Ok, what's going to take to hunt 350 z's and kill them?

1) Bone stock Z

2) A Z with intake and exhaust


Do you think we have a chance to kill them with intake and exhaust mods only on the 8?

Statistically were pretty close now.

nope u dont have a chance

Put lead in the trunk, or water in the gas tank of the 350z. Then you may have a 50/50 chance.

You are speaking of a drag correct? :D :rolleyes:

lol why is everything about straight line? On a road course it depends on driver, but a slight edge to the 8

Go out to a tight technical course. If you are doing straight drag, or a track with long straights you are dead.

I can keep up with em on a track with long straight, you just need to make up a ton of room on the brakes and turns

i'm just waiting for someone to reply: "you can take them in the twisties!"

that's so obviously not what people who start these threads are looking for....they want stoplight killers. :rolleyes:

Simple and quick answer. FI.

you can whoop the 5 speed AT Z owners!

Lol, u guys have funny reply.
Oh, can we beat rsx-s and eclipse or 330 ci in straight line?

i'll race you in a stright line. I'll be wearing my black new balances, or maybe my puma's!

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Oh, can we beat rsx-s and eclipse or 330 ci in straight line?

If you are a decent driver. The 330 may be more of a challenge.

take a giant acme rubber band put it around the light post and slowly back up into then hold the brakes and wait for a z to come by i dont think i would even bother with the engine just kick it neutral and sling shot your way to glory

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Oh, can we beat rsx-s and eclipse or 330 ci in straight line?


The 05' rxs-S have stock Type-R pistons , exhaust, and if im not mistaking the Final drive is the same as the type-R

The 05 doesnt use the same K20A2 engine it uses the K20Z1 engine now on the 05s

basicly the new rsx-s w/ I/RH/EX can beat stocks s2ks..


put some IPS K2 Cams on it and Hondata K-pro and a flywheel...you have a very very quick RSX..


I wanted that car so bad untill i found the insurance was going to rape my ass...

i honestly have never had any problems with the rsx-s, don't know why, but its the truth. On a track of course :)

never had a problem with 330ci's on a straight line... highway rolling starts or off the lines.

we've never had problems beating the RSX-S so far. ive definitely never killed one, but ive always finished ahead.

barely lost to the 06 eclipse, and lost by a few car lengths to the 350z.

An 06 Eclipse? Really? Perhapos my memory is wrong, but aren't they slower than the previous gen, and those only had like a 6.5 0-60 IIRC..?

Last track day there was 3 rsx-s, 3 wrx, 1 m3, 1 z4, none of which could keep up, but it was a tight track and I was running R compounds. I have run into a 350z on the track before. He was faster on the straights but I would catch him in the turns. Almost identical lap times.

An 06 Eclipse? Really? Perhapos my memory is wrong, but aren't they slower than the previous gen, and those only had like a 6.5 0-60 IIRC..?

They have 260hp and I think 260tq. Its a pig of a car, but with that power it is relatively quick.

I think you make a mistake about hunting 350Z's. You assume that people in stock Z's are going to want to "race you". People don't want to race you unless they feel they have an advantage over you...which means they're going to either be pushing a turbo/supercharger, or heavy NA mods.

You'd need a greedy turbo'd, dyno tuned, with one of the new X ecu thingy's to have a chance in your stoplight battles. Even then, if the Z is supercharged, its going to leave you in the dust. (Low end torque slaughters all in stoplight battles).

If you want to stomp 350Z's no matter what mods they have, you might want to start working on the world's first LS2 conversion. An LS2/T56 from a wrecked 2005 GTO would probably run you the same money as a decent turbo kit, especially if you can ebay your old drivetrain. You'd just have a tad more fabrication to do. ;)

88 Crx K20 Type R Jackson Racing Supercharger...its Over

Didn't know the 350 was that much faster, but I knew I could not beat one. I have a Blue one around here that tries to race me all the time, but I don't feel like losing. I am saving for a Greddy Turbo and then I'll give him a go. Does anyone have times for a full bolt-on RX-8, I/Ex/HiFlowCat/Flywhl/Pullies?

You'd probably be in the low 14s with that set up. Still not good enough to beat a 350.

Maybe it's just my area...but most of the people who drive 350zs around here never seem to be the racing type. The punks in G35 Coupes, on the other hand, are another story.

Even though the 06 Eclipse has impressive horsepower and torque figures...its fat ass brings its 0-60 and 1/4 mile down to our level of performance. So in a straight line it would come down to the driver. We'd probably slaughter it on the track though.

hey you can take it trought the twisties though... haha ok jk jk just had to say that but no no i saw the top gear on the 8 and it had the same time as a m3 and guess what else had the same time?.... 350... but hey who cares. at least the car looks better

Lol, u guys have funny reply.
Oh, can we beat rsx-s and eclipse or 330 ci in straight line?

