Here lies the problem with you guys with tranny problems and noises....

Mazda like ALL other car makers do not, I repeat DO NOT condone downshifting, ONLY in emergencies should anyone downshift to help slow their car down.

Brake pads are far cheaper to replace than transmissions.

Yes, boy racers and racing car driver downshift on the race track, but these racing teams replace gearboxes every 2 to 3 events.

NO Car manufacturer should and will not support a free for all warranty replacement when downshifting (particularly) at high RPM is abuse.

Also the added cost of much higher fuel consumption with DS.

Use your brakes!, thats what they are designed for......... stopping.

PS: Throw out bearing or thrust bearing noise at idle and in neutral is NORMAL as the bearing only takes load when one changes gears.

If you're truly a "Downshifting GURU" then you should be able to downshift with almost no unusual wear or abuse on the transmission at all. It's downshifting without rev-matching or downshifting at RPMs that are too high in the resulting lower gear that destroy a transmission. Downshifting in and of itself is not a bad thing to do.

whatever :rolleyes:

how can you drive a car without downshifting?? you need to start getting actual facts before posting up bullshit like that.

what do you do when you want to pass someone? automatics downshift, BMW SMG trannies down shift, they all engine brake too. there is absolutly nothing wrong with downshifting.

Using your gears in downshifting to slow you car down puts strain on your box and engine even if you "match" RPM.

What do you think brakes are for?

Downshifting is a bad driving habit.

As an ex- Mazda Warranty claims officer, I can assure you that NO where in your owners manual does it suggest the use of downshifting (engine braking) apart from in emergencies.

I listed my advice to those of you who are having tranny problems, as their trannies are usually bullet proof, for NORMAL use.

No Car manufacturer suggest the use of engine braking or DS.

If you have a warranty complaint then Mazda are within their right to void the tranny warranty if abuse is clear in evidence.

Of course you downshift, but not to brake your engine, Automatic transmission DO NOT downshift to engine brake!

no car manufacturer suggests that you shouldn't ds either. a/c causes strain on your engine. bogging your car puts strain on the gearbox and engine. warranty clerks just don't know except what they read and what they're told...

You wrote your first post all wrong. Anyway with manual cars I always use the engine to slow down and so have most people I know...and never have had any problems.

As far as I'm concerned your post is bullshit to me. BUT ...if one or two years pass and I end up having problems with my RX-8's transmission because of "my bad habit" of engine braking, you'll be the first person to get a nice hicky on his ass cheek from a heterosexual male (mwa).

Of course you downshift, but not to brake your engine, Automatic transmission DO NOT downshift to engine brake!

you wanna bet??

Sooo... If I'm heading uphill in, say, 3rd gear, and I crest the hill and coast down the other side still in 3rd, then I'm abusing my car by engine braking. Yeah, that's it.

Yes if needed you downshift a gear (one usually) to overtake, but you DONT downshift down EVERY gear to pull up to a stop.

In automatics you manually downshift if you want to, but what for, only to brake.
But, in Drive (D) an auto does not downshift to BRAKE!

Continually downshifting at high RPM will damage ANY gearbox.

DANomite you can show me where any car manufacture (in their manuals) suggest downshifting to stop their car apart from emergencies, I will give you $1000.00

I have been a driver for over 30 years both manual and Auto and have worked in the car industry for 20 years.

Read what I write before you talk of any BULLSHIT!

did i say the manuals suggested downshifting?? no i didn't. i don't care if you drove 30 years either. why don't you start a poll and see how many people agree with you.

Using your gears in downshifting to slow you car down puts strain on your box and engine even if you "match" RPM.

Total Bullshit. If that is what they teach you warranty guys it's no wonder everything gets blamed on "abuse".

7000RPMs is 7000RPMs. It doesn't matter if I'm doing it in 3rd gear at 80mph or if I'm going 60mph and downshift into 2nd. It's no different to the transmission, it has no idea that you're downshifting if you're properly double-clutching to get the layshaft spinning. It's al the same to the transmission. In fact a properly engaged downshift probably puts less strain on drivetrain components, particularly the clutch, than a regular street start from first.

My neighbor drives an old Accord and downshifts more than anyone I know. Downshifts through every gear, every time, and drives his car very hard. He has 480,000 miles on his car, original transmission, ZERO problems. In all that time he's only on his second clutch.

