ok everybody i just received a phone call at my office from someone working at mazda on the rx-8. they are reading EVERYBODIES comments here on the forum! the cars will be released next week! they are checking EVERY car by hand to make sure the cars are perfect! there is no special hold for a single day release. there is no overheating problems. there is no truck transport problems. they just have a port full of rx8s and they are checking them all by hand to make sure they are PERFECT! so the cars well be here next week officially!!! this is straight from mazda!! i know everybody was hopping for a pre-holiday release but unfortunately, it wont be until next week, so hopefully now every body can relax a little knowing the cars will be here very soon!!
:D :D :D

Oooooooh.. you know we're all gonna hold you to that now.. if not you better send me back those Mac nuts..

JUS' KIDDING!!!! :D :D :D

Thanks for the info.. any news is GOOD news.

Wouldn't it have been easier for them to personally inspect every car while they were still in Japan? :confused:

much appreciated!!

Originally posted by ZoomZoom
Wouldn't it have been easier for them to personally inspect every car while they were still in Japan? :confused:

no they wanted to do it here after they have crossed the salt water and als the us standards are different than japanese standards. so they are doing quality control here. each one they are not doing every 5 or so they are doing each and every one of them by hand. they want your car to be perfect before they release it to you!

Originally posted by ZoomZoom
Wouldn't it have been easier for them to personally inspect every car while they were still in Japan? :confused:

Who knows what's happened to them in weeks of transit?

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Oooooooh.. you know we're all gonna hold you to that now.. if not you better send me back those Mac nuts..

JUS' KIDDING!!!! :D :D :D

Thanks for the info.. any news is GOOD news.

this is a very reliable official word! this is the first time i have heard anything official and i beleive it 100% this is not a rumor

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
ok everybody i just received a phone call at my offoce from someone working at mazda on the rx-8. they are reading EVERYBODIES comments here on the forum! the cars will be released next week! they are checking EVERY car by hand to make sure the cars are perfect! there is no special hold for a single day release. there is no overheating problems. there is no truck transport problems. they just have a port full of rx8s and they are checking them all by hand to make sure they are PERFECT! so the cars well be here next week officially!!! this is straight from mazda!! i know everybody was hopping for a pre-holiday release but unfortunately, it wont be until next week, so hopefully now every body can relax a little knowing the cars will be here very soon!!
:D :D :D

I appreciate all you have done for us. I sure hope you are right on this one also. We all seem to be getting ups and downs waiting for our cars. And hopefully you hair can grow back;) . Just curious, why did they call you?

so if I have a ETA of July Week two, can i still expect to have it next week?

Well, my Florida dealer just called to let me know that he was involved in a conference call today, and none of the cars from any port will be released until Monday. They are still going through inspections. I have to ask -- since the California cars showed up at port much sooner than the east coast cars, shouldn't they have been inspected and shipped within a reasonable amount of time? Doesn't it seem odd that all ports will be releasing the cars at the same time? Oh well, they will be here someday.

Originally posted by brownchiro


I appreciate all you have done for us. I sure hope you are right on this one also. We all seem to be getting ups and downs waiting for our cars. And hopefully you hair can grow back;) . Just curious, why did they call you?

they got my info from this board. who i am where i worked. they did not like the comments people were saying about mazda. they almost logggged on to say something but they know they would be bombarded with emails and stuff if everybody knew they worked on the rx-8 release team. so they called me to tell everybody to relax and that the cars will be here next week. mazda has been reading eveything everybody has been saying and they want everybody here to know that they want this to be the perfect car for you. they dont want you to have to come back in a week after you buy it with problems. they just thought it was time to let everybody know that they will be here soon!!

Well thank god we finally are getting some news! I thought that this board was oficially dead. LoL

My car hasn't even been in port for a full week and I am going crazy. I cannot imagine how you guys out on the West Coast have been dealing with the wait!

Originally posted by bassik277
so if I have a ETA of July Week two, can i still expect to have it next week?

yes!! if your car is in port right now expect to get it next week!

Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
Well, my Florida dealer just called to let me know that he was involved in a conference call today, and none of the cars from any port will be released until Monday. They are still going through inspections. I have to ask -- since the California cars showed up at port much sooner than the east coast cars, shouldn't they have been inspected and shipped within a reasonable amount of time? Doesn't it seem odd that all ports will be releasing the cars at the same time? Oh well, they will be here someday.
it just takes time to inspect every car by hand. there is no rhyme or reason to it other than it takes time to make sure everything is perfect!

Ibfubar, do you think that the Canadian cars are being delayed at port for the same reason?

Originally posted by ZoomZoom
Ibfubar, do you think that the Canadian cars are being delayed at port for the same reason?

yes. i think so.

Ibfubar, just a personal THANK YOU for all of the work that you have put in during the past few weeks.

Cheers!

Thanks again. And if Mazda is reading... RX-8 release team or whomever there - I'd LOVE to have a great job helping with PR on the current and future rotary models Mazda will be selling - on a regional basis - training dealers, auto show reps, etc. Although it'd take a lot to take me from 'my day job'. And - I'd *love* (I'm not alone here I'm sure) to have an inside scoop, market analysis feedback, "what if's", etc about any new offering (aka convertible) in the works that would have a rotary under the hood. ;-)
p.s. I'm glad the 4 year wait for this great new cars is about over!

Thanks for the information - at least the extra time is being used well. I haven't been one of the people complaining (I don't need my car until August or September) but I am getting quietly desperate for a test drive after my spin in a G35. I just told my dealership that the first cars will be in next week - I usually give them a weekly call/e-mail to let them know RX-8 status...

