And they weight the same as my old 18's did

Yea, 20x8.5" in the front and 20x10" in the rear. 245/35/20s front and 275/30/20s rear

http://www.msprotege.com/members/KYMP5/rx8_3.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/KYMP5/rx8_2.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/KYMP5/rx8_1.jpg

I have 1/4" spacers in the rear right now until i can shave some off the inside of the strut covers.

somehow your car looks like a monster truck now

sorry, not digging it, would have looked much nicer with a brighter, smaller wheel and a drop, but it's your car and it's your $ so congrats on your rims :) how do you like the magnaflow by the way?

it raised the car almost 1/2" but after i get the spacers off ill be able to lower the car a about an inch when my coiovers get here.

The magnaflow if sweet, sounds awesome and looks great too

what wheels are those? can't really tell with the black finish.

yo! don't hate. black with a phat lip is the only way to go. It looks like it's supposed to, like a race car!!! nice choice bro!

They are the HPD black MSRs. new for 06. We own 60% of HPD wheels so i talked them into a set before they released them. Now they are available, but only a few sets right now. you can see them http://www.hd-inc.com/msrblack.htm

Wow it does look a little high, but nice wheels by the way.

KY,

I can tell just by your pictures that you have some negative camber on the rear just like I did from factory. You should probably get that adjusted. They were able to add 1 degree to change it from -1.7 to -.7. If you don't, those tires are going to were very fast on the inside and start to "cup" etc. Since you won't be able to rotate your tires anymore, you won't be able to slow down the wear rate.

Coilovers make a lot of sense. It will allow you to lower the front more than the rear - a problem most RX-8's have. (I put 0.5 inch Racing Beat lowering springs only on the front of my car and looks level and rides as good or better)

-Mr. Wigggles

the back ones dont look right... at least not to me...

but tis your car, and if you like it, congrats on your setup :)

yo! don't hate. black with a phat lip is the only way to go. It looks like it's supposed to, like a race car!!! nice choice bro!
I have to say, I haven't see too many race cars with giant chrome lips on them. Doesn't look like a race car at all really.

almost a drift car feel IMO, but not quite

They are the HPD black MSRs. new for 06. We own 60% of HPD wheels so i talked them into a set before they released them. Now they are available, but only a few sets right now. you can see them http://www.hd-inc.com/msrblack.htm

shameless self promotion :p what wheels did you have before? are those multi-piece forged to be lighter than your previous wheels?

i had the 18" Falken Circuit specs. the MSRs are 1pc, the falkens were just heavy

rollin on DUBBS! Nice..

oh yeah, I remember your car now, the Falkens were heavy? dang that sucks, they at least appeared to be light from the pics and such, thanks for the info on the magnaflow, i might go that route in the future..probably going to do brakes first. (at least rotors anyway)

definately diggen the big blings!

Your wheels look sweet! What offset are they? I want to go with 20's as well.

45 in the rear and 42 in the front

looks good.
now need to drop it abit....
whats the make/model of the wheel?
so 10kg each for 20" is awesome (is that wil or without the tyre?)

KYRX8,

Where's my wheel I paid you for and why are you ignoring my PM's, direct email's and im's?

nice bling bling 20's

def needs to be slammed...

i'm not much a fan of black rims though... maybe on a brilliant black rx8...

Car looks awesome... now you need 400HP to break those babies loose !!!

:puke:

love the lip... now slam it to the ground!
:boink:

i think the lip is too fat, it make the rim look a lot smaller. i like black rims but not fat lips

20's are too large. Nice SUV though.

mehh...not feeling anything bigger than 19s. but i like the black with polished lip!

looks nice! love the lip. looking into 19"with 3"lip

20" on an RX-8 is like a hot babe who puts on 200 lbs of flubber

20" on an RX-8 is like a hot babe who puts on 200 lbs of flubber



two schools of thought, some are more into the show and really could care less how 20 would affect their performance and some want stick to lighter 18 wheels who are just pure enthusiast. Wonder is there a way to get both? :confused:

Doesn't look bad at all, but it's really unproportional. Btw what size tips are those magnaflows?

you're right, some guys only want baby with 4X back, but that was actually my point ;)

eh.... not feeling it.

juz wanna share.. hope u like it..
im usin Fabulous Expand 20" ..

two schools of thought, some are more into the show and really could care less how 20 would affect their performance and some want stick to lighter 18 wheels who are just pure enthusiast. Wonder is there a way to get both? :confused:

Doesn't look bad at all, but it's really unproportional. Btw what size tips are those magnaflows?


