Alright, well I've been dating this girl for a year and 8 months and I am completly in love with her. Lately she left me and I've been miserable. I decided I am going to write her a note of basically all our history, our memories, and the future. Please let me know what I should do

Breeana,

I am writing you this letter because I feel as though I can explain things a lot easier through a letter than on the phone because I always start to cry. The past few days I’ve really thought about the person I am and the history between us. We started that one day in July where I, at the time, was single, lost, and alone, IM’ed you talking about Tech N9ne. That was not the only reason why I IM’ed you, but it was because you were a stunning and beautiful girl. We began to talk and our personalities began to mend into one. We had a lot in common, music, movies, and just our morals. We talked months after month and I really wanted to meet this beautiful girl that I was talking to. You invited me over and I couldn’t believe that you looked even better in person, even if you did have that little bump on your foot. I remember talking to you, shy, yet very happy to be with you and finally meet you. From that day, I felt like I could really get to know you, we went over to Eric’s house, played with his dog and played Street Fighter and I couldn’t wipe a smile off my face. You were so beautiful with your smile and your eyes gleaming the lights of the video game screen. We talked for hours and hours online and we finally went a movie together with my friend Chris Tower. I remember picking you up and having to go over and meet your Mom and Eric at Eric’s house. I talked to them for a while, they gave me the rules, and Eric joked with me. We finally went on our way, and you felt embarrassed, but I didn’t care, I was with you. We went to see the movie SWAT at AMC 14, you sat in between my friend and I and my heart was beating so fast. I was scared, nervous, and I couldn’t think straight. You were telling me that my friend kept staring at you and it scared you, so I told you that maybe we should make it look like we are a couple, and you said maybe we should and that was the first time I put my arm around you. You rested your head against my shoulder, my heart was racing and I was really nervous, but I was happy, I smiled the whole movie. I brought you home after the movie, and I gave you my first kiss. I hugged you, looked into your eyes, smiled, and you smiled, and then I went and gave you a kiss on your left cheek. We held each other and smiled as we finally let go and went home. I was so happy. Days passed, months passed and we talked forever. I met your friend Alyse and things were just great. You guys played a trick on me. Alyse packed flour in a baggy and said it was cocaine and I was stunned and didn’t know what to think. Then after a moment of silence, you guys busted out laughing. Then Alyse popped the bag and it spilt all over your moms leather couch and we all laughed together. Things were great until I remember just calling you up a couple times to see if you wanted to go out again and you would always be busy. I’d call, ask, and be denied. The next couple days, I’d call, ask and be denied. Something was not right, maybe I had scared you away, maybe I wasn’t attractive, I don’t know, but we stopped talking for a while. Then, after about a couple of months, I IM’ed you just to talk, and that was the first time I found out you had a boyfriend, Jeff. You forgot who I was, so I sent you a picture again, and you remembered. I just remember what you wrote “Wow, you are hot!” and “Damn, I am missing out” A smile came onto my face, the same smile that I had when I put my arm around you, yet I was hurt. You had a boyfriend yet we talked about it. You told me how you weren’t happy, he didn’t treat you well, he was immature, and you had feelings for me. You went through a lot then, you were confused, but I fought for you because I knew I could give you so much more. I knew I could take care of you, I knew I could make you feel safe, I knew that I could give you everything I had. I remember hanging out at Alyse’s house, wanting to feel that love of you again but I couldn’t. I respected you and that you had a boyfriend. Then one day you said you were going to dump Jeff and that day I remember lying in Alyse’s driveway and under a blanket and just watching the stars with you. I wanted to hold you, but I didn’t want to move too fast. Then, when I was leaving, we had our first real kiss. I felt as things were really going to work out for us until the next day, you text me saying that you got back together with Jeff and I just started to cry. I was confused, you were confused, and we didn’t know what we were doing. You went through a lot of hard times during those times. Your heart was torn in two. Then finally, you told me you broke up with Jeff for good. I wanted to be with you right away, but we took our time. We just hung out with Alyse’s and your house. We played with Simba, who was just a pup at that time. School had started and we couldn’t stop talking to each other. While in school, I was busy texting you and seeing how your day was. Checking messages and trying not to get caught by my teachers. I was happy to be talking to you, but scared of you getting back with Jeff again. I was still hurting and we talked about a relationship between us. You were saying how you were not ready and I respected that, but I wanted to be with you, I knew I could give you so much more. You were scared of getting hurt again as you told me about how all your relationships in the past were horrible and they didn’t treat you with any respect. After about two to three months of talking, we were sitting on your bed together with our song playing in the background and we looked into each others eyes and I asked you out. You said yes and I was so happy. From that day on, November 16th, 2003, my heart was yours. I held you, I loved you, I kissed you, I got to not only know you better and better, but your family, your mom, your dad, your brother, your friends. I remember when you first met my friends, the Super Bowl party at Kevin Watkin’s house. You were so shy at first, but you really opened up with the “You’re just jealous” saying. We all laughed, we joked with each other, and you saw Kevin Rule think that he broke his jaw even though he was talking. February 1st, 2004 was the day. Your birthday and the first time we really became one. There were many times that you wanted to before, but we were caught up in the moment and I didn’t want to take advantage of that. We waited and I wanted it to be special for you. I believe that was the day where we really shared each others love the most. From then on there are so many memories between us. We’d laugh so much together, my life was perfect with you. Remember when we went to Tahoe together and that was such a great time. I remember when we were in Reno, we had our pennies and as we rode down the escalator together, we threw our pennies into each well making a wish. All three times I wished to live a happy life with you and to spend the rest of our lives together. When we got at the bottom of the escalator, I asked you what you wished for and after a few words and a smile; we knew that we had both wished for the same thing. Days went by, anniversaries passed, and every moment I was with you, I had the same smile on my face when I first put my arm around you. I remember for our one year anniversary, we went to Kyoto’s Palace. I remember when the cook tried to flip chicken into my mouth and I didn’t catch it twice, I was embarrassed because I wanted to impress you. Just a small thing like that, I wanted to do for you. Do you remember our candle we blew out together when they brought out the ice cream? I still have it, I still have every note, every letter, every thing you’ve given me I keep and cherish. Every dance that we’ve gone to, every night we’ve spent together I’ve cherished and have enjoyed.
A year and eight months is how long we’ve lasted but I don’t think it’s the end. I knew something was wrong the past three days. You were separating yourself away from me. Hanging out with Christina, Susie, Patrick and Paul, your friends and I’d try and get a hold of you and you wouldn’t be there to pickup. You weren’t happy with me, we went to the pool together and I thought things were going to be fine. We cuddled in the pool, we held onto each other, I depended on you to keep me afloat and you depended on me. That day, July 15th, 2005, I knew something was wrong. I spent all day with my friends Kevin Rule and Scott Campbell and you spent your day with Susie and Patrick and Paul and their friends at the beach. I couldn’t get a hold of you once again because your phone was broken. All I could think of was you. We got home and I knew something was wrong. I asked if you wanted to go bowling or if you wanted to talk. When you said you wanted to talk, my heart raced, I was scared of the worst, so I asked if it was good or bad news. You made a sad face and I dropped. I rushed over to talk and you finally told me. “I can’t pretend anymore, I don’t feel wanted, things are just not the same anymore and I can’t pretend anymore” I looked at your eyes, scared, afraid and alone. I didn’t know how to react; I didn’t know what was happening. All I could do was cry, I wanted to hold you but I was scared, I wanted you to hold me, but your touch would burn. I went to say goodbye to Eric, I went to say goodbye to your mom, she stood up and gave me a hug and I just started to cry. I didn’t want to say goodbye, I’ve never done this before, I wanted to say so much to her but I couldn’t speak, I was paralyzed. I went to my car where you were waiting for me and we were crying, you gave me a kiss and I got in my car and sped off. I didn’t know what I was thinking. That whole night I couldn’t stop crying, stop thinking about you, replaying your words over and over in my head trying to understand. I could not come to mind that it was over. I tried to go to sleep that night but I couldn’t. I was sweating, I would close my eyes and just remember you, remember me lying on your bed telling me that you can’t pretend anymore, and that you don’t feel wanted. I called you and I couldn’t help myself, I cried and begged to come over just to hold you. I was able to come over at 1AM in the morning and we just lay in your bed holding each other, crying, it seemed like we were never going to let each other go. I didn’t want to let you go, I felt so happy and safe with you in my arms. Protecting you and breathing the same air you were. I finally said I had to leave, I tucked you in, I gave you a final kiss on your left cheek, and just how everything began with a kiss on that same cheek. The past two days after our break up, I’ve been miserable. I’ve thrown up three times; I’ve cried all the time, the most I’ve eaten was a piece of bread and four bites of a salad. I can’t sleep; all I can think of is you. I’ve talked to a lot of my friends and they all say I can do better, but they don’t understand. They don’t know how it is to be in love with an amazing girl like you. I don’t understand, I love you so much; I can not be without you. You say how you do not feel wanted, but I want to sacrifice everything for you, I want to be with you, I need to be with you, I am worthless without you. You are the person that brings a smile to my face, my family, my friends; everyone knows how happy you make me. Although I don’t ask a lot from Him very often, I have driven up to our spot every night and I prayed to God, praying on my knees looking up to the sky to keep you safe, to make things better, to make you happy again, to give me another chance. I cry to him looking out at the lights and the clouds. I am on my knees baby, you make me complete, I will give you everything you need and never let you get hurt again, I love you with everything that I have and I want to sacrifice everything to be with you and make you feel both loved and wanted. I love you baby with all my heart.

