I've been wanting the 8 for God knows how long. My parents agreed on buying a car under $35k also, but they refuse on getting the 8 because its rear wheel drive, and they worry about me driving during the winter. Is it really that bad? Please share your experiences youve had driving during the winter time (if you live in a place that gets snow atleast).

Anything I can say to them to make them think otherwise? I'm willing to do almost anything to get this car, I'm even giving them my $10,000 i've saved over the years.

how old are you?

im 19, why do you ask?

I would have been happy with any car 35k or near, but that is beside the point.

You can begin by doing your homework on the net and here on the forum, and compile a list of safety features that the RX8 has, such as Dynamic Stability Control, Anti lock brakes, 50/50 weight ratio, scored very well in roll-over tests, and as an added bonus, insurance will normally be charged as a 4 door coupe rather then a 2 door sports car.

Once you explain this to them, maybe then you can convince them to take one for a test drive, so that they can see what little torque there is in the RX8, so rear wheel drive or not, its hard to lose control in this car.

Finally have your parents visit this forum, so that they can see for themselves how very little aftermarket products are available for this car, so that they can be at ease that you wont be spending your money on go fast goodies and ricer kits.

In closing, I hope this helps you to get the RX8, it is after all, a fine machine. I would have died and gone to heaven if my parents bought me a car even 1/32 as nice as an RX8, so if you do get it, always remember the genoerous thing they did for you, and dont hold the car over the heads of your peers who arnt so lucky.

You have very generous parents. My first car was a hand me down 89 Accord, and I thought I was very fortunate that my parents gave me that car. I guess you will learn to appreciate the RX-8 more after driving a 16 year old car.

Since theCATALYST covered most of the safety features, I suggest you get a set of winter(if it snows in your area) tires if you plan to drive it during the winter.

How about you just take what they offer you, like it, and stop being a spoiled brat.

most cars in that price range are FR cars... unless they want u to get an AWD or a TL...

Get an STI

Blue Eyes, was that really called for?

This thread is to help him.

If you have nothing helpful to say, then you have no business here.

How about you just take what they offer you, like it, and stop being a spoiled brat.


Ahmen. im 19 and i pay for my 8. and i go to school full time, get a job. i got one, and now i have an 8. Also, when u go see a dealer, and a salesman tells ur parents it has 240hp. hes lying, its got 200, from what i can tell/feel also dude, think about a 7 aswell, damn with 35k u can get a new engine, and have the sickest and one of the fastest rotarys out there. but i will say, my parents didnt like me getting the 8, till they drove it to. they "borrowed" it for a city drive, and they were impressed with how smooth it drove downtown. let them drive it, and tell them front wheel causes brain tumors if ya gotta lie.

If you live in an area that is really icey and snows alot I would agree with your parents. A rear wheel drive car, especially a high powered one, will get you killed. I have always had problems in the rain with my posi traction cars. I have fished tailed going up on ramps simply shifting into 2nd gear, casually driving. I would highly recommend an AWD car.

If they are willing to spend 35k then you should get a Subaru AWD. They are faster than an 8, look pretty cool, around 25k and have AWD. Plus they are a good deal heavier than the 8 so you'll get better traction. They only problem is they are turbo charged so it depends on how long you are going to keep it. BMW makes a nice 325i that is AWD. I think it is around 35k. THe ladies will probably appreciate the beamer a bit more than the Subaru. Especially since it has heated leather seats. Great for snuggling in the cold ).

Just my 2 cents.

the kid wants an RX8, why suggest him other cars? its going to be impractical as hell in the winter, but maybe hes willing to make that sacrafice for popularity? its sounds like its his dream car, so why suggest him something else?

you should tell them that, it has traction control and other features that keeps it from sliping under bad conditions. and that you'll be very careful.

but mainly let them know that, if they are going to buy you a car, then they should get you the car that you want. otherwise youd get stuck with a car that you dont like for years. then no one is happy, and they waste 35k. if you show a lot of passion and determination and stubborness, then usually they will give in.

good luck.

Brother ... it's good you did come onto board acting like a brat. Good for you.

As to reasons why to get the 8, Catalyst covered them for you. The car is very well balanced so it is easy to handle.

With regards to winter driving, it is fine as long as you're not stupid with it. With any car you can get yourself killed if you're being stupid in the winter. Get yourself a good pair of winter tires (many suggestions here on the thread). The DSC/TCS system is good and saved my butt a few times when going over roads that were iced over, with blowing snow.

The other thing that I wanted to mention is that FWD have the engine over the driving wheels which makes it great for starting off and accelerating in snow. RWD is at a disadvantage here. But when turning and stopping, having the engine over the driving wheels can actually be detrimental because all the burden of turning/braking is placed on one axel. RWD is at an advantage here because the driving axel and turning/braking is not all on one axel. Obviously with AWD, you have best of both worlds but can make you overconfident. How many times have you seen AWD SUVs in the ditch! Ha ha.

I actually prefer RWD in winters because you obviously don't always go in straightlines. Hills are a bit of a bitch but whatever. Good luck!

ok i dont see how hes being a brat, his parents are going to buy him an expensive car, they just dont accept rear wheel drive.

problem is, we cant tell them anything to change their worrying about RWD. youre 19, probably not very experienced in the winter, and therefore a car that costs ~35k is probably not the car for you.

Im 20 and own an 8, but live in south FL, so i dont have to worry about winter :p good luck

If you have to get a FWD car get an 06 Eclipse. LOL

Just tell your parents that a FWD car accelerates better in snow, but a RWD car can turn better. Isn't it better to have manueverability?

I grew up between 3 ski resorts in Colorado, and can say with complete certainty that as long as you have good tires and dont drive like an a$$hole there should be no problem. When I worked at Breckenridge ski resort, I drove an Rx7 to and from work everyday, never had a problem. Infact, I got a maxima after that 7 and slid off the road 2 times during the first winter! Nothing will help the conditions when it is icy, good tires (tested in several places) had more to do with winter handling than anything else.

If your a Mazda fan, wait for the MazdaSpeed 6 soon to be released w/AWD! A very nice compromise.

thanks guys, youve really helped me.

i'm not trying to be a brat either, its just i'd prefer a car that i want, and if i fail to convince them, then i'll go on and find another car like the STI or something. I'm just trying to see if there is still a chance to change their minds. if they do change their minds, that would be great and if not, i'll deal with it.

There are a number of people here that have an 8 and drive it in the snow. Just make sure the one you get has the traction control etc. Then go to www.tirerack.com and order a good set of snow tires (you can do a search here to find what everyone else is using) and the car will be set for the snow.

The other option is to get an 8, then have them buy a cheaper snow car so you dont mess up the new car. Good luck

Blue Eyes, was that really called for?

This thread is to help him.

If you have nothing helpful to say, then you have no business here.
Hey Bindon, It was helpful. His parents want to spend 35 thousand dollars on a car for him and he isn't happy with it because he wants a certain car. That's ridiculously selfish and bratty.

