An article in my newly arrived Automobile mag has info on the new upcoming SRT4. Mopar previously offered stage 1 turbo upgrade for $399 pushing hp to 240, a stage 2 turbo for $999 pushing 260hp or for $1599 pushing 265 hp.

Mopar is now offing a stage 3 trubo upgrade for $1195 that will push 310 hp with 325 lb, or 355 hp and 365lb. with 100 octane gas. this package also comes with upgrade wheels and tires, adjustable damper, new rear tension struts, larger front anitiroll bar, and all seats will harness belts.

I would say with that kinda of numbers, it seems to blow the doors off an Evo and STI, and for the price these things will go for, I can't see anything touching this car. This car will definitely push the competition upwards and hopefully Mazda will jump on the bandwagon...Thumbs-up for those boys at Dodge.

Now all this car needs is a redesign of the body so it doesn't look so much like a neon...

Yay for straightline racing.

Like anything above stage 2, there is no more warranty on the SRT4 once you move up to a stage 3.

At the end of the day, this car is still a FWD understeering machine that is generally owned by 18 year old kids who do nothing but street race it.

no thanks. jesus, there's more to life than horsepower.

An article in my newly arrived Automobile mag has info on the new upcoming SRT4. Mopar previously offered stage 1 turbo upgrade for $399 pushing hp to 240, a stage 2 turbo for $999 pushing 260hp or for $1599 pushing 265 hp.

Mopar is now offing a stage 3 trubo upgrade for $1195 that will push 310 hp with 325 lb, or 355 hp and 365lb. with 100 octane gas. this package also comes with upgrade wheels and tires, adjustable damper, new rear tension struts, larger front anitiroll bar, and all seats will harness belts.

I would say with that kinda of numbers, it seems to blow the doors off an Evo and STI, and for the price these things will go for, I can't see anything touching this car. This car will definitely push the competition upwards and hopefully Mazda will jump on the bandwagon...Thumbs-up for those boys at Dodge.

Now all this car needs is a redesign of the body so it doesn't look so much like a neon...

The redesign of the body is coming and this isn't exactly news. People have been upgrading turbos in SRT-4s long before there was stage 3. FYI you can upgrade Evos and STis as well :rolleyes: How much horsepower you want depends on how deep your pockets are just like most other cars. Yes some are easier and cheaper to upgrade, but all three of the cars you mention take very well to mods and for fairly cheap. When all is said and done I'll take the AWD ones, 300+whp in a FWD car would get tiresome in a hurry and doesn't make for a very practical car especially in areas with poor weather. 300+whp in the WRX, STi, and Evo is very easy to make and very streetable, even in the snow.

no thanks. jesus, there's more to life than horsepower.

My thoughts exactly...................................... The Neon is still a neon, just like the STi is still the WRX and the EVO is still the Lancer. They are what they are! The Fast and the Ugly!

Snow? WHAT SNOW?

My thoughts exactly...................................... The Neon is still a neon, just like the STi is still the WRX and the EVO is still the Lancer. They are what they are! The Fast and the Ugly!

Just like Cas is still clueless. Oh wait... my statement is actually true.

that much HP on FWD?... I'll pass

Although I hate the neon, I have to give props to dodge. IMO, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep are the best domestics. The srt doesn't handle that bad but Im sure the higher the hp on them the more torque steer it will have.

Don't for get to crank roll those back windows too. The SRT-4 is a cheap ass car with a big horsepower motor in it, I want a car that is best all around, anyone can go in a straightline, lets see one on a mountain road and see where it is then. The EVO could use some enhancements to the interior as well. The STI seems to be the best made car out of the 3

okay, I'm sure it would keep up with you just fine in the twisties.

I for one wish more cars had roll down windows, I like that, old school.

okay, I'm sure it would keep up with you just fine in the twisties.

I for one wish more cars had roll down windows, I like that, old school.

The Ferrari F50 has rolldown windows as well, what a piece of crap... :p

Just like Cas is still clueless. Oh wait... my statement is actually true.

Your statement is False is misleading. Just because your blind to the fact and too Stubborn to admit anything because your so stuck on these type of cars.

Dude you are freakin clueless, get off your freaking ban wagon about the STi and EVO. What I stated is true......................... Their all Fast and very ugly! They are all twins but one has been dressed up and worked out. Can you comprehend that or should I explain that to your stubborn self?

