Wow, JPM giving it up on the 3rd to last lap? Poor Kimi, his teammate really let him down in that points race, same thing with the team overall!

it is sad to see some of the fastest cars and fastest drivers get screwed but thats racing.

Wow, JPM giving it up on the 3rd to last lap? Poor Kimi, his teammate really let him down in that points race, same thing with the team overall!
When did you get a chance to see the race? Weren't you at the race track? :D
I saw you and your car there. I have it on Tivo and will be watching it tonite.

Lol, the wonders of Tivo right?I also finished watching the ALMS race, that was a wicked fire they had right by the pit entrance!

Lol, the wonders of Tivo right?I also finished watching the ALMS race, that was a wicked fire they had right by the pit entrance!
I thought I heard something about a fire. I guess that was why the car was retired and not fixed. :(

Wow, JPM giving it up on the 3rd to last lap? Poor Kimi, his teammate really let him down in that points race, same thing with the team overall!



Poor Michael Schumacher and the great Ferrari!

Not the mazda, one of the Miracle Motorsports Lolas has the whole back end engulfed in flames coming up the turn before the front straight.

Poor schumacher? He was his own worst enemy the whole weekend.

I think MS got what he deserved. I think he is a great driver but he always comes with those maneuvers. This is why RB is leaving Ferrari. He is tired of it.

I like what MW did, he fought not to loose the position.

I agree with you about Reubens, but I think he is deluding himself to think that he can be a world champ, I don't think he's good enough. But it was good to see both the Red Bull cars in the points, after that horrible outing they had at the hungaroring. Are you referring to Mark Webber? That whole Williams F1 team had a horrific day, I wonder if they ever figured out what happened to the rear tyres.

I agree with you. I always said RB is not aggressive enough; this is why I think he is not good enough.

Every time I think about the USGP (when MS was coming out of the pits) and what MS did to RB in turn one I GO INSANE! Where's the respect for other drivers? Specially your team mate that has sacrificed so much (in my opinion)

MS only cares about HIMSELF and noone else!! He definitely got what he deserved!

If JPM would have done this manuever he would have been black flagged but since it was MS he wasn't even penalized...

New track.. he could not compete against the others especially in that turn with 4 apexes!!

Also JPM should know better.. remember what happened to him in Brazil 2 years ago? He braked and Vastappen (I guess) ran into him taking him off the lead.

As far as Alonso.. Vamos Alonso.. Tu seras el campeon mundial! :) Go Alonso!

Now with Kimi... he is starting to get this big time attitude and I guess it's all over his head.

Can't wait for Monza... I don't think Ferrari's will win that one.

My 2 cents,
Carlos

Yes any other driver could have been black flagged, not MS. Alonso is doing great and Kimi is doing great also. The big attitude is in Alonso's head as well. They are doing great, this is the first time they are doing this great and it may be difficult not to get so excited I guess.

What makes you think that about Kimi and Alonso? They both seem like they are just whiteknuckling it and trying to win for their teams and themselves.

What I said about them (mainly Alonso) is based on conversations (between Alonso and Renault's team manager) broadcasted by SpeedTV. Alonso was very demanding that he should have preference or an advantage if you will over Fisichella since Alonso was the one winning almost every race. One example (commented on SpeedTV yesterday) was when Alonso asked the team's manager to order Fisichella to let him pass (this was a few races ago). Then they commented about the Renault team having to calm Alonso down when he did not finished first and so forth... Yesterday's move (Fisichella allowing Alonso to pass) was may be (like they said) a tactical move. It was obvious that Alonso had a better car.

Granted, all of them want to win and there's nothing wrong with that. This year's championship is very exciting.

I agree with you about the championship being very exciting, however I can see where Alonso would feel like the team owes him something, he has given them the lead in Constructor's Championship, whilst Fizze hasnt done much of anything this year other than Melbourne. But you are right, yesterday Alonso was much faster than Giancarlo.

Michael owns almost every F-1 record, he deserves respect.
He is perhaps the best that ever was (or is).
Ferrari has been red hot, not this year, call it tires or????

I think its equal parts tire and car. Neither have been all that impressive on their own, but throw em together you have problems.

its the tires for sure. MS i believe is still a great driver and RB most likely is getting kicked off of Ferrari rather then leaving willfully IMO. RB has been doing HORRIBLY even compared to MS.

I would love to see the Japanese cars step it up a bit. BAR and Toyota should be amazing next year, and the new BMW team is going to have a presence as well.

Anyone know much about the changes that are going on next year regarding the new engines and regulations? 19k revs? FIA going bye bye?

that was a great race. usually it's a blow out in the last 10 laps or so. I can't believe that MS botched it on lap traffic. That kind of sucks that he blew the record/tradition of Ferrari always having won at every inagural race at a track.

Ummm, Kimi did have a pretty decent lead, certainly not a blowout, but I would hesitate to say the lead was contested at all during the latter half of the race.

From what I have heard they are running V8's or rev limited v10's. The v8 can rev in excess of 19k, I even heard 21k during one of the races. As to the FIA thing, I don't know enought to make a opinion.
As far as Ms goes I really didnt think he had a chance of winning that race considering the caliber of both Kimi and Alonso, and the fact that he started 19th certainly didnt help at all.

Guys, try to be objective please. MS has "almost" every record because he had an unbeatable car for years. No question he is a good driver, as good as many others. Alonso and Kimi are proving just that, give them a good car and they will win races.

I would not say this is the case with JPM. Give him a good car and he will continue to make "stupid" mistakes. He does that all the time. I don't think he is mature enough yet.

Baller, please go back in time (may be to 1950) and check some history. MS is just getting to pass records that was established 50 years ago or so.

The changes in rules have made the sport more competitive. This is good for everyone.

