I've been in Jamaica for 3 weeks on a buisness trip. Today aug 21 is my birthday and the people that I'm working for decided to do something nice and took me to watch the rally racing. It was amazing. beeing there 6-7 feet from the cars going at 10/10.

Anyway just thght i'd share the pics.
I also have video will post soon.
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pretty sweet

sweet! :D where in jamaica is this?

Outside of Kingston on the orange farms. Its like 15-20 minutes from new kingston (downtown). Dont remember the name of the farm.
Aparently rally is really big here, they have at least 1 or 2 a month.

More pics:
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WOW.........that looks like like it'd be a blast to watch. Too bad I live in TENNESSEE!!! A WRX on the highway just doesn't have the same effect :(

yah rally is pretty much big everywhere except for the U.S.
that goes for f1, lemans, jgtc, and motogp :/
americans are more into nascar and indy ::sigh::

i hate having to wake up at 4 30 in the morning to watch f1 on speed channel!!!

Outside of Kingston on the orange farms. Its like 15-20 minutes from new kingston (downtown). Dont remember the name of the farm.
Aparently rally is really big here, they have at least 1 or 2 a month.
Dang.. i'm from there and didnt even know this happens. i need to check this out the next time I'm there. Looks like hellafun!

Finally pics of where those two ugly cars are suppose to be, on the Dirt! :p

These are actual pics of the new Rallisport game for the Xbox360.

F'ing sweet!!! i hope to be able to watch this one day soon.

Finally pics of where those two ugly cars are suppose to be, on the Dirt! :pUglier but faster than your 8 in every possible way

Excellent pics, you can never really appreciate a rally race until you actually see on in person.

Finally pics of where those two ugly cars are suppose to be, on the Dirt! :p
I wish I could say I'm surprised by this comment but I'm not. It's actually sad that as I was reading the replies I expected a comment such as this.

that is too cool
you are lucky as hell

thanks, I also have videos. If anyone is interested in hosting tham PM me, also I can send them by email if you guys like, There is one of the "ugly" car jumping while taking a turn 10/10ths from where we where standing. It just doesn't get any better than that!

F'ing sweet!!! i hope to be able to watch this one day soon.

Uglier but faster than your 8 in every possible way
You guys can say what you feel. Yes, those two are faster than my RX8. But not in every way, especially not the handling department. Plus we don't need Turbo's, Brembos, and MacPherson Struts to get fairly good performance numbers. Second, I can voice my opinion on the looks of the car if I wish. If the truth hurts its not my problem, it yours. I call those two cars "The Fast and The Ugly"!

i dont know... i'm pretty sure an STi and evo can out handle our car... on track and straight line...
sorry to burst your bubble moe.

you might call them ugly, but theyre built for rallying and aerodynamic performance.

You guys can say what you feel. Yes, those two are faster than my RX8. But not in every way, especially not the handling department. Plus we don't need Turbo's, Brembos, and MacPherson Struts to get fairly good performance numbers. Second, I can voice my opinion on the looks of the car if I wish. If the truth hurts its not my problem, it yours. I call those two cars "The Fast and The Ugly"!
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You guys can say what you feel. Yes, those two are faster than my RX8. But not in every way, especially not the handling department. Plus we don't need Turbo's, Brembos, and MacPherson Struts to get fairly good performance numbers. Second, I can voice my opinion on the looks of the car if I wish. If the truth hurts its not my problem, it yours. I call those two cars "The Fast and The Ugly"!
The evo does out handle the 8.

You do have a point. Everyone has different tastes. I personally think the EVOs and STIs look great, but i can see why others would think not.

In the end I also bought an RX-8. Personally the 8 is more suited for the way i like to drive. I would rather have a RWD versus an AWD, and to me I think the RX-8 looks better... BUT i would not diss on the Evo. It's a different car, but definetly a great car nonetheless.

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You are posting in an 8 forum. :rolleyes:

Well, i'm sure those cars in the rally tracks can easily hand the Rx8's ass on a platter simply because they're not your standard Evo, STi, Focus, etc..

You are posting in an 8 forum. :rolleyes:
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in terms of handling, the only rwd car in the price range that comes close to the EVO is S2k, but not quite there. Its not that AWD is better than RWD or anything, its just that EVO is a race tuned factory car! the thing pulls a freakin .98G! and steering response is 2nd to none, its like instantaneous. Ive heard many track guys say the Elise handles even better though, wish i get a chance to drive one soon.