I owned an 2g Eclipse and a 330ci before and I can tell you that it wouldn't be too hard to beat either of them. Both of them were autos tho.

we've never had problems beating the RSX-S so far. ive definitely never killed one, but ive always finished ahead.

barely lost to the 06 eclipse, and lost by a few car lengths to the 350z.



Race one w/ the mods i listen in my 1st post, thats good for mid 13's

The truth is never.

That's why this forum doesn't have a street encounter section :D

^^ no because our cars are to slow to beat anything worth actually racing..

Hey, i just went out to the tracks at streets of willow, really technical course, i smoked a gutted out fixed up 350z with full suspension straight pipe and all, i thought i was good..... but then i got smoke by a stock 4 door 2004 4 clyn. accord, i figured that none of this means anything up against a good driver. this is a true story, if u think this is a joke, check redline events website. the accrod is going out again in sept, race him if u think ur good, u gonna find a surprise. my friend in his 2004 m3 with smg, found out the same thing i did, a good driver can take out a fast car, pretty easy. so if u wanna compair cars, u better take some driving lessions first. :p

^^ no because our cars are to slow to beat anything worth actually racing..

Wrong again. The moderators just do not condone discussion about street racing and "kills" on here. We're a more mature crowd than that.

But let me tell you a little story about what happened with a G35 Coupe and my RX-8 last week... :rolleyes:

^^ im jsut messing around hey how did you kno i raced my buddys G =) loll

Well it depends on the track really. I set up this really tight course that runs from my garage to the end of the drive way and you'd be suprised what I have killed so far.

1. 911s
2. new z06
3. 05 mustang

and that's with my 10 speed bike no less.

The kicker is the turn in the garage, they have to make a 3 point turn and try to miss all the crap I have stored in there, I just wip it around no problem. :p

The kid on the 06 bigwheel did give me a pretty good run though but I still edged him out at the end.

The RX-8 and 350Z are dead even at turnpike speeds. I was as surprised as he was [350Z] that we were so evenly matched :eek: . Both maunal trans, intakes and exhausts, but I had the RB flywheel.

You hear it all the time, "the RX-8 is slow...", that I almost believed it. Maybe my driving skills were better than the 350Z :confused: . It was pretty early in the morning, so the roads were clear and seemed safe from...

Once the RX-8 gets going it really is competitive. After 40 miles of our "testing" the 350Z guy gave me a thumbs up :cool:. Looks like there is AT LEAST one 350Z owner, from experience, that will give us some props.

The 05' rxs-S have stock Type-R pistons , exhaust, and if im not mistaking the Final drive is the same as the type-R

The 05 doesnt use the same K20A2 engine it uses the K20Z1 engine now on the 05s

basicly the new rsx-s w/ I/RH/EX can beat stocks s2ks..


put some IPS K2 Cams on it and Hondata K-pro and a flywheel...you have a very very quick RSX..


I wanted that car so bad untill i found the insurance was going to rape my ass...

the typeR has 11.5:1 compression the 02-04 rsxS has 11:1 and the 05 rsxS has 11.1:1, the type R has 220hp the 02-04 has 200hp and the 05 has 210. not much changed from 02-04 to the 05 other than the .1 increase in comp ratio and the new ECU tune (cant be reflashed). I have a friend with a stock 05 and my girlfriend has a 03 with CAI, VFACII (street tuned w/ wideband) and motor mounts (better launch) the 05 dynos 182whp and my girlfriends 03 does 210whp, I beat the 05 on the open (straight) highway and keep up nose to nose with the 03 untill about 130 where i can start to pull on her.

I will agree that the rsxS does better with mods than the 8 and can be made very fast for pretty cheap, my girlfriend is going to throw the whole toda catalog at her car and then doing a full dyno tune, to get about 280whp. NA.

Ive seen many stock S2k's beat up on rsxS with I/H/E from a roll, and esp from a launch.

sell the 8 and get a used EVO/ STI/z06/M3/Cobra and then u'll be a 350Z killer. :cool:

Just test drove a 350Z today to look more into what the competition was like. The car is fast, 0-60 is definitely faster than the RX-8!

The car felt so crude and rattley as though I was driving a lowered truck and could feel most of the imperfections in the road. The handling felt like I had to power slide the chassis to get it to move around, you more like glide the car through turns than drive through them.

The shifter was notchy and vague, and the engine power felt like an on-off switch. I couldn't shift the 350Z fast enough since it revved too quickly to redline. All I was thinking was CAMARO or TRANS AM, this is definitely an American muscle car! No Jinba Ittai whatsoever...

When I slid back into my RX-8, there was a definite difference in chassis balance and refinement/smoothness/connectedness, and it felt just a fast, except with 0-60. Now I understand why Car and Driver, Road and Track, Edmunds and Motortrend consistently give the RX-8 nods over the 350Z.