And the EVo............

It is the fact that the front 2 are power and the rear are not, why cheap out like that finish what you started, but no that is American car companies for you!

Your statement is False is misleading.
ummm no.

ummm no.

Like I expect a different answer from you..................... you and Ike are on the same wagon!

what wagon, I drive a freakin solara. I have no wagon, what I have is intelligence and respect.

what wagon, I drive a freakin solara. I have no wagon, what I have is intelligence and respect.

Respect For what? WRX and Lancer? Dude anyone can drop a turbo into a car with AWD and call it a day. Atleast they could have put some looks into consideration. No one is knocking their performance factor......................... get a clue.

You and Ike are on the ban wagon of AWD Rally Cars with Turbos.

i'd love to see the SRT-4 come in AWD and still be cheap... but how realistic is it to expect that? Ike, when is the new SRT-4 design coming out and what will it look like? Link?

I must say i used to be a die-hard fan of the 8 for its all-around performance (but most importantly its looks), but i'm slowly swaying towards the STi and the EVO... because i'm finally starting to see them for what they are: ridiculously fast cars with brilliant handling. The 8 is a beautiful car with brilliant handling. Tough call.

That's basically what the did too, they took their entry level compact car and added all wheel Drive and a Turbo. (and of course some other things) But its still their entry level car with some upgrades. Maybe if they had their own designs and then dropped the Performance in them I would show a little more respect towards those cars. But they didnt.......................

No, not everyone can drop a turbo in a car and call it a day. Evidenced by the fact that its been a year and a half and the 8 is just begining to see turbos.

If I am on any bandwagon its the midengined, rear drive bandwagon.

Your statement is False is misleading. Just because your blind to the fact and too Stubborn to admit anything because your so stuck on these type of cars.

Dude you are freakin clueless, get off your freaking ban wagon about the STi and EVO. What I stated is true......................... Their all Fast and very ugly! They are all twins but one has been dressed up and worked out. Can you comprehend that or should I explain that to your stubborn self?

Since you can't tell the difference between your and you're, nor their and they're, I certainly don't expect you to tell the difference between these cars. Maybe next time you'll actually get a picture of an STi for your little comparo :rolleyes: No one is saying they don't have similar looks, beyond that the cars have very little in common with their "twin".

No, not everyone can drop a turbo in a car and call it a day. Evidenced by the fact that its been a year and a half and the 8 is just begining to see turbos.

If I am on any bandwagon its the midengined, rear drive bandwagon.

I was talking from a manufactures stand point....................................

i'm not gonna deny that the EVO, STi and SRT-4 aren't the prettiest things in the world. I think everyone can agree as much on that as we can agree that nobody can knock these machines' performance

Respect For what? WRX and Lancer? Dude anyone can drop a turbo into a car with AWD and call it a day. Atleast they could have put some looks into consideration. No one is knocking their performance factor......................... get a clue.

You and Ike are on the ban wagon of AWD Rally Cars with Turbos.

Ban wagon, bwahahaha!

I was talking from a manufactures stand point....................................
Sure, you don't think mazda would want to cash in, where is their turbo. Fuck, they should be able to design, impliment it, then be home for dinner. It's really easy right?

That's basically what the did too, they took their entry level compact car and added all wheel Drive and a Turbo. (and of course some other things) But its still their entry level car with some upgrades. Maybe if they had their own designs and then dropped the Performance in them I would show a little more respect towards those cars. But they didnt.......................

Yep, they added AWD to the Impreza for the STi and WRX :rolleyes: If you had any clue what you were talking about you'd know you just can't throw AWD and a Turbo in something and call it a day. It's just not that simple and cars like the Evo and STi have gone through many years of improvements and each year they get better. Also you'd know that turboing the Impreza RS usually ends poorly because it's not built with boost in mind, just like every other N/A car on the road.
But I've explained this to you multiple times and it just doesn't seem to sink in.

Since you can't tell the difference between your and you're, nor their and they're, I certainly don't expect you to tell the difference between these cars. Maybe next time you'll actually get a picture of an STi for your little comparo :rolleyes: No one is saying they don't have similar looks, beyond that the cars have very little in common with their "twin".