The problem with downshifting isn't "strain" that it puts onto the gearbox, it's the fact that you're running prolonged amounts of time at high RPMs. When accelerating, you're generally not staying in the 7000+ RPM band for every long, downshifting prolongs the amount of time you're in that range, perhaps indefinitely if you're really shifting to hold that powerband no matter the speed. That is damaging to a transmission if you don't use proper transmission fluids and allow it to cool regularly, but the actual act of downshifting is absolutely not putting unwarranted abuse on a transmission.

As an ex- Mazda Warranty claims officer, I can assure you that NO where in your owners manual does it suggest the use of downshifting (engine braking) apart from in emergencies.

A fact that in an of itself means nothing. Mazda doesn't have to explicitly state everything that you're allowed to do, only what you're not allowed to do.

I listed my advice to those of you who are having tranny problems, as their trannies are usually bullet proof, for NORMAL use.

Well here's a news flash, the RX-8 transmission is FAR from "bulletproof". That's both Automatic and Manuals. We know it, dealers know it, and Mazda knows it. Many dealers have multiple transmissions on order for standing repairs. It's why every year everyone hopes that the next model years are going to have stronger transmissions.

Yes if needed you downshift a gear (one usually) to overtake, but you DONT downshift down EVERY gear to pull up to a stop.

In automatics you manually downshift if you want to, but what for, only to brake.
But, in Drive (D) an auto does not downshift to BRAKE!

Continually downshifting at high RPM will damage ANY gearbox.

DANomite you can show me where any car manufacture (in their manuals) suggest downshifting to stop their car apart from emergencies, I will give you $1000.00

I have been a driver for over 30 years both manual and Auto and have worked in the car industry for 20 years.

Read what I write before you talk of any BULLSHIT!


or pick a thread any thread. btw if you are an auzzi how can you comment on mazda na?????


just want to know.

beers

I will give any Rx-8 owner $1000.00 if they can show me that MAZDA suggests in their workshop manuals or owners manuals that downshifting (engine braking) is recommended apart from emergencies.

I am refering to owners who downshift in normal driving on level roads and go from 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 to 2 gears to SLOW their cars to a stop, without using their brakes until the very end or at traffic lights.

This will prematurely shorten the life of your tranny, clutch, engine and give you poor fuel consumption.

I Repeat No Car Manufacturer Will Recommend The Use Of Downshifting To Egine Brake Your Car.

I will give any Rx-8 owner $1000.00 if they can show me that MAZDA suggests in their workshop manuals or owners manuals that downshifting (engine braking) is recommended apart from emergencies.

Will you stop saying "suggests"?

Mazda doesn't "suggest" nor "recommend" that I stop my car before rear-ending the guy in front of me. Perhaps they should put that in their manual.

It's an Owner's Manual, not an Instruction Manual. It's not Mazda's job to teach someone how to drive a stick. It's their job to tell you how NOT to drive their stick. So, perhaps you can find where in Mazda tells (not "suggests", tells) not to downshift.

mazda DOESN'T suggest downshifting. but they don't say it's bad for you car either!

who the hell doesn't use their brakes for stopping? it's a combination of downshifting and the brake!!!!

thanks for the info. where's your cape, captain obvious?????

I will give any Rx-8 owner $1000.00 if they can show me that MAZDA suggests in their workshop manuals or owners manuals that downshifting (engine braking) is recommended apart from emergencies.

I am refering to owners who downshift in normal driving on level roads and go from 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 to 2 gears to SLOW their cars to a stop, without using their brakes until the very end or at traffic lights.

This will prematurely shorten the life of your tranny, clutch, engine and give you poor fuel consumption.

i will give 1k dollars if you can convince me your avitar doesnt downshift!!!!!!!

go back to the neon forums.

btw you were with mazda for 20years or 10 in your profile.

beers

I'm looking through the Owner's Manual for where Mazda says that downshifting is "abuse". I've got to tell you that it's not in here.

In fact, not only does the Owner's Manual not tell someone not to downshift, but the Manual provides TIPS on when NOT to downshift. Sounds like tacit approval that downshifting is alright to me, as long as you don't do it how they say not to. It does say that sudden engine-braking, i.e. a bad downshift caused by improper rev-matching that jerks the drivetrain (just as I stated), is bad, particularly in adverse weather conditions.

