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A man was shot and killed outside a busy Mississauga mall just before noon yesterday as Toronto awoke from an unusually violent night of gunfire.

The man was sitting in his beige Ford Escape SUV outside the main entrance of Square One, one of Ontario's largest shopping centres. A witness said the man was there only a short time before he was approached by a dark-clad man.

The man walked up beside the SUV, pulled out a handgun and started pouring bullets through the driver's side window, hitting the driver several times in the face.

"I saw the ambulance guys pulling the guy out and trying to resuscitate him," said Richard, declining to give his last name. "There were four or five guys pumping and stuff, but it didn't look good. He wasn't moving or anything . . . He was shot in the head three or four times."

The man was pronounced dead at hospital.

Peel Regional police arrived on the scene shortly after the shooting and police dogs were dispatched along the suspect's escape route. He fled the crime scene on foot, a witness said, and into an underground parking garage. Police were looking for a black male in his late teens or early 20s, approximately 6 feet 2 inches tall, wearing dark clothing.

The brazen shooting occurred in a busy mall area outside a Wal-Mart and Burger King. It happened barely 12 hours after the last in a series of shootings in Toronto Monday night that left six people injured.

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said none of the injuries are life threatening and the victims are known to police.

"It seems clear, at this stage, that the shootings are not connected and that they are retaliatory in nature," Chief Blair said in a statement released to the media. "A number of the victims are not co-operating with investigators."

Monday night's first incident took place in an alley in Chinatown. As a police officer tried to arrest a man, a fight broke out and the man grabbed hold of the officer's gun. During the struggle, the gun was unholstered and fired, although no one was hurt. Chay Luu, 28, faces several charges as a result.

Around the same time, a 30-year-old man was shot on Dorney Court in the area of Bathurst Street and Lawrence Avenue. He escaped to a Leila Lane address and got help.

At 10:28 p.m., a 28-year-old man at a gas station payphone at Church and Dundas streets encountered two men who shot him several times before they fled in a vehicle.

Then, near 11:00 p.m., a 26-year-old man standing in the doorway of Queen Roti Hut restaurant on the Lakeshore in Etobicoke was shot in the hand and abdomen after a man and a woman approached him.

Just before midnight, there were three more people shot in two incidents. Two men were hit after they ran away from a group of men on Weston Road. Two minutes later, a 19-year-old was shot while standing on Glendower Circuit talking on his cellphone. Police say the 19-year-old has been charged in connection with a May, 2005, shooting.

Chief Blair said crime is down in Toronto, as indicated by the national crime figures Statistics Canada released last week. Still, he pledged to send more officers into areas affected by Monday's shootings.

"The number of gun calls in Toronto is stable, but I have been concerned for some time at the willingness of small numbers of young men to engage in gunplay in heavily populated areas," he said. "The job for my officers is clear: provide reassurance through high-profile patrols and pursue every investigative opportunity."

Anthony Doob, a professor of criminology at the University of Toronto, said the spate of shootings is unusual, but on its own doesn't indicate a rise in gun violence.

"I would guess it's unusual to have that many in that short time, but I don't know what one makes of it," he said. "Unusual things happen . . . We'll notice when they're in relatively close proximity, and we won't notice when we go three weeks without anything."

An unusual spate of violence that saw six unconnected shootings Monday night continued as a man was shot in the face yesterday while sitting in his SUV in the parking lot of a Mississauga mall.

10 p.m.: Dundas and Spadina. A police officer tries to arrest a man in an alleyway in Chinatown. During the struggle, the suspect grabs at t he officer's gun and the weapon goes off. No one is shot. The man is arrested. The officer suffers a bite to his forearm.

10 p.m.: Dorney Court. A 30-year-old man is shot at Dorney Court but is able to run to 5 Leila Lane to get help. He is treated for non-life threatening injuries. No suspect at this time.

10.28 p.m.: Church and Dundas. A 28-year-old man is approached by two men while using a pay phone at the gas station. He is shot several times and the two men flee in a vehicle. The victim's injuries are non-life threatening.