On the way back home an Acura TL wanted to play but I left it in the dust around some "S" bends in the highway. When I glanced back to see how far off the TL was I could see the car oversteer dangerously about ten car lengths behind me, but the driver managed to keep control. Scary for me to see, I imagine the TL driver was making a burnout somewhere other than his tires on the tarmac. The TL quit after that. :cool:

Well it is sad right now but hp and tq numbers are rising for the 8. The ptp turbo sounds like a good bet when it comes out. With that 8s will be doing over 300 whp and 250 lbft of tq i believe. That should level out the playing field some and atleast give us much more of a chance. Most z and 8 owners alike dont have FI so if you do get the ptp or other FI you will should be able to hold your own. but if you cant then "take em to the twisties"...jk. I get harrassed by G35s more than Zs which is interesting because the G35 is slower than the 8 and the Z.

The 2006 models forward will all have 300 ponies, so it's going to take a much bigger Turbo than the GReddy to run one of those down in the straits. At a track, a good RX-8 driver could beat a lesser Z driver just about every time. Equal drivers, I think it comes down to the track. In any case, the Z isn't really slower in the turns than the 8, its just much harder to drive to its limits, so skill is going to make the difference there.

If the Z is running a twin turbo kit, then there is no competition at all. If your pleasure is speed than the Z is your car. If your looking for something a little more well rounded for the everyday commute the 8 is the better car.

Greddy is weak but with the interceptor-x or the bigger turbo kits like PTP and SFR that put out 280+ to the wheels should do some damage to your average z even if it has 300bhp. The PTP kit will have over 300 to the wheels! however if your unlucky enough to find one of those turbo zs it might not be fun. i have only ever seen one where i live and it was actually a G35 and i live in Atlanta so we are not short on zs or G35s.

Well it is sad right now but hp and tq numbers are rising for the 8. The ptp turbo sounds like a good bet when it comes out. With that 8s will be doing over 300 whp and 250 lbft of tq i believe. That should level out the playing field some and atleast give us much more of a chance. Most z and 8 owners alike dont have FI so if you do get the ptp or other FI you will should be able to hold your own. but if you cant then "take em to the twisties"...jk. I get harrassed by G35s more than Zs which is interesting because the G35 is slower than the 8 and the Z.

I would be careful there with saying the G35 is slower than the 8. If I'm not mistaken the coupe version has 300 ponies, which would probably make it a little faster than the 8 in the straits.

Thats true i forgot they got the power upgrade not too long ago.

its just going to take time to get some serious power. People have been tuning piston engines for a long time. there are much less people tuning rotaries and the renesis is not exactly like the old rotaries anyway. Hopefully it wont take too long though because if it does the next gen skyline and possible supras and such will own us.

I actually ripped through a winding road @ around 70 mph...and little did I know that there was an Audi A6 3.0 being test driven behind me that drove through the winding road at a high speed right after I had, and I watched my rear view mirror and saw thme execute the same road almost effortlessly. I was pretty impressed.

Of course there's also another part to this story but I won't post it..don't want to piss off the mods.


The 350Z isn't the only thing out there that you should be worried about. Lots of sedans now have really impressive performance.
Then again...most A6 drivers won't be speeding through turns the way we do anyway. But let me just say that if you ever see one speeding by and you to catch up...don't be surprised when you can't.

the 2005 g35 coupe is actually not statistically any faster in 0-60 or quarter mile than before when it was 280hp. its just got stronger internals and higher redline at 7k rpm instead of 6500, better top end, at the cost of 10 lb-ft of torque. its faster on the track but dosnt show in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The new 300hp Zs arnt faster than the old Zs either in straightline. just beware both Z/G has a much better pull up top now. FYI the 2005 G35 sedan 6mt is now also 298hp up from 260.

the 03-04 G35 has always been faster than the rx8 though, best mag 0-60 time from C&D is 5.5 seconds, and usually gets mid to high 5 seconds, while best for rx8 is 5.9 from C&D and usually gets low to mid 6 seconds from magazines. G35 coupe has better hp/weight ratio as well as torque/weight ratio. BMI drivers was able to take corners faster in the skyline than the rx8 in the rotory reborn video. I dont drive competitively, only for fun, so It means very little to me. as far as handling goes, I prefer the lighter feeling of the rx8 handling over the the heavier Z/G.