Well, i'm sure those cars in the rally tracks can easily hand the Rx8's ass on a platter simply because they're not your standard Evo, STi, Focus, etc..
Well, your standard Evo, STi can easily hand the Rx8's ass on a platter too.

great another thread about this subject, as if the other 50 threads that turned into "my rx8 is better than a (insert any car name here)" werent enough

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Say what you like. You obviously are in love with EVO's so your going to have your bias opinion. Come over to my area and I'll show you how true that picture is. I bet your Asian since your the one that has that pic! Now what? I'm tired of dealing with people like you that have some much mouth over the Internet, but if it came to a face to face, you would back down in your little rat hole. Stick to your fast ugly cars. Their known for being fast and ugly. I'm yet to meet a person in REAL life(not the Internet), that think the STi or EVO is a good looking car.

The evo does out handle the 8.

You do have a point. Everyone has different tastes. I personally think the EVOs and STIs look great, but i can see why others would think not.

In the end I also bought an RX-8. Personally the 8 is more suited for the way i like to drive. I would rather have a RWD versus an AWD, and to me I think the RX-8 looks better... BUT i would not diss on the Evo. It's a different car, but definetly a great car nonetheless.Not from what I've seen. I've seen the same or very close to the same numbers on the G meter! Everyone bypasses the point of what I've made. This is one of the few cars on the market that doesn't have a Turbo, MacPherson Struts or Bembo Brakes to get fairly good numbers in a performance category. Why are so many people blinded by this?

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(P.S.- I'm going to hell...)

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(P.S.- I'm going to hell...)I'll agree with you on that. Just tired of people not giving the RX8 props for what it can actually do with out the added help of a Turbo, Brembo Brakes, an Big Engine and so on. :mad:

I'll agree with you on that. Just tired of people not giving the RX8 props for what it can actually do with out the added help of a Turbo, Brembo Brakes, an Big Engine and so on. :mad:
Props are given to the 8 for what it can do with what it has, but why does that mean that a car with better brakes/engine/turbo is inferior? Are you telling me that if Mazda offered a turbo/brembo/higher displacement option for the 8 you would just stick with the run of the mill 8 because it does ok as it is (assuming price isn't an issue)?

Sometimes you need to look through your bias and at the actual facts. Yes the RX-8 is quick and handles well, but there is NO way it will compete with an Evo/STi without SERIOUS modification. Not saying the 8 is terrible but there are better cars out there when you consider more than just looks ;)

Props are given to the 8 for what it can do with what it has, but why does that mean that a car with better brakes/engine/turbo is inferior? Are you telling me that if Mazda offered a turbo/brembo/higher displacement option for the 8 you would just stick with the run of the mill 8 because it does ok as it is (assuming price isn't an issue)?

Sometimes you need to look through your bias and at the actual facts. Yes the RX-8 is quick and handles well, but there is NO way it will compete with an Evo/STi without SERIOUS modification. Not saying the 8 is terrible but there are better cars out there when you consider more than just looks ;)
No, it's just that you and others post here on topics such as these and somehow think we 8 owners are going to give major props to those cars or something. Those are the people typical of small organs.

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Say what you like. You obviously are in love with EVO's so your going to have your bias opinion. Come over to my area and I'll show you how true that picture is. I bet your Asian since your the one that has that pic! Now what? I'm tired of dealing with people like you that have some much mouth over the Internet, but if it came to a face to face, you would back down in your little rat hole. Stick to your fast ugly cars. Their known for being fast and ugly. I'm yet to meet a person in REAL life(not the Internet), that think the STi or EVO is a good looking car.
Actually I'm a white ghuy, 6'3" and 230lbs. You must be some sort of racist though to even bring that up...or you truly do have a baby dick. You're pathetic fucko. :rolleyes:

Props are given to the 8 for what it can do with what it has, but why does that mean that a car with better brakes/engine/turbo is inferior? Are you telling me that if Mazda offered a turbo/brembo/higher displacement option for the 8 you would just stick with the run of the mill 8 because it does ok as it is (assuming price isn't an issue)?

Sometimes you need to look through your bias and at the actual facts. Yes the RX-8 is quick and handles well, but there is NO way it will compete with an Evo/STi without SERIOUS modification. Not saying the 8 is terrible but there are better cars out there when you consider more than just looks ;).

I've always given the STi and EVO props for the performance numbers they put up. I mean come on now, those two have to be the best bang for the buck! And believe me, I know an EVO or STi will hand the RX8 its ass on a Track. I am not going to tip my hat 100% because the fact remains that they need all that extra performance gear to get those numbers. I give more respect to cars that can put fairly close numbers up without all the extra performance enhancements!