RWD always seems to be an issue. BMW's are all RWD and you see them everywhere in every climate. You just have to be a smart driver with good winter tires. I grew up in New England and I am there now for about a year for work. I personally will garage my 8, but not because of the lack of drivability, but more because I don't wanna buy snow tires when I live permanently in Atlanta. Other people here have give some great advice for your parents, but personally, if its RWD that concerns them, tell them to look at all the BMW's around town. If your parents are willing to buy YOU a car under $35K, I am sure they probably know a BMW when they see one. Another good option is the TL..it was the other finalist before I got an 8.

Hey Bindon, It was helpful. His parents want to spend 35 thousand dollars on a car for him and he isn't happy with it because he wants a certain car. That's ridiculously selfish and bratty.

You are missing the entire point. If they are going to spend $35k on any car, he wants to assure his parents that the car is safe to drive in the snow. And with a decent set of snow tires, the RX8 is very capable and will be $3k shy of $35k.

get it on your own and show up at your house in it one day. nice and simple.

shoot, when it snows up here in seattle, things just shut down. besides, i'm from hawaii so i don't trust any water that's not in liquid form. i'm surprised no one suggested the A4. their quattro system is very good and you can extract reasonable power from the 1.8t in the aftermarket.

You are missing the entire point. If they are going to spend $35k on any car, he wants to assure his parents that the car is safe to drive in the snow. And with a decent set of snow tires, the RX8 is very capable and will be $3k shy of $35k.
You make him sound so noble. The point is that he wants a car his parents have "refused" to buy him. So, he has resorted to the internet to get stacks of information saying the 8 is as good as any car in the snow with equal tires. That may be the case, but maybe, it's not so black and white with his parents. Maybe it's a combination of RWD+winter+unexperienced driver+whatever else they know about him = not a good idea.

I should add...
My brother was offered a new 20k CDN car by my parents to get too and from his apprenticeship. He was pissed because he wanted a used integra type R or 3 series. My parents wouldn't go for a used car, they wanted (on the surface) warranty, all that new car stuff. He went to his school (to be amechanic) and he and his freinds sat down and made a list of why a used car is a better purchase than new. He showed it to my father, who said no agian. Then my brother said whatever they will buy him, he will sell it and buy what he wants. I had never seen my dad this angry before that day, it was a whole different level of anger, I had pissed him off good before, but this...whoa! My brother walked away with no car (bus took 2 hrs, driving took 25 minutes), now paying rent, utilities, and food, he couldn't use their cars, and he couldn't bring freinds to our house. Biggest mistake of his life. Why were my parents so adament about a new car? Because they knew with a new car, he couldn't afford anything remotely sporty. They knew how he drove, how he made decisions, who he hung out with, and were fairly certain, if he got a typeR or 3 series, or anything with a modicum of performance, he would be in some sort of accident relating to street racing. But he was canvasing his freinds for ways around the warranty issue ;)

Try to get the 8, if not here is a list of awd cars and fwd cars that may work.

Mazdaspeed 6 (awd)
Audi A4 (awd)
Subaru (awd)
Evo (awd)
IS250 (awd available)
Infiniti G35 (awd available)
Acura TL (fwd)
3 series (awd available)

I am sure I am missing a few

Get winter tires, no matter what the car. Winter tires are essential, even with AWD, because having AWD helps you get unstuck, but it doesn't help you stop.

$2K will get you great winter tires and wheels, so allocating that out of a $35K budget should be a great peace of mind for your parents. $2K is even optimistic: I spent $1.2K on best-in-class winter tires and good looking wheels for my 8.

IMO, anytime you're paying more than $25K for a car that you will drive in the winter, you have no excuse to save on winter tires.

I thought I'd respond to the original question, rather than to debate whether he deserves an 8 or not. By the way, I think soliciting questions on the safety of the 8 in snow from people who drive them was a great idea. He will either gather evidence either in suport of or against his parents' concerns. Sharing experiences and opinions is what this forum is for.

So, back on topic. In my experience, the 8 in snow with all-season tires does not handle as well as an FWD car with all-seasons. All-season tires are not as good as dedicated snow tires; snow tires on either FWD or RWD will make any car safer. Even AWD cars are not invincible in snow. In making the decision between FWD, RWD, AWD, and between all-seasons and snow tires, one needs to consider how much snow one gets, how quickly the roads are cleared, whether one has a back-up option for snow days (e.g., AWD, FWD), how many others are out on snowy roads when you are, and how carfeully one drives. Experience driving in snow is also important.

The real question is how safe do you need to be? No vehicle is 100% safe. In mojoxjojo's case, how much worse is RWD with snows versus FWD with snows? Is the percentage improvement on the grand scale important?

I thought I'd respond to the original question, rather than to debate whether he deserves an 8 or not.

where is that debate?

Is the percentage improvement on the grand scale important?
the percentage improvement is largely based on driver ability. Something only his parents can attest too.

Safety is mostly issue of the driver and smart / stupid chances he's willing to take rather than the design of any car.

Get a p/t job, save some cash and buy the 8 yourself + winter tires. That will show your parents you're a grown-up and can act independently and responsibly, hence you'll be safe in any car, including RX-8.

Otherwise ask em to buy you an old fwd car like a Civic for $3500 and you'll be safe.

Get winter tires, no matter what the car. Winter tires are essential, even with AWD, because having AWD helps you get unstuck, but it doesn't help you stop.

my friend who owns an sti actually has trouble driving in the snow and says the ride is a bit skiddish.

calm down blue eyes xP
he's just a fortunate lucky guy whose parents will purchase him a car...
dont you believe that if his parents are going to buy him a car, they should buy him a car that he wants? I think he should fight for the car he wants.
chill out and just try to help the guy out...

yeah i had to buy a 92 dx non hatch civic for my first car but then i add like 3g to it and i was taking si out then i blow the engine in it. and then i baught the 99 ex and put around 5g in it and then i was taking out RX-8s and other fast cars like the srt-4.< get this car fwd and runs low 14.0 and with a grand in to it u could run low 13s. if u a good driver. i would not suggest a rwd car if u have never driving one. but then again this car has a lot of stuff. i am now looking into getting one i keep breaking the hondas so i am going to try a mazda now. next is a nissan if this breaks.hehe. here u go if u have never drove a rwd car take out a iroc in the rain it will help. that is what i did for 5 month tell i got good at it now i can drift it pretty well ( in the rain)
but man ur getting a 35k car for free damn i wish that was me . i am only 18. i have to work for my money.

calm down blue eyes xP
he's just a fortunate lucky guy whose parents will purchase him a car...
dont you believe that if his parents are going to buy him a car, they should buy him a car that he wants? I think he should fight for the car he wants.
chill out and just try to help the guy out...
What do you want me to say that hasn't already be puked out a million times before.
I'm hardly uncalm about this. I really don't care. I just presented my opinion after the inital post and people who didn't agree got their panties all twisted and shoved up their asses. I'm just telling him to be grateful that his parents are willing to buy him a car, and not to argue about the one he wants. If they don't see that what he wants is fit, TS, go buy it yourself if you want it that bad. Otherwise, be grateful and accept what they are willing to give.

You make him sound so noble. The point is that he wants a car his parents have "refused" to buy him. So, he has resorted to the internet to get stacks of information saying the 8 is as good as any car in the snow with equal tires. That may be the case, but maybe, it's not so black and white with his parents. Maybe it's a combination of RWD+winter+unexperienced driver+whatever else they know about him = not a good idea.