With mazda speed parts, the rx8 can corner much better competitively. The biggest weakness reguarding the rx8's already exceptional handling is due to the relatively softer suspension, which is prone to excess body roll during cornering. The stiffer mazdaspeed suspension really helps it a lot and takes the rx-8 to a whole new level at the expense of normal everyday driving comfort, which the stock rx-8 excels at over the Z and s2000. :) and for us regular people who dosnt drive around the track compeitively, everyday driving comfort is rather important.

the fact that a rx8 owner didnt get a s2k or EVO or STI and got the rx8 instead indicates that he/she values other things such as looks, refinement, utility over those hardcore performance machines. so why would you wanna go out there and race 350z or anything for that matter? I think street drag racing is kind of pointless. theres always someone faster and performs better out there. just drive your rx8 and have fun with it! :) otherwise get a cobra or something, because IMHO rx8 and 350z and g35 are all pretty slow in the straightline in terms of performance cars

The RX-8 and 350Z are dead even at turnpike speeds. I was as surprised as he was [350Z] that we were so evenly matched :eek: . Both maunal trans, intakes and exhausts, but I had the RB flywheel.

You hear it all the time, "the RX-8 is slow...", that I almost believed it. Maybe my driving skills were better than the 350Z :confused: . It was pretty early in the morning, so the roads were clear and seemed safe from...

Once the RX-8 gets going it really is competitive. After 40 miles of our "testing" the 350Z guy gave me a thumbs up :cool:. Looks like there is AT LEAST one 350Z owner, from experience, that will give us some props.

Don't mean to rain on your parade but I find all that hard to believe.

Video of an RX8 against a Z :

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=8B330950-D682-425C-8085-DE191F5475AE

Even if the Z was 0.3 seconds slower, it will still put buslengths on the 8.

the typeR has 11.5:1 compression the 02-04 rsxS has 11:1 and the 05 rsxS has 11.1:1, the type R has 220hp the 02-04 has 200hp and the 05 has 210. not much changed from 02-04 to the 05 other than the .1 increase in comp ratio and the new ECU tune (cant be reflashed). I have a friend with a stock 05 and my girlfriend has a 03 with CAI, VFACII (street tuned w/ wideband) and motor mounts (better launch) the 05 dynos 182whp and my girlfriends 03 does 210whp, I beat the 05 on the open (straight) highway and keep up nose to nose with the 03 untill about 130 where i can start to pull on her.

I will agree that the rsxS does better with mods than the 8 and can be made very fast for pretty cheap, my girlfriend is going to throw the whole toda catalog at her car and then doing a full dyno tune, to get about 280whp. NA.

Ive seen many stock S2k's beat up on rsxS with I/H/E from a roll, and esp from a launch.






Impossible to get 280WHP from the RXS Type-S using todas system. The 02-04 RSX"S dyno around 165-175whp STOCK the new 05s Dyno at 180whp stock,


If you get a Hytech kit for the RSX which costs alot of money You make 300whp with an 10kredline, S2000 DOES not respond to mods AT ALL You would need to spend 10,000 atleast to make the car run low mid 13's


Friend of mine spent ALOT of money on his S2k , He did ITBS, Headers,Intake , exhaust,flywheel, he would normaly get 13.8 13.9 HE HIT 13.7 once Stock S2ks WOuld hit 13.9 with a good driver


With the s2k you have another alternative, Gears ( Final drive ) This costs about 1k installed this with a flywheel, you would be able to run with M3's S2k with gears beats a stock s2k a bus. Basicly running around 13.3 / 13.4


Back to the RSX



Intake, Race headers , Exhaust, ITBS ( individual throttle bodies ) IPS k2 cams , enjo MMs type-r valves , Toda intake manifold , type-R pistons (stock w/ 05s) , flywheel, Short shifter, oh and lets not forget Type-R Final drive and most important mod of all Honata K-Pro , Tune this car right and your an N/A Champ!


estimate of WHP id saying 235WHP N/A



low 13's =)s w/ some drag radials if you could drive high 12's



iv seen some ppl hit a consistent 12's N/a w/ some weight reduction.




I love hondas :)

Video of an RX8 against a Z :

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=8B330950-D682-425C-8085-DE191F5475AE

Even if the Z was 0.3 seconds slower, it will still put buslengths on the 8.

thats because we dont have as much high end, If our cars had more High end and didnt loose HP pass 7800k rpm im sure we would do better not saying win, but better...

Wow I had no idea that car was so much faster than the 8. I didn't have any sound, was there any modifications done to the Z? If not, Mazda has some work to do, because you can't be that much slower than your biggest competitor when your selling sports cars, even if the car is more refined.

Z killer?

I'd be happy if I could kill a minivan.......

Impossible to get 280WHP from the RXS Type-S using todas system. The 02-04 RSX"S dyno around 165-175whp STOCK the new 05s Dyno at 180whp stock,

while it will not be cheap it is not impossible, just looking at some of the numbers : her RSX (03 typeS) did 5 base line runs at 174-176hp (all same day, same conditions) With her CAI she saw a gain to around 184 if I remeber corectly. We also added the motor mounts at the same time, that didnt give us power but helped with launch.