11.00 p.m.: 2957 Lakeshore Blvd. A 26-year-old man standing in the doorway of a restaurant is approached by a woman and a man and shot with a handgun. His injuries are non-life threatening.

11.55 p.m.: 3412 Weston Rd. A 27-year-old man and a 37-year-old man are approached by two or three men armed with a gun demanding money. They try to run, and are shot. Both sustained non-life threatening injuries.

11.57 p.m.: Glendower Circuit. A 19-year-old man standing on the street talking on his cellphone is shot. His injuries are non-life threatening. The victim is facing charges in connection with another shooting on Birchmount Road in May.

Yesterday, 11.54 a.m.: Parking lot of Square One mall in Mississauga. Man is shot in the face as he sits in his SUV in the mall parking lot.

Discuss.

happens every year. There are always more shootings at this time of year.

Also, carabana is coming up, so it's just going to get worse.

All i have to say is that's MESSED UP. The mall that guy got shot is a mall I go to regularily in mississauga called Square One..

All of these shootings sound almost random as well. A guy talking on the pay phone?? and then another guy standing in a restaurant.. wtf!!!

Carabana is comming up this weekend as well.

Hey what's Carabana? Sounds like a spanish festival? Never heard of it...

Hey what's Carabana? Sounds like a spanish festival? Never heard of it...


http://www.caribana.com/

That looks sweet - I'm gonna have to check that out maybe next year.

yeah, if you want to get shot or stabbed check it out :eek:

It's pretty brutal, attracts a lot of stupid people.

Better bring your gun

Is it really that bad? Damn.

I don't have a gun. :o

The problem with carabana is that a lot of guys from the states come and try to run shiit here. Little do they know that toronto has some serious mofo's aswell. shootings are mostly over chicks and guys that go wild after drinking cognac.

I use to live on Yonge and College and during Carabana, you would see police officers patrol in groups of SIX! It's a good time, but definitely it attracts some bad elements (its usually foreigners and Americans that are the troublemakers).

On the plus, driving up and down Yonge St are the most pimped out Escalades and low riders you have ever seen (like in Snoop Dogg videos). I spoke to one guy that had 22" spinners that costed him 20K!

i lived in T.O. for a bit, and was there for a Caribana fest. I have never seen so many Ohio plates in my life. It was scary walking around at times, i didnt want to look at anyone the wrong way for fear of being shot or stabbed or something.

And the GTA has been going downhill for a long time now, just it's becoming more and more obvious

Heh ... I remember one time on my way to my friends house, had to walk down Yonge St for a bit. I walked REALLY close to the six man police patrol group ... kinda like my own personal bodyguards.

Heh ... I remember one time on my way to my friends house, had to walk down Yonge St for a bit. I walked REALLY close to the six man police patrol group ... kinda like my own personal bodyguards.

i had to walk from yonge & bloor to union station. the entire street was full of SUVS with ohio plates with black guys hanging out of them yelling at each other or women on the sidewalks. it was absolute mayhem. that was the only time i had ever been scared to walk down yonge. and that was the middle of the day...

And the GTA has been going downhill for a long time now, just it's becoming more and more obvious

Perhaps ... but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

My friends went out last year during caraban and they said they saw a group of punks throwing shit at the police horses and one of the horses fell down and broke it's leg. Let's just say the response was a little severe ;)

Perhaps ... but I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Same here.. I"ve been to so many different cities around the world, and the cleanest/safest is still toronto by far. Try walking in Rio De Janerio or even Amsterdamn at night.. Now that's scary

Same here.. I"ve been to so many different cities around the world, and the cleanest/safest is still toronto by far. Try walking in Rio De Janerio or even Amsterdamn at night.. Now that's scary


wereas those are bad cities I wouldn't put Toronto near the top, of clean/safe cities.

oh, dont get me wrong, living in Toronto was fun. But comparing it to where I currently live (and grew up here too), Toronto can't compare in terms of safety and so on.... Toronto has been labelled the 'Canadian American city', meaning its been americanized. and i agree with it.

but on another note, that shit (gangs, guns, etc...) is becoming larger this way too :\

wereas those are bad cities I wouldn't put Toronto near the top, of clean/safe cities.

wasnt calgary first on that list?

and ottawa 4th?

compared to the world

wereas those are bad cities I wouldn't put Toronto near the top, of clean/safe cities.
Depends I suppose. As far as really big cities go, like NY, Chicago, LA etc... I would put Toronto way up there. The only time I have ever felt scared walking around the city is during carabana. Otherwise, I have no problems strolling about at all hours of the day.