Well, my dealer had this nailed! The guy responsible for the RX-8 orders at the dealership told me two weeks ago to expect a second week of July delivery. So I've been amused seeing everybody freak out over "delays". Looks like they (Mazda) knew about this date a while back. Glad they finally saw the need to respond.

Like the rest of you, I'm very excited to be so close to delivery. It's almost like Christmas in July (except I'm paying for my own present).

Thank you very much Ibfubar for passing along the good news. Hang on everybody, it's almost here!!!:D

Originally posted by pelucidor
Thanks for the information - at least the extra time is being used well. I haven't been one of the people complaining (I don't need my car until August or September) but I am getting quietly desperate for a test drive after my spin in a G35. I just told my dealership that the first cars will be in next week - I usually give them a weekly call/e-mail to let them know RX-8 status...

This is what Mazda should read. Why do we have to tell the "dealers" what is going on with our car? Do we get a rebate? Watch?

Glad to know Mazda was listening to the growing frustration.

All - This forum rocks! Where did Mazda go to get the 'inside scoop' of their soon-to-be RX-8 owners.

Right here folks.

Fuber - you have also represented Mazda well with your insight & comments. Thanks for being our most recent 'mouthpiece' for Mazda.

Thanks Fubar! Like I already said, you da man!

Now, please step aside for just a minute, thanks...

Uh,

Domo arigato Mr. Mazda. I love you guys! The Rx-8 is phat! And if y'all don't mind, mine is coming later on, so please don't stop that 100% inspection stuff. And, uh yeah, if y'all want to add a little something to it, please be my guest. Domo!

Your friend and loyal supporter,;)
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OK, thanks Fubar!

Thanks Fubar!

The what's, why's and when's are much appreciated.

Vince

THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT! :cool:


THANK YOU FUB!!!

I would like to add my thanks to IBFUBAR2000.

Also, I have a question. Haven't some of the cars already traveled by rail to places like Midlothian, TX? I'm in the Dallas area and wonder if the cars were being inspected in Hueneme or Midlothian. Just curious

Fubar rocks :)

Originally posted by jd62
I would like to add my thanks to IBFUBAR2000.

Also, I have a question. Haven't some of the cars already traveled by rail to places like Midlothian, TX? I'm in the Dallas area and wonder if the cars were being inspected in Hueneme or Midlothian. Just curious

i would guess hueneme since the rx8 people are out here in califfornia. that may have been the delay also. they were pobably checking those cars first so they couyld ship them to their ports before they checked the cars that were bsing shipped to our dealers.

Fube, Thanx also.

Dealer confirmed next week delivery. Won't know which truck until it arrives though. :(

It would be interesting to know if the "by hand" inspection would continue for the remaining 2nd and 3rd allocation. That would be awesome if Mazda would continue this service. I for one wouldn't mind an extra week of delay if I know my car is being checked thoroughly.

I wonder why Mazda doesn't utilize the Pre-Order program to inform ppl, granting the Pre-Order needs a lot of debugging. I would think that this is exactly the type of info we all would/should get via the Pre-Order Program. But we know how that went...

In any case, thanks FUBAR.

Its good to hear real word this time! Thanks Fubar and Mazda. It sure won't hurt to have another paycheck in the bank when the 8 comes in.

I think the preorder program may be a bit green, but this is definitely the way car sales should be heading - directed more by the factory and less by the dealerships. The more the factory tips the dealers hand through publicity about pricing, options, rebates, inventory, (hopefully someday specific dealer incentives), the better things get for the consumer, and the manufacturer ends up with better control over their product. Now if only I could buy factory direct...

damn, i wont be here next week:(

Originally posted by tribal azn2
damn, i wont be here next week:(

BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
sorry that just hit me as being funny!!
:D

Originally posted by tribal azn2
damn, i wont be here next week:(

All that pissin' and moanin' you've done in the past means you can't leave. You MUST be at the dealer next week to get your car!

Well you've came this far whats another week or two?hah. who am i kidding i would freak out. i would be there faster then you can say cat in a hat :)

Thanks ibfubar and Mazda. Oh Mazda Guys, you can just make an account and not publish your email address. As for PM's, I think the board software allows for the box to be inactive. So post away. Last thing, could you guy's let me know an approximate date as to when I can put in a pre-order for the 4th gen RX-7?:D

Originally posted by jd62


All that pissin' and moanin' you've done in the past means you can't leave. You MUST be at the dealer next week to get your car!

yea this sucks hardcore. i have to go on a 7 day cruise:mad:. damn it i was looking forward to this cruise. but now knowing that my rx8 is going to be here, i wont be able to get it off my mind. and the thought that my dealer might sell off my car or take it on joyrides/test drives is just scary

Where you goin on that cruise?

Originally posted by RX-Nut
Where you goin on that cruise?

7 day cruise to mexican riviera

Puerto Vallarta
Mazatian
Cabo San Lucas

I really want to be sure to thank IBFUBAR2000 for his great work keeping a lot of folks who were getting really negative or at least anxious about their car situation sane. I think he really should be in line for some kind of customer service award from Mazda. (Hopefully the phone call did not start out with, "what the heck were you doing?")

At the same time I need to throw the BS flag. Nice story guys, but I don't buy it. Certainly a team going over the cars by hand is awesome and I'll suck up a week or two delay to have that happen. I'm very happy to have it happen, but that doesn't generate the type of delay we're seeing.