As for talking about better cars out they when you consider more than looks. Yes you are correct, but why would I buy a car that I don't think is attractive? That's just stupidity. Do you wear clothes and shoes that don't look good to you? People BS all the time on here. And they lie to themselves and others! The first thing that draws you toward a women, car, clothing, shoes and so one is the looks. Said to say but its human nature!

Actually I'm a white ghuy, 6'3" and 230lbs. You must be some sort of racist though to even bring that up...or you truly do have a baby dick. You're pathetic fucko. :rolleyes:I'm racist and my wife is black. :confused: LOL Now that's funny! If I do recall correctly your the one that posted the damn pic. Don't fire shots in any form or fashion if you cant take any back!

Oh by the way, do us all a favor and stay on the Troll routes and may be better off for you!

No, it's just that you and others post here on topics such as these and somehow think we 8 owners are going to give major props to those cars or something. Those are the people typical of small organs.
Ok first off, I owned an RX-8 for over a year and a half and still managed to have respect for other cars. No one is asking for major props, but when I see someone spouting out complete garbage like so many ignorant people on here do, they need to be called on it.

Since when did liking one car mean you can't like any other car?

I'm racist and my wife is black. :confused: LOL Now that's funny! If I do recall correctly your the one that posted the damn pic. Don't fire shots in any form or fashion if you cant take any back!

Oh by the way, do us all a favor and stay on the Troll routes and may be better off for you!
Too much self disclosure Mr. Ebony & Ivory. Yes I'm a bad bad bad troll. The thing is you're the moron who hijacked this thread. It was just abso-fucking-lutely too much for us to actually discuss some Jamaican WRC photos, wasn't it? Too many of those Evos and STi's everywhere that those damn Asians drive. You're a mess bro.

Note to all: Make sure any future WRC pics you post have a photochopped version of an RX-8 in them so Cas can tell us all "cool pics" like the rest of the normal people on these boards who like all fast cars...not just the one they own.

Too much self disclosure Mr. Ebony & Ivory. Yes I'm a bad bad bad troll. The thing is you're the moron who hijacked this thread. It was just abso-fucking-lutely too much for us to actually discuss some Jamaican WRC photos, wasn't it? Too many of those Evos and STi's everywhere that those damn Asians drive. You're a mess bro.

Note to all: Make sure any future WRC pics you post have a photochopped version of an RX-8 in them so Cas can tell us all "cool pics" like the rest of the normal people on these boards who like all fast cars...not just the one they own.
You have it backwards. First of all I'm half Puerto Rican, half White. Second my wife is the Black one. I hijacked it? I think that was you. Your the one that posted the asinine picture. If you could comprehend what I was trying to say maybe we wouldn't have had to go through all of this. Just for the record my first statement was about how I actually think the EVO and STi are suppose to be on the dirt since in my eyes, their rally cars! You need to get off of your EVO frenzy. I'm not stuck on my car. I have plenty of love for the 350Z, S2000, G35 and many more. I just prefer cars that have a little artistic design to them, not a square box!

You have it backwards. First of all I'm half Puerto Rican, half White. Second my wife is the Black one. I hijacked it? I think that was you. Your the one that posted the asinine picture. If you could comprehend what I was trying to say maybe we wouldn't have had to go through all of this. Just for the record my first statement was about how I actually think the EVO and STi are suppose to be on the dirt since in my eyes, their rally cars! You need to get off of your EVO frenzy. I'm not stuck on my car. I have plenty of love for the 350Z, S2000, G35 and many more. I just prefer cars that have a little artistic design to them, not a square box! Who's the troll?

We go from civil...
Dang.. i'm from there and didnt even know this happens. i need to check this out the next time I'm there. Looks like hellafun! to an off color and unneccesary flame...
Finally pics of where those two ugly cars are suppose to be, on the Dirt! :p then back to civil and then a factual rebuttal to your flame...
F'ing sweet!!! i hope to be able to watch this one day soon.
Uglier but faster than your 8 in every possible way then you totally hijack the thread...again...with moronic rantings about truly nothing...
You guys can say what you feel. Yes, those two are faster than my RX8. But not in every way, especially not the handling department. Plus we don't need Turbo's, Brembos, and MacPherson Struts to get fairly good performance numbers. Second, I can voice my opinion on the looks of the car if I wish. If the truth hurts its not my problem, it yours. I call those two cars "The Fast and The Ugly"! I think you should just avoid the general car discussion forum altogether, because you just never know when somebody might say or post something nice about another make or model. That seems to be the catalyst for your maniacal nonsensical rants.

Who's the troll?