With that setup, about 185ish WHP she ran a 14.4@91 I think, then we changed out to the old Falken asenis sport tires and get a 14.3@93. With a street tune on the less than stellar VFACII we got ~192whp and gave us a 14.2@95 (really helps on the top end pull thru 3rd).

With the addition of race header and catback, along with a retune of the VFACII (on dyno) we are planing to see about 210whp. and hopefully we cna get close to 14 flat.

The TODA cam kit (new cams, springs/retainers, header, catback, intake) is getting cars around 230whp.

We plan to combind that with built internals and the 11.5:1 compression pistons, all balanced and blueprinted together, match that to the toda head gasket that will bring the compression close to 12:1.

At that point we NEED to go with a stand alone ECU, since the piggyback/reflash wont cut it or give us the ultimate power from the mods.

We will tune the car for 98* gas, that should give us right around 250hp...near the flow limits of the stock intake manifold/head.

Then we will be going to a ITB setup with a fully worked head (ports, valves, ect) that along with things like flywheel, syn fluids, plugs, wires, coil packs, injectors and ECU full tune should get usnear our 280whp goal (about 320 cranh HP or 160hp per liter).

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Im estimating 12k ish for all the parts/dyno runs and tuning we can do almost all the work in house. Money well spent? To each his own.

It wont be cheap and it wont be easy but its out ultimate goal, although when you combind the weight savings on the car from changing some of the parts out, with the additional power, I think this car will be quite fast and more than enough with 250whp. So as for how far we really go, i dunno....we have a plan but might stop along the way, due to cost or just cause well get to a point that the car feels good and we are happy.

Keep in mind we are mixing and matching parts to try and get the best parts of each kind on the market. but if you were to order ALL the toda parts (some dont work together such as the pistons and stock cams) you would basicaly be building pretty close to a TODA race engine, and their engine make INCREDIBLE power, given the displace ment. our goal is not to build a race engine, as we will still street drive the car, obviously the extent we are modifying the drivetrain, the car wont be as reliable as stock but will be drivable (not a daily driver, weekend/track car) and will have the service dont at home at much closer intervals.


If you get a Hytech kit for the RSX which costs alot of money You make 300whp with an 10kredline, S2000 DOES not respond to mods AT ALL You would need to spend 10,000 atleast to make the car run low mid 13's

right, i totaly agree, all the basic bolt ons will net you maby 10whp. Not much, with a perfect launch you MIGHT drop .1 ET or gain 1 or 2 mph trap. The car already runs high 13's stock (s2k) I was agreeing when i said that Ive seen STOCK s2k's beat up on I/H/E RSXs (just the botl ons, no tune). Case they are both putting down about the same power (210-220whp) and they are very similar weight (2800-2900ish) but the s2k has the drivetrain advantage (RWD). part for part the RSX could be made to beat a s2k, although neither of them is really a drag car....but we wont get into that argument.



Friend of mine spent ALOT of money on his S2k , He did ITBS, Headers,Intake , exhaust,flywheel, he would normaly get 13.8 13.9 HE HIT 13.7 once Stock S2ks WOuld hit 13.9 with a good driver again i totaly agree, the s2k is a high 13 car, but JUST barely. The fastest ive seen 'stock' is 13.8x@xxx, the only things this car had done was sticky tires (DOT legal but they were basicaly treaded drag tires, the BFG's i think) and the cam sensor had been wired so the car was always in VTEC cam profile. but there was no tuning or bolt ons. It was faily slow off the line, but picked up quite a bit come the 1/8th mile.



With the s2k you have another alternative, Gears ( Final drive ) This costs about 1k installed this with a flywheel, you would be able to run with M3's S2k with gears beats a stock s2k a bus. Basicly running around 13.3 / 13.4

Again totaly agree, The above bolt ons with gearing can and will net a good driver low 13's NA.




Back to the RSX
Intake, Race headers , Exhaust, ITBS ( individual throttle bodies ) IPS k2 cams , enjo MMs type-r valves , Toda intake manifold , type-R pistons (stock w/ 05s) , flywheel, Short shifter, oh and lets not forget Type-R Final drive and most important mod of all Honata K-Pro , Tune this car right and your an N/A Champ!

i posted my plans above, but will say to you, the 02-04 (US Spec, not sure on others) is 11:1 comp ratio, the Type R is 11.5:1, making 200/220 hp respectivley. The 05 (US Spec) got a bump of .1 to make it 11.1:1 comp ratio, this along with some ECU tuning gave the car 210hp (to the 220 or the typeR) please link to any information that says differently. The type S is close to the type R but its not the same car (as some think) there is a differnt suspension, exhaust, ecu, some internals, ect ,ect.


estimate of WHP id saying 235WHP N/A

low 13's =)s w/ some drag radials if you could drive high 12's

iv seen some ppl hit a consistent 12's N/a w/ some weight reduction.