I should add...
My brother was offered a new 20k CDN car by my parents to get too and from his apprenticeship. He was pissed because he wanted a used integra type R or 3 series. My parents wouldn't go for a used car, they wanted (on the surface) warranty, all that new car stuff. He went to his school (to be amechanic) and he and his freinds sat down and made a list of why a used car is a better purchase than new. He showed it to my father, who said no agian. Then my brother said whatever they will buy him, he will sell it and buy what he wants. I had never seen my dad this angry before that day, it was a whole different level of anger, I had pissed him off good before, but this...whoa! My brother walked away with no car (bus took 2 hrs, driving took 25 minutes), now paying rent, utilities, and food, he couldn't use their cars, and he couldn't bring freinds to our house. Biggest mistake of his life. Why were my parents so adament about a new car? Because they knew with a new car, he couldn't afford anything remotely sporty. They knew how he drove, how he made decisions, who he hung out with, and were fairly certain, if he got a typeR or 3 series, or anything with a modicum of performance, he would be in some sort of accident relating to street racing. But he was canvasing his freinds for ways around the warranty issue ;)

im just trying to see if i still have a chance to convince them that this car isn't as bad as they think. they said i could choose the car also, and this is what i want. if they still think that i shouldn't get rwd, then i wont, and i'll go find another car. i was just hoping with the help of the people on the forums, i could acquire some information that can show them rwd isn't so bad. i really do appreciate their gesture in buying me a car thats $35k, and i am thankful for having an opportunity like this. i'm just pushing as far as i can without creating conflict with my parents. i have no intention to verbally fight with them to get this car.

i also dont plan on racing the car, i was never into that kind of stuff. im not like your brother, and would never sell the car they give me to get what i want.

What do you want me to say that hasn't already be puked out a million times before.
I'm hardly uncalm about this. I really don't care. I just presented my opinion after the inital post and people who didn't agree got their panties all twisted and shoved up their asses. I'm just telling him to be grateful that his parents are willing to buy him a car, and not to argue about the one he wants. If they don't see that what he wants is fit, TS, go buy it yourself if you want it that bad. Otherwise, be grateful and accept what they are willing to give.



blah blah blah, yeah we heard ya the first three times. Now do us all a favor and STFU!!!!! :rolleyes:

get a srt-4 that is what i would do. not to crack on the rx8 but u will have fun with that car if u like to race. i would get one but there are too many out here in toledo we have the fastest one in the us and the fastest gril in the srt-4.

blah blah blah, yeah we heard ya the first three times. Now do us all a favor and STFU!!!!! :rolleyes:
mojoxjojo answered my concerns with what he was doing. He did so without saying, that was uncalled for, calm down, or STFU. The fact that I have seen a very similar situation turn out completely shitty for someone is something he might want to know about. Good on him listening and putting to rest and doubts. I hope it works out for him because he showed he's just not some whiney kid wanting his way.

As for you, you know why you heard it three times. Because smart asses like yourself have to throw your worthless two cents in and tell me what to say and think. :rolleyes:

im just trying to see if i still have a chance to convince them that this car isn't as bad as they think. they said i could choose the car also, and this is what i want. if they still think that i shouldn't get rwd, then i wont, and i'll go find another car. i was just hoping with the help of the people on the forums, i could acquire some information that can show them rwd isn't so bad. i really do appreciate their gesture in buying me a car thats $35k, and i am thankful for having an opportunity like this. i'm just pushing as far as i can without creating conflict with my parents. i have no intention to verbally fight with them to get this car.

i also dont plan on racing the car, i was never into that kind of stuff. im not like your brother, and would never sell the car they give me to get what i want.
You never plan on racing the car or do any other stupid things....but they will happen, even if other people do them to you. You're honestly better off buying a car that's a few years old that you won't get too upset about when someone crashes into it, or if you crash it. Chances are you're not going to crash yourself, but learning to dodge other people who are trying to kill you is a skill they don't mention in driver's ed.

mojoxjojo answered my concerns with what he was doing. He did so without saying, that was uncalled for, calm down, or STFU. The fact that I have seen a very similar situation turn out completely shitty for someone is something he might want to know about. Good on him listening and putting to rest and doubts. I hope it works out for him because he showed he's just not some whiney kid wanting his way.

As for you, you know why you heard it three times. Because smart asses like yourself have to throw your worthless two cents in and tell me what to say and think. :rolleyes:



Everytime someone younger comes here and utters the words " my parents want to buy me..." your all over them like white on rice. You start spewing your beliefs and moral convictions as if that what they want to hear. Try answering their questions posted and not interject your own morality. And if you don't like what I have to say there's always the ignore function. :rolleyes:

Spring for the TCS/DCS and get some winter tires. Plus the RX8 has really good saftey rating for collision, and is almost impossible to roll.

http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3207.html

SRT-4
but tell ur parnets to talk to me i am only 18 and i am getting one. i have ben looking into this car alot. really is a nice car. there don't have cars eith rwd like in the 80 and early 90s. my dad has a z4 and that is rwd and it handles very well in the snow and it is low as can be

Everytime someone younger comes here and utters the words " my parents want to buy me..." your all over them like white on rice. You start spewing your beliefs and moral convictions as if that what they want to hear. Try answering their questions posted and not interject your own morality. And if you don't like what I have to say there's always the ignore function. :rolleyes:
Me? I don't care if their young, age has nothing to do with it. I don't think someone is automatically underserving because of their age, never have. I defy you find differently. When I care is when they haven't the maturity to undertstand or appreciate what they have and enjoy it safely. In fact, go find when I jump all over someone solely for his age.

If someone is smart enough to understand they're fortunate and respect what they have, awesome, I hope they enjoy their car and I am happy to help wtih any questions. If it's some spoiled little punk, ya, i'll tell them how it is. Someone has to tell them how stupid they sound.

i concur, scott.

thanks guys, youve really helped me.

i'm not trying to be a brat either, its just i'd prefer a car that i want, and if i fail to convince them, then i'll go on and find another car like the STI or something. I'm just trying to see if there is still a chance to change their minds. if they do change their minds, that would be great and if not, i'll deal with it.


I hope you don't get stuck with an sti :rolleyes:

hey sti are sweet.
but i think he should get a SRT-4 that or buy my civic runs 12.7 and it is a 99 it needs to be rebuilt has two spun bearings

Personally, I think his parents have strudel in the noodles, but that's just me. Nothing wrong with the kid. The parents are another issue.

im just trying to see if i still have a chance to convince them that this car isn't as bad as they think. they said i could choose the car also, and this is what i want. if they still think that i shouldn't get rwd, then i wont, and i'll go find another car. i was just hoping with the help of the people on the forums, i could acquire some information that can show them rwd isn't so bad. i really do appreciate their gesture in buying me a car thats $35k, and i am thankful for having an opportunity like this. i'm just pushing as far as i can without creating conflict with my parents. i have no intention to verbally fight with them to get this car.

i also dont plan on racing the car, i was never into that kind of stuff. im not like your brother, and would never sell the car they give me to get what i want.