We go from civil...
to an off color and unneccesary flame...
then back to civil and then a factual rebuttal to your flame...
then you totally hijack the thread...again...with moronic rantings about truly nothing...
I think you should just avoid the general car discussion forum altogether, because you just never know when somebody might say or post something nice about another make or model. That seems to be the catalyst for your maniacal nonsensical rants.
I think you should stay on the EVO and STi forums. There have been plenty of cars in the General Automotive section that I have posted positive things about. One being my wife's Acura TL. You just need to face the fact that if your car is ugly, its ugly. There's nothing you can do about it. Sure its fast as hell but that doesn't get much respect from me due to the fact that its needs a lot of help to be that fast! And Judging from the comments you have made, your always staying in the box. You seem to like that shape a little too much. :rolleyes: I guess the truth hurts. Your situation on here is a "lose-lose".

Back on the subject of this thread. Thanks for sharing the pics of those rally cars!

I don't understand the idea that because a car has turbos, brembos, or Macpherson struts they are somehow cheating.

I don't understand the idea that because a car has turbos, brembos, or Macpherson struts they are somehow cheating.
Never said that their cheating. I just don't get how people say well the RX8 is slower and cant perform as good. I mean what the hell do they expect if the other cars have AWD, a Turbo, Brembo Brakes, MacPherson Struts and all the extra performance accessories. That's the point I keep trying to make and everyone is blinded by their own views. I know the EVO and STi are fast. But I tip my hat more to cars that don't need all that to post fairly close times to them. Cars such as the S2000 and RX8. I guess its more of a respect thing for me. I'd rather have an car that can perform fairly close to it without the needed help.

I don't understand the idea that because a car has turbos, brembos, or Macpherson struts they are somehow cheating.
BlueEyes, get out while you still can! It's something you don't need to understand because it's irrelevant ans silly. If it is that way from the factory(for simliar or even less amounts of money) then everything is equal. The cars are stock, no extra goodies from the aftermarket. If Mazda wanted to add a turbo, brembos or anything of the like, they very well could have. It would have been priced out of its market but it could have been done. These arguments are so juvenile. Stock vs. stock Cas, no extra goodies. (Where is Ike on this argument, I think he could probably end it with something pretty hysterical :p, Ike get over here!)

Btw, those pics are really awesome. I wish they had cool rally stuff like this around here. It's lame enough for me to get to a track as it is.

Never said that their cheating. I just don't get how people say well the RX8 is slower and cant perform as good. I mean what the hell do they expect if the other cars have AWD, a Turbo, Brembo Brakes, MacPherson Struts and all the extra performance accessories. That's the point I keep trying to make and everyone is blinded by their own views. I know the EVO and STi are fast. But I tip my hat more to cars that don't need all that to post fairly close times to them. Cars such as the S2000 and RX8. I guess its more of a respect thing for me. I'd rather have an car that can perform fairly close to it without the needed help.
This is where you need to take off your blinders man. The 8 is a great damned car, but it has plenty of extra "help" as well. Just because Mitsubishi has brand named parts on the car stock doesn't matter. You just don't get it. So the Supra, RX7, VR-4 of the 90's got no tip of the hat from you? :rolleyes: Btw, having all wheel drive is a bigger drivetrain loss than rear wheel drive, so they're at a disadvantage because of that.

You guys will never get the point. Open your minds. DAMN

You guys will never get the point. Open your minds. DAMN
I wanted to stop posting here, but I can't leave this alone. I hope a mod closes this thread or something. You are the on who needs to open his mind. The cars don't have extra help, they are stock, I hate to seem condescending, but do you know what that means? Original equipment from the manufacturer. They put these cars together and then sell them at the dealerships. What about "Mazdaspeed" RX8s that dealers sell with all the extras that still don't quite perform like Evos and Stis? You are a fanboi(no disrespect meant) and I think you'll never get over that.

I wanted to stop posting here, but I can't leave this alone. I hope a mod closes this thread or something. You are the on who needs to open his mind. The cars don't have extra help, they are stock, I hate to seem condescending, but do you know what that means? Original equipment from the manufacturer. They put these cars together and then sell them at the dealerships. What about "Mazdaspeed" RX8s that dealers sell with all the extras that still don't quite perform like Evos and Stis? You are a fanboi(no disrespect meant) and I think you'll never get over that.
No, you my friend need to open your mind. Do you think I'm stupid or something and don't know that they come factory that way. Though most would call it stock, I would not. Maybe its just a matter of opinion but that the way I fell about it. Stock to me means that Subaru or Mitsubishi makes the brakes, struts and basically every performance part on the car. Not aftermarket performance companies such as Brembo and MacPherson. Kinda get what I'm saying now?

You think mazda makes and engineered everything on the 8?