I love hondas :)

I think the above is talking about the rsxS, i have no doubt the car could be made to hit high/mid 13's with good (street legal) tires and a LSD, considering we are at 14.2@95 with just Injen CAI, VFACII tuned, motor mounts and Falken tires. This is the car with FULL stock weight (only thing we have that is differnt than how the car is run on the street is an infinity BASSLINK sub in the back hatch area, about !25lbs. We did these dyno runs with the back seat, spare tire, jack, pass seat all STILL in the car, unlike others. With a few more bolt ons we plan to see closer to 14 flat and could go lower if we lose some weight out of the car, but we want to see how fast the car can CONSITENLY be with the same trim its run on the street. Since this isnt a drag only car, we want to run on sticky tires that are not only street legal, but have a nice firm side wall as the car has a full suspenion and sees active road course duty. So the falkens were a good choice.

We could get the car faster with out adding much more power, but we like to rune for good midrange and top end, rather than off the line grunt. If we tuned for a little bit more power from a stop we could get a faster launch/60' and improve out ET. We mostly do the drag racing to get the trap speeds, since that is what shows you your power, not ET.

We love the car and how easy it is to mod, while we use the drag stip to see the power we can make at work, the car (and our hearts) are in road course racing. Also lets face it, its a little 2L 4 banger, not a stump puller v8, it dosent really belong on the drag stip...lol :p

I also love honda, but my heart is in mazda!

sorry for the long run on post, or if I say the same thing over and over, the above post was written bit by bit over an hour, since im here at work.

Video of an RX8 against a Z :

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=8B330950-D682-425C-8085-DE191F5475AE

Even if the Z was 0.3 seconds slower, it will still put buslengths on the 8.

ARE you a fool? I've raced quite a few 350's and none of them pulled like that on me. There is no fvckn way. I know you're a nissan fanboi but the 350z and g35 are slow too! You want to see bus lengths? go race an m3 in a straight. When I'm in my buddies M3, all the 350/g35's I see drive like my grandma when they see the M. Yes, the 8 is slow in a straight but so is the 350z/g35 by todays standards.

Z killer?

I'd be happy if I could kill a minivan.......

Thats classic. I've gotten dusted off by vans, it was pretty sad.

You want to see bus lengths? go race an m3 in a straight. When I'm in my buddies M3, all the 350/g35's I see drive like my grandma when they see the M.

I sense some jealous hating here :p

I sense some jealous hating here :p

who's jealous? I am far from jealous my friend. I'm just annoyed when ppl come on here and brag about how fast a 14 second car is. "news flash" the rx8 and 350z are both 14 second cars. so what if one is high 14 and the other is low 14. Both cars are still slow.

correction, the G35c is a low 14s car that can get high 13s on a good day, 350z can easily run high 13s. the Z is slow compared to cars like M3 that starts almost 2x as much and thats how its supposed to be. without relative price, Its easy to go by your logic and call any car slow. I can say, M3s are slow, ferrari ENZO can rape it anyday. Or Ferrari ENZO is slow, F1 circuit cars can kill it.

everything is relative, and price is an important factor, and rx8 and Z falls into the same price category. thats why people compare them? RX8 isnt about straightline neways, so i dont see why anyone would get pissed over people saying 350z is faster. I personally would not call a car thats faster than my car slow.

Actually I would argue that a slightly used 2001-2 M3 is the better buy when 350/g35 shopping. All I am saying is that the 350z's speed is nothing to be proud of. wow, 13.9 I stand corrected.....lol

well i think they can be proud of their 13.9, its a repectable time for the price. and a slightly used 2001-2 M3 is a better buy than a rx8 too when rx8 shopping since its in the same price range as the Z. i guess you must feel bad that you got a rx8 instead of a used M3 huh?

you just sound kind of bitter to me, trying to put down another car that does something better than your car. there are owners that are real happy about their car and love their car, and there are owners that regret buying their car and feel the need to put down other cars that does something better in order to justify their decision. real car lovers appreciates all cars for what they are and respect them for what they are.

and FYI my dad being a huge bmw fan has a 2002 E46 M3 that was bought in may, they go for mid to high 30ks used, not exactly the same price range as the Z or rx8. M3s dont loose 1/2 of their value in 3 years.

What it's matter? You really want to know the truth? Park a M3, 350Z, and a RX-8 together and then ask a girl (who knows nothing about cars) which she would take. 9 out of 10 will pick the 8. What's my point? Well, thats just it... 9 out of 10 people in the US don't know anything about cars and base their opinions on looks only. So why not have the best looking one when thats all most people see anyway?

To me, the RX-8 is drop dead sexy and I wouldn't want it any other way.

What it's matter? You really want to know the truth? Park a M3, 350Z, and a RX-8 together and then ask a girl (who knows nothing about cars) which she would take. 9 out of 10 will pick the 8. What's my point? Well, thats just it... 9 out of 10 people in the US don't know anything about cars and base their opinions on looks only. So why not have the best looking one when thats all most people see anyway?