If you're smart, you inspect 10-20 cars (don't know truck capacity) going to a destination and get them out the door. We've got reports of trains leaving and they probably did those first if the port options were already installed on them. if the port options weren't installed an inspection would have been pointless. it needs to be done after all the options are in place.

Think about it, we've been told 1/2 the story, not the whole story.

The only possible justification for holding all cars until a inspection on all cars is complete is that they may be learning from the inspections, then having to go back and reinspect from observed events. After 1000 cars you find a strange issue that you haven't seen before and realize your check list should have had one more step. Oops, time to go back and recheck those 1000 again.

I don't buy it. There's another reason. You can all be happy and feel content, but it ain't right. This is a true story that's a diversion to keep us from freaking out that Mazda (whether it's Mazda USA or the parent company) wants to roll out a lot of them all at once across the US instead of allowing them to hit as soon as available.

IMO many people could be sitting in their cars right now with just as good an inspection.

[RANT ON]
By the way, if you wanted to give out the official word, use the pre-order mail info system. Mazda should be due at least one free e-mail from that 509 VIN screw up. If you wanted to fix that system, send me an e-mail that's plain text, tells me my VIN and shows me a JPEG (not hard to do or automate) of my car on the assembly line, my car at the dock, my car on the ship (with ship schedule) my car on the port getting it's options, my car on the truck on the way to the dealer. Stop jacking around with no info for long periods of time and then sending me some dressed up garbage that references a movie that's been out for 2 months.

Great car, great spirit, worst customer relations known to man. Every Mazda dealer I've been to but one has had bad customer service, bad vehicle service, and I'd never buy from them again. God I wish somebody like Hyundai or Saturn had a car like this. They'd be unstoppable.
[RANT OFF]

fubar, thanks for the good news. Let enjoy the fireworks and not worry about RX8 delivery for which we now know they will be arriving soon. Now I can say I will celebrate and light those fireworks which I got a few boxes in my car! :D

Originally posted by Edge
Great car, great spirit, worst customer relations known to man. Every Mazda dealer I've been to but one has had bad customer service, bad vehicle service, and I'd never buy from them again. God I wish somebody like Hyundai or Saturn had a car like this. They'd be unstoppable.
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Lol, for this little temper tantrum I'm sure they're sending a Mazda Engineer to poo in your RX-8's glove box.

I'm sure everybody is brimming with excitement now. I myself did not place an order for the car yet. However, I'm glad that Mazda actually read THIS FORUM. They should pay more attention to this forum for customer feedback instead of solely from their dealers. I say eliminate the middle man!

yea this sucks hardcore. i have to go on a 7 day cruise Poor baby... Enjoy the Carnival Cruise! :D

By the way, if you wanted to give out the official word, use the pre-order mail info system. Mazda should be due at least one free e-mail from that 509 VIN screw up. If you wanted to fix that system, send me an e-mail that's plain text, tells me my VIN and shows me a JPEG (not hard to do or automate) of my car on the assembly line, my car at the dock, my car on the ship (with ship schedule) my car on the port getting it's options, my car on the truck on the way to the dealer. Stop jacking around with no info for long periods of time and then sending me some dressed up garbage that references a movie that's been out for 2 months. You want to super-size your fries with that? ;)

Originally posted by Superfan


Lol, for this little temper tantrum I'm sure they're sending a Mazda Engineer to poo in your RX-8's glove box.

thankfully the cars are mostly if not totally buttoned up by now, so it'd be very hard to hide a dead rat or something in an inaccessible space. (There are legends of dead rats in welded up frame areas that just couldn't be fixed)

if Mazda would just force their dealers to be respectable, there'd be no stopping them. as it is, i thought a long time about whether i really wanted to continue my Mazda experience. There's really no alternative to this car though, so I'm over the barrel. I'll just have to drive 50 miles each way to get good service from a reputable dealer.

Originally posted by Superfan


Lol, for this little temper tantrum I'm sure they're sending a Mazda Engineer to poo in your RX-8's glove box.


Perfect....:D

It's nice to see your 8s are arriving next week! on the other hand, my dealer told me my ETA is now"a few months"!! they told me to expect it by end of June when i pre-ordered, and now they say the first shipment is here but not my car!! and told me they definately can't get me an 8 within the next two weeks and have no clue when mine is gonna arrive! *sigh*:(

There may yet be some truth to Edge's post...

The way I look at it, is I'm in Hawaii.. We have only 3 main dealers here.. Altogether I have calcuated that this first batch total for Hawaii can't be more than 20-30 cars. (Personally asked each dealer what they're getting this time around) If they are indeed doing manual inspections, 20-30 cars should be a breeze.. done in a day or two, three tops...

We have no trucks or trains for transport to dealers, they just drive the cars to the dealers.. Our dealers arent more than 10-20 miles away from the ports..

If anything, us lowly islanders would have tasted the cars by now, but obviously something mysterious is afoot.

In another forum a guy who works at the Honolulu docks said one week he saw the bunch of 8s come in, the next week they were all gone..

Dealers all claim they don't have them...

Hmmmm.. they have GOT to be somewhere..

But ALAS... this is just speculation, and I'm still happy with Fubes info and (hopefully) can handle a few more days of restless nights... (honestly, how many of you out there can't sleep because of the anxiety.. and even if you do sleep, I bet the 8 is in your dreams.. ) Hehehehehehehe

Originally posted by Superfan


Lol, for this little temper tantrum I'm sure they're sending a Mazda Engineer to poo in your RX-8's glove box.


