How rude of the these guys to compare the Crossfire to an Auto RX-8.. Doesnt seem like a fair comparison.. Check this out..

http://www.chrysler.com/crossfire/purchase/comp.html?&curVehicle={$vehicle}

I think the car looks pretty cool though. Bold and daring from Chrysler. Not sure about the price point though.. however it does have a lot of standard features.

That really pisses me off. They don't include the many specs that tell the whole picture. They use the automatic's horsepower figures just to make it seem like there underpowerd piece of crap is actually more powerful.

They also don't tell you that even if you orderd all the optional equipment that 8 would still be thousands less than the base model crossfire.

The crossfire is the only car in that group that still uses the outdated Recirculating ball steerign system.

They list the 0-60 time as 6.3 when C&D were able to get a 5.9 0-60 time.

The 8 has more room, can hold more people and gear and still weigh less.

Sorry for the outburst, but that just made me mad.

hah and what a comparison. the way i read the table the crossfire weighs more, costs more, has more torque, gets a slower time 0-62, is the same time in the 1/4 mile and seats 2 less people. makes you wonder why they put the rx8 in there at all considering the price difference for the same performance. obviously the hi-power would have made the crossfire look bad on paper.

edit: mazda's warrenty is better also;)

Originally posted by zoom44
obviously the hi-power would have made the crossfire look bad on paper.

edit: mazda's warrenty is better also;)

yeah, REALLY bad.

don't think that Mazda's not gonna hold them by the balls when comparing 6 speed to 6 speed.

edit: woah woah woah, wait wait wait... the auto RX-8 makes it to 60 in 6.3 seconds??? HAHAHAHAA!!! holy christ... who the f*ck put this table together???? jesus christ man... it's too bad that 90% of American car buyers look at two numbers when buying a car: it's price, and it's horsepower.

RE edit: not ONLY that, but they listed the lower hi power engine torque too!!! lower hp, AND lower torque... what the hell is that???

someone mail them and bitch.

Originally posted by zoom44
hah and what a comparison. the way i read the table the crossfire weighs more, costs more, has more torque, gets a slower time 0-62, is the same time in the 1/4 mile and seats 2 less people. makes you wonder why they put the rx8 in there at all considering the price difference for the same performance.

makes you wonder why they put any of those other cars in there at all...it's the slowest performer out of the bunch, on par with the SlowX-8 Automatic...the only thing it has that's comparable to the other cars is price, and maybe the backend looks like the 350Z...

The crossfire is actually based on the mercedes clk320 and is built in germany of all places. It should be a decent car since no union clowns have touched it.

What I found most entertaining really, was the fact that the skidpad wasn't available... the braking on the Crossfire is the best (is it really, wow?!?)

Meh... those charts don't mean anything... drive the bloody cars I say!

Originally posted by jdj1971
The crossfire is actually based on the mercedes clk320 and is built in germany of all places. It should be a decent car since no union clowns have touched it. Actually it is the MB SLK320, but without the gorgeous folding metal roof and the 3-pointed badge but for almost the same money.

They should compare all the cars w/ manual transmission (or at least the high power model)
The RX-8 has more power, longer wheelbase, more head room, more shoulder room, etc.. which means more comfy.

Oh, what's windshield (on the first row)??? Shouldn't it be wheel base?

I would offer the comment that German auto workers probably have a union and benies that far exceed American auto workers. I am not an expert but I think I am safe in saying that the no union translating to high quality argument would not apply here.

I would offer this riddle if you will. What do you get when you cross the superior German engineering of Mercedes with the mediocre to poor performance of an American auto company? An overpriced piece of piece of sh-t. Or perhaps a CrossFart. :D :D

Originally posted by jdj1971
The crossfire is actually based on the mercedes clk320 and is built in germany of all places. It should be a decent car since no union clowns have touched it.
It is based on the slk, but that platform is already 7 years old and is being replace by Mercedes soon. So the car is already 7 years old.

Sure the Chrysler compro was skewed, but we've all read the Mazda guide the dealers are supposed to use when buyers consider alternative vehicles- but I'm sure Mazda was impartial in their reports.

Are any of you actually swayed by factory comparisons? If yes, I'd like to know how your Yugo and Suzuki Samuri are holding up... Is it worth getting bent out of shape when a competitor snubs the 8 on THEIR webpage?

Maybe instead of bitching and moaning about how "my car's gonna be better than yours," you should think, "a Crossfire? now that might be a step in the right direction."

It's YOUR money you're going to spend the next time you buy a car - would you rather have only 2 car makers offering sports cars and everyone else peddling minivans and SUVs, or do you want every car maker trying to meet your needs/desires in a car?

I think Chrysler's on the right track (somewhere on that track are the Viper and Prowler) with this car, and the more entrys into this segment the better. Hell, competition only pushes the product higher and the price lower.

So rock on Chrysler, lets see more new ideas. But no more Celine Dion bullshit - who wants some snide french-canadian associated with their car? Really - who?

Not to hijack this thread, but I had to comment on the union worker statements. Having worked with unions for years, it is clear that they are focused on what is best for the worker, NOT the customer. I will never by a union made vehicle. Overpriced due to legally mandated collective bargaining (forces costs beyond what the market would indicate) and poor quality (try to discipline a union worker). Look at the schools, state services, steel, all unions, all terrible.

So how do you even determine whether the car or parts was made by a union worker?

Is there really such a thing as an American car anymore besides a Viper or a Saturn? When I pop the hood on an "American" car why is there so much Kanji on the parts?

It's so confusing anymore.

I just bought a Toyota Tundra.. Made in Indiana by Americans.. I doubt there's a union involved in producing the truck but how could I know anyway?

RotaryStalker

There is NO FRIGGIN WAY that the Crossfire is going to run the numbers they list. Look up the SLK320 and you'll see that it typically runs 0-60 in about 6.8 and the 1/4 in about 15.2 @ 92 mph. Those numbers in that chart are just plain wrong.

From Motorweek:

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2237.shtml

2004 Chrysler Crossfire

Engine 3.2-liter single-cam V6

Horsepower 215

Torque 229 lb feet

0-60 mph 6.3 seconds

1/4 mile 14.8 seconds @ 97 mph

60-0 mph 118 feet


However it is a C-class Merc with an American suit. So, it's BORING to drive I'm sure.

Torque 229 lb feet

0-60 mph 6.3 seconds

i hope everyone who asks of the rx8 "does it have enough T?" or the variations of that question,
sees that stat right there and will understand now that T doesn't tell the whole story!

I'm with Boozehound, I applaud Chrysler for making the effort and hope they continue to.

And on Unions...
Of course Unions are out for the worker and not the customer. The very point of a union - Longshoremen, Autoworkers, Locomotive Engineers, etc... - is to protect a given workforce, not the company. Historically unions were started for a very good cause. To claim that all unions and union workers are not customer focused and positive contributors to their respected company is absurd. If you go to any Ford, GM or Chrysler Plant you would find that at the very least 9 out of 10 drive their respective company's cars.

And yes, I have had experience with Unions. I am not, nor have I ever been union, and I admit that most of my dealings with Unions were frustrating. I simply don't believe in making such blanket statements.

I'll argue the point no further. To each his own...