Of course"SMART ARSE" pro drivers downshift and use brakes in racing, but they change trannys/ engines lile a pair of socks!.

My advice is only that to you YOUNG Bucks who are having tranny problems and warranty issues. Think what you want and respect your elders...lol
God you Yanks are so bloody up youselves.

BTW I had my 48th birthday last thursday.
And I dont tell everyone everything in profiles either.
And to the other Yank, Mazda have been in Australia longer that the USA, I started in 1974.

Oh, wait, here's a little statement from the Owner's Manual...

"When you must slow down or on a steep upgrade downshift before the engine starts to overwork. This reduces the chance of stalling and gives better acceleration when you need more speed"

Sigma....

I am refering to BRAKING using the engine on a regualr basis, you know exactly what I mean smart arse.

Ok, I'll take you up on that bet! In fact I just got done reading the Auto Club Magazine on the train. (Triple AAA)

They specificaly state to down shift in an automatic when going down hill.

I bet you I can find the same or similar sentence in a Mazda manual concerning their SUV/truck model. Maybe even in one of their car manuals.
In fact I think every automatic I have bought recomends down shifting to the next lower gear ( usually 3rd) when goin down a steep grade such as a mountain.

In fact I know several motorcyclist who downshift and they replace their transmissions every year......... I fact I do that with my Gold Wing. That's seven transmissions I have replaced! Because I down shift. Oh I abuse my motorcycle cause I'm fat. My tranny can't handle my big fat arse....

When I drive my 8 I always push in the clutch and put it in neutral before I stop and if I'm on the highway I just drift over to the shoulder. When I'm stopped I just put it in 1st and accereate fast until I pass the car I orginaly had intended to pass!

Sorry, I wasn't clear before....

The Owner's Manual provides tips on how NOT to Engine-Brake. It doesn't say that Engine Braking is bad. In fact, by telling how NOT to Engine-Brake, that's tacit approval of the practice, as long as you don't do what they say not to do.

Of course"SMART ARSE" pro drivers downshift and use brakes in racing, but they change trannys/ engines lile a pair of socks!.

My advice is only that to you YOUNG Bucks who are having tranny problems and warranty issues. Think what you want and respect your elders...lol
God you Yanks are so bloody up youselves.

BTW I had my 48th birthday last thursday.
And I dont tell everyone everything in profiles either.
And to the other Yank, Mazda have been in Australia longer that the USA, I started in 1974.

ok,
bloody yanks is a dead give away. have another pint and go home to your surry home.

btw happy bday. got mine on sat and am 3 years behind you.

so you retired from mazda to teach people to use the brakes more????
you are a lobbiest for the brake industry?????

done

Did you join this forum just to be an ass?

Did you join this forum just to be an ass?

troll, troll, troll.

mo done

ON YA SWOOPE......lol

You crack me up smart arse!!!
My avitar may be UK , but I an in OZ...
G day mate another shrimp and its 2.26 pm on Thursday here in OZ
You yanks are alway a day behind us!!!;;

Sorry, I couldn't resist given you crap.

Good day mate!

could you stop it with the yanks? should i start calling you kangaroo jockey, mr. dundee?

if you want

ONLY Joking, I am a proud Aussie who supports our troops and the Americans all the way, we have stood side by side around the world.
Catch you later , have to go out.

ON YA SWOOPE......lol

You crack me up smart arse!!!
My avitar may be UK , but I an in OZ...
G day mate another shrimp and its 2.26 pm on Thursday here in OZ
You yanks are alway a day behind us!!!;;
so your point is that your are here to save all the stupid yanks from downshifting???

dont you have something better to do. or are you just trying to explain our owners manual to us.

just you are a wanker for bringing up downshifting with that avatar. the defence rests.

beers

This thread should be closed.

This thread should be closed.


i agree

just delete it

whatever :rolleyes:
ditto

AHH!

Relax. I dont downshift unless im stopped at 0 and my transmission is broken, explain that one, mazda tech.

What do you think brakes are for?

"It is amazing how many drivers, even at the Formula One level, think that the
brakes are for slowing the car down."