Well, here is my opinion.
Anyone immature would have already cracked by now after reading some of these posts. I think mojoxjojo's comment here, free and clear of any flaming, or hostility, shows some degree of maturity, and I fully respect that. I have seen simular threads desintegrate into helpless arguing pretty fast, but mojo has kept his head on his shoulders.
I say go for it....and if your parents visit this website, then have them read this comment. More important then the safety value of any car, is the maturity level of its driver/owner.

The danger of this car in the hands (or feet) of a kid is not the fact that it's RWD, but the fact that it's fairly powerful, and begs to be driven hard. That, in my opinion as an old curmudgeon and father of three driving kids (note sig), is a recipe for disaster.

If your parents are willing to buy you a little rocket, try to convince them to pay for a quality track school, so you at least have some real education on how to drive the car right, and how to get out of trouble when (not if) you don't.

That said, if your parents want to spoil you, and aren't worried about a powerful car been an attractive danger to you, there's nothing wrong with RWD in the snow, as long as you have good snow tires, and drive responsibly.

Come to think of it, there's nothing wrong with this car at all as long as you drive responsibly. Anyone who claims that this (or any car with this magnitude of power, rather than a Viper) fishtails while being driven reasonably on the street has no idea what "reasonably" is.

The danger of this car in the hands (or feet) of a kid is not the fact that it's RWD, but the fact that it's fairly powerful, and begs to be driven hard. That, in my opinion as an old curmudgeon and father of three driving kids (note sig), is a recipe for disaster.

If your parents are willing to buy you a little rocket, try to convince them to pay for a quality track school, so you at least have some real education on how to drive the car right, and how to get out of trouble when (not if) you don't.

That said, if your parents want to spoil you, and aren't worried about a powerful car been an attractive danger to you, there's nothing wrong with RWD in the snow, as long as you have good snow tires, and drive responsibly.

Come to think of it, there's nothing wrong with this car at all as long as you drive responsibly. Anyone who claims that this (or any car with this magnitude of power, rather than a Viper) fishtails while being driven reasonably on the street has no idea what "reasonably" is.


not that i don't agree with u but my buddy 86 iroc-z fishtails all the time i had to give him a push to his house because of it. and he knows how to drive and yes it had good tires and yes it was nearly stock. key word nearly.

not that i don't agree with u but my buddy 86 iroc-z fishtails all the time i had to give him a push to his house because of it. and he knows how to drive and yes it had good tires and yes it was nearly stock. key word nearly.Well, an IROC-Z has like 350bhp, and it's RWD, so it'll fishtail pretty easily if mis-driven (and, by definition, if he's fishtailing on the public roads, he's mis-driving his car, and has no right to the conceit that he's a good driver). The track is much more fun, anyway, and infinitely safer. And legal. And did I mention fun? :D

Or, for a fraction of the cost, do autocross. Sane speeds (rarely exceeding 60mph), but exciting and teaches car control like no other method.

I was a kid once, and I have a decent memory. I have no doubt that my kids have flogged the car we let them drive, but flogging a 75bhp wagon is not quite as dangerous as flogging a powerful car.

My only points are (i) it's dangerous to flog a powerful car on the public road; (ii) when it's a young person, especially a young male, the only question is when he or she decides to see "what this thing'll do," not if he decides to try it out, and (iii) the right place for that is on the track, with proper instruction, or in an autocross.

i am 18 and ii am a vey good driver that is why i am been ask to race in the short truck track racing series. and no it does not have 350 stock it has 298 it was a 305 tpi but i has custom ram,exhust, custom job to the runners,headers and sift kit. and yeah he can drive. he show me how and he does autocross. than :) k u come again

My Lexus RX300 AWD with Torsen rear differential fishtails in the snow. I drive like an old lady. What am I doing wrong? NOTE: At one time in history, ALL cars were rear wheel drive - apparently no one under 25 drove them and, luckily, there was no snow around. My point being: You CAN operate a rear wheel drive car in the snow - its been done. But just to cover yourself, tell your parents that global warming is taking care of that snow problem. In the meantime, you're gonna have to budget for some snow tires and lay off the gas. Regarding the IROC-Z in snow, I may be a little off on this, but I think that car has 90% of its weight on the front wheels yet has RWD.

i am 18 and ii am a vey good driver that is why i am been ask to race in the short truck track racing series. and no it does not have 350 stock it has 298 it was a 305 tpi but i has custom ram,exhust, custom job to the runners,headers and sift kit. and yeah he can drive. he show me how and he does autocross. than :) k u come againIf he's throwing his rear end when not trying, either (i) there's something seriously wrong with the car, or (ii) there something seriously wrong with the driver. A driver can have great skill, but if he doesn't have the sense to use the skill in the appropriate place, he's not a good driver. :)

man i live in toledo we have tons of ice/ snow so maybe that is the problem becuase i can't drive my civic inthe snow. but it is turbo

Regarding the IROC-Z in snow, I may be a little off on this, but I think that car has 90% of its weight on the front wheels yet has RWD.The poster didn't say it fishtails in the snow, he said it fishtails "all the time."

With proper technique, and proper tires, you can largely avoid fishtailing in the snow, regardless of the type of car. I've driven in huge amounts of snow in light, RWD cars, without any trouble, jut by being reasonably careful.

man i live in toledo we have tons of ice/ snow so maybe that is the problem becuase i can't drive my civic inthe snow. but it is turboEver hear the saying, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools?" :) Are you actually engaging the turbo when there's snow on the road? :rolleyes:

yes that is true about the weight. but he had a really fat kid in the back<just kidding but no really it would not hook up maybe it was ice right there but i know he was going no where and he is a very good driver.

Ever hear the saying, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools?" :) Are you actually engaging the turbo when there's snow on the road? :rolleyes:

maybe. no i am not like i said ICE ilive in toledo we get ice/snow mixed not just snow and not just ice mixed. :p

i am 18 and ii am a vey good driver that is why i am been ask to race in the short truck track racing series. and no it does not have 350 stock it has 298 it was a 305 tpi but i has custom ram,exhust, custom job to the runners,headers and sift kit. and yeah he can drive. he show me how and he does autocross. than :) k u come again


I am really trying to understand just what language you're speaking here. It's easy ... really. Capitalization, punctuation. Subject, verb, predicate.

"Short truck track racing series"? So you're driving tracks on short trucks? I'm trying to visualize that.

Also, a sift kit? So, when he's baking a cake in his '86 IROC-Z (a world-beater of a car if there ever was one ... whoo!), he can properly sift the flour?

oh my ...

man i live in toledo we have tons of ice/ snow so maybe that is the problem becuase i can't drive my civic inthe snow. but it is turbo


And God knows Turbo Civics are all that and then some. Bet you've got a real cool wing on it too, right?

Let me guess ... is this your car?

http://is2.okcupid.com/users/142/296/14229652199111543262/mt1108577935.jpg

man i live in toledo we have tons of ice/ snow so maybe that is the problem becuase i can't drive my civic inthe snow. but it is turbo

let me guess, you have a turbo civic with an open diff, no abs and summer tires. I actually think it's safer to drive a rwd car with snow tires then fwd with all seasons in the snow/ice. At least the rwd is somewhat predictable.