I didn't know I was writing a paper for my Professor. Like I said before stay sleeping on the couch in your parents house while searching the boards................. You want to try in correct my irrelevant errors then we can do that. Obviously I can see where you are in your life.( Sleeping on the Couch) I on the other hand, am only 23 and have my own business along with Graduating Next Month from the University of Maryland with a Degree in Computer Science and Internet Technology.

Next time I have to turn in a paper Professor Ike, let me know

We can say that every car from every manufacture has similar characteristics. :rolleyes: The cars I showed above or more alike by far......................

what is it about writing for the internet that makes people think it's ok to throw proper grammar out the window?

Sure, you don't think mazda would want to cash in, where is their turbo. Fuck, they should be able to design, impliment it, then be home for dinner. It's really easy right?

This is not true, Mazda could easily make the 8 turbo but that wasn't their intentions with the 8. Look at the first miata's, they were like 17 second cars but if you ever drive one you would still see the fun factor.

It's actually shocking to me that you are graduating from university. I honestly thought you were 16. As well, any retard can own a business, hell, I own a business. It's not hard, nor impressive.

This is not true, Mazda could easily make the 8 turbo but that wasn't their intentions with the 8. Look at the first miata's, they were like 17 second cars but if you ever drive one you would still see the fun factor.
I wasn't saying mazda should have brought the 8 out in turbo form. They could have designed turbos, solved all the problems and sold the rights to different companies. They could have offered mazdaspeed turbos which don't void the warranty. There would have been plenty of ways for them to cash in on the major complaint of their car. And, quite frankly, seeing as how they could have done all this in a single day, they would be fools not too.

Perhaps it's the same thing that lets them believe capitalization is not needed? :) (Sorry, I just HAD to !)

what is it about writing for the internet that makes people think it's ok to throw proper grammar out the window?

It's actually shocking to me that you are graduating from university. I honestly thought you were 16. As well, any retard can own a business, hell, I own a business. It's not hard, nor impressive.

Owning one and keeping one are two different things...................... U two can jump on me all you want. Thought I was 16? Ha now that's funny. I voice my opinions and thats the kind of treatment I get? You can try to cut me down as much as you want. People like you, have to be yourself for the rest of your life................................... That's punishment enough.

what is it about writing for the internet that makes people think it's ok to throw proper grammar out the window?

Not trying to say anything like that but I'm sorry if I don't use proper grammar all the time. U do? Even when talking to your friends? A lot of people on here right fast and aren't looking at their grammar mistakes. Sorry if I'm not perfect ................... :rolleyes:

Perhaps it's the same thing that lets them believe capitalization is not needed? :) (Sorry, I just HAD to !)
hahahaha!! Ok, ok, I'll start capitalizing... But just for this thread!!

Haha, I am enjoying my punishment thus far and it's only getting sweeter.

I am doing well keeping my business too, not hard.

Not trying to say anything like that but I'm sorry if I don't use proper grammar all the time. U do? Even when talking to your friends? A lot of people on here right fast and aren't looking at their grammar mistakes. Sorry if I'm not perfect ................... :rolleyes:
Yeah I try to keep my grammar proper. Even when talking to friends. Oh and I'm not slow at typing, trust me.

I've noticed that a lot of people's language in the US has deteriorated to the point that Jay Leno still has enough people to come by that don't know shit, let alone being capable of writing or speaking properly (the JayWalking bit). Proper language isn't essential (especially to this thread) but I still think it matters.

Besides, I just realized you wrote "people here right fast". It's "write", not "right". So it's not about writing fast, it's to the point where you can't spell it right. Pun intended.

I wasn't saying mazda should have brought the 8 out in turbo form. They could have designed turbos, solved all the problems and sold the rights to different companies. They could have offered mazdaspeed turbos which don't void the warranty. There would have been plenty of ways for them to cash in on the major complaint of their car. And, quite frankly, seeing as how they could have done all this in a single day, they would be fools not too.

The way I see it, the 8 doesn't need a turbo at all. Sure a turbo would be nice for a drag enthusiest but on an autox track it is very capable. I would even say it has more potential then the previous 7. Remember, the rotary is very capable and reliable in the tuners eyes. Unfortunatly all the fd's blowing up from bad tuning made the general public think less of the rotary. The 8 was made to bring back the confidence of the general public that they lost in the 90's.