-Mario Andretti

;)

I will give any Rx-8 owner $1000.00 if they can show me that MAZDA suggests in their workshop manuals or owners manuals that downshifting (engine braking) is recommended apart from emergencies.

How is this relevant? They don't prohibit it either. It's like the whole synthetic oil debate.

I am refering to owners who downshift in normal driving on level roads and go from 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 to 2 gears to SLOW their cars to a stop, without using their brakes until the very end or at traffic lights.

I've never seen anyone do quite that. That would be a hell of a lot of work. Depending on how far I have before the stop I'll frequently stay in gear (or shift to a lower, more appropriate gear) and leave it there, using brakes as necessary to assist, until the rpms are low enough to where it doesn't make sense to be in gear anymore.

Lol, you need to talk to the people who go on about it being "illegal" to coast! :D

As far as personal experience, I do a fair amount of downshifting and engine braking. I've driven maybe half a million miles on manual trans cars and never had a transmission failure. My last 2 cars before the RX-8 both had around 150,000 miles on them and went to new owners, not the junk heap.

When I had my MX3, i downshifted all the time. i rarely used the brakes to stop. i let it go to the point where the car was almost stalling when approaching a red light, then i would just pop the clutch in to save the stall...

almost 200K kms on that car without a single problem on the tranny...

I'm looking through the Owner's Manual for where Mazda says that downshifting is "abuse". I've got to tell you that it's not in here.

In fact, not only does the Owner's Manual not tell someone not to downshift, but the Manual provides TIPS on when NOT to downshift. Sounds like tacit approval that downshifting is alright to me, as long as you don't do it how they say not to. It does say that sudden engine-braking, i.e. a bad downshift caused by improper rev-matching that jerks the drivetrain (just as I stated), is bad, particularly in adverse weather conditions.

and in that, they don't even say that it is bad for the transmission. they say that because you could lose traction.

here is what the manual says about down shifting

sudden engine-braking:
shifting down while driving on wet, snowy, or frozen roads, or while driving at high speeds causes sudden engine braking, which is dangerous. the sudden change in tire speed could cause the tires to skid. this could lead to loss of vehicle control and an accident. do no use sudden engine braking on slippery road surfaces or at high speeds.

it continues...
downshifting
when you must slow down in heavy traffic or on a steep upgrade, downshift before the engine starts to overwork. this reduces the chance of stalling and give better acceleration when you need more speed.
on a steep downgrade, downshifting helps maintain safe speed and prolongs brake life

thats it. that's all they say about it.

if there is a behavior that could potentially cause damange to the car they explicitly state it

example
make sure the vehicle comes to a complete stop before shifting to R. shifting to R while the vehicle is still moving may damage the transmission

all of this is on page 5-8 of the manual, if you want to look it up.

no place in the manual does it even hint that downshifting is potentially harmful to the car, other than possible traction loss. in fact, it even suggests it!

All this thread does is cast Mazda in a negative light.

If this Ash creep is indeed an Ex-Mazda Warranty Officer (Oh GAWD what a flowery title!) then it really slaps a coat of black on Mazda's image.

The poor schmuck thinks a properly done downshift is bad for your car.

Which means, the poor schmuck doesn't know how to drive a manual box properly.

Is this why Mazda NA can be such a pain in the arse to deal with? Incompetent company officials?

Get lost. You don't belong here, you don't deserve a fine car like a Mazda, and most of all, you *really* give Mazda NA a bad,. bad name, claiming you're an ex-warranty officer.

You don't even know how to *drive*, man.

If you did, you'd know there's two ways to properly downshift a car for maximum effect with no undue wear at all. But you don't know that, do you. You think downshifting is clutch in, gear down, clutch out. There's more to it. But I won't tell you. Go learn on your own.

Baka.

I think ASH is a girl, or at least it says Ashley under its name. That might explain a few things.

:ducks:

haha, I kid

Somebody called me?

You wrote your first post all wrong. Anyway with manual cars I always use the engine to slow down and so have most people I know...and never have had any problems.

As far as I'm concerned your post is bullshit to me. BUT ...if one or two years pass and I end up having problems with my RX-8's transmission because of "my bad habit" of engine braking, you'll be the first person to get a nice hicky on his ass cheek from a heterosexual male (mwa).