To me, the RX-8 is drop dead sexy and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Why is it that every RX-8 owner thinks its the best looking car, while just about everyone else thinks its a bit weird looking?

The 05' rxs-S have stock Type-R pistons , exhaust, and if im not mistaking the Final drive is the same as the type-R

The 05 doesnt use the same K20A2 engine it uses the K20Z1 engine now on the 05s

basicly the new rsx-s w/ I/RH/EX can beat stocks s2ks..


put some IPS K2 Cams on it and Hondata K-pro and a flywheel...you have a very very quick RSX..


I wanted that car so bad untill i found the insurance was going to rape my ass...

but it's still fwd though right? (ugh)

Playdoh43----I am only comparing the m3 to the 350/g35 because they are simular in the way they execute their power. I could have bought a new m3 if I wanted but I liked how the 8 handled and how it connects the driver to the road without hurting the everyday comfort that I needed in a daily driver. I have no regrets about buying the 8 over the 350z,m3,g35,sti and numerous other cars I testdrove before buying. My point is that showing off how 350z/g35 can beat an 8 in the straights is just old news and is not worth mentioning. 13.9 is nothing to be excited about playdoh43 as I've seen plenty of civics beating 350z/g35 at the track. Besides, the blistering 13.9 that the 350z/g35 does, they pretty much suck at everything else.

but it's still fwd though right? (ugh)

corect, and the RSX in america both base and TypeS have NO lsd... :(

if anyone think the rx8 can beat a 350z or g handily in the twisties they're in for a rude awakening one day, after racing the skyline coupe and RX8 around tsukuba circuit, professional BMI drivers indicated that the skyline coupe is not only faster on the straights, it takes corner faster too. g coupe also have better skidpad and slalom numbers than rx8.
so they actually dont suck at everything else IMO. Does that mean the RX8 sucks to me? No, theres plenty of things that RX8 is better at, such as its ability to connect the driver to the road and everyday comfort and to some, its aggressive look amongs many other things thats why its beats the 350z in serveral magazine comparisons.

youre certainly entitled to your oppinion dude, if it makes you feel better by putting down other cars then I guess more power to ya. this thread is about relative speed between 350z and rx8 and what mods to put on the rx8 to beat a 350z. if u dont like reading about 350z being faster its real easy to stay away from the thread :)

if anyone think the rx8 can beat a 350z or g handily in the twisties they're in for a rude awakening one day, after racing the skyline coupe and RX8 around tsukuba circuit, professional BMI drivers indicated that the skyline coupe is not only faster on the straights, it takes corner faster too. g coupe also have better skidpad and slalom numbers than rx8.
so they actually dont suck at everything else IMO. Does that mean the RX8 sucks to me? No, theres plenty of things that RX8 is better at, such as its ability to connect the driver to the road and everyday comfort and to some, its aggressive look amongs many other things thats why its beats the 350z in serveral magazine comparisons.

youre certainly entitled to your oppinion dude, if it makes you feel better by putting down other cars then I guess more power to ya. It just sounds ignorant and bitter and funny to me.


First off you're the one that looks bitter. I originally responded to Shiri, yet you decided to exploit your fanboi skills. Have you driven both cars? I have and I'll tell you that the 350z has a much harder stock suspension then the 8. Think what ever you want but the 8 outhandles the 350z even in stock form. show me where it has a better skidpad. From what I have seen they are equal. Remember, tires alone can account for discrepencies with skidpad #s.

Secondly, the 350z has a very cheap feel to it and it rattles like no tomorrow. Also, go find any nissan thats body lines up properly. Most fenders are not flush with the hood ect. This among other things just show how much margin of error the nissan quality control team has.

Finally, This is all based on my opinion and it is backed by my experiences with nissan. I am not a fan of nissan and I personally think that if the 350z was suppose to be the successor of the 300zx, They did a terrible job.

ARE you a fool? I've raced quite a few 350's and none of them pulled like that on me. There is no fvckn way. I know you're a nissan fanboi but the 350z and g35 are slow too! You want to see bus lengths? go race an m3 in a straight. When I'm in my buddies M3, all the 350/g35's I see drive like my grandma when they see the M. Yes, the 8 is slow in a straight but so is the 350z/g35 by todays standards.