Brian Watson

Sorry about no paragraphs, I just typed it out and I'm hand writing it

Let it go and move on. Have some self respect for yourself. She dumped you remember?

Write it out, and then either burn it or tuck it away somewhere safe. That might help give you closure just to get it out. But don't give it to her. My ex tried this, and honestly, all it did was annoy me. I'm not trying to be harsh, but it's really better that you don't give something like that to her.

:(

hmmm...hate to seem insensitive, but...

cliffsnotes? that is long as hell.

If she dump you, then you two were not meant to be. You need to buck up and move on. You might run into someone else that is better. Don't be a big fish in a small pond, you want to be in the ocean so you can have a pick of who ever you want to spend the rest of your life with. I think I am drunk. Be happy, move on. I know, I know, it's too early to be drunk. :D

read part of it..I am going to use some tough love on you (slaping you in face) SNAP OUT OF IT! If you send that..she wins. You lose whatever is left of your dignity and self respect...she laughs at you while screwing whoever her new guy is. DO not send this. It will not make any differance at all.

Brian

Way too long to read but i read the first and last few sentences. From what I get out of this letter... it recaps your past with her, good and bad and then you beg her back in the closing....am I correct?

Word of advice?

Let it go, my man... let it go

1) I know it hurts but why would you want to be with someone who doesnt want you?

2) Don't beg for ANYTHING.. NOTHING. You have to love yourself bro.. you have to love and respect yourself. You have to see yourself as worth more than that and in return others will see you in the same light. Even if she were to take you back it wont be the same... she wont respect you and it will definitely show.... resulting in you getting hurt even more

suck it up and move on.. your arent the first or the last to experience this.

you can do it!

OK, I took the time to read the whole thing. Brian, you deserve someone who will feel the same way about you as you do her. Remember, she lied to you at the very beginning...you sound like a nice guy...you deserve better. Move on...she's not worthy of you.

^ why the fuck would you waste that time to write that or type it? move on and find some new p

I might be one of the few who actually DID read all of this. (And it was loong)

I dont think you posted this to get useful answers, because you will only get the same info I am sure your friends are giving you, "You deserve better," "Buck up", "She doesnt deserve you". When you have fallen this deeply for someone, hearing things like that do no good. I have been in that situation before, and if you feel anything like I felt at the time, then I am sure you couldnt give a rat's ass about "self respect" or letting her "win", so long as she is in your life, you would probably be happy to just grovel at her feet.

BUT, it doesnt work that way. At least it didnt in my situation. You can't force a relationship to work, you can only accept that things can, will, and probably have changed, between the both of you, and within the both of you. "Do the Evolution" because nothing is constant, and NOTHING is forever. Keep those cherished memories of her in your heart and remember the feelings the both of you have shared. Wallowing in the pain of your break up will only ruin what goodness the both of you recieved for such a short period.

She told you point blank that something was missing in the relationship. If you love her, then let her find whatever it is she feels is missing. And while she does that, you need to stand up tall, wear your bruised heart with pride, and get on with your life. Because even if her paths eventually leads back to your doorstep, doesnt mean she will reconcile with a damaged man, even if it was she who damaged him in the first place.

