Ever notice how much people complain about "corporate America" and its outsourcing practices? Ask the same people how they feel about daycare, gardeners, interior painters, after school programs, maids, and how much they eat out (food that is :P ) as opposed to cooking. Funny how when corporations outsource to improve their profits, it is evil, but when families do it in their microcosm, it is smart. What hypocrisy!!! I think both will destroy this country within the next century but that's what happens when greed takes over. Just look inwards next time you start hating cooperations.

And just to be clear, I hate outsourcing, even if it makes me a few more bucks on my 401K. I'd get out of it if it weren't for the damn matching and pretax benefits. So yes, I am partially guilty but not to the extent of those who constantly moan about America.

Any takers?

I hate outsourcing when it yields a decrease in quality of service. Does that count?

Agreed. It's hard to find good quality anything even if you are willing to pay up to twice the price.

I do everything myself. I tried to bring in some cleaning help..my wife will have non of it.

If you'd like some peace with the Outsourcing subject, read a great book called "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. You won't regret reading it.

It's not the same thing. Workers lose money and corporations save money. When you pay people to do stuff, workers get money and you(the corporation) lose money but gain time.

I disagree. You lose talent, character and understanding of the working world and your kids lose out on a real childhood. You also lose out because your relationship with your kids will be bought and superficial. Think about the long term effects. They both will screw you in the end.

^ Amen

The more someone outsources, the more they are reliant on society. People don't know how to sew, how to hunt, how to even cook!

Its just part of the evolution of society, a person can have more time to specialize on something if they have everything else done for them (by people that specialize in their own specific task.) Any history class will tell you the only times civilization as progressed ANYWHERE was after each society's agricultural revolution has enstrued.

Capitalism is AMERICA! I really hate it when americans enjoy their lives so much, with everything they have and all the freedom(because of capitalism), and then they experience the bad points of capitalism and complain. Capitalism is MONEY BASED!

Nowhere in the word MONEY is: family, honestly, charity.

Capitalism allows us to be free with what we persue, but it also allows everyone else to be free also. Which means job stability for no one.

-If we can make clothes in South America for 1/2 the cost of what we can do in USA, then thats capitalism!
-If Japan makes a better computer chip for 1/2 the price, thats capitalism!

Honestly, outsourcing is as American as apple pie.

Don't like getting fired over the smart new asian guy? Don't like getting closed down by Walmart? Don't like getting replaced by a machine?

Then move to china, or any other crap hole communist country. Their primary philosopy is job security.

But besides this, this whole thread is very Marxist.

I disagree. You lose talent, character and understanding of the working world and your kids lose out on a real childhood. You also lose out because your relationship with your kids will be bought and superficial. Think about the long term effects. They both will screw you in the end.


HAHAHA, welcome to AMERICA!

Y'Know, theres a reason we are hated by most of the rest of the world, and are dumber and less cultural than them.

Long term effects? Marx predicted this! Did anyone care at the time?

PS - I am agreeing with you Xtasy94, in an assholish sort of way. :)

You gain so much by cultural progression: technology, lifestyle.

But the price you pay is weak family ties.

And the only totally and purely reasonable explanation of why were are here on this planet, working our butts off from day to day...........

IS: Family!!!!!

Why else is love and sex so awesome?

I mean, owning stuff is okay to amuse yourself with for a while (I mean what else are we going to do between the times we are eating, sleeping or shitting, LOL, besides making up tons of religions to comfort ourselves with), but if you die alone your car, or your house is not going to miss you or carry on without you.

Ever notice how much people complain about "corporate America" and its outsourcing practices? Ask the same people how they feel about daycare, gardeners, interior painters, after school programs, maids, and how much they eat out (food that is :P ) as opposed to cooking. Funny how when corporations outsource to improve their profits, it is evil, but when families do it in their microcosm, it is smart. What hypocrisy!!! I think both will destroy this country within the next century but that's what happens when greed takes over. Just look inwards next time you start hating cooperations.