I'm sure TO isn't at the top of somebody else's list. but i prefer to judge the city on place's i've been to.. so until i get out to australia (I hear sydney is a great place) i think TO is great..

Rome is probaly 2nd on my list :)

i had to walk from yonge & bloor to union station. the entire street was full of SUVS with ohio plates with black guys hanging out of them yelling at each other or women on the sidewalks. it was absolute mayhem. that was the only time i had ever been scared to walk down yonge. and that was the middle of the day...

Heh ... I was walking in the EVENING! That's why I walked so close to the cops. I've walked down the streets of Rio in the evening and it's not that bad depending where you are (I would never go to the flavala areas in the evening). But yea, during Carabana it's very rowdy and perhaps more scary. On average though, I would say that Toronto is relatively safer than any of the world cities mentioned (ie NY, LA, Amsterdam, etc).

But I guess it goes without saying that you have to have street smarts when walking in the evening anywhere and knowing what areas are potentially troublesome. An example --> southcentral LA at 1am in a bow tie, loafers and cardigan sweater.

Perhaps ... but I wouldn't live anywhere else.Have you lived anywhere else? Just out of curiosity...

My friends went out last year during caraban and they said they saw a group of punks throwing shit at the police horses and one of the horses fell down and broke it's leg. Let's just say the response was a little severe ;)Heh...that reminds me of the movie "Half Baked" ;)

Heh ... I was walking in the EVENING! That's why I walked so close to the cops. I've walked down the streets of Rio in the evening and it's not that bad depending where you are (I would never go to the flavala areas in the evening). But yea, during Carabana it's very rowdy and perhaps more scary. On average though, I would say that Toronto is relatively safer than any of the world cities mentioned (ie NY, LA, Amsterdam, etc).

But I guess it goes without saying that you have to have street smarts when walking in the evening anywhere and knowing what areas are potentially troublesome. An example --> southcentral LA at 1am in a bow tie, loafers and cardigan sweater.

You don't even want to be caught in a favela during the day! remember, Ipanema is at the base of a pretty large shanty town, so it's difficult to know who is who, especially at night..

heh, copacabana was interesting at night though(next to Ipanema).. lots and lots of prostitutes. so much it was almost like a little parade :)

Have you lived anywhere else? Just out of curiosity...

Excellent question. Not counting Kingston (my formative years), Ottawa (2 work terms), Waterloo (my non-sober University years), the answer is no. I have travelled quite a bit if that counts. I would probably only consider living in a couple of other cities (Paris or Florence) but perhaps I'm limiting myself.

yeah, if you want to get shot or stabbed check it out :eek:


Too funny. I had a great laugh at this remark. Sad part about it is that there is some truth to it.

Excellent question. Not counting Kingston (my formative years), Ottawa (2 work terms), Waterloo (my non-sober University years), the answer is no. I have travelled quite a bit if that counts. I would probably only consider living in a couple of other cities (Paris or Florence) but perhaps I'm limiting myself.Gotcha...

Maybe you are limiting yourself...I dunno. I just don't imagine myself ever saying "I wouldn't live anywhere else" unless I had actually tried living everywhere else and came to realize that where I was living was the best place. :)

Gotcha...

Maybe you are limiting yourself...I dunno. I just don't imagine myself ever saying "I wouldn't live anywhere else" unless I had actually tried living everywhere else and came to realize that where I was living was the best place. :)

Agreed ... do you have any room at your place ? :D

Agreed ... do you have any room at your place ? :DSurprisingly, yes! So far this year we've had 3 different couch crashers...they're all gone now, those bums.