Just as you know MR Jerky :rolleyes: ...I will leave a nice hicky on his next ass cheek from a next heterosexual male :D

wow this thread is stil open? lol :p

well i'm glad i leanered downshifting isn't bad...but wait...i knew that already :D:D

hehe guess i'm ahead of the bell curve :p

Downshifting isn't bad, but when I need to slow down or stop I use the brakes. When taking a turn, I only downshift just to keep my engine at a higher more powerful RPM range, not to slow down.

I never understand why people think heel-toeing in a race means slowing down with the engine. The brakes transfer weight up front for steering and slows down the car so it doesn't understeer. The downshifting part, to my understanding, is just so you keep your rev to the right RPM. As speed goes down, so will your engine RPM unless you drop a gear or two. That way when you throttle-steer or exit a corner, you have more power to boot.

OK CLOSE THIS THREAD AND SEND IT TO Adelaide South Australia TECH :p .....AND DELETE THIS FROM IN HERE :D

oh, i just remember seeing somethign about downshifting and damage, but i can't find it in the manual. it said don't downshift into 1st gear above 20mph, or damage to the clutch could occur.

also supports all the claims that if it was something that was actually harmful to the car, it would be printed in the manual :p

And using your brakes when going down hill is the worst thing you can do to them. This is another area where downshifting and engine braking is needed.

Downshifting in normal driving is not harmfull to your car. Using te engine to slow the car in a smooth deceleration is having the vehicle ready for the road ahead. Try reading this.
www.standardshift.com/faq.html

So, the way it goes is, never leave your clutch engaged and remove your foot from the accelerator pedal - always apply throttle when moving in-gear.

Did you ever speed-match a group of cars blocking your way - slowing down early enough by just taking your foot off the gas? Me? Always. On the 4-lanes, if I see brake lights up ahead, that tells me that people are really slowing-down big-time up there. I take my foot off of the gas, then apply some brakes ONLY IF engine braking isn't slowing me down fast enough. God, don't you just HATE IT when the driver in front of you uses the brakes un- neccessarily a lot on the highway? A sure sign of immaturity or just about zero hours of driving evperience.

When rev-matching, downshifting is the exact same thing as slowing down without using your brakes on the highway. No difference. You only downshift when you slow-down to a new gear speed range. Now, downshifting to a gear that takes you to redline isn't all that good for the ENGINE. The tranny isn't hitting redline, the engine is. And, the tranny still isn't torqued-up anywhere near as much as a full throttle launch does to it.

Gas mileage? Brake pad wear? How they are affected by "downshfting" is grossly picky. picky. picky.

not an expert but you downshift when slowing down going into a turn or say you're going to stop at a red light but will be rolling by the time you hit the light... ANY TIME you are going to come to a COMPLETE full stop put it in neutral and use the brakes... cheaper to replace (external) brake pads then (internal) clutch

You should never coast in neutral when driving a standard......it leaves you with zero power options in a hurry....not a good idea!

Oh, dannobre, now that you mentioned coasting, I must confess that I coast a whole lot when given the opportunity. When on a country road with a familliar stop sign coming up, I have landmarks that I have memorized where I start coasting. It saves on gas and brake pad wear. I never got into a situation where I had to accelerate to get out of a suddenly dangerous situation - it has always been to decelerate. I don't coast if I don't know the road and I can't see very far ahead, since acceleration can get you through a too-tight turn a lot better than deceleration.

LiL BenNy, agreed on the full-stop thing, excxept, a perfectly rev-matched downshift does zero wear to the clutch. When you get to know the car, you will know at what rpm the engine will go to after the clutch is fully engaged. You throttle the zero-loaded engine to that rpm and fully engage the clutch, then lift the right foot to decelerate. Zero clutch wear.

I always get a chuckle on the " saves gas " idea....do a log on a Scan device.......in EFI equipped vehicles....when you are off the gas...the fuel is cut to the point that it just keeps it running.......no more fuel than an idle. therefore the fuel savings are negligible.

If you are coasting you will use more brake pads...because the engine is not braking to help slow you down........

I have bad habits too :D ..........................