Whoops, I forgot something......................................... ....................................

Haha, I am enjoying my punishment thus far and it's only getting sweeter.

I am doing well keeping my business too, not hard.

Guess it depends on what type of business you have.................

Guess it depends on what type of business you have.................

Yep............................................... .....................

Yeah I try to keep my grammar proper. Even when talking to friends. Oh and I'm not slow at typing, trust me.

I've noticed that a lot of people's language in the US has deteriorated to the point that Jay Leno still has enough people to come by that don't know shit, let alone being capable of writing or speaking properly (the JayWalking bit). Proper language isn't essential (especially to this thread) but I still think it matters.

Besides, I just realized you wrote "people here right fast". It's "write", not "right". So it's not about writing fast, it's to the point where you can't spell it right. Pun intended.

I have other things going on besides trying to reply back. If you think I don't know the difference between right and write then your truly misguided. Maybe you should become a English Teacher or even more a perfectionist?

opps I messed up again...........

Yep............................................... .....................

Talk about thinking someone was 16. I'd give Ike that

The way I see it, the 8 doesn't need a turbo at all. Sure a turbo would be nice for a drag enthusiest but on an autox track it is very capable. I would even say it has more potential then the previous 7. Remember, the rotary is very capable and reliable in the tuners eyes. Unfortunatly all the fd's blowing up from bad tuning made the general public think less of the rotary. The 8 was made to bring back the confidence of the general public that they lost in the 90's.

Okay. So you don't see a need. I do, so do many others. I don't want to drag race either, and I don't really like autocross. Give me a track and more horsepower and this car would be perfect.

I don't really understand how confidence from the general public fits in with aftermarket turbos though, they're inevitable.

I have other things going on besides trying to reply back. If you think I don't know the difference between right and write then your truly misguided. Maybe you should be come a English Teacher or even more a perfectionist?

opps I messed up again. LOL

My misguided?

My misguided?

HUH?

Let's rename this Thread to English 101?

lol

Okay. So you don't see a need. I do, so do many others. I don't want to drag race either, and I don't really like autocross. Give me a track and more horsepower and this car would be perfect.

I don't really understand how confidence from the general public fits in with aftermarket turbos though, they're inevitable.

So your problem is solved. Buy the 8 and get aftermarket FI. Most FD's upgraded anyways to aftermarket so what's the difference. When your trying to make a car appeal to a wide range of demographic, adding a turbo would be loved by some but not by all. Plus Mazda is no where near making a profit yet on the rotary. It doesn't make economical sense for Mazda to produce a mass market turbo car. Ppl will always up the boost and not tune. This will result in a warrenty nightmare. Again your comparing a piston to a rotary.

What is going on? I never said they should produce a turbo car, nor do I want them too. I clearly said the should produce an aftermarket turbo, or at least design it and sell the rights to it. You know, since they can do it in an afternoon.

What is going on? I never said they should produce a turbo car, nor do I want them too. I clearly said the should produce an aftermarket turbo, or at least design it and sell the rights to it. You know, since they can do it in an afternoon.

I just don't think mazda wants to take responsibility if a sudden boost spike occurs and then boom. Obviously, Mazda would have to guarentee these kits. What happens if someone buys this kit and then buys an aftermarket exhaust? This would unintentionally up the boost. The rotary engine needs constent tunning after every mod to run right if turboed.

Your statement is False is misleading. Just because your blind to the fact and too Stubborn to admit anything because your so stuck on these type of cars.

Dude you are freakin clueless, get off your freaking ban wagon about the STi and EVO. What I stated is true......................... Their all Fast and very ugly! They are all twins but one has been dressed up and worked out. Can you comprehend that or should I explain that to your stubborn self?

Well in your post you said an SRT4 is just a Neon and so on and so forth......

I think Ike responded that way because internally, an SRT4 and a Neon, or a WRX and an STI are very different.. they are not the same.

However I see what you're saying.....they look the "same" on the outside and thus to the "general" public they ARE the "same"... SRT4 to the avg joe will always be nothing more than a Neon and this would be a factor to the many people who actually care what others think of their ride...

Ike apparently does not care....

Just a difference in opinion i suppose

I am inclined to disagree!