Every man and woman alive has been through something like this. So take heart that you are not alone. My best advise is this. LET IT BE. Let her go her way, and you go yours. Keep her in your heart always, because obviously she has been a very important factor in your recent life. If it was meant to be, in the end, then it will be. If not, then you will not have wasted time in your life chasing the unattainable.

Much love...............and I feel for you. :(

yeah, even if you could get her back by groveling, it wouldnt be worth it. you need to remember that there is/was a reason that you guys arent still shacked up, as long as you remember that it may hurt but you will know that it was for the better.

I read all of it.. She probably won't. I agree with Elara, it's rather annoying. I'm not just telling you this. I've been where you are and it's better if you don't give it to her. Keep it as a reminder to yourself for later. You may even re-read it and think "WTF"?

Sorry she broke up with you on MY birthday. If you want to write her tell her she f'd up MY birthday!

Seriously though, the letter comes off quite creepy with such detail..

If you want to re-write it make it shorter, make a point, don't beg, don't remind her of the past (it's the past that got you where you are now.)


Sorry to seem harsh, but you'll be better for the entire experience if you don't let it drag you down... Oh and watch "Swingers".

yeah, swingers is a great movie, its kinda hard to watch because the guy just screws himself over so many times in the start of the movie.

I did read it all, and also agree with Elara: put it away and don't pull it out until you've found the RIGHT lady for you. You'll be sooooo happy you didn't give it to Breanna, and you'll marvel at how far you've come since this breakup.

I believe people come into our lives for a reason, and she came into yours to teach you what to look for next time around, and what type of lady constitutes a good girlfriend (she does NOT). Learn something from it, and move on. You'll be happier in the long run. Hang in there, Brian. Things will get better (read the "I Guess It's the Season" thread to see what I mean).

Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I've talked to her today, I did give it to her and she laughed and cried. We held each other and we kissed every now and then and held each other. At the end, I asked her now what and she just said that she needs time, needs to discover who she is and then she will always remember me. We are still wearing our rings on our hands as a symbol of rememberance I guess you can say. I took mine off, but kept it on my key chain but she was still wearing it and told me to put it back on.

I think that if I want the best for her, I need to respect her and give her her space, I will just give her a call every now and then, maybe take her out to a movie in just a surprise or something. Take her to the beach, who knows. Just show her how much fun she can have with me. She was saying how depressed she was the past few days. She is feeling the same pain I am. I think that if I just give her time, give her space away from me, yet call her and see her every now and then, she will see that I really do care for her and just see how things go from then.

I love this girl with all my heart, like you guys said, I need to respect myself, wear my hurt with pride and respect what I have done for her and for myself and live my life. If our paths meet again, we will just be that much stronger.

If our paths meet again, we will just be that much stronger.

Bravo! ;)

^ cut all ties. dont try and "show her how much fun she can have with me" Find someone new and dont think about her anymore. She made her choice and you should respect that, her intrest level is so low that you wont be able to restore it. go to askmen.com and read the articles on relationships, hopefully that will get you to not be all wrapped around this girls finger

THere will be plenty more women that you will love with all your heart in years to come. Some you can be friends with, some you cant. Some you will never even date.

Okay, I still didn't get a cliffsnotes, but here's what I think.

Go get laid. Life's too short to dwell on one chick. Go on a spree, and just be single. The single life is the shit. Eventually a girl worth keeping will come around.

wsoot shaolin. sport fucking >3!

I think that he is too emotional to do something like that...

^^^Well he's thinking with the wrong head.

I've been in this situation. Just remember one thing, you gave it all you had. If thats not enough then it wasn't meant to be. I know how shitty you feel right now because I felt the same way.

Don't be clingy right now because she needs her space. If you really want her back then live your own life and if you happen to see or talk to her "Everything is going great! Couldn't be better." No matter how shitty things are keep a smile on your face.

I pulled this and ended up getting back with her and getting married. Now I've been with her for almost 9 years.

Hang in there. I suggest going out with your friends, getting drunk, and getting laid with as many women as possible. It'll make you feel better. Trust me.

there is a wrong head?

Hang in there. I suggest going out with your friends, getting drunk, and getting laid with as many women as possible. It'll make you feel better. Trust me.

yoda speaks with great advice

wow, i didnt know you could make a rehookup work, nicely done!

You can if you don't try. It's trickey.

I am going through the same thing right now. Except that I was with my girl for eight years. We are not totally broken up, just a separation break right now, because we both got too dependant on each other, and cannot live without each other. We lost our independence and we are both trying to get it back, and then see where that leads us. I'm not losing a girl, I feel like I'm almost losing a wife. This just happened two weeks ago, so I am feeling very lonely and abandoned right now. Weekends are the worst, because I don't have work to keep me busy. Days are soooo long and painful, but everybody's right. You just have to live your life. Get out there with very close friends that are understanding and do stuff you enjoy. It will help ease the pain. You know what is working for me right now? Loud, non-love themed, fast songs in my 8 while hitting the beep zone on a long curvy road. Just make sure you are able to drive responsibly. Don't do no stupid stuff.

i bet, sounds like a real bad minefield to wander into

You know I've been there, done that with the whole note thing. It sometimes works and even then only temporarily. I dated a girl for 5 years. OK we broke up a couple of times briefly in there. Used the note thing, got her back. All seemed well. Remember 5 years! You're at 8 months. She called me one day to inform me that she was pregnant. Since she was off at school and I hadn't seen her in almost 3 months, guess who it didn't belong to? The sad thing was that she had only been off at school less than 4 months by then. Yup those letters and all the crying about it sure paid off. That call hurt worse than anything previous to it.

Had another girlfriend who was extremely hot. Fell for her very quickly. Got along great with her and was totally content. Couldn't have asked for anything more. She was a little impatient though. That should have beena sign. She called me on the phone one day to tell me that her last name had changed. What's the most common way for a woman's last name to get changed? That's right, she got married! She saw a friend of hers she hadn't seen in a while. He always liked her and he NOW had enough money to look very attractive to her. Remember the impatient thing. She asked him to marry her 2 weeks after she saw him again and he did. Meanwhile I was dating her. She saw him when I was at work.