But, the engine is at idle rpm when coasting, anyway, it sure seems like you're saving gas. And when it comes time to decelerate for the stop, I - rev matchingly of course - re-engage the clutch in-gear and do some engine braking if I want to take both of my feet back down off of the dash ;)

I'll give $1000 to whoever shows me in the MAZDA manual where it suggests using the brakes to stop the vehicle. Otherwise, I'm just going to keep on sticking my foot out the door and dragging it on the ground till it stops. :rolleyes:

But, the engine is at idle rpm when coasting, anyway, it sure seems like you're saving gas. And when it comes time to decelerate for the stop, I - rev matchingly of course - re-engage the clutch in-gear and do some engine braking if I want to take both of my feet back down off of the dash ;)
Coasting in gear or not, you're saving gas when your foot isnt on the pedal. As Jim Mederer showed all of us at RB's facility, the ECU's map changes when the car realizes revs are dropping. It's definitely safer to coast in gear.

And I down shift all the time... not usually to engine break but usually because I coast in 6th until I need power.. then downshift to 2nd and take off :b
And I rev match it too, so my tranny is just fine!

"These boots are made for stoppin..."

Here lies the problem with you guys with tranny problems and noises....

Mazda like ALL other car makers do not, I repeat DO NOT condone downshifting, ONLY in emergencies should anyone downshift to help slow their car down.

Brake pads are far cheaper to replace than transmissions.

Yes, boy racers and racing car driver downshift on the race track, but these racing teams replace gearboxes every 2 to 3 events.

NO Car manufacturer should and will not support a free for all warranty replacement when downshifting (particularly) at high RPM is abuse.

Also the added cost of much higher fuel consumption with DS.

Use your brakes!, thats what they are designed for......... stopping.

PS: Throw out bearing or thrust bearing noise at idle and in neutral is NORMAL as the bearing only takes load when one changes gears.

You are partly correct. :rolleyes: We who race do down shift, but not to slow the car but to be in the correct gear after entering a corner to accelerate, and no, we don’t go through a lot of transmissions.

Yes, the reason for not using the transmission to slow the car is because it will blow the transmission and it is very hard to win if you DNF. :p

Down shifting to accelerate does not hurt the transmission especially when you ease the clutch out quick and smooth while squeezing the accelerator. I find when not on the track simply breaking to a stop reduces shifting to simply putting it back in first after the stop.

But for the record, when I want to get up and go, I will drop to 2nd or 3rd depending on what the current cruising speed is. Autos down shift all the time, it is called passing gear by most. Also, climbing hills is all but impossible if you do not down shift. ;)

So, if you'er down shifting to slow the car, yes will do no good for the transmission, for everything else, that is the whole point for having a multi gear transmission in the first place. :cool:

Yes, the reason for not using the transmission to slow the car is because it will blow the transmission and it is very hard to win if you DNF. :p

So, if you'er down shifting to slow the car, yes will do no good for the transmission, for everything else, that is the whole point for having a multi gear transmission in the first place. :cool:


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Dragonrider..

This is partly my point...
As I originally said, those who use their manual tranny to Engine Brake and slow their 8 in NORMAL driving conditions. Of course you change down to overtake, but those who go through all or most of their gears to slow down put premature wear and tear on clutch and tranny.,,, and as I said brake pads are cheaper to replace than boxes.
Auto tranys change back but they dont engine brake. Unless you manually select to.

Many manual users cannot rev match when downshifting.

PS. Great Looking 8!!

PS. Great Looking 8!!

Appreciate that. It has been a fun project. :D

Dragonrider..

This is partly my point...
As I originally said, those who use their manual tranny to Engine Brake and slow their 8 in NORMAL driving conditions. Of course you change down to overtake, but those who go through all or most of their gears to slow down put premature wear and tear on clutch and tranny.,,, and as I said brake pads are cheaper to replace than boxes.
Auto tranys change back but they dont engine brake. Unless you manually select to.

Many manual users cannot rev match when downshifting.

ok,
i figured it out you work for consumer reports, right???? i was right about the avatar, btw thank for saving us from making the big mistake of driving are cars the way we want to.

you no what, i was driving the other day and i had my window down and the ac was still on. the horror.

this thread is like a train wreck, its bad, but you gota look.

your are going to hate this, i just got a gtimer for my birthday. i feathered the clutch on launch, and had dsc and tc turned off. hay it didnt have that as wrong in the owners manual.

beers

HAHHAH...noob here..jus want to express d fun i had in reading this post..u guys r funny!!!

now close this thread.!!!!

