an exception.

Why do you ask? :)

Now I've got my eyes set on a 9mm to compliment my .40.

I've been thinking very hard about the Ruger P89. A local sports store has a new one for $399! So for 9mm i'm up between the sig p226 and the ruger p89.

Another question,

How long did it take you guys to get good at pistol shooting? I've only been about 7 times and whenever I start out the first 1 or 2 mags I'm always low and to the left until I can adjust to the recoil. Does this still happen to you guys?

Now I've got my eyes set on a 9mm to compliment my .40.

I've been thinking very hard about the Ruger P89. A local sports store has a new one for $399! So for 9mm i'm up between the sig p226 and the ruger p89.

Another question,

How long did it take you guys to get good at pistol shooting? I've only been about 7 times and whenever I start out the first 1 or 2 mags I'm always low and to the left until I can adjust to the recoil. Does this still happen to you guys?
Ruger makes good guns. My father has one of the first P85s (double digit serial number) and it shot factory ammo flawlessly. It could be finicky with reloads, but the new P-series pistols don't have that problem. Nothing wrong with the P89

If I had to choose between a Sig and a Ruger, though, I'd pick an H&K. :mdrmed:

It took me a couple years of shooting handguns every weekend to get to the point where I felt really comfortable shooting anything. I've always been a decent shot, but it took lots of practice to become a really good one. Today I can pick up just about any gun, fire a few shots, and tell if it's me or the gun that's off.

You should be able to put the front sight on the target, line up the rear, and group within a couple of inches of your first shot. And if that first shot isn't where you aimed, and it's consistantly off the mark, then you may need to adjust your sights accordingly.

The MP7 is an interesting gun. It was made for the same purpose as the FN P90, to be a lightweight, accurate, reliable submachine gun capable of piercing body armor. The problem is, just like the P90, the MP7 uses proprietary ammo, which makes wide-spread adoption difficult. I don't know if any major military outfits other than the Germans are using the MP7.

That being said, and in answer to your question, it's an H&K; I've never met an H&K that didn't perform flawlessly. I don't see this one being an exception.

Why do you ask? :)


Because it sounds like an interesting gun that maybe should be adopted by ETF and SWAT over here...like a urban dominator..

but I didnt know about the ammo issue

some of the most fun i have ever had at teh range came from shooting ones of these

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/smithandwesson/model41.jpg

a model 41 .22 which had been worked by the owner into a match quality pistol as he competed for many years. it was a hell of alot of fun. i still have a target or 2 around from unloading the entire mag with great haste from 30 feet. nearly every hole within a nickel size diameter. the owner could place them all within nearly a dime. thats 14 shots

for protection i wouldnt bother with anything other than a 1911 like others have mentioned or for a wheel gun a model 27 .357 like this one or similar

http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/images/pistol22.jpg

some of the most fun i have ever had at teh range came from shooting ones of these

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/smithandwesson/model41.jpg

a model 41 .22 which had been worked by the owner into a match quality pistol as he competed for many years. it was a hell of alot of fun. i still have a target or 2 around from unloading the entire mag with great haste from 30 feet. nearly every hole within a nickel size diameter. the owner could place them all within nearly a dime. thats 14 shotsMy favorite plinking gun:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=64076&stc=1

The most fun I have had was shooting my AR-15

nice - the barrel looks like it has some nice weight to it. whats the trigger like?

That is what I want police34!! Would complement my glock..one for short range, and then the AR for decent mid-range...nice rifles...now...if I can talk my wife in letting me have one :p

That is what I want police34!! Would complement my glock..one for short range, and then the AR for decent mid-range...nice rifles...now...if I can talk my wife in letting me have one :p
I love mine. I am accurate at 250 yards within about an inch. Excellent recoil and excellent safety. I would not trade it for anything. I am consistent with it at 175 yards every time. I am not the gratest shot but this weapon makes me look like a sniper. I am considering trying out for the sniper team when I can have time.

250? hell thats where we started;) M16A2 from 500 yards every round center mass in the torso. 200-300 yards every round where you want it no scope.

http://www.navyseals.cz/webfoto/photo/foto_technika/palne_zbane/m16/m16a2-1.jpg

plus i used to be able to take it apart and put it back together in the dark pretty damn quick.

250? hell thats where we started;) M16A2 from 500 yards every round center mass in the torso. 200-300 yards every round where you want it no scope.

http://www.navyseals.cz/webfoto/photo/foto_technika/palne_zbane/m16/m16a2-1.jpg

plus i used to be able to take it apart and put it back together in the dark pretty damn quick.
Nice gun. I can put every round centermass. I can make a half-dollar sized hole in the chest but I can put them in the same hole everytime. I love the AR-15. I havent shot an M-16 before. I would like to someday I just do not know anyone that has one. I want to take guy321 to the range oneday

arent the ar-15 and m-16 very very similar?

an ar15 is a semi auto version of the m16

nice - the barrel looks like it has some nice weight to it. whats the trigger like?Crisp and light as a feather. The bull barrel gives it perfect balance.

250? hell thats where we started;) M16A2 from 500 yards every round center mass in the torso. 200-300 yards every round where you want it no scope.

http://www.navyseals.cz/webfoto/photo/foto_technika/palne_zbane/m16/m16a2-1.jpg

plus i used to be able to take it apart and put it back together in the dark pretty damn quick.That's fine and great Charlie, but it takes a real man to shoot 600+ yards, open irons, with one of these:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=64122&stc=1

:hahano: :hahano: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy:

I figure just taser them. That hits atleast from a good 21 feet away.