You don't have it bad at all. Things happen for a reason. They can get worse for you believe me. If she left you once, she WILL DO IT AGAIN. You can bet on it! My best friend's wife kept breaking up with him back when they were dating since she always found a bigger better deal with someone else. She'd come back to him after it fell apart and he always took her. They got married. A year after their first child was born she cheated on him. Then she went home to tell him about it. As usualy he stuck with her but he is not happy in his marriage and remembers it every day. They have 2 kids. If she doesn't want you back, let her go. Dont' talk to her again. Don't be her friend. It doesn't work. If you do get back with her and she eventually leaves you again, kick yourself hard and move on. I've been through too much crap and seen others go through crap when they shouldn't have. Emotions suck sometimes.

I dont agree with what everyone is saying. check your pms.

case and point my parents. dated for 3 years, broke up. 2 years later started dating again. 1 year later engaged, 1 more year later married.

that was 25 years ago.... dont get your hopes up by this but dont let people tell you giving up is the only way out.

maybe stuff like that happened 25 years ago, but i dont think the game is the same and the rules have definitly changed

Dude,

I truly feel for you. I read this thing, and it honestly made me sick to my stomach to hear about someone pouring their heart out like that and just getting it trashed.

Just about all of us have felt the extreme rejection that love has to offer.

It's like getting over a drug addiction, you were addicted to her! You couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, cried all the time, threw up. It hurts so much to think of her, and yet you can't stop.

But, as with anything in life, just give it time, and the pain will lessen. In time this wound will heal and eventually form a scar that will be with you for the rest of your life, but you have to realize that life is what you make it. You could spend the rest of your life dewlling on this moment or any other painful memory, but you alone have the power to pull yourself out of this.

As suggested before, party with your guy friends, get plastered, drive your 8! ( though dont do all those in that order ;) ) This is a tough addiction to break, your going to need some serious fun to help you get over it. Take a nice fun vacation! Just try to keep your mind occupied, the busier it is, the less it will wander to these thoughts.

feel better!

wow man, you remind me of me with my first ex-gf! i couldn't get over her!

but hey man, hang in there, this is just one of those life long lessons, you'll meet someone way better!

So just as an update, I was hanging out with my friends and I called her to tell her that I am going to give her space and that if I truly respect her, that I need to respect her wants and give her space and that I am fine with that. I acted mature, I acted as if it wasn't bugging me and I just told her this. After I told her, I heard a quiet sniffle. I asked what was wrong and she was crying. She was crying non-stop so I asked her if she wanted me to come over to talk to her cause I was leaving my friends and she said yes. I go over there and we lay down in her bed together and she is crying and tells me that her grandpa has cancer. We held each other and I comfort her as she cried and telling her that I am always here to help her. After a while, we just start talking and just start laughing and having a good time, seems like everything is back together again, we fool around and everything. At the end of the night as she walks me to my car, she gives me a kiss good night and we hug each other goodbye and everything and I asked what now and she says, don't worry, time will tell.

It's so weird, when I am with her, we are back "together" she is kissing me, holding me, etc etc, but then if I ask what is happening between us now, she says that time will tell. So weird and confusing, but I am feeling a lot better and not hurting anymore. I'm taking things slow, I asked if I could call her tomorrow night, she said yes. I just basically told her I'm going to give her her time and space and every now and then I'll give her a call and we can talk to see how our days are going and just ever now and then we can go out or something. We will see like she says, time will tell.

Having a mature breakup, or a breakup where both parties are so mad they didn't want to talk to eachother at the time is MUCH different from when the guy is pining over the girl.. even if she does still feel something for him, she will QUICKLY get over it when he's acting more "female" than she is.

I dont agree with what everyone is saying. check your pms.

case and point my parents. dated for 3 years, broke up. 2 years later started dating again. 1 year later engaged, 1 more year later married.

that was 25 years ago.... dont get your hopes up by this but dont let people tell you giving up is the only way out.

Ok,

This is GREAT.. now is a really good time to break up with her. Especially after the Grandpa news.. It's not mean because she's using you for emotional support knowing how you feel. She has no intention of getting back together long term.. "we'll see" = "no" More specifically "No, but i'll let you think yes until something better comes along.. what time is it again?"


So just as an update, I was hanging out with my friends and I called her to tell her that I am going to give her space and that if I truly respect her, that I need to respect her wants and give her space and that I am fine with that. I acted mature, I acted as if it wasn't bugging me and I just told her this. After I told her, I heard a quiet sniffle. I asked what was wrong and she was crying. She was crying non-stop so I asked her if she wanted me to come over to talk to her cause I was leaving my friends and she said yes. I go over there and we lay down in her bed together and she is crying and tells me that her grandpa has cancer. We held each other and I comfort her as she cried and telling her that I am always here to help her. After a while, we just start talking and just start laughing and having a good time, seems like everything is back together again, we fool around and everything. At the end of the night as she walks me to my car, she gives me a kiss good night and we hug each other goodbye and everything and I asked what now and she says, don't worry, time will tell.

It's so weird, when I am with her, we are back "together" she is kissing me, holding me, etc etc, but then if I ask what is happening between us now, she says that time will tell. So weird and confusing, but I am feeling a lot better and not hurting anymore. I'm taking things slow, I asked if I could call her tomorrow night, she said yes. I just basically told her I'm going to give her her time and space and every now and then I'll give her a call and we can talk to see how our days are going and just ever now and then we can go out or something. We will see like she says, time will tell.

I agree with Guy. She's just using you as a crying towel. Make love to her one last time and secretly tape it. When she dumps you the second time....POST IT!

Hell hath no greater fury than a man scorned. :p

Also, never ask permission to call.. either tell her you'll call in a couple days or just call.

If you feel you need to give her time you don't need to TELL her that you're giving her time...

Ok,

This is GREAT.. now is a really good time to break up with her. Especially after the Grandpa news.. It's not mean because she's using you for emotional support knowing how you feel. She has no intention of getting back together long term.. "we'll see" = "no" More specifically "No, but i'll let you think yes until something better comes along.. what time is it again?"


Liten to guy..he is very wise..well, at least here he is giving some first rate advice.


And never forget the most important thing..women are evil. And due to the magic of estrogene, they can and will go nuts on you. You will never be able to understand thier logic, because there is no usually, and they do not understand themselves. They just do what "feels right" for them which changes with the levels of horemones in thier system. Case in point, a young lady here posted that she had broken up with her boyfriend, and was gonna be upset and have a few crappy days. :eek:

You are gonna have a few crappy weeks, if not months. Hence the differance.

SOme more things to remember.

1: God made them from a rib...not a brain cell.

2: who was responsible for the expulsion from paradise?