4" tips.

Dude... you must have lost a LOT of performance.... especially off the line.

Even though they are the same weight as stockers (so you claim... i don't believe it personally). The rotational mass spans a greater diameter and therefore you are losing great amounts of performance from you big clunky wheels. All show.... no go.

and regarding IzoomzoomI... you can't have both a 20" rim and keep any decent performance. First off, 20's are downright heavy... i don't care how much you say they weigh... they are going to be AT LEAST 25lbs... and that's being generous.

Now if they were the same weight as stock... the larger diameter rim will have more mass toward the outward reaches of the rim and away from the center of rotation and therefore, much more "resistance" to acceleration.... making it harder to start... and stop.

and regarding IzoomzoomI... you can't have both a 20" rim and keep any decent performance. First off, 20's are downright heavy... i don't care how much you say they weigh... they are going to be AT LEAST 25lbs... and that's being generous.




Yea I know, there are some options out there that give a great looking wheel without having to go 20s. I personally don't like em but whatever floats your boat. When I put my ssr comps on which was a little over 16lbs felt great lost 5lbs of unsprung weight, braking was better and felt a bit more nimble too. Til this day people that drove my car that has 19's say they need to go back to lighter wheels because it feels a lot quicker.

So are they 20x10's + spacers? Dam thats big! I'm going with 18x8 and 18x9.5. But thats just me.

So are they 20x10's + spacers? Dam thats big! I'm going with 18x8 and 18x9.5. But thats just me.

No spacers in the rear. On the fronts it was so close, i used 3mm spacers to be on the safe side.

Dude... you must have lost a LOT of performance.... especially off the line.

Even though they are the same weight as stockers (so you claim... i don't believe it personally). The rotational mass spans a greater diameter and therefore you are losing great amounts of performance from you big clunky wheels. All show.... no go.

and regarding IzoomzoomI... you can't have both a 20" rim and keep any decent performance. First off, 20's are downright heavy... i don't care how much you say they weigh... they are going to be AT LEAST 25lbs... and that's being generous.

Now if they were the same weight as stock... the larger diameter rim will have more mass toward the outward reaches of the rim and away from the center of rotation and therefore, much more "resistance" to acceleration.... making it harder to start... and stop.

Believe it or not, they are the same weight and the overall tire diameter is very close to factory. I have no doubts i probably lost some performance, i just dont car. Ive had a 10 sec car before, ive had a car that i did very well autocrossing with, im just not into the racing anymore. I like to show cars now. Performance wasnt high on my list when i bought the 8, i bought it because it was a sick looking car with lots of potential to be even better. I may do some performance stuff with it just because now show cars are judged as a whole instead of just appearance. Ive got the Greddy Turbo Kit in my warehouse right now im tempted to slap on it, but i really dont know.
I am also wanting to do a few road races this year as well, but i have a set of 18" Volks sitting in my warehouse that ill use for that.

congrats and welcome to the T.I.S club
a drop should improve the look
as for spacers i just put my wheels back on and decided to try out spacers in the rear which was a big mistake.
i want a 20x11 rear :) ;)

Those are some big fawking tires in the back mang.

I think your car looks sick with the 20s, just drop it. I too am running 20s and they make the car look good. When I feel like going to the track I just put the stock rims back on. I don't street race in my car, so if someone pulls up at the light I let them go. I like the look of 20s on the 8. I am more for show than go, and if I want to go, like I said before I just put the stock wheels back on, and go to the track.

So what's the tire size you are running on your 20s?

Sillyness...the stock 18s are almost too big IMO.

Joe

thats right.... "IYO".... maybe you are just a small person.

Just curious, and I am not flaming at all. I wonder if the love/hate feelings towards 20" wheels is an age thing, a generation gap? I personally like big wheels, the less rubber showing, the better looking over all in my opinion. BUT, it does depend on the car. So if you care too, post your love/hate and age now......I want to see the results. I'll start.


LOVE - 29

Love-26.

HATE (on sports cars. Especially sports cars with 156 ftlb of torque) - 25

So what's the tire size you are running on your 20s?