Well in your post you said an SRT4 is just a Neon and so on and so forth......

I think Ike responded that way because internally, an SRT4 and a Neon, or a WRX and an STI are very different.. they are not the same.

However I see what you're saying.....they look the "same" on the outside and thus to the "general" public they ARE the "same"... SRT4 to the avg joe will always be nothing more than a Neon and this would be a factor to the many people who actually care what others think of their ride...

Ike apparently does not care....

Just a difference in opinion i suppose

Your preaching to the choir here. I was just making a comment about Cas' thought that anyone can slap a turbo in a car and call it a day. It's simply not the case, and you're just reenforcing that notion. I am really not trying to justify mazda's involvement. I couldn't care less what they do

I am inclined to disagree!

ok thats nice

I will agree with you TOD. I think it just suprises some people that a "car enthusiast" could be about as smart as the average joe when it comes to a car.

Your preaching to the choir here. I was just making a comment about Cas' thought that anyone can slap a turbo in a car and call it a day. It's simply not the case, and you're just reenforcing that notion. I am really not trying to justify mazda's involvement. I couldn't care less what they do

I don't know why you bother arguing with cas. You and I both know he knows his shit. ;)

no it isnt!

ok thats nice

Ok, I got an announcement to make!... BREATHE EVERYONE!!! :D That is all.

Everyone done breathing yet?

Ok, now let's get back to our pointless bickering.

I couldn't care less what they do

This statement goes against everything else you just said. :p

What is this ban wagon? It seems to pass by here a lot.

300+HP in a FWD car; make sure you have hold of the steering wheel tightly when you mat it!

I think the reason most people give so little respect to Evo's, Sti's and Srt4are because of what they were, not what they are.

Let's face it, you can buy a civic and mod the crap out of it and it can give you awesome numbers ( the vid of the civic beating a viper comes to mind). Upgraded suspension, drivetrain, engine, wheels, tires, exhaust system, turbo, intercooler, and computer system. All upgrades to a basic car. What these companies did was put on all the after market mods that you would have put on, before they sold it too you. Thats why they get no respect. Awesome performance numbers but little respect.

The Iroc Z was still a modded camero, the cobra is still a modded mustang, and a SRT4 is a fast bastard but it IS...still a neon.

Ike, I know you can mod Sti's and Evo's to be faster but I was talking about stock from the dealer, right out of the box.

The SRT already has problems with torque steer...it should be worse.

...and I don't care how fast it goes, its still a neon. A cheap built car for a masses.

The SRT already has problems with torque steer...it should be worse.

...and I don't care how fast it goes, its still a neon. A cheap built car for a masses.

Could not agree more.

I can see how it would be nearly uncontrolable from a dead stop, given the torque steer, but what about with a street start? Would it blow the doors off of most sports cars?

After watching some SRTs in action at an autocross, I will never buy a turbocharged FWD car (not like I really was planning on it anyway).

I srts from stock to modded 300+ hp on the track, and while it was funny to watch thier fronts go up in smoke on every corner exit, I felt sorry for them. My RAW times were faster than all the SRTs, and when the class-leveling PAX handicap was applied... i destroyed them in my stock 8. LONG LIVE THE 8 ;)

Also saw some STis and EVOs in action... while better than the SRTs, they still understeered too much, though i imagine with some suspension tweaks and/or ACD settings, they could be set up to handle pretty well in autox.

You still have to give props to mopar for giving a bunch of young drivers access to cheap speed.... wonder what the insurace rates on those bad boys are :rolleyes:

If I'm gonna spend $25000 on a car, and my #1 concern is speed, I'd rather get a last years' base model 350Z with no options than a FRIGGIN NEON.

Besides the turboed engine...it's a Neon. The outside? Looks like a neon. Inside? Yep, looks like a cheap ass Neon (unless you consider the 'luxury' upgrades like a new shift knob...woohoo).

Seriously - at the end of the day, it's a Neon. Plain and simple.

This thread is so pointless that I thought I should post in it.

Everyone has a difference in taste, there are many views on this topic. Not everyone likes the SRT4, EVO, STI, or RX8. People have different wants and needs when buying a car. So get over it! :rolleyes:

my rental car right now is a neon :mad: . this thread reminds me of that guys sig. on here that compares arguing on the internet to the special olympics

i have to write in apa format all the time BUT this board, so excuse my not caring about grammar

I was cutting up a lime last night to put in my Corona, and I accidentally squirted some lime juice in my eye.