Why? Humor is good.

this has got to be one of the more stupid threads i've ever read.

Don't downshift... ahahhahahahahahahahhaaha

(ps, this was my 100th post!! YAY :D)

I just felt left out; however, I have this to add:

Why was the Christ child not born in Australia?
-You'd have a job finding three wise men, much less a virgin!!

What do you call a field full of Australians?
-A vacant lot.

What's the difference between an Australian and a computer?
-You only have to punch information into a computer once.

-An Aussie is proof that God has a sense of humour.

If Santa Claus, a smart Aussie and a dumb blonde were in a room, and you tossed in a hundred dollar note, who would grab it first?
-The blonde - the other two don't exist.

What's the difference between yoghurt and Australians?
-At least yoghurt starts with a little culture.

-There's a Japanese firm that has developed a camera with a shutter speed so fast it can actually catch an Aussie with his mouth shut.

How do you define 144 Australians?
-Gross stupidity.

This thread reminds me of a movie, Billy Madison: In all your incoherent rambling, not even a semblance of a comprehensible thought exists. All of us are now more ignorant for having listened to it; may God have mercy on your soul.

there was no need for racism :/

there was no need for racism :/

It's orright man, we can take a joke. Even piss poor lukewarm retreaded ones like nowitt's, er sorry, dewett's...... :)

It's orright man, we can take a joke. Even piss poor lukewarm retreaded ones like nowitt's, er sorry, dewett's...... :)

well, we can all point and laugh at him for screwing up the billy madison quote :rolleyes:

I'll give $1000 to whoever shows me in the MAZDA manual where it suggests using the brakes to stop the vehicle. Otherwise, I'm just going to keep on sticking my foot out the door and dragging it on the ground till it stops. :rolleyes:

Hey, shoe leather is a lot cheaper than trannies :D :rolleyes:

hey Ashley,
ive been in the car bussiness for 5 years. now i know im not a F*$kin vetrin like you but you have know idea what your talking about. I have worked for seveal car manufactures and have seen alot of the manufactures in and out. The problem is that mazda has a problem with transmission and they know it. Just a tip to every one. when ever a can manufature ask to break down the transmission it means 3 things. They don't have anough transmions, They know they have a problem, and know mater what is inside they are still going to bill you for it. It comes down to the fact that mazda does not want to pay for it. Any transmission that has burnt trans fluid at 30k has a defect. Also there is no possible way that a mechanic(who by the way does not give 2 shits) can tell if it was missabuse or a deffect and if you USED to work as a warenty guy than you know that. I know what job you had. maybe theres a reason you dont have one anymore

I have had plenty of cars from 2nd gen rx7s to bmws to hondas.
I drove my bmw from day 1
and I downshifted every day
it 91 with over 200k on it.
It lasted because it was built right

So do me a favor and think befor you SH*t out of you mouth.

well, we can all point and laugh at him for screwing up the billy madison quote :rolleyes:

The use of the colon in my post merly is designed to introduce the following sentence, as the two are related. In the event you still think it was intended to quote moive lines allow me to illustrate further. After "Madison" I could have used a simple period; however, the two sentences are related. Thus, the use of the colon draws the two together in perfect harmony. If I wished to quote from the movie I would have written:

This thread reminds me of the movie, Billy Madison, in which was stated: ...

My use is in accordance with the rules of grammar, and is what could be considered "proper". I will be available to provide references if needed. Point and laugh if you will, but you are pointing and laughing at your own ignorance.

there was no need for racism :/

since when are australians a diffrent race? racism is the biggest crock of shit. people don;t even know what it is anymore. people love their sterotypes. They hide behind them to fling mud at others.

An australian could be black white or green. So could an american a jew or a african.

It's orright man, we can take a joke. Even piss poor lukewarm retreaded ones like nowitt's, er sorry, dewett's...... :)

I'm very disappointed in your choice of blows. I suppose it was too much to ask for well thought out banter. Not to say I set the bar very high with my obvious copy-paste method, but standards went through the basement with that. I am feeling a bit nostalgic with such a post though, as I have not herd my name twisted in such a childish way since elementary school. Perhaps next time you won't write just the first thing that pops into your head -- you could at least give me the second. I even picked out some of the better jokes. I suppose you should get a point for effort, though. I offer in response the simple word: touche.