245/35/20 front
275/30/20 rear

Hate - 25

hmmm, two loves, two hates, all below 30.....I may be wrong......

if you want 20s GET A CRUISER OR SUV NOT A SPORTS CAR

19s are totally acceptable on grand touring sports cars though, i'll have 19s on my rx8


hate so much i WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF WHENEVER I SEE THEM ON SPORTS CARS 15-17 inch if you want performance 18-19 if you want appearance with the sacrifice of some performance, anything more is unacceptable for a sports car, it totally ruins the balance. age 16

i wouldnt call the RX-8 a performance sports car.....

i wouldnt call the RX-8 a performance sports car.....
http://brawl-hall.com/gallery/data/media652/5/cliffsnotes.jpg

Love -24

i wouldnt call the RX-8 a performance sports car.....

well, its closer to that then it is to a cruiser like a 65' impala or a caddy that actually looks good with some big rims

Hate - 28

terrible ride, shitty handling, not appropriate for a sports car with such high reving power band.

go bling a escalade, not an 8

I don't see what the big deal is, 20s are only 1" bigger than 19s its not even that noticeable. So I don't understand if you like 19s why wouldn't you like 20s. But hey thats your opinion. I think the 8 looks sick with 20s, it just fills in everything. And why are 18s and 19s good for appearance but 20s aren't. Your really not making any sense.

its hard to explain but 20 is the barrier between looking proper and too big, the line needs to be drawn somewhere and for me and most, its at the 20 inch level.

maybe you havent see a nice look 8 with 20" setup.....

but again, you are entitled to your opinion..... and everyone should respect that.... (same goes to the onwer in the 20" club ;-p)

i am ordering my front racing beat springs later this week, so ill post pics with the front dropped 1/2 in

racing beat makes great springs for handling reasons but is the ride height even front to back

Park an 8 next to a normal car and the 18's already look huge. 20's are silly, poor ride, poor performance. The core of the 8 is a light well handling car, 20's don't belong with that idea, 18's are already more than big enough.

My 20" wheels weigh the same as the factory 18s, but the tires weigh more. The tires grip a whole lot better though.

kelrx8- the springs im using for the front are the Racing Beat springs. they offer about .5 inch drop in the front which should be just aobut right. The car should look pretty level with them as well

Dude... you must have lost a LOT of performance.... especially off the line.

Even though they are the same weight as stockers (so you claim... i don't believe it personally). The rotational mass spans a greater diameter and therefore you are losing great amounts of performance from you big clunky wheels. All show.... no go.

and regarding IzoomzoomI... you can't have both a 20" rim and keep any decent performance. First off, 20's are downright heavy... i don't care how much you say they weigh... they are going to be AT LEAST 25lbs... and that's being generous.

Now if they were the same weight as stock... the larger diameter rim will have more mass toward the outward reaches of the rim and away from the center of rotation and therefore, much more "resistance" to acceleration.... making it harder to start... and stop.

what you described in physics term and a word that everyone can understand is "torque". greater diameter requires more torgue to turn the wheels....the reason why you feel it grip better its because its actually turning slower than it would with an 18" and the width of the tires are wider too. but then again, if you really wanted to know the results, theres only one way...experiment, go to dragstrip and see the time difference. but then again, we already know the best to use is 17"....IMO 20" is just what a ricer with too much money would do :bootyshak

^^^Actually, that would be "moment of inertia" ;)

I don't see what the big deal is, 20s are only 1" bigger than 19s its not even that noticeable. So I don't understand if you like 19s why wouldn't you like 20s. But hey thats your opinion. I think the 8 looks sick with 20s, it just fills in everything. And why are 18s and 19s good for appearance but 20s aren't. Your really not making any sense.

Well if you like 20's, why not 22's? At SOME point, it starts looking badly proportioned and cartoonish. Maybe someone with an art or design background can chime in, but I'd say the car looks like it was designed for 18's or 19's. Above or below that, and it looks awkward. I can understand sacrificing some performance for improved style (or visa-versa), but I can't understand sacrificing performance for less style.

I'd say the best looking 8's are dropped, a little more in front, with 18~19 wheels. Preferably with an offset so they line up with the outside of the car.

"Hate" is such a strong word.

How about "dislike, and dislike more than a little". -37

Now if you asked "What do you think about calling wheels 'rims'?"