Owww!! That hurt!!!

this thread reminds me of that guys sig. on here that compares arguing on the internet to the special olympics

http://www.chocolatecityweb.com/arguing.jpg

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=48332&stc=1

Track times baby! Lets take these three cars out to buttonwillow and then we'll see who is giving who a run for the money. plenty of corners, hairpins, s turns, and sweepers, plus one straight on that track to test a car out. after we compair lap times, then u can say if the SRT-4 will give the EVO 8 or the STI a run for their money. ;)

If I'm gonna spend $25000 on a car, and my #1 concern is speed, I'd rather get a last years' base model 350Z with no options than a FRIGGIN NEON.

Besides the turboed engine...it's a Neon. The outside? Looks like a neon. Inside? Yep, looks like a cheap ass Neon (unless you consider the 'luxury' upgrades like a new shift knob...woohoo).

Seriously - at the end of the day, it's a Neon. Plain and simple.


Mugatu is wise......obey his dog!


woohooo...I'm now a member of the 1000 post club! :)

Mugatu is wise......obey his dog!


woohooo...I'm now a member of the 1000 post club! :)

me sooooo jealous! :D Now you could say anything and everyone will believe. ;)

I'm not even going to bother reading all the CRAP that is in this thread because it's seriously getting to be fanboy central here. Just learn to respect the cars for what they are. It's not like the 8 is god's gift to cars. Sure it's cool, but seriously get off your high horse, if it makes you feel better at the end of the day when you lose to an srt-4/sti/evo to say oh it was just a neon/impreza/lancer, so be it but argue and push your obviously ignorant point of view onto others is just downright childish.

Sometimes this board makes me sad to even be a fellow rx8 owner :(

This thread is awesome.

It starts out about how the SRT-4 might give the STi and EVO some competition in terms of performance
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A unrelated statement about how all 3 are ugly
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Argument ensues
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A silly statement about how gosh darn easy it is to make a car as fast as the SRT-4
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English lessons!
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How SRT4s are just Neons, STis are just Imprezas, and Evos are just Lancers.

whoo hoo!

Personally, I'm going to reserve judgement on the SRT-4 myself since I haven't driven one. I have driven a normal Neon (rental when my car was in the body shop) and it's a pile of crap - it DOES get you to point A to point B and is cheap to buy so it does have its advantages, but really... there's better cars to get.

All I know about the SRT-4 is its looks and reported power/speed. If it does drive like a normal Neon (which it shouldn't seeing it has way more horsepower) then I wouldn't hesitate to call it crap.

And actually for the ugliness of the cars, in my opinion they're not really ugly... they just doesn't look good and they really brings to mind annoying teenage racers so I don't like them much.

This statement goes against everything else you just said. :p
no no no. I am just saying there will be aftermarket turbos. Whether mazda gets in for there slice is up to them and I don't care about that. I just think it's funny Cas thinks its sooooo easy to do, when in reality its anything but.

Just put him on ignore, I have never seen anything worth reading from his posts. His spelling is sub-par, plus he has successfully made arguments without knowing any facts. Next time he posts something just pretend he isn't there. We will be saving bandwidth for something better to read. Like reactionary's posts ;)

Respect For what? WRX and Lancer? Dude anyone can drop a turbo into a car with AWD and call it a day. Atleast they could have put some looks into consideration. No one is knocking their performance factor......................... get a clue.


if ANYBODY can do so than why isnt ANYONE ELSE doing it and doing it better?

let's try to keep this one on topic which is basically:
Mopar is releasing stage 3 for the SRT-4 Neon.
It'll give it 325/325 on 100 octane (race gas at that point)
and it MIGHT compete with the WRX STI and EVO. That has yet to be seen.

IMHO: Handling will kill it.

let's try to keep this one on topic which is basically:
Mopar is releasing stage 3 for the SRT-4 Neon.
It'll give it 325/325 on 100 octane (race gas at that point)
and it MIGHT compete with the WRX STI and EVO. That has yet to be seen.

IMHO: Handling will kill it.