(of course ladys..all of this is ment as humer.....but many a truth is said in jest. :p )

Also, never ask permission to call.. either tell her you'll call in a couple days or just call.

If you feel you need to give her time you don't need to TELL her that you're giving her time...

Yes that is right..establish dominance.

wish what???

I can sometimes understand women.. I'm a Cancer.

wish what???

I can sometimes understand women.. I'm a Cancer.


Typo..I fixed. as to the rest..homosaywhat? :p

I'm sensitive, not a buttdartboard :p

Typo..I fixed. as to the rest..homosaywhat? :p

I agree with guy and klegg, she is just using you. This will only lead to further heartbreak for you if you dont get yourself out of there. Its just waiting for the other shoe to fall.

dude its easy to get obsessed, its harder to play the situation correctly. You need to let her know that she hurt you and that she wont get the chance to use you. If she can truly show you she loves you sometime down the road well then you'll cross that road when you come to it...right now however you are beggin to get back in this relationship and no one likes a beggar. Be strong, confident and assertive...it sounds crass but these are highly masculine qualities and something women are attracted to in most cases.

Ferras, lend him one of your honeys so he can make her jelous.

Ferras, lend him one of your honeys so he can make her jelous.


hmm it seems you read about my situation and didnt give me a suggestion!!! lol

You didn't need help :p

Klegg is right..

Grasp her by the neck assertively but lightly.. DO NOT CHOKE, BRUISE OR ABUSE HER.. then look into her eyes with a crazy look then let her go.

This is how I keep my cats in line.

Yes that is right..establish dominance.

Hey Ferras,

I JUST NOW looked in the it's the season thread for the first time in 2 months..

I didn't read about your problems when I wrote the above.. I just knew about the women from before :0

everyone thinks im like a player or sleeping around or something when i start discussing women, im totally not as successful as everyone makes me out to be.

I know..

I was joking.. I had known about #1 and #2 and that's what I was joking about, knowing they were your "problem" women and thinking you might want to pass one on to hitter ;)

I know..

I was joking.. I had known about #1 and #2 and that's what I was joking about, knowing they were your "problem" women and thinking you might want to pass one on to hitter ;)

actually if it was socially acceptable id like to have both

Dude, go pick up some bar slut and have a good mindless good time. That will help you snap right out of it. And if that doesn't work, then take a serious look in your pants ... you may be missing something of importance ...

Liten to guy..he is very wise..well, at least here he is giving some first rate advice.


And never forget the most important thing..women are evil. And due to the magic of estrogene, they can and will go nuts on you. You will never be able to understand thier logic, because there is no usually, and they do not understand themselves. They just do what "feels right" for them which changes with the levels of horemones in thier system. Case in point, a young lady here posted that she had broken up with her boyfriend, and was gonna be upset and have a few crappy days. :eek:

You are gonna have a few crappy weeks, if not months. Hence the differance.

SOme more things to remember.

1: God made them from a rib...not a brain cell.

2: who was responsible for the expulsion from paradise?

(of course ladys..all of this is ment as humer.....but many a truth is said in jest. :p )


so true.

us men may be physically tough, but emotionally, i don't know about you, but i'm as weak as a bitch in heat :o

HardHitter,
I MAY be wrong, but I am starting to doubt it after your last post. Seems to me she may have an interest in another man. But as of now, he has paid little to no attention to her advances, and this has her confused. So rather then break up with you completely, she is stringing you along for emotional support. But should this new guy finally notice her, she will drop you like a bad habit, and when you get upset, she give you the "I have been trying to break up with you for a while now" routine.

Take her to a quiet place for a chat, DONT ASK, but TAKE her! Tell her to make up her mind. If she babbles any "maybes", or "I don't knows" then get the hell out of dodge. If you think you hurt now, you dont want to know what you will feel like a year from now when you are still back at square one, and have made a living fool of yourself to mutual friends, and family members.

wow, glad i'm not the only one who has gone through this BS in the past.

My only advise is don't fool yourself by thinking she is somebody who she really isn't (ie. you see her antics/personality as perfect, yet she screws you around all the time but you don't see it that way, LOVE IS BLIND).

It sounds like the relationship was a little one sided. Shit, i hate it when that happens. Your totally in love with someone who does not reciprocate.. But hey, better days are upon you. One day you WILL wake up and think to yourself "what the hell was I thinking!?!".



MrJynx

So just as an update, I was hanging out with my friends and I called her to tell her that I am going to give her space and that if I truly respect her, that I need to respect her wants and give her space and that I am fine with that. I acted mature, I acted as if it wasn't bugging me and I just told her this.

You are in "sick puppy" mode. Women tend to see that as pathetic at best; downright annoying at worst. You're out with friends but still can't stop obsessing. You're NOT giving her space when you call to tell her about how you're going to give her space. Maybe you'll get back together or maybe you won't. But smothering her isn't going to help. Give her a chance to breathe and make up her mind on her own. You've let her know how you feel. Now at least step back and let her make the next move. In the meantime work on centering yourself and finding an identity outside of your passion for her. Then you will have something more to bring to the relationship if it's meant to be. Or, you'll have something more to bring to the next relationship.

WATCH SWINGERS tonight.

I think it all depends on the purpose of her break up.

If she just met a guy and is interested then this break up is for the best. Don't bother with her any more.

If she needs time to think and left you for that, then sure wait for her; but just tell her that you're going to be waiting for her. The letter thing is a little much and is pretty much saying that you're going to smother her if she comes back.

If she needs space and left you for that, then consider giving her more space and trying to get her back but giving her space when (or if) you do get her back. Again, the letter thing would pretty much signal to her that she won't have any space if she did come back.

If she wants to know if there's more out there, then consider giving her time. This is different because it's like "I want to see how the single life is now" rather than "I want a relationship with someone else."

If she's breaking up with you because someone else caught her eye, then she's really not worth trying to win back. Just because it's a sign of a problem that's likely to happen in the future. She's going to meet a lot of guys and if she's attractive and has a good personality, a lot of those guys are going to hit on her. If she's the type to seriously consider dropping you for a new guy now, then what makes you think she won't feel like doing it later?

WATCH SWINGERS tonight.
That movie is money!

WATCH SWINGERS tonight.


oh gawd I hated that movie

hardhitter = Mikey

Wow, this thread really hits the spot for me.