On a different subject though, the term: "orright". Are you attempting to input your accent into your writing? If this is the case why? Don't you feel it would be more clear if you used actual words? Also, what do the six periods mean?

I'm very disappointed in your choice of blows. I suppose it was too much to ask for well thought out banter. Not to say I set the bar very high with my obvious copy-paste method, but standards went through the basement with that. I am feeling a bit nostalgic with such a post though, as I have not herd my name twisted in such a childish way since elementary school. Perhaps next time you won't write just the first thing that pops into your head -- you could at least give me the second. I even picked out some of the better jokes. I suppose you should get a point for effort, though. I offer in response the simple word: touche.

On a different subject though, in reference to "orright". Are you attempting to input your accent into your writing? If this is the case why? Don't you feel it would be more clear if you used actual words? Also, what does the six periods mean?

Are you serious? He responded in a perfectly good natured way. He even included a smiley. If you are, get over yourself and get back to the thread topic. BTW you have a sentance fragment in your post.

there was no need for racism :/

Although, one could define race as, "a group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution," this definition is only in use due to common usage. Even the term "human race" is not accurate. Humans are only considered to be a race due to common usage of terms such as these. This is why many intellectuals today even refuse to claim that humanity, as a whole, is a race. Even according to dictionary.com, from where the above quote came, "Many cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact." I am even familiar with terms such as "Australoid"; this term does not mean all Australians, I should note. However, I digress form the topic at hand. The term "racism" has become way overused in our society today. I could cite examples all day including accusations of "racism" or even "reverse racism" (a peculiar topic indeed since that would be "not racism"). I grow tired of its use since it tends to be used only by those who are ignorant and hold a serious lack of knowledge to what true racism is. I think, with the exception of a few cases, this term should not be used at all. This is largely due to the extreme negative connotation that is associated with it. The problem with the word racism is that it can be used to describe such a great many different things. Since the word has such a negative connotation this can lead to many frivolous lawsuits, various administrative punishment, and a great deal of other things. This whole topic is both fascinating and disturbing. I noticed you were from California, so I must ask a few questions. Are you Australian? If not, do you feel the people from Australia are so helpless that they need a high school teenager to come to their rescue? Maybe you would feel better if I discussed California. I would not have trouble finding various examples of California hypocrisy --I may even begin a new thread called just that in the lounge area if you wish. On a final note: What is the ":/"? Please describe what this is supposed to represent. Is this the same thing as ":\"?

Are you serious? He responded in a perfectly good natured way. He even included a smiley. If you are, get over yourself and get back to the thread topic. BTW you have a sentance fragment in your post.

Yes, I am serious. I never even said he was not good natured. I think my reply was also in a good natured way. His post did not hurt me in any way; I don't think mine hurt him either. I even gave him a touche. I think that in it of itself says it all. As for the fragment, I thank you for pointing that out.

this is more pathitic than the thread it is based on. you guys are fighting about grammar on a thread that has nothing to do with it.

and the owner of the thread has let it go.

let it go. you guys might have fun on ;.com or grammar.pathatic.com. or piss into the wind, buy a vowel vana. spelling incorrect intentional.

thats got to hurt.

beers

die thread die

die thread die

i concour, DIE DIE DIE.

it was easier before the emails came back.

beers

Yes.. Die thread..
Oh.. and it will..

And just an FYI: Flame warring isnt allowed on these forums, neither is trolling.

WAIT!!!! Don't let the thread die!! I was sitting in my car the other day while waiting for my girlfriend to get ready and was reading the manual. If I remeber correctly, the manual said to downshift to save the brakes, or maybe it was the other way around? I really don't care, but 1000 bucks is on the line. I'll go and get the manual NOW!!! LOL 1000 bucks MINES!!!! LOL



2004 RX-8 Manual Page 5-9:

Down Shifting:
"When you slow down in heavy traffic or on a steep upgrade, downshift before the engine starts to overwork. This reduces the chance of stalling and gives better acceleration when you need more speed.
On a steep downgrade, downshifting helps maintain safe speed and prolongs brake life."


There, I think I win. Possibly not, or possibly I was damn wrong. I am just damn bored.

Dead.