You think mazda makes and engineered everything on the 8?
I know they dont. But do you see performance brands such as Brembo and MacPherson on them?

No, you my friend need to open your mind. Do you think I'm stupid or something and don't know that they come factory that way. Though most would call it stock, I would not. Maybe its just a matter of opinion but that the way I fell about it. Stock to me means that Subaru or Mitsubishi makes the brakes, struts and basically every performance part on the car. Not aftermarket performance companies such as Brembo and MacPherson. Kinda get what I'm saying now?
I have understood what you were saying the whole time, and it's nothing but rubbish(I love that word). No I don't think you were stupid, but I wasn't sure for a second if you really understood what a stock car was. I even stated it was not meant to be anything offensive. Do you really think that every car company makes every single part for all of their cars? I guarantee you every car company subcontracts in order to save money on R and D for certain parts, or in the case with the Evo and STi, just to attract attention because people know those names. I'm sure with time both companies could develop similar performing parts because they have a lot of money. The brakes on my car I find to be better than the ones on my brother's Evo. Of course my opinion, like yours, is not the be all, end all but to me it says that having those brembos wouldn't be much different than having Mitsubishi brakes.

You think mazda makes and engineered everything on the 8?
Damn you! You beat me to it :p My post was too long.

I know they dont. But do you see performance brands such as Brembo and MacPherson on them?
Ugh, that is such a silly argument. Just because it has a big name does not in any way mean it is superior to every other brand. What do the names matter to you? Since more people know the names of the brake company, that qualifies them somehow?

I know they dont. But do you see performance brands such as Brembo and MacPherson on them?
I don't know. I don't know who makes those parts. For all we know they are brembo and Macpherson. A lot of companies have a bunch of different divisions. The high profile and the rest. I know Brembo owns a bunch of different brake companies. The engineering is still brembo, but it doesn't carry the name.

I don't know. I don't know who makes those parts. For all we know they are brembo and Macpherson. A lot of companies have a bunch of different divisions. The high profile and the rest. I know Brembo owns a bunch of different brake companies. The engineering is still brembo, but it doesn't carry the name.
Come on now Blue, that would just be plain stupid from a business stand point not to put their name on it.

Ugh, that is such a silly argument. Just because it has a big name does not in any way mean it is superior to every other brand. What do the names matter to you? Since more people know the names of the brake company, that qualifies them somehow?
Not at all! But hypothetically speaking, what if the EVO and STi were stripped of the performance parts such as Turbo, Brembo Brakes and so on? What would happen there? There performance capabilities would decrease dramatically. Then would it be more "even" to compare them against something such as an S2000 or RX8? You cant really argue when it comes to name brands anyways because we know for sure Brembo and MacPherson have better performance products than most.

Seems like I'm always fighting a losing battle and most of the time its the same people.

Come on now Blue, that would just be plain stupid from a business stand point not to put their name on it.
No it wouldn't, it is done all the time. Think of three car companies. Any three major car companies you pick, I guarantee that one is owned by another(majority of it anyway) and doesn't carry the name of the mother company.

Not at all! But hypothetically speaking, what if the EVO and STi were stripped of the performance parts such as Turbo, Brembo Brakes and so on? What would happen there? There performance capabilities would decrease dramatically. Then would it be more "even" to compare them against something such as an S2000 or RX8? You cant really argue when it comes to name brands anyways because we know for sure Brembo and MacPherson have better performance products than most.

Seems like I'm always fighting a losing battle and most of the time its the same people.
Are you kidding me? Those parts are the only thing making them sports cars. They are the Evo and STi. Take them away and you have family sedans with lackluster performance. Take away the Renesis and throw in a non turbo 13bREW and what happens to our cars performance. Making arguments like this are so childish. Why do you need to defend your car so? I love my car, but don't need to do things like this to make me feel like I made the right decision. These cars outperform ours in like every way possible, face it. They won't lose those parts, face it. You're fighting a losing battle because you are wrong, face it.

No it wouldn't.
It would if I were in charge. Why wouldn't I not put my name on a product if it were mine? Or if it was a sub-division of my product but still made by us, why wouldn't I put my name somewhere on it. Its called marketing and companies have to do that to survive. Its kinda like having speakers and having no company name on them.

Once again it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree.

It would if I were in charge. Why wouldn't I not put my name on a product if it were mine? Or if it was a sub-division of my product but still made by us, why wouldn't I put my name somewhere on it. Its called marketing and companies have to do that to survive. Its kinda like having speakers and having no company name on them.
That's why you aren't in charge :p

No it wouldn't, it is done all the time. Think of three car companies. Any three major car companies you pick, I guarantee that one is owned by another(majority of it anyway) and doesn't carry the name of the mother company.
Oh I know that. Just like Ford and Mazda

Oh I know that. Just like Ford and Mazda
Okay, that kind of contradicts everything you just said, no?