HATE. -37 :nono:

Having said that, I saw a commercial last night for the Chevy Cobalt and they talked about the car's "rims" in the add. I guess you need to speaka da language to your intended market and all, but why not just say "we gots your bling ra' here".

*yeeccch*

the springs im using for the front are the Racing Beat springs. they offer about .5 inch drop in the front which should be just aobut right. The car should look pretty level with them as well

Wait... Are you using aftermarket springs on the front and stockers at the rear?

He obviously has no concern for performance, I wouldn't put it past him.

Yeah, it's a classic no-no to mix 'n' match springs of different types, unless they're MADE to work together.

Back in "the day" when I had a modded VW Jetta A3, the problem was that the rear springs used on the Jetta and the Golf/GTI were the same, so the extra weight of the trunk would make the rear of the car droop slightly relative to the front. When I popped in Eibach springs with Bilstein dampers the problem was even MORE noticeable, even with the adjustable rear spring perch on the Bilsteins in the highest position. The obvious answer from a LOOKS standpoint would've been to leave the stock rear springs in and only put the dropped springs on the front... But noone in their right mind would do that, at least if they considered anything aside from looks (linear rate rears and progressive rate fronts are a BAD idea from a handling and driveablility standpoint).

Then again, maybe the RB units have the same spring rate as the stockers and are just shorter. Doubtful, but possible.

some of us are happy with the lack of pwer the rx8 and some of us have a real

my rx8 is slow because I have 20' wait,wait
its a rx8 its slow to begin with.But it still handles better than my MONSTER.
but I understand your concern for the performance some of us only have 1 car to drive and the Rx8 maybe the most powerful car owned so far but theres alot better out there.
either way Rotary for life

He obviously has no concern for performance, I wouldn't put it past him.


Thanks. I apologize for not buying my RX8 for performance. I guess you just cant have a good looking car, it has to be the complete package. i would have looked elswhere for performance if thats what i was concerned with.

As for the spring thing, using factory rear and RB front. Ill admit i hadnt put a lot of thought behind that. Ive seen many people run crazy combinations of springs with no negative affects so it didnt cross my mind. If that is in fact the case ill just call my distributors and see who wants to give me the best deal on some coilovers.

Ive seen many people run crazy combinations of springs with no negative affects so it didnt cross my mind. If that is in fact the case ill just call my distributors and see who wants to give me the best deal on some coilovers.

Look, the whole point behind the 8 is that it's a well-balanced machine. Some constantly bemoan the "lack of power", when in fact all that means is that you won't win a drag race against a car with more power. Yes, there are plenty of "faster" cars out there if all you care about, and all you VALUE, is beating your friend's 350Z, V8 Mustang or V6 Accord Coupe... More enlightened individuals care about the whole package, which (at least in my world) includes starting, stopping, turning and other mundane activities like that. I don't get excited when someone calls my car "slow", because I know that they're just mush-heads who don't understand any kind of driving that doesn't involve going exactly 1320 feet in a straight line. If that makes it "slow", fine. I'm not hurt and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If I wanted a pavement-shredder, I would've gotten a blobbo GTO or an increasingly ubiquitous Mustang GT. :rollingla

Having said that, I fear you are playing fast and loose with the balance of the car if you start mixing up your springs. If you've changed them and have noticed no ill effects, good on ya and I wish you the best. I just feel that Mazda knew what they were doing and built a fine road scalpel with good power (not world-beating power), phenomenal handling and feel, and truly great brakes... And messing with mismatched springs can only dilute that "feel", not to mention possibly being dangerous from a handling standpoint. If you've not noticed a problem with the setup the way you drive, then you're fine and I'm happy that you're happy. For me, though, I'm either going to leave it be or swap out the WHOLE spring package.

what you described in physics term and a word that everyone can understand is "torque". greater diameter requires more torgue to turn the wheels....the reason why you feel it grip better its because its actually turning slower than it would with an 18" and the width of the tires are wider too. but then again, if you really wanted to know the results, theres only one way...experiment, go to dragstrip and see the time difference. but then again, we already know the best to use is 17"....IMO 20" is just what a ricer with too much money would do :bootyshak :iwstupid:

Having 20" rims is not being a ricer, what the hell is your definition of a ricer? A guy who likes his car enough to make it look better. So what if we lost performance, the 8 wasn't that fast anyway (by no way am I saying that 8 is slow either) So what if we can't fly around corners anymore, I have my bike for that. Not everybody buys their 8 to fly up and down the road. I bought it #1 because the car is beautiful, simple as that. I wanted a car I can modify and put in local car shows. :ylsuper:

You better hope I'm not a judge at any of those car shows ;)

Having said that, I fear you are playing fast and loose with the balance of the car if you start mixing up your springs. If you've changed them and have noticed no ill effects, good on ya and I wish you the best. I just feel that Mazda knew what they were doing and built a fine road scalpel with good power (not world-beating power), phenomenal handling and feel, and truly great brakes... And messing with mismatched springs can only dilute that "feel", not to mention possibly being dangerous from a handling standpoint. If you've not noticed a problem with the setup the way you drive, then you're fine and I'm happy that you're happy. For me, though, I'm either going to leave it be or swap out the WHOLE spring package.

Hence why i stated i would order coilovers instead. I hadnt thought of the spring thing, but i can get the Tein Basics cheap, so ill use those. That way when i put my 18s on i could level it out again and maybe hit a track or the local autox.

The car is going to be a show car. My other mazda did very well at shows and this one will do. Its used to promote my website. If i want speed and handling, i get on my bike.

Side note, the car is supposed to finally be out of the body shop (after 19 days) today so i can put the 20s back on this weekend. Sorry, had to share, im glad im finally getting it back

:iwstupid:

Having 20" rims is not being a ricer, what the hell is your definition of a ricer? A guy who likes his car enough to make it look better. So what if we lost performance, the 8 wasn't that fast anyway (by no way am I saying that 8 is slow either) So what if we can't fly around corners anymore, I have my bike for that. Not everybody buys their 8 to fly up and down the road. I bought it #1 because the car is beautiful, simple as that. I wanted a car I can modify and put in local car shows. :ylsuper:

didnt mean to offend you...everyone's use of the 8 is different and what you wanna do is your own free will...i was just stating my opinion and just seemss waaaaaayyy tooo excessive

and come on, our car not tooo fast but not too slow?? we can burn 95% of the cars we see everyday, seriously! the best is when a ricer wanna be starts tailing you and after you burn them they do the famous ricer pass by thinking they won :hahano:

Extremely well said Zoom Zoom. That is pretty much what it comes down to...

If only everyone would simply just be accepting of both camps...

Time

two schools of thought, some are more into the show and really could care less how 20 would affect their performance and some want stick to lighter 18 wheels who are just pure enthusiast. Wonder is there a way to get both? :confused:

Doesn't look bad at all, but it's really unproportional. Btw what size tips are those magnaflows?

The magnaflow tips are 4"

And I haven't lost that much from performance with my 20s on. I have beaten redlines, wrx's, mustangs, 350zs,and also a few srt-4s, with my 20s on. But thats also with a 50 shot of nitrous. :ylsuper: And If I feel like riding the twisties I have an 04 636 to scrape knee with. Problem solved.

And If I feel like riding the twisties I have an 04 636 to scrape knee with. Problem solved.

True. I just bought a cbr and when i want to drive something that handles, the bike is where its at

Everyone has their own opinion, I also have 20's on my Rx-8, and i think they look sick on my car. i did have some problems, in the front i needed wheel spacers because the spokes hit the stock caliper,( their goes my big brake upgrade that i was thinking about), and i was also rubbing in the rear, the custom sound system i designed and fabricated added alot of weight, so i rolled my rear fenders and now I'm saving up for the tein flex suspension so that should help correct all my problems. The 20's defiantly effect the performance and i also have to drive very carefully, but the rims are for car shows, so when i feel like really taking my car out for a drive i put the stock 18 back on.

KYRX8 i think the rims look good but you dont have a body kit and suspension yet, they look like they are too big for the car because the car is so high off the ground. so keep up the good work.

heres my set up
20" Staggered Axis 7MOD Rims (20"x10" Rear, 20"x9" Front)
Toyo Proxes T1R Tires (275/30 ZR 20 Rear, 245/35 ZR 20 Front)

and heres some pictures
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2330383

this again, everyone get ready for backdraft its about to be a flame war in here

The best route is to get better performance and better looks at the same time, that means staying at 18's. To me a good show car has the go as well as the looks.