Yeah, they were comparing MS to Senna, and Senna had about the same amount of victories, but had roughly a third of the GP's. So Michael has been blesssed with an juggernaut of a team and good circumstances certainly don't hurt.

Guys, try to be objective please. MS has "almost" every record because he had an unbeatable car for years. No question he is a good driver, as good as many others. Alonso and Kimi are proving just that, give them a good car and they will win races.

I would not say this is the case with JPM. Give him a good car and he will continue to make "stupid" mistakes. He does that all the time. I don't think he is mature enough yet.

Baller, please go back in time (may be to 1950) and check some history. MS is just getting to pass records that was established 50 years ago or so.

The changes in rules have made the sport more competitive. This is good for everyone.


F1 is my deal Z28, MS has had a great car for years for sure but he is also the oldest driver in F1. If he continues he will have every record in F1 history. Even with a bad car and tires and racing the worst he ever has..........he is in 3rd in points, how is that possible.....because he is the best. I understand the new V8 Ferrari will rev. to 21K and is almost as fast as the F2004.
I think F1 will be a lot of fun next year.

Michael owns almost every F-1 record, he deserves respect.
He is perhaps the best that ever was (or is).
Ferrari has been red hot, not this year, call it tires or????

MS is a great driver and very skilled, while Ferrari has been having some problems first with the car, not bringing out the new F2005 till a few races into the season, then and now with tires....I think that MS is now past his peak....its not that he is getting worse, or cant keep up with the young drivers IMO...its the fact that the sport is changing.

For many of his wins, he did what he does best.....he can crank out fast laps on command and get 10's of secs ahead of the field....I was watching a show on F1, MS driving style is unlike any other driver in the sport....he uses very little brake and controls the car thru the turns with the throtle...allowing him to be much faster on course and it shows.

Back to my point....He is very good at being able to push the car to the limit and get a great lead on the field...this allows him (in past seasons) to come in for tires and fuel and exit the pits still in the lead....then he repeats and stayes ahead of the pack....witht he sport changing this season to require the use of the same tires we saw in the begining of the season that he was using up tires (as many others were), when he adapted to conserve his tires we saw that the speed he is so famous for wasnt there as much as it had been in the past...I think this season is a big learning curve for him.

Lots of people can drive a car fast....the trick is knowing when to drive fast and when to hold back, conserve the car for when you need it.

Next season with the return of the high revving v8 as well as other new rules there sould be a lot of action.

Do slicks come back next year or is that 2008 when the take away most of the downforce?

Slicks return in 08 along with common gearboxes, electronics and brakes.

hmm, are there any plans to go back to letting em change tyres in the pits?

hmm, are there any plans to go back to letting em change tyres in the pits?


That is the plan, but is it (F1) getting to be like Nascar?

No more exotic engine materials....I guess carbs and pushrods are next.

That is the plan, but is it (F1) getting to be like Nascar?

No more exotic engine materials....I guess carbs and pushrods are next.

LOL, im glad I got to see the cars this season....be it that flawed Indy race....it was still good to see the v10 before it retires....

They just want to make it more competative.....so its less about what team has the biggest buget and more on the drivers skill...and pit strategy.....

it is starting to be like nascar...although, since most nascar fans will admit they watch for the crashes....more passing in F1 = more chances to crash. So maby they will get more viewers state-side.

People I talk to that dont like F1 say its because after the first few races of the season, you can see what teams have the best car, what drivers have the best control of the car, and call most of the races as to who will be on podium....ect.

this is somewhat true...but every race the cars have new additions....the teams are always making changes to tire compounds and looking for a better aero package...ect. Part of this is due to the fact that they setup the cars for each track, but they also just find ways to imporve the car all the time.

I would love to do R&D for a F1 team.

/quote I would love to do R&D for a F1 team /quote

Hell yeah! That would be one of the best jobs evar!

You can see who is going to be dominant and who is going to suck after a couple of races. Look at Minardi and Jordan, you can predict with pretty good results that they will either finish in the bottom 5 or retire, execpt for the fiasco at Indy. Just seems like this year it belongs to McLaren and Renault.

McLaren IMO has the best car this season, they just have trouble making it last....thats what happens when you run right on the edge. Renault has a very strong car....almost as much as McLaren, it seems Renault was able to reach that same edge but were a bit more conservative and backed off just enough to keep the car reliable.

IMO Kimi and Alanso are also very close drivers. Both 2 young guys with something to prove!

Yeah, like that suspension failure from Kimi at the German GP. The Renaults also seem to be much quicker on the starts that the McLarens.

Yeah, like that suspension failure from Kimi at the German GP. The Renaults also seem to be much quicker on the starts that the McLarens.
Kimi himself caused that problem due to flat spotting the tire. That wasn't the result of the McLaren car. McLaren's problem has been the BMW engine. They blow up real good.

Kimi himself caused that problem due to flat spotting the tire. That wasn't the result of the McLaren car. McLaren's problem has been the BMW engine. They blow up real good.


They use Mercedes Benz engines, but you are correct the flat spots that resulted in the suspension failure was indeed Kimi's fault.

The car is blistering fast, all they have to do now is match the reliability of the Renaults and they will be in good shape, all Kimi needs is one more DNF and Alonso pretty much has the championship on lock.

right 2-name cars, BAR Honda, BMW Williams, Mclaren Mercedes....there are the chassie manufacture - BAR, Williams, Mclaren....and the people who make the drivetrain...Honda, BMW, Mercedes.

There are also the companys that do all the work themselfs (chassie and drivetrain) Ferrari, Renault, ect.

They use Mercedes Benz engines, but you are correct the flat spots that resulted in the suspension failure was indeed Kimi's fault.
I just realized my mistake and rushed back. It was allready caught.