Maybe that's one of the special PreOrder gifts that we are waiting for.......:D

Originally posted by IGOZMZM



Maybe that's one of the special PreOrder gifts that we are waiting for.......:D

Hey, as long as the poo is rotor-shaped... :D

I personally appreciate all the help that FubarGuy has been, and if you're still reading, Mazda, he has done a world of good for your P.R. (Waaaay more than any of your own efforts!)

I would hope that you will "recognize" his efforts in a 'substantial' way..........

Thanks for this latest update, FuGuy, we will all be waiting.

(Not that I believe the 'personal inspections' story for a moment, it is a transparent crock - those '8's have been sitting in rows for the whole time - but whatever you say.......but thats just the way I am.)
S

If that's what it takes to get my car out of the lot, onto the truck, and into my driveway . . . no i won't i'm not a that desparate yet . . . well maybe i would take it . . . no i think that would be excessive . . . but maybe all i'd have to do is replace the glove box . . . hm . . . he, he, he i can't take it where's that axe?

oh yeah, my name's not jack. i don't live in a ski lodge. it's not winter.

what can i say, the wait is getting to me. i'd really like my car. soon. but i'd also like my car to be perfect, so i guess i'll just keep waiting and try not to offend the powers that be too much. i am still sleeping at night though. haven't descended to that level of madness yet, maybe.

don't worry about that twitch folks, and i promise to not bring loaded guns to car dealerships, at least not this week. ;)

i don't even own a gun, yet

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
ok everybody i just received a phone call at my office from someone working at mazda on the rx-8. they are reading EVERYBODIES comments here on the forum!
...

OK Mazda, here's your last chance.

The PERFECT RX-8 commercial background music from an artist as unique as the RX-8 can be heard at

http://home.satx.rr.com/rx8uberalles

I am making this so easy for you! Tell your marketing department USE THIS, AND YOU WILL SELL LOTS OF RX-8s!

(and for giving you the marketing tip of the year, I'd be happy to accept the 6-disc changer that I thought came with the vehicle when I pre-ordered it in January) :D:D:D

And this is my final post on the matter... didn't mean to hijack the thread, so any further discussion should continue at

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1257


Thanks for the opening, ibfubar2000!

what can i say, the wait is getting to me. i'd really like my car. soon. but i'd also like my car to be perfect, so i guess i'll just keep waiting and try not to offend the powers that be too much. i am still sleeping at night though. haven't descended to that level of madness yet, maybe.

Your user name just might suggest otherwise ;) j/k

my dealer was on the confrence call today also,i was told that the real hold up was they were waiting for epa approvel and that would make sense for all fifty states.this is just what i was told and dont no if its true but does make sense.

Hey moderators::::

Now that ifubar has a direct contact at mazda....
Can we give mazda (or this contact) their own "write only" forum so they can keep us more informed easily, directly, & without harassment? After all, while they're reading this forum, they may as well just post in a special forum rather than having to hunt us down. What do you think?

norats

now that we have some "official" word....

maybe they can give me an "official" explanation as to why I was the first pre-order/deposit at my dealership, but a few other cars will be arriving at the dealer before mine. Two or three made the first boat. NOT MINE. Not only did it not make the first....it didn't make the second boat. This is messed up.


yeah, that's right....... FIRST = LAST

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
ok everybody i just received a phone call at my office from someone working at mazda on the rx-8. they are reading EVERYBODIES comments here on the forum! the cars will be released next week! they are checking EVERY car by hand to make sure the cars are perfect! there is no special hold for a single day release. there is no overheating problems. there is no truck transport problems. they just have a port full of rx8s and they are checking them all by hand to make sure they are PERFECT! so the cars well be here next week officially!!! this is straight from mazda!! i know everybody was hopping for a pre-holiday release but unfortunately, it wont be until next week, so hopefully now every body can relax a little knowing the cars will be here very soon!!
:D :D :D

Hey, you really do know someone at Mazda.

I bet they show up on July "8", or 7-8, there's special meaning to those numbers.

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
youre missing out on your 8 to go to MEXICO!?!?!?!!! BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHa oh man, you ALMOST deserve it...but remember, BRING YOUR OWN WATER! blahahAHAHAHAHAHAahahahAHAHaha

nah man, that realyl sucks though, im too excited now to even thype proerpy lol. look at this spelling, horrendous lol...oh my god...just a FEW MORE DAYS! waoh...its only tuesday...one week, NM! but just one more week...and they are ours....and PERFECT........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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ibfubar - I to thank you for all the help you've been. I personally know 3 people who have had you check their VIN for them ... sometimes repeatedly.

I've known that Mazda reads this forum and the rx7club.com forum for years. They'd be stupid not too. Thank you for passing along their words.

MY GOD! ITS EVEN MORE PERFECT THAN I PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT! thank god mazda is listening, knew they were, there were a few hints that they were awhile back....
i remember, as soon as i saw this car, i pointed and said "i got to get me one a [those]" everytime i look at one i fall back in love...i was just singin in to post how tired i am of waiting, but WAM! official release! man this is sweet!
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To: Ibfubar2000 and Budaman:

Thank you for going way beyond the expected. Your input and level of answering consistently was reassuring.

Forums are a living dynamic thing. We all can sit around and read what people are discussing, and then, BAM! Something gets under you skin and your laughing or making sure your getting your point across on the forum.

Ibfubar and Budaman, your posts were like being fed regularly.

Thank you for "filling us with the good stuff".

Mazda is very wise to listen to it's customers, or those who could be.

....I'm really looking forward to replacing my "beater car" 4-door 91 Geo Metro.