That's why you aren't in charge :p
Your wrong buddy. I am in charge, in charge of my own business that is having a recorded breaking year as a matter of fact. And speaking of names, we just made up stickers about 4 months ago that we put on the back of our Tractor to promote our Company. I have a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science and Associates Degree in Business Administration, I think I have a clue of what I'm doing. :rolleyes:

Okay, that kind of contradicts everything you just said, no?
No, it doesnt sorry.

Okay, that kind of contradicts everything you just said, no?
See what I mean. But they promote it! http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm :D

Your wrong buddy. I am in charge, in charge of my own business that is having a recorded breaking year as a matter of fact. And speaking of names, we just made up stickers about 4 months ago that we put on the back of our Tractor to promote our Company. I have a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science and Associates Degree in Business Administration, I think I have a clue of what I'm doing. :rolleyes:
'Twas a joke. That's good to hear about your company, never said you didn't know what you were doing.

'Twas a joke. That's good to hear about your company, never said you didn't know what you were doing.
I know, I'm just messing with you, just like your messing with me! :D

See what I mean. But they promote it! http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm :D
They're showing their family of brands, that's all well and good but Ford doesn't have its name on any Mazda product, see what I mean? Brembo probably does similar things with companies it owns. VW/Audi/Lamborghini/Bugatti all these are part of VW(I think that is how it works, someone call me out if I mixed it up) but none have any of the others names all over them. They are "separate companies in a way, but when you trace it back, money goes to the mama bear.

They're showing their family of brands, that's all well and good but Ford doesn't have its name on any Mazda product, see what I mean? Brembo probably does similar things with companies it owns. VW/Audi/Lamborghini/Bugatti all these are part of VW(I think that is how it works, someone call me out if I mixed it up) but none have any of the others names all over them. They are "separate companies in a way, but when you trace it back, money goes to the mama bear.
Are you telling me that I cant find a Mazda Vechile that has Ford on it somewhere through out the body?

Are you telling me that I cant find a Mazda Vechile that has Ford on it somewhere through out the body?
I am not saying that. If they used Ford parts then it would have a Ford logo on it. What I am saying is that Mazda cars have a Mazda badge, not a Ford badge. By your logic, the Mazda name should have been dropped for Ford.

I am not saying that. If they used Ford parts then it would have a Ford logo on it. What I am saying is that Mazda cars have a Mazda badge, not a Ford badge. By your logic, the Mazda name should have been dropped for Ford.Thats not what I'm trying to saying. As I was saying with the Brembo Brakes, yes they have other companies under them. But Brembo is or should have their name still somewhere on their product. Ever have a Brisk Ice Tea,Tropicana or Aquafina Water? All seem to be their own product but you read the label and its going to have "Product of Pepsi Corp". Thats what I was trying to say.

Thats not what I'm trying to saying. As I was saying with the Brembo Brakes, yes they have other companies under them. But Brembo is or should have their name still somewhere on their product. Ever have a Brisk Ice Tea,Tropicana or Aquafina Water? All seem to be their own product but you read the label and its going to have "Product of Pepsi Corp". Thats what I was trying to say.
Whatever, I am done with this thread methinks. I will wander off around the forum and continue to post whore. Oreo, you have my deepest apologies.

Whatever, I am done with this thread methinks. I will wander off around the forum and continue to post whore. Oreo, you have my deepest apologies.
Now thats funny! :p

I think you should stay on the EVO and STi forums. There have been plenty of cars in the General Automotive section that I have posted positive things about. One being my wife's Acura TL. You just need to face the fact that if your car is ugly, its ugly. There's nothing you can do about it. Sure its fast as hell but that doesn't get much respect from me due to the fact that its needs a lot of help to be that fast! And Judging from the comments you have made, your always staying in the box. You seem to like that shape a little too much. :rolleyes: I guess the truth hurts. Your situation on here is a "lose-lose".

Back on the subject of this thread. Thanks for sharing the pics of those rally cars!
Even though I'm the one posting stupid pictures you have somehow managed to make yourself look increasingly stupid with each succesive post.