I just broke up with my girlfriend a few days ago. I've been a real mess since. But, I'm kind of in a wierd situation. We've known each other for years now but only started dating last May (2004). Unfortunately she's been in Arizona and I've been in Texas and both unable to move (right away). So, nothing really went wrong...it was just hard to keep her feeling romantic over such a long distance. Sometimes a single hug could have solved many problems that took hours over a phone, and even then things didn't always heal right. I think the pressure of being apart for so long and having different lives finally got to her where she wasn't willing to wait for me to move any longer.

So, I think the possibility for dating again in the future is there. The question is, do I want to? There were so many GREAT things about her, but also there were things that annoyed the heck out of me. I don't know. What is weird is that even as I was just lying on my bed feeling devastated is that there WAS a part of me that was able to stay objective about it. "Now you can date other people!" it said. But I don't WANT to date other people! "Yeah but she is mean!" No she's not...not when she wasn't feeling confused about where our relationship was going. etc., for hours. My point is I'm surprised I've been able to come up with some lucid thoughts in the middle of being totally wrecked emotionally.

Today I am feeling better (we'll see how tonight goes...nighttime is usually lonelier). She had said, and this is based off the advice of a mutual friend, that we shouldn't talk to each other for a week b/c this will make it easier. Frankly, to me this feels like a punishment, and I didn't even do anything wrong. Since I think I could talk to her without making a fool of myself, do you think I should call? I think this would project how quickly I got over the 'sick puppy" phase. I really would like to talk to her. She's been what has kept me from going insane with loneliness in the area i live in...

and, in other news, I started looking around online dating services...i think maybe finding someone else will help me get over this one. Sure is nervewracking to me though...going out and meeting someone you've never even heard of. I guess there's at least not much to lose.

i think i'm rambling...

WATCH SWINGERS tonight.


yes, just do not leave 13 messages.... that = bad news

That was my favorite scene.. sad thing is it's happened to me before.. not that bad.. but you call, and it rings but no machine picks up.. and you're SURE she has a machine so you hang up and call again thinking it was the wrong number.. then you call back and it rings and rings AGAIN.. and you hang up and try again.. this time no ring and the phone just sounds dead. so you hang up and try again.. then it goes directly to message then you try to talk, and the machine beeps and you realize it was the first beep to leave yor message but it takes you a second to put your thoughts together then you talk but it beeps and hangs up before you're finished, then you call back and the phone is off hook.. so you call back like 2 minutes later and it's still off hook and you think maybe you'll jsut call back in an hour.....

unpocoloco:

life hands us all different circumstances, and somethings are easier to deal with than others. In your case, timing seems to be the big issue. You can't be together because of work/family or whatever the case may be. To your quesiton about would you want to date her in the future? I say heck ya!... if the circumstances change to allow it to be succesful next time. As far as her having qualities that annoy the shit out of you goes, every girl in the world has some quirk that will bug you, but you deal with it.

Hopefully sometime the situation will change and you will achieve true happiness.

As far as her having qualities that annoy the shit out of you goes, every girl in the world has some quirk that will bug you, but you deal with it.

AMEN, it usually happens for 5 days a month.

^^ thats why you never call back that night. Minimum 2 day rule. In special circumstances, maybe the next day is OK (I wouldnt do it) but definately not the same night.

Hmm a girl I just met called me while she was standing NEXT to me (actually happens quite a bit) .. how come they can break the rules and we can't???

how long ago did you meet her?

HardHitter I feel ya lol, Ive been going out w/ my girl for just about the same time youve been goin out w/ her and I love her to death, and I dont picture myself with no one else except her. Anyways, I hang out with her EVERYDAY since we've been together....I go to the same university as her and I'm constanstly sending her text messages in class just like you. But one day she also told me she needed some time to herself and needed to find out who she was, so we took some time to ourselves b/c i also felt like i needed some time to myself as well. When your with someone so long you forget who you use to be and you begin to lose touch with your friends and family and just being independant.......well we ended up only taking about 2 weeks apart and were back together. To make my point across, If she wants to be with you She'll Come Back For Sure if Not well everything Happens for a Reason. Besides Ive written letters to my girl and she's loved it, Girls love to know how you feel about them. Dont listen to what others say....they'll never understand.

I lost this girl's number,.. it was about 2 weeks ago.. she called to leave me a message with her # and I deleted it by accident when I was letting a friend listen to it because she was drunk.

you live by the rules, you die by the rules

Did your letter's look like his?????


Your situation sounds completely different than his. All we are saying to him is to REALLY give her time to herself and not appear to be grovelling or totally unable to funtion without her. You hit the nail on the head when you said YOU also needed time away.. as does hardhitter.

Glad it worked out for you though!


Just remember, it isn't ALWAYS the other person.



HardHitter I feel ya lol, Ive been going out w/ my girl for just about the same time youve been goin out w/ her and I love her to death, and I dont picture myself with no one else except her. Anyways, I hang out with her EVERYDAY since we've been together....I go to the same university as her and I'm constanstly sending her text messages in class just like you. But one day she also told me she needed some time to herself and needed to find out who she was, so we took some time to ourselves b/c i also felt like i needed some time to myself as well. When your with someone so long you forget who you use to be and you begin to lose touch with your friends and family and just being independant.......well we ended up only taking about 2 weeks apart and were back together. To make my point across, If she wants to be with you She'll Come Back For Sure if Not well everything Happens for a Reason. Besides Ive written letters to my girl and she's loved it, Girls love to know how you feel about them. Dont listen to what others say....they'll never understand.

hardhitter = Mikey
lol, i was just gonna post the same thing! guy is right. she's using you. get a few beers, watch swingers and be like Vince Vaughn.

in all seriousness, it sounds like you've been nothing but upfront with this girl, and she's been wishy washy at best, now needy and using you for support. Just stop calling her. When she calls you, hit the clear button on your phone....as soon as you start doing that, magically other girls will start noticing you then one day when you don't care, you'll get a call and youll be over it, and she'll l understand she really messed up and shouldnt have been so wishy washy.

you know what that long heartful letter translated to her as? as this "i have this guy in the palm of my hands, "hell do whatever i say" ...its up to you to break the myth.