Shameless Plug for the Forum. Mazda, if you are reading this board, you understand you are getting valuable marketing info directly from the customer. Most company's would kill for that. How about a little donation to keep the board up! :p

Perhaps they should talk to Mazda Europe and tell them to do the same. Read Europe Forum and counter the negativity!!

It's probably fact that we'll be waiting until Oct/Nov though:mad:

Cheers
Oilman

I'm also wondering if Mazda Canada is also reading these posts. We seem to be getting very little information here until just recently in our posts, and even then it's sketchy. To date, we have received two shipments and they are still at port.

I'm assuming Mazda will not release Canadian cars until they are released in the states even though we only have 240 at port.

Or Mazda UK. We have had sweet FA from them although sending then group and single letter requesting information. We realise that there is now a delay with deliveries into the UK (Oct) but they could manage this information a bit better.

Only positive I can see is that you guys will be able to update us on the good, bad and ugly of actually owning the car.

rael

I haven't seen this many immediate replies in a while (not since the VIN status thing) - but - what does 'released' mean? Does it mean the cars will leave their respective port locations for the dealers on trucks, in general? Best I can tell is my dealer in MD is a good 4 hour drive from the port in NJ with no stops. But they're only getting a few of them so others will start out on the truck. Could it take a few days just to leave port, say Monday, to arrive at the dealer Weds - Thurs? or... ?

Thanks much Budaman and Fubar.

To Mazda: if my recollection is correct, corporate Mazda has always said delivery will be mid summer. So from that perspective, we are right on time.

My dealer, however, has been telling lies and half-truths since January. Although, the dealer is independent, communications directly from Mazda or better control of the dealers would be greatly appreciated.

I hope Mazda realizes the remarkable opportunity they have in this Forum, just given to them, without effort. Feeding the Forum reliable information, funding and perks would really help customer relations.

Fubie, you're the best!

Finally, dispelling rumors about the poor schmucks who have to drive 15k miles right quick before cars are released. They were probably parked on the side of the road overheated, if they were actually ever in 8's at all, cuz it's all probably a big Mazda conspiracy anyway. Thank goodness we had tape from Tacoma to prove 8's actually exist. I wonder if those Mazda techs ever caught up with the ship loads of cars all across the globe to switch out parts they forgot to test...

How can we be sure Mazda is actually checking cars, or simply perpetuating the coverup conspiracy? Is the truth really out there?

bwahahahaha

Ya gotta admit, this forum's been an inane rumor feeding frenzy.

Oh, crap! I'm winning the lottery next week. RX-8 delivery is *not* convenient for me at that time. Darn that Mazda, it's all their fault! hahahaha Oh, the whining!

I'll see you in my new 8 NEXT WEEK. Thanks again Fubie! :)

No disrespect to IBFUBAR, it appears that he and Budaman did all they could to break the apparent planned lack of info being provided by Mazda corporate. It was the fact that they said they would provide periodic updates at various milestones (VIN assigned, build date, ship date, etc.), and did not deliver that has so many customers peaved. Using IBFUBAR as an informal deliverer of updates is lame.

They established a formal customer relations office that has all the preorderer adresses and should be providing formal updates as they promised. What about the poor schmo's who have preordered, put down money, and don't monitor the Forum, who is going to deliver this update to them. I'm sure Mazda has left that up to each individual dealer to make up excuses as they see fit, they are car salesmen. If Mazda truly was informing all dealer, they would all be delivering the same story, this thread is proof that that did not and is not happening.

If Mazda is monitoring this Forum, heres some advice. Your customer service department, is not, did not, and oviously will not keep the promises that Mazda corporate made to its RX8 preorder customers. If they're not family, you need to fire them.

All the lack of info, and unplanned delays, has everyone close to the situation thinking that something is wrong with this car. And no informal thread by a Mazda employee is going to make that go away. You think your car is getting gone over with a fine tooth comb at port, now I will truly go over my car very closely, where I might not have before. All the delays and secrecy will have a direct effect on your warranty claims. Oh look here theres a wire bundle not tied down behind my glove box. Whats this a stain on the carpet underneath my back seat. You get the message, what goes around, comes around.

Interesting comments:

This makes me think about being younger and working on my car and wanting to get advice from someone (free if they would talk to me - since I had very little money) about how to take this part off my car, or what does it take to pull the transmission.

What I'm saying is that - you can tell with some people, if they'll share their knowledge with you or not. Others won't. Usually, I would then seek out someone else who would answer my "beginning mechanic" needs.

What is that I wanted to get? I wanted to have someone tell me how to do the work so I didn't have to pay to have them or someone else do it, and save money.

Some might say that that is a cheap way treating the service department; asking how it's fixed or how to do it myself.

I know otherwise; this is the very reason I would go back to such a place because I knew that they were credable. Yeah there were times I couldn't fix something. Who do you think I chose to take care of my car needs? Yeah, the guy who took the time to listen to me previously. NOT the guy who just blew me off as some kid with no respect for the dealership.

The dealerships are independent businesses in themselves. Yeah they represent "Mazda", and maybe a whole bunch of other car companies also, depending who they are.

If my local grocery store sells Hagen Daes ice cream, I'm going there no matter what the place may be like (within reason); because they have the product that I want.

I think dealerships are the same. Everyone of them is different but the all sell the RX-8. Who's responsible for the product? Mazda, not the dealership....and I think they are trying to do a good job....at least it seems to be the case....since someone I've never met with the name "Ibfubar2000" (you'll have to tell us what that means....no wait, don't...you could just end up being hounded by my "types") has listened to me....which, as I've already lengthfully stated, makes all the difference in the world to me, the customer.