Get something cheaper and invest your $10K for a couple of years. Then you can invest the +$10K into a house. You'll never regret it.

BTW, does anyone know what broke_2_hondas is talking about?

Hey but he broke two Hondas - both times by over-boosting them. He posted in the lounge too. His profile shows he's driving a $3000 car with $15,000 worth of performance parts in it, so he's clearly a financial wizard as well as a linguist.

Quite the tool.

BTW, does anyone know what broke_2_hondas is talking about?Does it matter? Every car forum needs as many 18 year olds as possible, who overdrive whatever they have (and it's even better when that isn't the forum car), to give us the benefit of their wisdom and experience (especially when that extensive wisdom and experience has nothing to do with the forum car).

In my opinion, it's not all about the car but the driver. I believe that you can be driving a 35 hp moped and still serioulsy injure yourself let alone driving a 238 hp car. I believe that the car shouldn't be such a problem as long as you drive it with care and get used to it more. Driving isn't really just for the sake of sitting in the driver seat and driving around. When you drive your car, you get used to it and it just kind of becomes a part of you. You know how it reacts, how it will perform, and when it needs to be taken care of. If you're parents believe that this is going to be a difficult car for you to drive, go for it. I think the harder the car is to drive, the better driver you'll become. I had to drive a mini-van with blown shocks and no power steering. It was hell in the winter but when I got my car, it was so much easier to adapt. I think it would be better if you started with the 8 now than getting it later. If you get an "easy" car to drive now, yeah, you'll be safe and easy but what happens when you get the 8 in the future. You're so used to your "easy" car that when you try driving a more difficult car to handle, you'll have trouble driving it. It's like starting over again because you have to get used to the car and know it's highs, lows, weaknesses, strengths, and reactions. You should get the 8. You're parents offered right? So I think it doesn't really matter what kind of car it is. The STi fishtails even though its AWD because of the racing tires and the torque, so does that still mean the RX8 is a really dangerous car. It all depends on the driver and how they drive. If you know you're car is to the limit where it is going to lose control, if you're used to it, you won't let it go past that limit. Anyway. That's my opinion.

interesting thing about RWD vs FWD and AWD.. You should show this to your parents.

http://www.corollaperformance.com/TechInfo/RWD.html

And now for the moment you all have been waiting for: I throw in my two cents! :)

Front wheel vs. rear wheel drive is a grossly inflated issue. Back in the day, EVERY car was rear wheel drive and people weren't dying in droves. I learned to drive on rear wheel, first two cars I ever drove were rear wheel, starting with my family's old '75 Gran Torino station wagon. Somewhere along the line I was switched over to front wheel drive, and in truth I never really noticed a difference, apart from not having to hassle with snow tires. Now with my 8, I'll get snow tires again. Certainly a worthwhile trade-off, in my opinion.

About the only place I really think it makes a difference is if you're trying to go up a hill in the snow. I do remember having difficulties with that in my old Mustang.

I haven't driven my 8 in the snow yet, but really I'm more concerned about the light weight of the rotary engine than I am about the rear wheel drive.

Krankor
05 Shinka 6MT

ok yes my is a civic and no it has no wing and yes i blow to up. but i do have very good tires on it. and i thought the block gruard would stop it form being overboosted. yes my typing sucks but i don't care. o and the 99 cost 9g sorry not 3 the first costs 3k got it good

Cost: $9,000
Value to another ricer: $4,000
True worth: $1,500
Blowing up two of them because you don't know what you're doing: Priceless


And you might wanna learn to type. The worse you type the more people ignore you. Obviously you want people to see your opinion or you wouldn't have posted, but when you type like a two-year-old no one is going to pay you the least bit of attention.

I still don't think an 8 is a good idea in the snow when your 18 and learning to drive. It's tough to explain until you've driven for a while. Most people I know who live where it snows and have sports cars drive a second car during the winter. Obviously, it is worth a great deal to your parents piece of mind about your safety. They care about you and don't want to see you off a cliff or upside down in a ditch.

If you can't live without an 8, then compromise. Start by asking your father to drive it and see what he thinks. Then consider a used one for about 10k less than they are new. I picked up a 2004, 5k miles, appearance package, GT, accent package, NAV w/tire monitoring for 25k. I still have 2.5 years and 45k on my warranty.

Then use the money you save to buy a second all wheel drive car for the seasonal driving.

I just can't express how dangerous a light weight, high hp, rear wheel drive, POSI traction car is in the snow. Well it's not really the snow that will get you. What's gonna get you is when you go around a corner, hit some black ice, fish-tail into the next lane and get broad sided by a 4k pound vehicle.

ok yes my is a civic and no it has no wing and yes i blow to up. but i do have very good tires on it. and i thought the block gruard would stop it form being overboosted. yes my typing sucks but i don't care. o and the 99 cost 9g sorry not 3 the first costs 3k got it good

Oh, sorry. So short sighted of me to accuse you of blowing up a $3000 Civic when you actually blew up a $9000 one that you've paid $19,000 for.

A 1999 Civic that you've invested $19,000 in that has a blown engine but four good tires.

Wow, that's way cool. You must be so proud.

I'm figuring the tires are worth, generously, $500. Guessing the car has 75,000 miles on it and is in probably somewhere between fair and good shape, so that makes it worth about $6,600 before deducting about $2000 for the blown engine, which to replace, not withstanding the $10,000 in parts that he's put towards it, is about $2,500 based on what I saw at www.orientengine.com.

Sure makes great financial sense to me. At least it "runs" 12 1/2 second 1/4 miles. At what speed did you run your 1/4? Just curious.

can't someone give me some cedit. i have sohc civic that ran 12.57 i mean it is hard enough to get a si in hat range.

I'm sure it's a proud achievement that people will consider with high regard when you're interviewing for a job in your future career.

Ok THIS THREAD IS WAAAAAAAY OF TOPIC...
MODS PLEASE

The kid should get his RX8. hell he is putting 10k out of his own pocket. Also You (the kid) should take into consideration the mainenance, gas, winter tires (yes you need them), inshurance, ect. And you should pay for those expences. I t will make you apreciate more what you have.

In terms of safety. The most important part of it will be you not the car. The Rx8 has the highest crash, rollover, and stability/control standards so that should keep you safe as long as you dont do anything stupid in your car.

a little off subject. Yes I am alittle jelous. when I was a kid my parents just co signed for my 1st car but all the $$$ came out of MY pocket. I still miss that car. It was a red 87 rX7 I fell in love with rotaries from that time. It seems that now a days parents are giving expensive cars to their kids just for turning 18. My how times have changed, or mabe I was just born on the wrong side of the tracks.

Just Enjoy Your car (Hope you convince your folks) and take good care of it.

Cool it, fellas.

a 12.xx second quarter mile civic doesnt belong in this thread. Stop threadjacking and get this thread back on track.

I say if you can afford to pay for the 8 out of your own pocket then you are responsible enough to drive one.

I think its funny your 19 and they treat you like your 15. Well they are buying the car but at first when you posted to help convince your parents I thought you were 15.

I've noticed several posts requesting the original poster to have his parents read this forum before deciding on a vehicle. I assure you if they do read this forum, the 35 thousand slotted for a new car will now go towards an education.