I'm not even gonna argue the ugly car thing since you're the only one seemingly fixated on that, although I'm totally OK with you thinking an Evo is ugly. That's life. However this whole thing about Brembo brakes, turbochargers, AWD and "McPherson" struts being tantamount to cheating may just win you the fanboi of the year award. Last time I've heard somebody as passionate about that as you I was browsing an RSX forum full of teenagers pissed off that they were getting pulled on by Cobalts, Ions and SRT-4's. It's really pathetic and it doesn't even make sense. For one, McPherson is not a brand. Rather it's a type of strut configuration that got popular in the 80's when more and more lightweight FWD cars from Japan were hitting the roads. Sorta like "Tommy John surgery" or "Murphy's Law". Try to wrap your college educated brain around that before spouting off more nonsense.

This idea that turbochargers, aftermarket brakes, stiffer suspension and AWD are somehow a disingenuous means to an end is the battle cry of the jealous and/or ignorant. There's a saying: run what you brung and STFU. You need to put that in your signature and think about exactly what it means before you start mindlessly tapping away again on that keyboard.

You also have equated turbochargers and big brakes with cheating, but what about a rotary engine? That's definately a novelty item - although I'm sure in your peanut mind there's a perfectly good justification for that being taken off the list. Although, outside of the RX-8, I know of no other production car even being made with a rotary engine.

Secondly, we've got a couple guys in here with aftermarket turbo chargers on their RX-8. That's quite a predicament for you. What do you have to say to them? Are they cheating too, or are they just oportunists because they drive the same car as you - albeit modified. And what about the Mazdaspeed RX-8...is that cheating too? And what about weight lifting in the NFL, or boob jobs in porn, or mouth gaurds in boxing, or diapers on babies? Those are all apparently forms of "cheating" by your impossible definition of "fair".

I just read this thread and I would like CAS to give me my 15 minutes of life back!!!!!!

BTW nice pics oreo!

BTW...for you guys that like WRC there's a ton of free videos on this website. You have to register with an email address and a password, but it's 100% free. There are hundreds of videos and about 25 that are just Rally Racing...

http://www.racingflix.com

Even though I'm the one posting stupid pictures you have somehow managed to make yourself look increasingly stupid with each succesive post.

I'm not even gonna argue the ugly car thing since you're the only one seemingly fixated on that, although I'm totally OK with you thinking an Evo is ugly. That's life. However this whole thing about Brembo brakes, turbochargers, AWD and "McPherson" struts being tantamount to cheating may just win you the fanboi of the year award. Last time I've heard somebody as passionate about that as you I was browsing an RSX forum full of teenagers pissed off that they were getting pulled on by Cobalts, Ions and SRT-4's. It's really pathetic and it doesn't even make sense. For one, McPherson is not a brand. Rather it's a type of strut configuration that got popular in the 80's when more and more lightweight FWD cars from Japan were hitting the roads. Sorta like "Tommy John surgery" or "Murphy's Law". Try to wrap your college educated brain around that before spouting off more nonsense.

This idea that turbochargers, aftermarket brakes, stiffer suspension and AWD are somehow a disingenuous means to an end is the battle cry of the jealous and/or ignorant. There's a saying: run what you brung and STFU. You need to put that in your signature and think about exactly what it means before you start mindlessly tapping away again on that keyboard.

You also have equated turbochargers and big brakes with cheating, but what about a rotary engine? That's definately a novelty item - although I'm sure in your peanut mind there's a perfectly good justification for that being taken off the list. Although, outside of the RX-8, I know of no other production car even being made with a rotary engine.

Secondly, we've got a couple guys in here with aftermarket turbo chargers on their RX-8. That's quite a predicament for you. What do you have to say to them? Are they cheating too, or are they just oportunists because they drive the same car as you - albeit modified. And what about the Mazdaspeed RX-8...is that cheating too? And what about weight lifting in the NFL, or boob jobs in porn, or mouth gaurds in boxing, or diapers on babies? Those are all apparently forms of "cheating" by your impossible definition of "fair".
You need to look in the mirror buddy. I've bought up numerous points about things that you cant or wont even answer. Now you want to talk about childish. Be a MAN and live up to the facts. Face things instead of running around them! I never once said it was cheating, but more of an advantage over others. And I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Your attempt on analogies didn't work too well. They don't make much sense, especially towards what your "trying" to compare them to. My "Impossible" definition of fair? You think its fair to compare an EVO and STi vs an RX8, S2000, 350Z or G35? Your comparing sports cars to Rally Cars(In my eyes). Fair would be giving all the others the same performance enhancements that they have. Then people like you have the audacity to say the RX8 is slow. Shit, for what the RX8 has in it, its does very well. It doesnt need the extra help to get good numbers. Face the facts! Put it like this, I wouldn't be too proud of my EVO or STi(if I owned one) if I were to beat an RX8, 350Z, G35, S2000 or anything in that category! As a matter of fact, its kinda sad that people actually do that..............................