And just to be clear, I hate outsourcing, even if it makes me a few more bucks on my 401K. I'd get out of it if it weren't for the damn matching and pretax benefits. So yes, I am partially guilty but not to the extent of those who constantly moan about America.

Any takers?

that was the worst analogy and rant ever!
(I bet he was on the crapper and it just came to him...hey I, am, outsourcing my life! omg I've found an analogous system...wow lets go tell someone real quick...oh wait errr kerplop...oh done)


besides if you want an analogy on how outsourcing is bad look to the federal government...the more projects we dump into corporations the more a supposedly neutral/non-profit system is whored to the lowest bidder...everything with the government should be in house...I don't want my tax dollars going to some corporation who donates money to the republicans/pro-lifers/etc.

HAHAHA, welcome to AMERICA!

Y'Know, theres a reason we are hated by most of the rest of the world, and are dumber and less cultural than them.

Long term effects? Marx predicted this! Did anyone care at the time?

PS - I am agreeing with you Xtasy94, in an assholish sort of way. :)

Yeah, Marx also said that in order for true communism to be achieved, Capitalism has to reach a peak and will slowly progress towards socialism or something to that extent. This is basically what the European countries and to a lesser extent, the US, is doing right now.

As for US is being the most hated in the world, we're only hated because we're on top. People are also finding someone to blame and who better to blame than who is on top. The bottomfeeders at the bottom are blaming the ones up top for not sharing even though it's someone else who may be the cause of their troubles. :rolleyes:

that was the worst analogy and rant ever!
(I bet he was on the crapper and it just came to him...hey I, am, outsourcing my life! omg I've found an analogous system...wow lets go tell someone real quick...oh wait errr kerplop...oh done)


besides if you want an analogy on how outsourcing is bad look to the federal government...the more projects we dump into corporations the more a supposedly neutral/non-profit system is whored to the lowest bidder...everything with the government should be in house...I don't want my tax dollars going to some corporation who donates money to the republicans/pro-lifers/etc.

And we all know how well the bureaucratic works, they waste more tax dollars than they save because they have no bottom line, they don't have to answer to anyone (well not immediately anyways) and basically they can run for ages without having to work within budget. I don't see our gov't declaring bankruptcy.

As for US is being the most hated in the world, we're only hated because we're on top. People are also finding someone to blame and who better to blame than who is on top. The bottomfeeders at the bottom are blaming the ones up top for not sharing even though it's someone else who may be the cause of their troubles. :rolleyes:

on top of what?

our dollar is failing, the Pound and Euro are kicking are ass

China's economy is booming and will wipe out whatever supremecy we had for the last century

our social policies/politics are taking us back in time (for g-d's sake stem cell research is being choked)

Our children are getting dumber while foreign children are getting smarter

We are dumping billions of dollars into Iraq with no return in 'promised' oil money

People can't stop eating because there is no self control the whole country is full of fat bastards

Would you like me to continue?
:cool:

You gain so much by cultural progression: technology, lifestyle.

But the price you pay is weak family ties.

And the only totally and purely reasonable explanation of why were are here on this planet, working our butts off from day to day...........

IS: Family!!!!!

Why else is love and sex so awesome?

I mean, owning stuff is okay to amuse yourself with for a while (I mean what else are we going to do between the times we are eating, sleeping or shitting, LOL, besides making up tons of religions to comfort ourselves with), but if you die alone your car, or your house is not going to miss you or carry on without you.

You lose family ties not because of capitalism or progression in anything but simple human greed. People stick together in order to survive. However, as with animals, people don't like people, they have their own territory and keep their own territory. Humans are more preditor like than prays and they don't stay in their own flocks if they do not need to.

This is the reason for loser family ties. When people find their own independence, they struggle to keep it. They no longer need the family to ensure survival.

i outsource my life because im used to my bourgeoisie yuppy lifestyle. My little electronic gadgets are great and people serving me make my life easier.

but you know what i still care about my family which has nothing to do with the comforts i enjoy...well actually maybe a little to do with the fact that it is because of my family that i am able to 'outsource my life'.