Agreed ... do you have any room at your place ? :D


Where have you been? Have you not learned anything? If there is one thing you should take from this forum is that to stay away from KHTM and camping. A room-mate is like permanent camping

Here is the thread again

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=58941


PLEASE PEOPLE, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT. :D :D :D :D :p :p

Where have you been? Have you not learned anything? If there is one thing you should take from this forum is that to stay away from KHTM and camping. A room-mate is like permanent camping

Here is the thread again

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=58941


PLEASE PEOPLE, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT. :D :D :D :D :p :pI was counting the minutes until you poked your ugly face into this thread :p

Surprisingly, yes! So far this year we've had 3 different couch crashers...they're all gone now, those bums.



DO YOU SEE HOW EAGER HE IS?....DO YOU?

I bet see asks you if you own a sleeping bag. Surely this is the best place to live. :rolleyes: :D :D :D

I was counting the minutes until you poked your ugly face into this thread :p



LOL...laugh-ing...to..hard...can't type :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

We need to start our own thread where we just make fun of each other and nobody else says anything.

Yeah, that'd be fun. :D

OMG ... Thanks Rotten ...

uhhh, khtm ... I think I'm pretty happy in Toronto but thanks anyway :D

Nope...I'm having great fun doing this in the public...nice try "Camping Boy". :D


ROTFLMAO

OMG ... Thanks Rotten ...

uhhh, khtm ... I think I'm pretty happy in Toronto but thanks anyway :DI never invited you, you just asked if I have any room! Man you guys and your imaginations. :rolleyes:

You don't even want to be caught in a favela during the day! remember, Ipanema is at the base of a pretty large shanty town, so it's difficult to know who is who, especially at night..

heh, copacabana was interesting at night though(next to Ipanema).. lots and lots of prostitutes. so much it was almost like a little parade :)

heh heh ... yea, copacabana was jokes with all the hookers. I just hung out closer to the fancier hotels where there is less rif-raf. With ipanema, I also hung out at the classier joints. It kinda surprised me that some of the clubs there charged like 50 Rias for cover ... guess it's their way to keep out unwanted elements.

This is a dumb thread full stereotypical assumptions. Fear is relative, try being a visible minority at a biker convention. Or for that matter step into a Northern Ontario establishment and ask for a beer and try not to be scared by all the people staring at what the cat dragged in.

I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.

And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.

I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.

Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.

Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.

There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.

Not all that has been talked about here is about stereotypes. I happen to think Toronto is a shit hole...but that's just from my expereinces. It has nothing to do with carnivals. Special occassions bring out different behaviors in people. (i.e. The Stampede) If you went by the behavior during the 10 days of Stampede you would think everyone is a redneck cowboy rather than being the second largest center in Canada (next to TO) in corp. offices and the leader in the country for self-owned small businesss.

IMO (whether that matters or not) the crime is a bit different in TO. This is very subjective but its more "big city" crime...more random?...I'm having a hard time explaining it.

The air quality has been quite bad too. I saw a news repost that shows how more than half of it ccomes up from the coal plants in the US....makes me feel better about shipping your garbage to them. :D

I'm a bit jaded because one year when I was down there, I wanted to watch the Grey Cup in a bar. I was downtown at the NovaTel?

Anyway, I could not find a place that would shoew the game because they all had NFL on instead....even at the Skydome and Grez's place.

I have some other issues too but those are of a more personal nature.

Lawyer's spirit ... I'd hate to say this but you live in a box. Unlike Rotten, I love Toronto. Heck I spent almost a decade there. This thread is not refering to the cultures or races for that matter. Like rotten said, certain elements are attracted by certain events and is in no way a reflection of the people there.

You mention that large numbers of police are required for large crowds. Yes. This is a true fact. BUT of all the years in Toronto where there have been parades and such, the ONLY times I have ever witnessed the police traveling/patrolling in a 6 man formation in riot gear ... was during Carabana along Yonge St. This was no where near where the actual festivities, just on the streets. During the Gay Pride parades, I have NEVER witnessed the 6man police formation. Like it or not, the police are reacting to what they know is going to be more troublesome. Like I said previously, many of the unwelcomed elements are Americans (all those Ohio and NY plates) and foreigners.

Well said Lawyer's Spirit !