Fubs, Budaman, and others have showed something special in their dedication to this forum that I find credable. What's in it for them? It doesn't come across as a sales pitch at all; I like that.

Yesterday (July 2nd) I called my dealership to see if they knew anything about when my car would be in. I was talking to the receptionist. She stated that the car was not coming till sometime in August. I started to ask for salesperson names and none of them were in. Basically I got zero info from my dealership.

Then I get on the forum and here is Fubes doing it again, giving us info to help us know what's going on......And it's MAZDA who really is listening so as to tell us what to expect, and they decide to contact Fubes to let us know --- way cool and unexpected!

Dealerships are the weak link and we must all be careful with who we are dealing with. I think managing what you want a dealership to be like would be very hard, sort of like 3 different Italian restaurants; all serve food, but we all know who has the best service, which is part of the reason we decide to continue to go there.

Sorry for the length, but I hope it gets the concept across.

Originally posted by QuantumTheory08
...since someone I've never met with the name "Ibfubar2000" (you'll have to tell us what that means....no wait, don't...you could just end up being hounded by my "types")

Not sure what the 2000 means (probably just the year), but IBFUBAR stands for:

I Be F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition (or Reason depending on who you ask). FUBAR is a common term used in the military and is quite old. ;)

If this isn't what he means for it to stand for, then I have no clue. :)

Originally posted by oilman
Perhaps they should talk to Mazda Europe and tell them to do the same. Read Europe Forum and counter the negativity!!

It's probably fact that we'll be waiting until Oct/Nov though:mad:

Cheers
Oilman I left the UK because of the weather from October to March - talk about grey, wet and dreary. But then so is April to September except for that week of summer in June...;)

There are 2 reasons the car is late.

1: Nationwide rollout. Lets get everyone the car at the same time and have a media blitz surrounding it. Simple, explosive, and impressive. So what if it pisses off the current customers, they already purchased so it does no real damage. (not a dig at you or mazda, just pure business)

2: They found an issue in japan. This is *NOT* a bad thing, its a first run of an ENTIRELY new car. Not just a slightly new car, or a rehash of another vehicle but entirely new. Something absolutely will be odd in terms of how it works. Rather than issue a TSB or recall which are expensive, fix it now. It could be as simple as a bolt that was not locktited and caused a rattle, or it could be something someone noticed and figured it should be fixed before a major rollout.

Ok, one more. Mazda does not want to repeat the rx-7 in terms of percieved reliability. They know the car is different, so mechanics will not be able to diagnose it properly off the bat. Any issue they fix BEFORE the mechanics get it will save them 10x the money, and allow them to build their reputation. Rep = sales.

Scot

Originally posted by Scot
There are 2 reasons the car is late.

1: Nationwide rollout. Lets get everyone the car at the same time and have a media blitz surrounding it. Simple, explosive, and impressive. So what if it pisses off the current customers, they already purchased so it does no real damage. (not a dig at you or mazda, just pure business)

2: They found an issue in japan. This is *NOT* a bad thing, its a first run of an ENTIRELY new car. Not just a slightly new car, or a rehash of another vehicle but entirely new. Something absolutely will be odd in terms of how it works. Rather than issue a TSB or recall which are expensive, fix it now. It could be as simple as a bolt that was not locktited and caused a rattle, or it could be something someone noticed and figured it should be fixed before a major rollout.
OK, first of all, this "Nationwide Rollout" has been fabricated on this forum based on total speculation. There has been NO confirmation that this is true.

Second, if there was a "recall/TSB" issued in japan, one would think that our Japanese members would have known and mentioned something about it - which they have not.

The way the rumors have been flying on this board, we should have a cure for cancer any day now!

Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
All the delays and secrecy will have a direct effect on your warranty claims. Oh look here theres a wire bundle not tied down behind my glove box. Whats this a stain on the carpet underneath my back seat. You get the message, what goes around, comes around.

well i hope you enjoy your rental car you will be driving in as you make your rx8 car payment, sine you wont be able to drive the rx8 because it is in the shop weaiting for a "special" wire clip that will probably be on back order for a month or so. oh and since it is a wiring harness it is probably safety item so the dealer can not give you back the car until the "special" wire comes in. oh please i wish you would bring your car into our service dept to have us look at it, our techs will need a car to test drive to se if the wire is still in place, we will have to put lots of miles and lots of test drives to make sure your car is done right. so enjoy your rental car!!

WHY IS EVERYBODY BEING SO NEGATIVE?? I THOUGHT I WAS DOING A GOOD THING BY TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT MAZDA TOLD ME. WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO ANALYZE IT? WHY CANT YOU JUST BE HAPPY THAT THE CAR WIOLL BE HERE NEXT WEEK? PERHAPS NEXT TIME THEY CALL I WILL JUST KEEP IT TO MYSELF!!!

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
WHY IS EVERYBODY BEING SO NEGATIVE?? I THOUGHT I WAS DOING A GOOD THING BY TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT MAZDA TOLD ME. WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO ANALYZE IT? WHY CANT YOU JUST BE HAPPY THAT THE CAR WIOLL BE HERE NEXT WEEK? PERHAPS NEXT TIME THEY CALL I WILL JUST KEEP IT TO MYSELF!!!


I 2ND THAT... SHUTUP ALLREADY! :o

are 3rds allowed? one more week - +/- a day or two.

IB/2000 - can you give me your interpretation about the 'release' - does it mean from the various ports to the dealers? (PM if you'd like), thanks!