Hmm a girl I just met called me while she was standing NEXT to me (actually happens quite a bit) .. how come they can break the rules and we can't???
they have breasts.

cell phones are the devil. you give a girl your number and she calls you instantly... not that i ever gave out fake numbers (i would just say no) the instant call is always bad news.

yea escobar, your not really comparing apples to apples...

regardless, HH take time to decide what you are going to do. If it is over for the time being, i suggest cutting all ties and begin to rediscover who you are without her. you never know what will happen a few weeks, months or years done the road... but if you take the time now to get over it, she will have more respect for you later.

they have breasts.

cell phones are the devil. you give a girl your number and she calls you instantly... not that i ever gave out fake numbers (i would just say no) the instant call is always bad news.

what does the instant call mean, or what makes it bad news?(besides it being annoying)

It means they call you RIGHT away.. sometimes before they have left your presence..

Not really BAD.. but these girls are typically wild nympho types

what does the instant call mean, or what makes it bad news?(besides it being annoying)

it means the girl didnt believe you were giving her your real number. she was checking to see if you were playing her while still in your presence. That kind of instant distrust could be scary in the long run.....be careful!

yeah really. Guy, what are you talking about? it's bad. The instant call is instant death for her chances.

OH no, they call me because I tell them to call my phone :0

I never ask a girl to call me. Either i ask for her # or she asks for mine and I tell her to call and leave it on my phone.

It means they call you RIGHT away.. sometimes before they have left your presence..

Not really BAD.. but these girls are typically wild nympho types

i know what it means i have enough IQ to be able to take words from context and figure them out but i mean whats the intent and the purpose/motives for them doing that to you? anywho i kind of get the idea now after your reply, ive had this done twice and was completely confused...oh well the girls im talking to are just dumb giggly 16-18 year olds anyway...they do far more confusing/illogical things...

THe other guys had different opinions, I guess I get them.. but I don't know giggly girls..

um...well generally not quite fully matured teens who laugh and giggle at everything with their buddies

seems to me that women as a whole have a lot more respect for guys if they have certain standards that they stick to, like the whole calling thing or allowing personal time. Plus i would think you would want to keep yer distance unless yer married and shit

read part of it..I am going to use some tough love on you (slaping you in face) SNAP OUT OF IT! If you send that..she wins. You lose whatever is left of your dignity and self respect...she laughs at you while screwing whoever her new guy is. DO not send this. It will not make any differance at all.
LMFAO!!!! :D :D :D

Truelly man you cried the day after you kissed her for the first time... and then you told all of us about it. Whoa! Watch the movie Hitch and pay very close attention to the first 20 min. Seriously. I'm not making fun of you I'm just trying to help you see how your very sincere and very emotional state might be genuine but it is also a bit weak. Women hate weak. They usually don't like too strong either but weak is not going to get her back and I really don't see how anything you do at this point is going to get her back. Many of us on here have gone through tough break-ups and have experienced heartbreak. My best advice to you is to move on and as fast as you can. For you, I would wholeheartedly recommend you sleep with at least one of her friends... preferably female and get it out of your system. That will prove to you that you are not her bitch... well and maybe to the rest of us as well. Normally I wouldn't give that advice to anyone but I gotta say after reading that letter I wanted to dump you too. Again I don't mean to be cruel but giving her that letter would be like putting the last nail in the coffin that was your manhood. Forget about her and move on.

Piide

A girl typically knows if she wants to be with a guy or not. Girls are only confusing when they're avoiding the truth.

If she wants to be with you, she won't say "we'll see"--she will probably cry and tell you she wants to be with you while hugging you.

See? SEE!! this proves what I have been saying..and this is a SANE girl. Remember, most examples are not this stable.

Special K speaks the truth.

Just updating all of you. I just got back from Orientation and let me tell you that I am now GLAD that my gf broke up with me. I thought going into Orientation that I was going to be hell, I was going to close myself to everyone, but I had so much fun, I completly forgot about her and just enjoyed myself. I met so many new people and not to mention met/danced with some BEAUTIFUL girls. I too believe that she is trying to hook up with another person, but she tells me that she wouldn't do that to me, in one mind I'm thinking she's not like that, but in the other mind I am thinking, well how do I know this?

In short, I am done with this, I can do so much better like everyone was telling me. I am starting a new phase in my life and I am opening it up to anyone and everyone.

I'm glad you see the light. May you see bright and happy days from now on. I know how you feel.

Bravo, Hardhitter!

Have a beer on me! (now where is that sudsy smilie????)

Now that me and the guys have him all straightened out.. NOW the females come out to speak ;)

Now that me and the guys have him all straightened out.. NOW the females come out to speak ;)
Hey shnarfy! I was back on page ONE! :p

Oh ya :) I didn't see you over there :) That was before I even knew you were female though.

i know, the word CHICK next to my name is hard to see........u so funny

I try not to read on the forums, I just look at the pretty pictures :p

look into my eyes......you are feeling sleepy......you are feeling like it is time to give shedevil a backrub........and fix her turducken pot pie.....

[QUOTE=and fix her turducken pot pie.....[/QUOTE]
Durka durka mecca jihad pot pie?

I give a mean backrub too.

Oh I mean:

I am shedevilslave.

Shedevil got confused and thought she was posting in a different thread. She apologizes for the *hijack* and will remove herself from any further turducken postings....in this thread.

Oh ya :) I didn't see you over there :) That was before I even knew you were female though.

you're way behind. lol

you're way behind. lol
are we talking about your behind again? oooooohhhhhhhweeeeeeeeeeeeee! ;)

...hah.

I haven't read the whole thing (will later, it's too long and I'm at work) but I'm going to tell you about my story...

We were together close to 3 years, wedding plans, diamond ring, everything. I was so incredibly in love, happy with life, I thought I found all I needed, nothing else matter(ed?) but us. I got a good paying internship far away, it was a great opportunity for the future. I'm thinking, YES, I'll get a good paying job and then we can get married and live happily everafter.

Well, I was away for 7 months, talking on the phone everyday and visiting every other month. The more time I spent away the more I needed her, but for her it was different and I found out later. She got used to being without me, hanging out with her friends (old and new) like she was single. So one week before my return she dumped me over the phone. I lost all my dignity and took the first flight there to demand she dumped me looking at me in the eye, I cried in front of her when she did. It was Christmas.

For some unknown reason she kept calling me every week to talk about all she was doing and ask me how I was doing. By Valentine's she got depressed and missed me so we met for dinner and kissed but she quickly got freaked out and left. We started going out to lunch every week until July when I finally told her I was only being her friend because she asked me to but that I really loved her and wanted her back. She said no, we don't talk for a month, I got the job offer like I knew I was going to and I accepted and moved away (from PR to MI).