Lawyer's spirit ... I'd hate to say this but you live in a box. Not worthy of a response.

This thread is not refering to the cultures or races for that matter. Like rotten said, certain elements are attracted by certain events and is in no way a reflection of the people there.

So you are saying that events where people dance alongside decorated floats are the real problem.


Like it or not, the police are reacting to what they know is going to be more troublesome. Like I said previously, many of the unwelcomed elements are Americans (all those Ohio and NY plates) and foreigners.

Your above comment is a blatant stereotype. And frankly I apologize on your behalf to any Ohio,NY and foreign readers that come and spend their much needed tourist dollars in our city.

I've said enough on this topic.

You're right...you can't blame it on foreigners...I blame the lawyers!! :D

This is a dumb thread full stereotypical assumptions. Fear is relative, try being a visible minority at a biker convention. Or for that matter step into a Northern Ontario establishment and ask for a beer and try not to be scared by all the people staring at what the cat dragged in.

I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.

And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.

I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.

Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.

Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.

There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.Dude, when people who actually live in Toronto are saying that it's scary and "going down the shitter", then I fail to see how these are "stereotypical" comments. Stereotypes are usually formed out of ignorance, although there is usually some truth to them. Your logic baffles me. If you don't like what your own residents are saying about your beautiful city, then suck it up. It's just their opinion.

I started this thread to get some insight in how bad it really is. Personally, I hate to see any city in Canada "going down the shitter".

heh heh ... yea, copacabana was jokes with all the hookers. I just hung out closer to the fancier hotels where there is less rif-raf. With ipanema, I also hung out at the classier joints. It kinda surprised me that some of the clubs there charged like 50 Rias for cover ... guess it's their way to keep out unwanted elements.

ya this one place charged 50 Rias to get in and gave me a credit card thing.. But the cool thing was it had 50 rias on it so as long as you drink that much it didn't really cost anything.. hehehe, when the girl who asked what my name was I told her, and she put in her system "Gringo" hahaha made me laugh :)

Oh and as for copacabana, all I have to say is remember that club Help? now that was the most messed up place i've ever been!! Lonely planet said "largest club in latin america!" so my friend and I were like ok, let's check it out.. it should have said "largest brothel in south america" :eek: it smelled funny to :)

But I love south america, can't wait to go back.. already been to brazil, uraguay and argentina! :)

MrJynx

Dude, when people who actually live in Toronto are saying that it's scary and "going down the shitter", then I fail to see how these are "stereotypical" comments. Stereotypes are usually formed out of ignorance, although there is usually some truth to them. Your logic baffles me. If you don't like what your own residents are saying about your beautiful city, then suck it up. It's just their opinion.

I started this thread to get some insight in how bad it really is. Personally, I hate to see any city in Canada "going down the shitter".

Respectfully, I think you're missing his point. He's talking about the comments around Americans and foreigners causing the problems. I cringed when I read that and I don't agree.

Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.

Is the city going down the shitter ? Not sure. It's certainly different than when I moved here in '86 (it's not as clean, subways are overcrowded, roads are overcrowded, I'm actually not sure if it's more dangerous now - I think I just hear about it more than I used to (internet, cbc in the morning instead of the rock station, tv)).

I , for one , still love the city.

Maybe we should talk about Rx-8s :)

Respectfully, I think you're missing his point. He's talking about the comments around Americans and foreigners causing the problems. I cringed when I read that and I don't agree.

Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.

It's pretty easy. They are the ones standing beside the cars with american plates, yelling at girls, mouthing off other guys, generally being disrespectful to everyone including law enforcement.

It's the truth, go check it out this weekend.

Respectfully, I think you're missing his point. He's talking about the comments around Americans and foreigners causing the problems. I cringed when I read that and I don't agree.

Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.

Is the city going down the shitter ? Not sure. It's certainly different than when I moved here in '86 (it's not as clean, subways are overcrowded, roads are overcrowded, I'm actually not sure if it's more dangerous now - I think I just hear about it more than I used to (internet, cbc in the morning instead of the rock station, tv)).

I , for one , still love the city.