You ran a poor driver then if he's only putting car lengths :

Fastest all motor 350z (street tyres) - 13.1 @ 107mph

Fastest 350z - 8.33 @ 176mph

What has the 8 done?

if anyone think the rx8 can beat a 350z or g handily in the twisties they're in for a rude awakening one day, after racing the skyline coupe and RX8 around tsukuba circuit, professional BMI drivers indicated that the skyline coupe is not only faster on the straights, it takes corner faster too. g coupe also have better skidpad and slalom numbers than rx8.
so they actually dont suck at everything else IMO. Does that mean the RX8 sucks to me? No, theres plenty of things that RX8 is better at, such as its ability to connect the driver to the road and everyday comfort and to some, its aggressive look amongs many other things thats why its beats the 350z in serveral magazine comparisons.

youre certainly entitled to your oppinion dude, if it makes you feel better by putting down other cars then I guess more power to ya. this thread is about relative speed between 350z and rx8 and what mods to put on the rx8 to beat a 350z. if u dont like reading about 350z being faster its real easy to stay away from the thread :)

Well said! The Skyline is actually a GT (just like the M3) so cornering is not high on its priority list, yet it still does pretty well.

They are all great cars, just that some of them respond really well to mods and are able to go a lot faster than everybody else :D

You ran a poor driver then if he's only putting car lengths :

Fastest all motor 350z (street tyres) - 13.1 @ 107mph

Fastest 350z - 8.33 @ 176mph

What has the 8 done?

The 8 has done better in every comparison test I have read.

Am I suppose to be impressed with straight line performance? If I was, there are better options out there that are cheaper and faster. I guess that's why they're so many 350z's flying out of the showrooms.

You ran a poor driver then if he's only putting car lengths :

Fastest all motor 350z (street tyres) - 13.1 @ 107mph

Fastest 350z - 8.33 @ 176mph

What has the 8 done?
I'm pretty sure the 8 has done a 6 second quarter, with a driver by the name Abel Ibarra :D But I am pretty sure it has totally different internals and maybe a different engine. What about that z? Stock internals? Not insulting you, I'm just curious.

What's the big deal? 2 very nice, but very different cars. Obviously one is going to be faster than the other, is that really something to get so riled up about?

or if you want a 350z killer, get a 04+ Cobra, those things are retarded fast in a straight line, and more power is just a pulley switch away...

I not going to bother reposting the link, but the Top Gear video that had the 8, (you know, the video that influenced many people on this board to purchase the 8) had the 350, M3 and the 8 as the same times on the track. They used the same driver for each car. He takes several runs to learn what the car can do.

As far as "350 killer". Killz are for kidz. Real men race on a track.

- Cesar -

sell the 8 and get a used EVO/ STI/z06/M3/Cobra and then u'll be a 350Z killer. :cool:

evo is not a stoplight car. off boost is a POS brick car. Anything out there can beat it.

I not going to bother reposting the link, but the Top Gear video that had the 8, (you know, the video that influenced many people on this board to purchase the 8) had the 350, M3 and the 8 as the same times on the track. They used the same driver for each car. He takes several runs to learn what the car can do.

As far as "350 killer". Killz are for kidz. Real men race on a track.

- Cesar -

Im glad you don't post it, because as has been discussed millions of times before, Top Gears lap times are for entertainment ONLY. The environment and lap quality is far to uncontrolled to think you could gather any useful performance comparisons from it.

evo is not a stoplight car. off boost is a POS brick car. Anything out there can beat it.
I hope you're just joking. The Evo can pull the 0-60 significantly faster than the 350Z. Just do a minor clutch drop?

Im glad you don't post it, because as has been discussed millions of times before, Top Gears lap times are for entertainment ONLY. The environment and lap quality is far to uncontrolled to think you could gather any useful performance comparisons from it.
Nah, it does mean something. But people take it to mean that the 8 is as fast as the M3 and the 350Z. Instead it just means "under some conditions the rx-8 can be as fast as the m3 and 350z". but as most of us know in most conditions the m3 and 350Z are faster than the rx-8. :)

It doesn't mean in some conditions though. THey were in different conditions, and we have no idea about the quality of each lap.

sell the 8 and get a used EVO/ STI/z06/M3/Cobra and then u'll be a 350Z killer. :cool:

Dont sell the 8. Enjoy it everyday. And dont listen to the people that say the 8 is slow. Put in some NA mods if you really dont think the car is fast enough (The revi i got is awesome). Next time someone drives by you in a 350z or something of the like just remember ur driving the only production car with a rotary. I just plain dont think people should be complaining about straight line performance.

rx8 = 160 torque
350z = 260 or 270

2 guesses as to who the winner will be

Well all I can add to this in saying that the 280hp G35 is faster once rolling (highway) then the RX8. I still have nightmares about it. I remember looking at full stats, ranging from 0 to 30 to 0 to 130, and it made sense why this would happen., as that car has better numbers after 100mph. The G35 just has great rolling power, and that makes the extra weight matter less, as you start moving faster. Flame on if you must, but this discovery doesn't take away from RX8, but I do understand those who feel need to defend it, and want to believe it's faster then a G35. I believe that to be very untrue. I wish people would stop calling the RX8 faster. You don't have to call it slower, but at least don't be totally in denial, and call the RX8 just as fast, if you must defend it. :)

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