We could only hope.

mojoxjojo just got pwned.. good job guys :rolleyes: hate hate hate

One kids dreams down the tubes.

How did he get pwned. People told him the car can be driven in the snow with snow tires no problem, as long as the driver is competent.

I pray for his sake his dreams aren't to have his parents buy him a 30k car. That would be pretty sad.

I really dont understand as to how I've gotten "pwned" or why I need an education.

I would like to pay for my own car, but I really have no time for a job. I'm a pharmacy major, and im already struggling to find time for myself. This is just their way of rewarding me for my hard work.

And it may be my dream car, but its definitely not worth fighting with my parents over. I've also been compiling a list of backup cars (thanks to everyone's suggestions) I'd like to have just in case I don't change their minds about rwd.

So if someone could please explain to me why I've gotten pwned or why my parents will think I need some sort of an education, that would be absolutely wonderful.

And to everyone else, you've been a great help!

I don't know what the hell is going on anymore. You seem like a sharp guy, good luck with everything. Of course, post pics when you get it ;) :D

This thread is way too long. If your parents are rewarding you, that's a great thing. Some people just get upset because they feel that since they paid for their cars, everyone else should too, and if they don't they are spoiled brats who can't drive and have no respect for anything blah blah blah:rolleyes:. Some people are lucky to have higher income families that can do things like this. Good luck with whatever you get. :)

^ What he said. As for other cars, if I had to pick a FWD in that price range that was bottom line bang for your buck, i'd say the Acura TL (6 speed of course).

whoa.. this was an interesting thread.. Thanks for all the useless posts :D

Everyone always gets so damn touchy whenever someone says "my parents are going to buy me an 8" .. If your parents can afford it and believe in giving you a 35k reward for all your hard work go for it.. Just don't screw around with it, and remember, this car outhandles almost every car on the road.. So take defensive driving school!!! It REALLY HELPS.. I've averted so many accidents because of those techniques that everyone should take that shit.. plus it's fun!!

Good luck though.. Personally what I did when I was in school was get the shitty 89' ford tempo my dad used to have so I could get around, and then when your done school and get that nice cooshy job.. BUY IT THEN! I wanted an integra type r, parents said no way in hell we'll get you this but we'll buy you a civic or something like that.. I said hey you know what, give me the tempo which was free and we'll talk when i'm done school. Like you said, you barely have any time to yourself, will you really get that much use out of the 8?

But, since I didn't have to deal with gas/maintenance/insurance/etc (which the 8 has cost me WAY more in costs than the tempo) I was able to instead of buying an RSX (yes that was the car i was going to buy) I bought the 8 one month out of uni and have loved every second I've had it(almost a year and a half)

Oh ya, and no matter what, you have to get DSC/TCS .. That feature will save your life 10x over, especially if you have no experience with RWD..


MrJynx

If I could go back and be 19 with what I know now I'd ask my parents for a $2,000 car and invest the remainder. Cars are generally horrible investments and starting your working career off with $30k+ banked after finishing school would benefit you more than owning a used car worth half that.

If I could go back and be 19 with what I know now I'd ask my parents for a $2,000 car and invest the remainder. Cars are generally horrible investments and starting your working career off with $30k+ banked after finishing school would benefit you more than owning a used car worth half that.

you see that makes sense, and is probaly the best advise i've read so far :) But investing is the last thing on a teenager/early 20's mind.. I pissed away all of my hard earned money during school on crap (computers, snowboarding, partying, etc). I should have been investing it :eek:

Alright, I'll flaunt my ignorance. What's "pwned"?

Krankor
05 Shinka 6MT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwned

whoa.. this was an interesting thread.. Thanks for all the useless posts :D

Everyone always gets so damn touchy whenever someone says "my parents are going to buy me an 8" .. If your parents can afford it and believe in giving you a 35k reward for all your hard work go for it.. Just don't screw around with it, and remember, this car outhandles almost every car on the road.. So take defensive driving school!!! It REALLY HELPS.. I've averted so many accidents because of those techniques that everyone should take that shit.. plus it's fun!!

Good luck though.. Personally what I did when I was in school was get the shitty 89' ford tempo my dad used to have so I could get around, and then when your done school and get that nice cooshy job.. BUY IT THEN! I wanted an integra type r, parents said no way in hell we'll get you this but we'll buy you a civic or something like that.. I said hey you know what, give me the tempo which was free and we'll talk when i'm done school. Like you said, you barely have any time to yourself, will you really get that much use out of the 8?

But, since I didn't have to deal with gas/maintenance/insurance/etc (which the 8 has cost me WAY more in costs than the tempo) I was able to instead of buying an RSX (yes that was the car i was going to buy) I bought the 8 one month out of uni and have loved every second I've had it(almost a year and a half)

Oh ya, and no matter what, you have to get DSC/TCS .. That feature will save your life 10x over, especially if you have no experience with RWD..


MrJynx

What's DSC/TC? haha, sorry not really familiar with the lingo :confused:

Also considering that I don't dorm, and I take the train to and from school, it would be nice if I could drive to school instead of worrying about train schedules and run by my own schedule, you know? So I kind of do need a car, and it would be nice riding to school in an 8.

And investing the money sounds like a very good idea. Maybe if they still say no to getting the 8, i'll find some nice used car and invest the rest, but only if they don't agree on getting the 8. :D

Why not buy a used rx8 if youre considering a used car?

Trade off with your folks, used rx8 for cheaper :P

Why not buy a used rx8 if youre considering a used car?

Trade off with your folks, used rx8 for cheaper :P

it would still be rwd though, which is their main concern.

DSC = Dynamic Stability Control
TC = Traction Control

Why invest all that money? Sure it may be smart, but should you really eliminate your fun times as a teenager so you don't have to skimp as much 10 years down the road? You're cheating yourself if you do that. I'm a firm believer in doing what you want, when you want to. I don't much understand how some people can do that, so boring. :p

QUOTE: "Why invest all that money? Sure it may be smart, but should you really eliminate your fun times as a teenager so you don't have to skimp as much 10 years down the road? You're cheating yourself if you do that. I'm a firm believer in doing what you want, when you want to. I don't much understand how some people can do that, so boring."



Never too young to start investing. For example if you start saving $155 a month at age 20 with a 12% return you will be a millionaire by age 55. If you start saving at age 30 you will have to put back $535 a month to save a Million by age 55. If being relatively financially secure most of your life is boring then try this on after you are 65; "Hello, welcome to Walmart." A lot of people spend the last part of their life cleaning up the poor choices they made during the first half...

Why invest all that money? Sure it may be smart, but should you really eliminate your fun times as a teenager so you don't have to skimp as much 10 years down the road? You're cheating yourself if you do that. I'm a firm believer in doing what you want, when you want to. I don't much understand how some people can do that, so boring. :p

This is sure spoken like someone who is still "on the tit", isn't it.

Try living independently, on your own cash, rather than on the cash of your parents and you may see things quite a bit differently.

Why are there people on this site suggesting to him to get a different car? This is RX8club.com correct? A lot of other cars suggested have pretty much the same problem. I would suggest since winter doesn't last all year long, that you get the 8. If you can help it, don't drive it all winter long. That's the best I can do.