You just can't put that much power just to the front wheels and expect the car to handle.....some may say, "ya, but it will go fast in a straight line"...

....well I say good luck keeping it pointed in a straight line.

You just can't put that much power just to the front wheels and expect the car to handle.....some may say, "ya, but it will go fast in a straight line"...

....well I say good luck keeping it pointed in a straight line.
I totally agree with you there.
Ever seen a modded SRT 4 drag race? They're damn sloppy.

Just put him on ignore, I have never seen anything worth reading from his posts. His spelling is sub-par, plus he has successfully made arguments without knowing any facts. Next time he posts something just pretend he isn't there. We will be saving bandwidth for something better to read. Like reactionary's posts ;)


I would beg to differ. Let me guess your on the same page as Ike and Blue. That's cool with me. But Open your minds a little. Some manufactures don't need to put Turbo's in their cars to put up good numbers. As for the case with the S2000, G35, 350Z and RX8. I give more respect to them then I would the EVO, STi or SRT-4. It's kinda like an athletic sprinter with the natural abilities and another one that needs steroids to perform. My opinions are always subjective of course. But let me be.............. If I don't agree with something you say, I state why. Others that disagree with me on the other hand, say nothing. If you guys like the rally look, then good for you. BUT MOST DONT!

I'm not saying I'm the smartest car guy out there, but I know more then most give me credit for. There are more important things in this world than cars by the way.

I never stated that the EVO, STi and SRT-4 weren't great in the Performance category. Because I would be lying! I just don't see all the hype behind them when they look like entry level car with Steroids. Do you ever see me complain about a Porsche or Ferrari? No, because you get looks and performance with them!

let's try to keep this one on topic which is basically:
Mopar is releasing stage 3 for the SRT-4 Neon.
It'll give it 325/325 on 100 octane (race gas at that point)
and it MIGHT compete with the WRX STI and EVO. That has yet to be seen.

IMHO: Handling will kill it.


Sorry, will do

Just like Cas is still clueless. Oh wait... my statement is actually true.

This is why it got off topic just a few posts into the thread. Take someone's opinion "ugly" and turn it into a personal attack "clueless".

Moderators or Spectators, I can't decide.

Cas, sorry to get off topic again, but were you the guy who thought the AT RX-8s were faster than the MT ones? Because they shifted faster and so on... ;) Didn't you used to own an AT?

If not, I apologize...it must have been someone else. :)

SRT-4 is not in the same class as the EVO and STi. It's marketed toward people just getting out of highschool and college people. A souped up econo car.

Look at the advertisements for it ... "it's fast", "it's the most powerful car in it's class", "it has this kind of quarter mile time", etc. Those are the main punchlines for it.

I'm not downing the SRT-4, heck I've seen it run some tracks and IT CAN RUN THE TRACKS.

As far as 355hp in an FF, well Trial has a Celica GT-S with 400+hp for time attack and Top Secret has an Integra Type R pushing 450+hp for time attack. Understeer? Probably. But, it's in the balance and tuning. Wider tires up front, late power delivery to keep torque down when doing the slow part of "slow in, fast out", and most of all driving techniques.

I don't know much about all the technical stuff, but I think Mopar knows what they are doing, just like Top Secret and Trial (not on that level of course).

Cas, sorry to get off topic again, but were you the guy who thought the AT RX-8s were faster than the MT ones? Because they shifted faster and so on... ;) Didn't you used to own an AT?

If not, I apologize...it must have been someone else. :)

You're right - that's the guy!

Yeouch. :o

This is why it got off topic just a few posts into the thread. Take someone's opinion "ugly" and turn it into a personal attack "clueless".

Moderators or Spectators, I can't decide.
The difference is that we make a decision. I started reading this thread this morning here at work. I went to lunch and came back and it had turned to crap.

I decided that there was half way valuable information in this thread and not just to close it. I even discussed it with Zoom. I figured if we could get back on track to discussing the real topic at hand, rather than name calling and childish flaming, it might become a workable and even useful thread.

Maybe that's not true and maybe I'm giving people too much credit. I'd like to believe otherwise though.

In this case. It doesn't look that way.

and i didnt moderate it soon enough. i posted after reading just a little ways instead of having my moderator hat on. thats why we have more than one mod;)