Maybe we should talk about Rx-8s :)Fair enough, just wish he'd say that and not you. That's not what I got out of his post at all :)

Why would you cringe when people say that Americans come up to a festival and cause problems? Would you feel better if someone said that it was people who lived in Toronto that were stabbing and shooting people? This confuses me...

Don't really care who it is, the result is the same. Toronto is getting to be a scary place at night.

Why would you cringe when people say that Americans come up to a festival and cause problems? Would you feel better if someone said that it was people who lived in Toronto that were stabbing and shooting people? This confuses me...

True... I cringed because it sounded like a sweeping generalization. I think there are probably a number of Toronto people that are just as "disruptive", even when Caribana is not on.

Respectfully, I think you're missing his point. He's talking about the comments around Americans and foreigners causing the problems. I cringed when I read that and I don't agree.

Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.

Is the city going down the shitter ? Not sure. It's certainly different than when I moved here in '86 (it's not as clean, subways are overcrowded, roads are overcrowded, I'm actually not sure if it's more dangerous now - I think I just hear about it more than I used to (internet, cbc in the morning instead of the rock station, tv)).

I , for one , still love the city.

Maybe we should talk about Rx-8s :)

I've been the carabana many times, my best friend is from Trinidad so I'm forced to go :)

Carabana is only dangerous if your looking for a fight.. If you just go about your business you won't have to worry about anything..

And I suspect the reason why people say it's the americans is because of the select few morons that run around our streets screaming

"MIA BITCH, MIA (meaning miami i think), YOU WANT SOME YOU NEW YORK PUNKS, HUH!@!! HUH!!@! DON'T MAKE ME HURT YOU" That's to name a few comments i've overheard while wandering the streets.

And please don't try and tell me i'm being stereotyping because I've seen it with my own eyes!! Carabana can become a giant pissing match, but that doesn't always happen nor am I implying it has always happend..

Remember, this is supposed to be for both older people and younger people a like! I guess carabana has gotten a bad rap because no matter what anyone says crime does increase during this time. Blame it on the summer, blame it on the full moon, or blame it on carabana but it happens..

I hope I didn't offend anyone, but i'm only telling you i have personally seen. And like I mentioned in my previous post, my friend witnessed people throwing rocks at a police horse during Carabana. who cares where they're from, but do you think this is normal for toronto? of course not!!

Thanks for the explanation MrJynx. I'm not offended.

Not worthy of a response.



So you are saying that events where people dance alongside decorated floats are the real problem.



Your above comment is a blatant stereotype. And frankly I apologize on your behalf to any Ohio,NY and foreign readers that come and spend their much needed tourist dollars in our city.

I've said enough on this topic.

Lawyer ... I truly believe that you have not been on Yonge st during the evening of Carabana. During the day with the floats ... it is VERY tame compared to the evening. There is nothing wrong with the people during the day as they are mainly common folk, and families. I dare you to walk down Yonge during the Carabana in the evening and come back saying the samething. Oh make sure to say hi to the 6 man police patrols for me.

You really think that my comment on the trouble makers being American and foreign is stereotypical? Once again, go down there to see and look at all the plates. I'm sure you're more inteligent to think that I mean ALL Americans and foreigners act this way.

To add to what Mr. Jynx said ... I too have witness the hooligans causing trouble. Not the police horses but guys hooting at girls, staring each other down, and guys with video cams harassing girls.

ya this one place charged 50 Rias to get in and gave me a credit card thing.. But the cool thing was it had 50 rias on it so as long as you drink that much it didn't really cost anything.. hehehe, when the girl who asked what my name was I told her, and she put in her system "Gringo" hahaha made me laugh :)

Oh and as for copacabana, all I have to say is remember that club Help? now that was the most messed up place i've ever been!! Lonely planet said "largest club in latin america!" so my friend and I were like ok, let's check it out.. it should have said "largest brothel in south america" :eek: it smelled funny to :)

But I love south america, can't wait to go back.. already been to brazil, uraguay and argentina! :)

MrJynx

You know what, we probably went to similar clubs with the credit card thing and all. Ha ha ... Gringo ... should have thought of that.