I drive my AWD vehicle on bad weather days. AWD is still the best solution for snow weather. But I'll drive my 8 the rest of the time.

As a father of 3, I gave my oldest daughter a FWD vehicle, my 2nd Daughter an AWD/4x4, and my son will get the same, either FWD, 4x4, or AWD. We live in Michigan and can have snow on our roads for months, near the house. We have 2 miles of dirt roads before we reach pavement, so snow tends to stick around for awhile on the dirt roads. When it does melt, they turn into mudholes. lol.

Anyway, if you don't have allot of days of snowfall, say about 10 days a year, and the roads get plowed in a timely manner, I think in general the 8 will do you fine, with the TC, etc, and snow tires. Obviously remember that on those snow days, your not racing anymore, and it might be more white knuckle driving then if you had FWD, or AWD.

I have allot of experience driving RWD, FWD, AWD, 4x4 in michigan, and all wheel drive with Traction Control, Rollover Sensing Control, ABS, etc. are the best combinations you can get for winter driving.

I would agree with your parents on this one. Sorry. If I were paying the bill for a car for my kids, which I have, I would get what I did for my kids. Save the fun car for Dad, which I might let them drive once in awhile. :)

Why invest all that money? Sure it may be smart, but should you really eliminate your fun times as a teenager so you don't have to skimp as much 10 years down the road? You're cheating yourself if you do that. I'm a firm believer in doing what you want, when you want to. I don't much understand how some people can do that, so boring. :p


hahaha.. that's funny, fun times while a teenager.. man the real party doesn't happen till your in the 20's and 30's :)



MrJynx

I cannot believe how many people replied to this? You would THINK it was something worth talking about????????? People arguing over what some kid wants.....unreal?????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????

hehe... He asked for advice... that and 50 cents might get you a coffee at the coffee club of your favorite working establishment.

This is sure spoken like someone who is still "on the tit", isn't it.

Try living independently, on your own cash, rather than on the cash of your parents and you may see things quite a bit differently.
Heh, you may think what you will but my opinion will stand. I pay for my car, and that's it. Yes I live off of my parents food, under their roof, many do while still in their teen years, I think anyway. Is there something wrong with that? I believe that the latter teen years are meant more for having a great time, than learning from Morgan-Stanley and trying to better your portfolio. To each their own I guess.

QUOTE: "Why invest all that money? Sure it may be smart, but should you really eliminate your fun times as a teenager so you don't have to skimp as much 10 years down the road? You're cheating yourself if you do that. I'm a firm believer in doing what you want, when you want to. I don't much understand how some people can do that, so boring."



Never too young to start investing. For example if you start saving $155 a month at age 20 with a 12% return you will be a millionaire by age 55. If you start saving at age 30 you will have to put back $535 a month to save a Million by age 55. If being relatively financially secure most of your life is boring then try this on after you are 65; "Hello, welcome to Walmart." A lot of people spend the last part of their life cleaning up the poor choices they made during the first half...
You guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not asking/telling anyone to go out and blow all their money. I don't think it is fair as a kid, to limit the things you can do because you want to be better prepared for the future. Why not live for today? Saving money is great, but putting away 33k out of 35k is a little over the edge in my opinion. Call me a dolt if you'd like, but this is my view. Compromising your teen years by putting away over 90% of you money is foolish in my opinion.

You guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not asking/telling anyone to go out and blow all their money. I don't think it is fair as a kid, to limit the things you can do because you want to be better prepared for the future. Why not live for today? Saving money is great, but putting away 33k out of 35k is a little over the edge in my opinion. Call me a dolt if you'd like, but this is my view. Compromising your teen years by putting away over 90% of you money is foolish in my opinion.

I have to agree with this. But apparently, on this narrow-minded holier-than-thou thread, I have to cite my credentials first to do so. I am 43 years old and have been living on my own money for some 20 years. I am a major believer in saving and investing, and in most things in life I am very frugal. For instance, I live in a very small, very affordable appartment. A couple years ago I was out of work for a lengthy period of time and I was able to get through it because I had plenty of savings to fall back on. So I am hardly a spendthrift.

But you know what? There are certain things in life that you just have to spend money on and enjoy. What precisely those are will differ from person to person, but for an awful lot of people, having a cool car, especially when you're young, is one of them. For me, these days, it's taking vacations with my girlfriend from Poland. Indeed, taking a trip with her was what finally made me decide it was time to dump the old frugalmobile (acquired while I was out of work, but kept because it was working just fine and wasn't costing me anything), and step up to something really nice. Hence the Shinka.

Planning for the future is terrific, but sometimes you have to enjoy the present, because that's what life is and you have to live it. I promise you, when he's 85, he won't be looking back with joy remembering the money he saved by not buying a cool car when he was young. But the memories I'll have of driving around in my old mustang: priceless.

To quote Professor Harold Hill:

"You pile up enough tomorrows and you'll find you've collected nothing but a lot of empty yesterdays. I don't know about you, but I'd like to make today worth remembering."

Enough of this, I'm going down to the footbridge.

Krankor
05 Shinka 6MT

Let me just lay this out strait, i to am 19, I have an RX-8. at the age of 19, i make good money, i invest in my 401k and have since i was 18. i now have over 6k in my 401k, and i do save 200 dollars a month in my savings, that i cant even touch. (which is good) Honestly bro, since ur getting a car for free, and ur not having to pay for it, just get what u can get ya know? I read that ur doing pharmacy shit right? well, they make good money, after ur outta school, then get one. invest in a house like i did. im 19, and have my own house. so seriously, all that money ur gettingg from ur parents, i would save, u can easily turn ur 35k into 50k in 6 years. thats 15k for doing nuthing but saving. hope were all helping, even though some arent. but i hope u get this.

I have to agree with this. But apparently, on this narrow-minded holier-than-thou thread, I have to cite my credentials first to do so. I am 43 years old and have been living on my own money for some 20 years. I am a major believer in saving and investing, and in most things in life I am very frugal. For instance, I live in a very small, very affordable appartment. A couple years ago I was out of work for a lengthy period of time and I was able to get through it because I had plenty of savings to fall back on. So I am hardly a spendthrift.

But you know what? There are certain things in life that you just have to spend money on and enjoy. What precisely those are will differ from person to person, but for an awful lot of people, having a cool car, especially when you're young, is one of them. For me, these days, it's taking vacations with my girlfriend from Poland. Indeed, taking a trip with her was what finally made me decide it was time to dump the old frugalmobile (acquired while I was out of work, but kept because it was working just fine and wasn't costing me anything), and step up to something really nice. Hence the Shinka.

Planning for the future is terrific, but sometimes you have to enjoy the present, because that's what life is and you have to live it. I promise you, when he's 85, he won't be looking back with joy remembering the money he saved by not buying a cool car when he was young. But the memories I'll have of driving around in my old mustang: priceless.

To quote Professor Harold Hill:

"You pile up enough tomorrows and you'll find you've collected nothing but a lot of empty yesterdays. I don't know about you, but I'd like to make today worth remembering."

Enough of this, I'm going down to the footbridge.

Krankor
05 Shinka 6MT


Ya know, any day you can quote Music Man, is a great day!

Krankor, who is your Shipoopie?