Agreed, with all the complaints about not having received any info, you'd think that once we have some info people would be happy. Maybe this is why we haven't heard anything - because when we do, there's so many people bitching and moaning.

Sure I would have liked to have my car last week, but oh well. It doesn't change when I get the car, but at least now I know why and when.

Originally posted by rx8daniel
are 3rds allowed? one more week - +/- a day or two.

IB/2000 - can you give me your interpretation about the 'release' - does it mean from the various ports to the dealers? (PM if you'd like), thanks!

yes. next week the cars will be released from the port to the dealers. so depending on how long it takes to get to the dealer, how long the dealer takes to pdi it, and how long the dealer wants to wait to sale it. is when we can expect the cars.

don't worry, be happy.....

doo doo doo da doo doo dah doo

Ibfubar2000 wrote: PERHAPS NEXT TIME THEY CALL I WILL JUST KEEP IT TO MYSELF!!!


FUBAR: Most of us truly appreciate the information and favors you have done for the forum. Please, don't let a few malcontents discourage you.

It seems the frustration level for some of us is pushing us to the limit. Let's keep in mind, this is supposed to be FUN! Rumors, misinformation, flames, complaints, facts, video, etc., all of it is part of the experience. The bottom line is we are some mostly well informed people that love cars.

Pretty soon I expect the tenor of the forum to change dramatically as we share our experiences and reactions to our new 8s. Let's have fun with this and go with the flow.

Originally posted by LesPaul
Ibfubar2000 wrote: PERHAPS NEXT TIME THEY CALL I WILL JUST KEEP IT TO MYSELF!!!


FUBAR: Most of us truly appreciate the information and favors you have done for the forum. Please, don't let a few malcontents discourage you.

It seems the frustration level for some of us is pushing us to the limit. Let's keep in mind, this is supposed to be FUN! Rumors, misinformation, flames, complaints, facts, video, etc., all of it is part of the experience. The bottom line is we are some mostly well informed people that love cars.

Pretty soon I expect the tenor of the forum to change dramatically as we share our experiences and reactions to our new 8s. Let's have fun with this and go with the flow.

yeah and its beacuse most of the people do appreciate the info that i will continue to look up vins and any/all info i get will be posted. it is just a little discouraging, when i think i am doing a good thing and it just seems to fuel the flames. i try to be nice and it slaps me in the face sometimes, but i guess i will just keep getting slapped by everybody, most on the back and a few in the face....

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
it is just a little discouraging, when i think i am doing a good thing and it just seems to fuel the flames. i try to be nice and it slaps me in the face sometimes, but i guess i will just keep getting slapped by everybody, most on the back and a few in the face.... Another one for your back here. :)

I'd like to say that I apologize on behalf of our more petulant members, but they'd probably get snippity about that, too. :rolleyes:

I will say it once again, I did not mean any disrespect to IBFUBAR. I do believe you and budaman have been great on this forum. I think you have misunderstood my comments.

When I first ordered my car on the website, I was told to go to my local Mazda dealer and work out the price. Quality Mazda specifically stated the first vehicles were due in mid May. They had documents to show this date. We put down the deposit and waited patiently. We have never heard a word from Mazda, and our dealer did not receive any information from Mazda. We were contacted by the dealer in mid May and told the car would arrive prior to June 15th. Again, the dealer showed us the printouts verifying this. Well, on June 12th we were again contacted and advised there was another delay. No reasons given, and our dealer was a bit concerned about the lack of information they were receiving. We were then called a week later and told the car wasn't in the first allocation. The Pensacola dealership had the car we wanted in the first allocation and so Quality Mazda refunded our deposit and we put the money down on the Pensacola car. We were given a date of July, Week 2, and then it was moved to July, Week 1. We talked with the dealer on Wednesday and they were expecting the car on Thursday. We arranged for Thursday off. Wednesday afternoon we receive a call stating that all dealers were informed during a conference call that the cars were not being released until Monday, July 7th. The dealer said it could take up to a week, once they were released, to be received by the dealership. No guarantee that the car would be to us next week.

My concern is that Mazda stated on its webpage that the RX8 was coming in summer 2003. That is fine. But don't tell the dealers mid May, then delay until June, and then delay until July. I don't know that anything is wrong with these cars. For all I know, they could all be perfect. Mazda has a responsibility to keep the buyers informed. They were the ones who stated they would send out the informational emails at critical points during the manufacturing and shipping process. And the information should be sent to everyone, not just on this forum, repeat everyone who has placed a deposit on an RX8. I would wait until October, November, or even later to get this car, but they need to let me know that is the expected delivery date. Don't say one thing, and do another.

I don't appreciate the nasty comment about the stain in the car. Maybe you don't understand that we have had constant rain in this area for almost a month, and a tropical storm. If inspectors are getting in and out of these vehicles to hand inspect them, it is very possible that dirt and footprints could be left in the car. To insinuate that it would be something other than this is low. Also, I don't know that these cars are covered, and thus, may be subject to the elements, which would not happen in my possession. I would have the car in the garage or covered.

I hope the cars are delivered next week. I would like for Mazda to maybe state this on its webpage. They are capable of updating this site with delivery information. I think more buyers are aware of the MazdaUSA website than this forum.

I also wanted to tell you, IBFUBAR, that I do give you a slap on the back. You have unselfishly provided many people with information that was not provided by the dealers. You did not have to spend your time providing VIN information and status. I don't believe Mazda should have put the responsibility on you to keep the forum members informed. I think all of the dealerships, nationwide, should have been responsible for getting the information to their buyers.

If I have offended you, I apologize. But I stand by my Mazda corporation comments. It is their responsibility to keep the buyers informed. I feel they have failed in this responsibility.