I just read this thread and I would like CAS to give me my 15 minutes of life back!!!!!!

BTW nice pics oreo!
Hey, I didnt force you to read. LOL

Enough is Enough. I'll be the bigger man and Agree to Disagree.

You need to look in the mirror buddy. I've bought up numerous points about things that you cant or wont even answer. Now you want to talk about childish. Be a MAN and live up to the facts. Face things instead of running around them! I never once said it was cheating, but more of an advantage over others. And I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Your attempt on analogies didn't work too well. They don't make much sense, especially towards what your "trying" to compare them to. My "Impossible" definition of fair? You think its fair to compare an EVO and STi vs an RX8, S2000, 350Z or G35? Your comparing sports cars to Rally Cars(In my eyes). Fair would be giving all the others the same performance enhancements that they have. Then people like you have the audacity to say the RX8 is slow. Shit, for what the RX8 has in it, its does very well. It doesnt need the extra help to get good numbers. Face the facts! Put it like this, I wouldn't be too proud of my EVO or STi(if I owned one) if I were to beat an RX8, 350Z, G35, S2000 or anything in that category! As a matter of fact, its kinda sad that people actually do that..............................

I still don't understand why you think because one car has a name brand brake, it automatically preforms better than another brake package and is an advantage. It doesn't make any sense, and you have no proof of this. It's just your brand identification kicking in, I guess their marketing worked pretty well.

You need to look in the mirror buddy. I've bought up numerous points about things that you cant or wont even answer. Now you want to talk about childish. Be a MAN and live up to the facts. Face things instead of running around them! I never once said it was cheating, but more of an advantage over others. And I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Your attempt on analogies didn't work too well. They don't make much sense, especially towards what your "trying" to compare them to. My "Impossible" definition of fair? You think its fair to compare an EVO and STi vs an RX8, S2000, 350Z or G35? Your comparing sports cars to Rally Cars(In my eyes). Fair would be giving all the others the same performance enhancements that they have. Then people like you have the audacity to say the RX8 is slow. Shit, for what the RX8 has in it, its does very well. It doesnt need the extra help to get good numbers. Face the facts! Put it like this, I wouldn't be too proud of my EVO or STi(if I owned one) if I were to beat an RX8, 350Z, G35, S2000 or anything in that category! As a matter of fact, its kinda sad that people actually do that..............................
What facts will I not face and what things will I not answer? Is it about the Evo being ugly? You want to have a pointless argument in hopes you'll find some common ground with other RX-8 owners. Not only will that be a complete waste of everyone's time, but it's been done a thousand times before in a thousand other threads. We'd be better off talking something else totally subjective like politics or religion. Maybe we could argue evolution or debate the chicken and the egg. No no I got it...let's do nature vs. nurture. Were you born a boob or did you evolve into one?

I'm also gonna assume by your overall defensive tone and skipping over of my turbocharged RX-8 question that you've realized the insanity of your "extra help" and unfair "advantages" argument. You're also giving the Evo/STi too much credit if you think that Subaru and Mitsubishi are selling rally cars to the public. They do fine in the snow, but that Jamaican country side would absolutely devour the suspension of any street legal STi or Evo. They are "rally bred", whatever that means. To me it basically means AWD, an "Evolution" or "STi" badge on the back of the car, and a turbocharger. It's a marketing ploy in as much as the RX-8 is a "LeMans bred" version of the 787B. But make no mistake, both the STi and Evo are built for the tarmac just like your car and 99% of everything else sold nowadays...save for a Hummer or something like that...so comparing track times is apples to apples, not apples to oranges like you're desperately and pathetically trying to convince us all.

Speaking of putting words in your mouth, where exactly was it that I said the RX-8 was slow. No need for excuses or backpedaling...Just paste the quote where I said it.

Another fine piece of rx8club.com history right here. I firmly believe that this forum has to hold the record for the number of locked threads. One last post before the lock.

First thing I thought of after reading the last four pages was, "My Mazda RX8 tires really stick to road!" Every piece used in the auto industry are stock parts from some company. You could make the argument that kit cars are stock, and they can be made with many different arrangements of stock pieces.

One could also argue that if you have put a new set of tires on your car, even if they are the exact same brand and type, that your car is no longer stock.

I own an 8:

I like the EVO 8's looks in person
I like the WRX's looks in person but not the STI's wing
I will get smoked by all three of the above cars

Is the 8 built to do the same things as the others, not at all. I wanted an easier ride on the every day roads while stilling getting good performance numbers so I got the 8.