Tell Them!!!

Enough is enough, convince your own parents, that's not our responsibility.

Theres over a million posts on this forum and im pretty sure you are smart enough to scrap together enough information to sell your parents on the idea of getting you an RX-8.

We've given you all the information you need about this car yet you continue to say your parents dont want you having a RWD car. News flash, the RX-8 is RWD and no matter what we say on these forums, it will remain a RWD car. It's got the DSC/TCS system which is very aggressive when it comes to wheel spin/slides. Pair that with a proper set of winter tires and youre pretty safe as long as you keep in mind that youre driving on SNOW, not asphalt.

If youre going to drive it like you stole while in the snow, regardless of it being RWD, FWD or AWD, you're going to have an accident eventually.

Enough is enough, convince your own parents, that's not our responsibility.

Theres over a million posts on this forum and im pretty sure you are smart enough to scrap together enough information to sell your parents on the idea of getting you an RX-8.

We've given you all the information you need about this car yet you continue to say your parents dont want you having a RWD car. News flash, the RX-8 is RWD and no matter what we say on these forums, it will remain a RWD car. It's got the DSC/TCS system which is very aggressive when it comes to wheel spin/slides. Pair that with a proper set of winter tires and youre pretty safe as long as you keep in mind that youre driving on SNOW, not asphalt.

If youre going to drive it like you stole while in the snow, regardless of it being RWD, FWD or AWD, you're going to have an accident eventually.

If only you could have said this in a kinder way. Talk to ur parents, if they say no rx-8, then theres no rx-8. get sumth9ing else, then when u get outta school, then get whatever car u want. I still hate it when members are just rude. ignore them. U might wanna check the subie boards aswell, they are friendly, and can offer u some advice on the wrx. ehich might be something else to consider.

just wash all dishes, clean up the house and give them the sad puppy eyes. After that tell them to test drive it at lease once. If after all that they still not convince, get a job, move out and get it yourself.

Ya know, any day you can quote Music Man, is a great day!

Krankor, who is your Shipoopie?

Well, Ethel Toffelmier was already taken, so I've found me a nice Polish girl, name of Agnieszka. She's a go-gal (who only goes for me. ;) )

Krankor
05 Shinka 6MT

Judging by the previous posts I believe we have teenagers providing another teenager information on what vehicle to purchase. A 35 thousand dollar gift will do him no good. Finish college, earn your degree, get a job, earn your own money then purchase a vehicle of your choice. Don't talk about all the "hard work" your being rewarded for...nonsense! This Hard Work that you speak of would have earned you the 35 thousand already on your own and this forum would never have taken place. Shame on you for taking your parents money and shame on your parents for getting their priorities ass-backwards.

Judging by the previous posts I believe we have teenagers providing another teenager information on what vehicle to purchase. A 35 thousand dollar gift will do him no good. Finish college, earn your degree, get a job, earn your own money then purchase a vehicle of your choice. Don't talk about all the "hard work" your being rewarded for...nonsense! This Hard Work that you speak of would have earned you the 35 thousand already on your own and this forum would never have taken place. Shame on you for taking your parents money and shame on your parents for getting their priorities ass-backwards.



Read everyone of my posts, yes, i am a teenager, but i got my priorities strait. Im still going to school, and working 2 jobs. I told him to save his 35k.. and get something cheap. read all the posts b4 u post something that makes no sense. also, u know damnwell if ur parents offered u 35k and u were 19 u would take it! i sure as hell would. and dont shame his parents for parenting. if they think theyre son diservers a car, damnit he should get a car. If my son is going to college, and working, and getting good grades, he can get whatever he wants. so FLAME ON!

Hey but he broke two Hondas - both times by over-boosting them. He posted in the lounge too. His profile shows he's driving a $3000 car with $15,000 worth of performance parts in it, so he's clearly a financial wizard as well as a linguist.

Quite the tool.


CLASSIC!!!!!! This became worth reading with posts like that! Too funny, he really put you in your place though :rolleyes:

He did??? I scanned all the posts again to find out what you're talking about and didn't see it.

Glad I made you laugh ...

Krankor: Ya gotta know the territory!

your parents are going to spend $35k on a car for their 19 year old.

im not going to comment on this. learn some working skills, and finance an 8.

oh and your 19, you dont need mommy and daddy anymore. ;)

RWD is just more fun on slick roads (not more dangerous).

your parents are going to spend $35k on a car for their 19 year old.

im not going to comment on this. learn some working skills, and finance an 8.
oh and your 19, you dont need mommy and daddy anymore.



Geez.... I must have missed the part where he asked whether anyone thought it was right for his parents to buy him a car. I, for one, don't feel qualified to offer an opinion on this question since I have no idea of all the circumstances (although some information was graciously offered in response to the attacks).

I cannot say that every decision I have ever made, or that my parents ever made while I was under their care some thirty years ago, would always have appeared reasonable to everyone else, but they did appear reasonable to me at the time. It's not the job of strangers to decide what's in my best interests, and not mine to dictate what is the best interests of others unless they specifically ask me to do so.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=60377

THE CAR HAS 8 airbags! i think thats great!!! its only a 1.3L its got a tiny engine mom!

This thread had become a Rorschach test for many people...it's hilarious.

If mojoxjojo is still around, use some some of your money for some advanced driving lessons in a class that has rear wheel drive cars, maybe that'll pacify your parents. For a couple of hundred dollars you should be able to get a good class somewhere nearby.

The other things that cracks me up about this FD/RD debate is that I grew up in Minnesota in the 70s, and everyone had rear wheel drive...no big deal driving through feet and feet of snow. It's all up to the driver. A dumb driver will do more damage in a FD than an average, cautious driver in a RD. Whatever you get, get snow tires. They make more difference than FD/RD. And remember that everything--stopping starting, turning--takes a little longer in the snow, so plan everything a little earlier and slower.

If you get your 8, take it on a parking lot, slowly, and toss the rear out a little and see if you can catch it. It will be invaluable those times you're starting from a stop sign into a turn, and the rear tires spin on some ice or packed snow you didn't expect. The quicker you can countersteer the less you'll slide. Also try a couple quick brake checks so you'll know what it's like when you start sliding while stopping, though with ABS this may not be a big deal anymore (I just remembered! In the 70s nobody had ABS either or airbags...some of us didn't even have seat belts...somehow almost all of us managed to stop in the snow with rear wheel drive cars--it's a wonder any of us survived!)

Good luck and happy (and safe) driving.

Not only should you demand the RWD RX-8 but that your parents pick up and move to a warm climate so you don't have to worry about snow -or- have them buy a snowplow and the butler can drive in front of you when it snows.

well i hope whatever u say persuades them cause the rx is F-IN greatttttttttttt havent had more fun in a car in a long time

The other things that cracks me up about this FD/RD debate is that I grew up in Minnesota in the 70s, and everyone had rear wheel drive...no big deal driving through feet and feet of snow. It's all up to the driver. A dumb driver will do more damage in a FD than an average, cautious driver in a RD. Whatever you get, get snow tires. They make more difference than FD/RD. And remember that everything--stopping starting, turning--takes a little longer in the snow, so plan everything a little earlier and slower.


Amen and well said!