We went to HELP as well cuz our guide book also said it was the "biggest and most happening". It didn't say that most of the girls were hookers!!

I could not believe how many times I was hit on in HELP. Cool place though ! And walking back to the hotel at 3 in the morning. Topless (and bottomless) hookers. Good times !

There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.

And you can have it! Nobody else in the country likes it, so we have a saw off. Those that love the place- those that hate it. You have to love what it is all about to appreciate it all. Unanimous opinion of the rest of us in the country Torontonians are mostly ignorant of anywhere outside of their concrete jungle, look down on those same outsiders and their opinions and attitudes, and are cafe & latte Socialists. They are some of the only Canadians that have sunburns on the insides of their nostrils!

That is enough for most of us to stay the hell away!

Enjoy!

I think I just hear about it more than I used to (internet, cbc in the morning instead of the rock station, tv)).

I , for one , still love the city.



Listening to the Communist Broadcasting Corporation will rot your brain and turn you into a brie eating socialist.


Let's talk RX8's! And .. NO BRIE ON THE SEATS! ;)

I could not believe how many times I was hit on in HELP. Cool place though ! And walking back to the hotel at 3 in the morning. Topless (and bottomless) hookers. Good times !

You know ... at first we thought we were pimp daddies! I thought because in Brazil there aren't many asian people, I was a novelty. I never did see the topless/bottomless hookers though. ha ha.

And you can have it! Nobody else in the country likes it, so we have a saw off. Those that love the place- those that hate it. You have to love what it is all about to appreciate it all. Unanimous opinion of the rest of us in the country Torontonians are mostly ignorant of anywhere outside of their concrete jungle, look down on those same outsiders and their opinions and attitudes, and are cafe & latte Socialists. They are some of the only Canadians that have sunburns on the insides of their nostrils!

That is enough for most of us to stay the hell away!

Enjoy!

How can you say no one else in the country likes it? I'd be interrested to hear the reason why someone in Nova Scotia would hate Toronto.

I'm not sure where you get the "ignorant" thing from, if by ignorant you mean that we may not appear to know much about anything outside the GTA, and in some cases that is probably true, but keep in mind that over half the people that live here were born elsewhere.

As for the rest of us, we're probably just simply caught up in the way of life here, and unless something affects us directly, we probably don't care. Same as you probably don't care about what happens in Flin Flon.

I'm not tryingto start a flame war, I'm just stating my viewpoint

Well Without getting stereotypical

Caribanna can be great as there is definitely a good time to be had.

BUT

You have to becareful at the night parties... Those things can spin way out of control at the drop of a hat and mainly because Caribanna is (as mentioned quite fittingly early) a major pissing match and there is an insane amount of ignorance that follows suit

How can you say no one else in the country likes it? I'd be interrested to hear the reason why someone in Nova Scotia would hate Toronto.

I'm not sure where you get the "ignorant" thing from, if by ignorant you mean that we may not appear to know much about anything outside the GTA, and in some cases that is probably true, but keep in mind that over half the people that live here were born elsewhere.

As for the rest of us, we're probably just simply caught up in the way of life here, and unless something affects us directly, we probably don't care. Same as you probably don't care about what happens in Flin Flon.

I'm not tryingto start a flame war, I'm just stating my viewpointIf a survey was done across Canada asking people "What Canadian city do you hate the most?", Toronto would undoubtedly win. (Of course, Toronto couldn't be included in the survey as they'd skew the results...they do have about 13% of Canada's population).

This is sad, but true. I'm not sure why, but that's just the way it is.

And you can have it! Nobody else in the country likes it, so we have a saw off. Those that love the place- those that hate it. You have to love what it is all about to appreciate it all. Unanimous opinion of the rest of us in the country Torontonians are mostly ignorant of anywhere outside of their concrete jungle, look down on those same outsiders and their opinions and attitudes, and are cafe & latte Socialists. They are some of the only Canadians that have sunburns on the insides of their nostrils!

That is enough for most of us to stay the hell away!

Enjoy!
Such hostility.

So you've spent quite a bit of time in Toronto, have you ?

Sounds like a bit of Toronto-envy happening :D