Thanks for the update FooBar! I'm suprised that they are checking the cars one-by-one before final destination. I would have guessed that would be done at the dealership during the final prep. just before customer delivery. Won't the train and car carriers shake rattle and roll the cars just a little? Anyway, it good to hear that they are even closer.

IFUBAR do you have ANY info about the Canadian vehicles?? You seem to be an incredible source of knowledge and a definite asset to this forum!!

Originally posted by Doug DeBug
Thanks for the update FooBar! I'm suprised that they are checking the cars one-by-one before final destination. I would have guessed that would be done at the dealership during the final prep. just before customer delivery. Won't the train and car carriers shake rattle and roll the cars just a little? Anyway, it good to hear that they are even closer.
yes the dealers do a pre delivery inspection. but some dealers arent as thourough as others.and by doing it themself one by one in the port they can be sure that they are leaving the oport perfect. as far as drivability and stuff. the dealers will still be doing the final inspection.

Originally posted by TiRX8
IFUBAR do you have ANY info about the Canadian vehicles?? You seem to be an incredible source of knowledge and a definite asset to this forum!!

i just got lucky with the info ihave so far. i am glad that mazda was able to track me down through the forum and call me with the info. i hope they call back with any more info they would like to share. or even if they just want to talk some more they can always call!! as far as canadien vehicle, unfortunately i have no way to check anything on them, but if i do find anything out i will let you guys know!

Thanks!!

Foo & Bud:

You have done a great service for all of us. forget the less than 1% who are whiners and naysayers. If you consider there is now over 2400 members on this forum and less than 10 whine, that is less than 1%. That means 98+% of us are HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY and are looking forward to being in our cars in just a few days.
My only worry now is selling my '99 10 A.E. Miata by the time the 8 arrives.
Have a Greta Holiday Weekend everyone.:p :p :p

So... ibfubar, they didn't tell you when they'll be released next week? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...??? Saying they'll be released next week without a specific date seems pretty vague. A week before release and they're still not sure exactly when they're going to let them go?

Originally posted by javahut
So... ibfubar, they didn't tell you when they'll be released next week? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...??? Saying they'll be released next week without a specific date seems pretty vague. A week before release and they're still not sure exactly when they're going to let them go? remember release is just released from the port. how long it takes to get to the dealers i do not know. i shouldve asked for an exact day, but i was just excited to hear from mazda personally telling me next week. i didnt even think of asking for a exact day. perhaps they will call me back...

We were contacted by the dealer in mid May and told the car would arrive prior to June 15th. Again, the dealer showed us the printouts verifying this.

Not sure how long you've been reading this forum, but its pretty much common knowledge that you should not listen to most dealers regarding delivery date - they know less than we do. (except for ibfubar200, budaman) We've been told via a press release (I think), way-back-when, that to expect 1st allocation delivery somwhere in the June, July, August range. Well, with the latest info being mid July, I'd say they kept their promise.

Anyway, big deal, we've waited this long, what's a couple more weeks, or a few more days?

Fubs and Buda:

you guys are the bomb!!!!!

...I just had to say that.

MAZDA - IF YOU ARE READING THIS... WHERE THE FUCKING HELL IS MY RX-8, MY VIN #, MY BOOK, MY CD ROM, and MY EMAIL!?

Originally posted by Efini 8
MAZDA - IF YOU ARE READING THIS... WHERE THE FUCKING HELL IS MY RX-8, MY VIN #, MY BOOK, MY CD ROM, and MY EMAIL!?

ask your dealer. he is the one that ordered it. if the dealer does not order ir corectly, you wont get your stuff. not mazda problem, dealer problem call him and ask him what info he put in when/if he ordered it.

Originally posted by Efini 8
MAZDA - IF YOU ARE READING THIS... WHERE THE FUCKING HELL IS MY RX-8, MY VIN #, MY BOOK, MY CD ROM, and MY EMAIL!?

Efini 8,

You are a shoe in for West RX-8 Forum Moderator, keep up the good work...

Originally posted by Efini 8
MAZDA - IF YOU ARE READING THIS... WHERE THE FUCKING HELL IS MY RX-8, MY VIN #, MY BOOK, MY CD ROM, and MY EMAIL!?

Ifini 8,

You are showing your age.....

Originally posted by Efini 8
MAZDA - IF YOU ARE READING THIS... WHERE THE FUCKING HELL IS MY RX-8, MY VIN #, MY BOOK, MY CD ROM, and MY EMAIL!?

That is funny!

I feel for you man!

Just posted to the Canadian forum, dealer says they are loading the cars in Vancouver (New Westminister) on trucks next week!!!

I suspect it's the same for you Americans (though not sure you deserve these cars ;) .

Just kidding, you've all waited long enough! :D

Just reading these posts makes me feel lucky. I ordered last week, and they are promising delivery by the end of the month. As long as it comes before the end of August, I will be happy.

I do relate to the stories of long waits and changed delivery times.

Wednesday, 7-9-03, gone. Two days left?

thats what i was gunna say!
however, if released any day this week (almost passed) then they will definately be here next week. for all we know we could get the calls friday or monday or something like that

ibfubar2000, budaman,
you guys have done us all an incredible service. i know that we are all appreciative, even those that seem to be aggravated at the moment. but alas, they will be happy soon it seems!
thanks again
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Just wanted to throw a general thanks out to all of you and a special thanks to Fubar and Budaman. As a newbie to this forum, rotary engines, and sports cars in general, you have all been very helpful. :D