One week into the new job she found out I left and called me to ask why I did that and didn't tell her. I told her I did it because of her to try and forget and start a new life and that please never call me again. Inside I was waiting for her to call and tell me she wanted me back, she never did. It's been 2 and a half years since she left me that Christmas in 2002. I still hurt, miss her and get depressed. I recently met a very nice girl and we are going out, I feel like I won't be able to love her because I keep thinking of my ex... am I insane?

Here's a hint..

If you truely loved your ex, you will never ever ever stop. And you CAN love more than one person. Of course you can love the new girl, maybe more, maybe not. But it's not unusual, it's not abnormal. Just the way things are.

I haven't read the whole thing (will later, it's too long and I'm at work) but I'm going to tell you about my story...

We were together close to 3 years, wedding plans, diamond ring, everything. I was so incredibly in love, happy with life, I thought I found all I needed, nothing else matter(ed?) but us. I got a good paying internship far away, it was a great opportunity for the future. I'm thinking, YES, I'll get a good paying job and then we can get married and live happily everafter.

Well, I was away for 7 months, talking on the phone everyday and visiting every other month. The more time I spent away the more I needed her, but for her it was different and I found out later. She got used to being without me, hanging out with her friends (old and new) like she was single. So one week before my return she dumped me over the phone. I lost all my dignity and took the first flight there to demand she dumped me looking at me in the eye, I cried in front of her when she did. It was Christmas.

For some unknown reason she kept calling me every week to talk about all she was doing and ask me how I was doing. By Valentine's she got depressed and missed me so we met for dinner and kissed but she quickly got freaked out and left. We started going out to lunch every week until July when I finally told her I was only being her friend because she asked me to but that I really loved her and wanted her back. She said no, we don't talk for a month, I got the job offer like I knew I was going to and I accepted and moved away (from PR to MI).

One week into the new job she found out I left and called me to ask why I did that and didn't tell her. I told her I did it because of her to try and forget and start a new life and that please never call me again. Inside I was waiting for her to call and tell me she wanted me back, she never did. It's been 2 and a half years since she left me that Christmas in 2002. I still hurt, miss her and get depressed. I recently met a very nice girl and we are going out, I feel like I won't be able to love her because I keep thinking of my ex... am I insane?

Here's a hint..

If you truely loved your ex, you will never ever ever stop. And you CAN love more than one person. Of course you can love the new girl, maybe more, maybe not. But it's not unusual, it's not abnormal. Just the way things are.I agree. I was with my ex-gf for 7 years and I still love her. We are good friends and as time goes by it's obvious to me that we always will be. It was a mutual break-up (I know a stupid thing to do) but it was on friend terms. We will never get back together but will always remain friends. Still I have to say that in my head I compare all my new relationships to her. Fair or not that is how it will be. And we have been apart for 5 years.

funny, i was with my ex-hubby for 8 yrs. he's gone, way gone, and i am super much happier now. took me a whole year to be able to say that...give it some time.

funny, i was with my ex-hubby for 8 yrs. he's gone, way gone, and i am super much happier now. took me a whole year to be able to say that...give it some time.If you don't mind my prying... was the relationship good? I know with my VERY soon to be ex-wife I don't miss her at all. I realized that she didn't treat me the way I should have been treated and that my relationship with her was based more in my head than in actual things she did for us. I hate being the one to give all the time. Anyway I degress, it only took me about a week to get over her and we were together for 3 1/2 years.

you're 18. keep your options open bro. i know its hard, but you will get used to it. keep in touch, unless it starts to bother you and want her more. otherwise, move on.

If you don't mind my prying... was the relationship good?
it was great, good, bad, all rolled into one. the last year sucked horribly (i caught him cheating). It still took a long time to come to grips that it was over. There's some saying about it taking half of the time you were together for you to completely heal from a breakup.

shedevil is right about the length of time thing

it only took me about a week to get over her and we were together for 3 1/2 years.
you'll end up processing it all eventually.

Here's a hint..

If you truely loved your ex, you will never ever ever stop. And you CAN love more than one person. Of course you can love the new girl, maybe more, maybe not. But it's not unusual, it's not abnormal. Just the way things are.

True. I'm with the love of my life but I'll still get a pang every now and then over relationships that are 20 or more years ago. The heart never forgets but hopefully it grows.

you'll end up processing it all eventually.Really I don't have feelings for her. The only thing that bothers me is that I never wanted to be a divorcee. I prided myself on my ability to work through difficult situations. I just tried too hard to work through hers and she didn't put the same effort into herself or the relationship. I think for a while I was dealing with her crap and ready to move on I just wouldn't let myself because I wanted to believe that it would work out. When it didn't... well I wasn't too badly hurt. And I understand what everyone is saying I was after all a psychology major in school. I just know that with my previous gf I really experienced a lot of difficulty getting over her. This is nothing in comparrison and I really am happy with it. Also it's been a few months already.

True. I'm with the love of my life but I'll still get a pang every now and then over relationships that are 20 or more years ago. The heart never forgets but hopefully it grows.

I do know what you mean.

I do know what you mean.I still feel that way about some of the girls I dated in HS

I still feel that way about women who's names I can't remember.

I think this time/distance thing doesn't work... at least not for me. I moved far away and it's been 2 and a half years, we were together for the same amount of time (plus 7 months of "just friends") so it's like a 5+ year relationship for me, half of it without her and I still can't get over her. This changed my whole life, college, work, friendships, etc. all were affected. I became a realist/negativist don't-care-about-anything person instead of the positive thinker and creative dreamer I used to be.

Falling in love is worthless, in the end it's just suffering. I think it is God's punishment to humanity, instead of just be friends, loving eachother, you fall in love and get heart broken and devastated for life... That's my theory.

I think this time/distance thing doesn't work... at least not for me. I moved far away and it's been 2 and a half years, we were together for the same amount of time (plus 7 months of "just friends") so it's like a 5+ year relationship for me, half of it without her and I still can't get over her. This changed my whole life, college, work, friendships, etc. all were affected. I became a realist/negativist don't-care-about-anything person instead of the positive thinker and creative dreamer I used to be.

Falling in love is worthless, in the end it's just suffering. I think it is God's punishment to humanity, instead of just be friends, loving eachother, you fall in love and get heart broken and devastated for life... That's my theory.

WOW! I just found out that I do have a twin! Hello brother, I never thought I would get a chance to meet you!