.....unless you want to cancel your RX-8 order!

I drove a S2000 with a full HKS Induction/Manifold/Exhaust kit yesterday and loved it. I was really impressed with the way it drove. It felt almost as quick as my STi, but without the lag then kick of the turbo. Keep revving the bugger past 6k and reduce the temptation to change up, then all hell breaks loose. Fantastic :D

Unfortunately they are more expensive than the RX8 but I am now seriously considering it, and have looked at some more today. Waiting for a couple of calls from dealers for part-ex.

If I pay for the insurance, I can have one for all weekend next week on demo :D

I dont really need 4 seats and the wife has a sensible car, so Ive been talking myself into it all weekend. In the hot sunny weather today driving around in my mates Elan, I had almost made my mind up.

Still love the RX8, but the temptation to change now is stronger than ever. If the right deal is on the table I might be tempted............

See you Mark, It's been fun.

Also test drove an S2000 this weekend.

I'm looking at a used model for these.

3year old, 30,000 miles, 18.5k

Now that is a temptation. Drives just like my CRX, except double the horsepower, responsive handling, great feeling, and looks fantastic. Apart from that they are the same..:D

Oh, and can have one tomorrow if I wanted.;)

i did test drive one of those s2000 and almost signed pen to paper then i heard of the 8 which stopped me in my tracks.

To some degree i wished i had signed, then i wouldnt be going through this agony. MAZDA have a lot to answer for.

One factor which turned me of the s2000 is there are no options.

I wanted SAT NAV for it and was told, ermmmmm pass!

Originally posted by Lensman
See you Mark, It's been fun.

I havent gone yet, too many if's and buts. But yes I am thinking about it.

£25k asking price for this nice understated yellow beauty, with only 800 miles on the clock and that includes a hardtop. This is what I will be driving next weekend, hope the weather is nice.

Also looking at a less in your face blue one.

I joined the s2k forum today, to get some info and advice and there is a post on there from someone called 'floor it' who has cancelled their RX-8 order and bought an S2000. Dont think it is anyone on here though unless using a different user name.

MarkW,

Can't say I blame you!! Mazda only have themselves to blame, they should read this forum for a reality check!!

Cheers
Oilman

Looks nice Mark. I may take up the 'test' option and the idea of having one for the week-end is attractive (must be under some pressure to buy after that though!).

Although I fear with that test plus me enjoying the TTC more than ever during the spell of nice weather, the 8 is on a slippery slope.

Still in there and waiting for Mazda goodwill.

rael

There may well be a whole bunch of rx8 plates up for sale.


I am now so tempted to change that my plate N1 RXB may be up for grabs. I paid 500 quid for it as well.

Hi Markw,

re Floor It


It was me! couldnt really have M1 RX8 as my name on the s2ki foum.

I have ordered my S (gt) looking forward to the sound of VTEC :D :D

£200 for an x1 RXB plate , robertdickinson@No2SPAM_yahoo.co.uk :))

If it wasn't for the fact that the S2k isn't on my company car list it would be a car I would seriously think about getting.
I was having a short persuit with one yesterday and although not normally a racer I decided that if i pushed him a little he would give me a display on what it could do, sure enough we arrived at a piece of dual carriageway where he duely left me way behind.I drive a 325ci which is not exactly slow which made the performance difference so impressive.
It reminded me of my past favorite car which was my Honda civic VTi, regarded by all as a grandad's car but it revved and performed superbly.

Ed

Mark w ,i also have an alternative plan and that is a honda s2000 in yellow with a hard top ,there are currently 34 cars for sale t
hroughout australia 4 in yelllow rangingfrom 45,000 to 60,000.

In doing my reseach i have come accross a honda Mugen s 2000.

Look up WWW.Mugen-s2000.co.uk.

www.southern-counties.co.uk ,they sell a hotted up version of the s2000 under full honda warranty ,if the rx8 does not work out i may be temted in getting the MUGEN S 2000.

i am booked in for a test pre order drive of the rx8 on the 4th of july and i will post the pros and cons of the rx8 as seen by a potential owner, the pro drive is being held at willowbank raceway ,so its not a true test of everiday driving but should give a good indication of the rx8.

I HAVE TEST DRIVEN 4 HONDA S2000 , ANDhave been quite impressed ,so it should be an interesting comparison .

Originally posted by rael
Looks nice Mark. I may take up the 'test' option and the idea of having one for the week-end is attractive (must be under some pressure to buy after that though!).

Although I fear with that test plus me enjoying the TTC more than ever during the spell of nice weather, the 8 is on a slippery slope.

Still in there and waiting for Mazda goodwill.

rael

Just called my insurance co and it will cost me £15 to have it for the weekend so seems silly not to. :D I dont think it will put me under pressure as it was the dealer who offered, but it will give me a chance to use it on the roads I normally drive on and see what I think.

I think you would find it a bit hardcore after the TTC Rael, but its great in the nice weather with the roof down, and with the hardtop you get the best of both worlds.

This choosing a new car lark is really difficult, I seem to change my mind every few days :confused:

Mark

OMG. A brand new S2000 for the SAME price as an RX-8

Admittedly its a mainland europe sourced car, but it's full UK spec in any colour I want.

Immediate availability !!!:eek:

Prolly cheap cause of the new s2200 oming out soon.

Originally posted by RobDickinson
Prolly cheap cause of the new s2200 oming out soon.

From the little I've heard about the S2200, it's not a major improvement!

They've kept the bhp the same, just upped the low end torque, and softened up the suspension. Not so hard-core.

Originally posted by jimbobjoe
OMG. A brand new S2000 for the SAME price as an RX-8

Admittedly its a mainland europe sourced car, but it's full UK spec in any colour I want.

Immediate availability !!!:eek:

Where is that from Jimbobjoe?

I have emailed www.hondas-direct.co.uk but havent heard from them as yet. Apparently they can save you up to £2k on a UK sourced new car.

Jimbobjoe and those interested in the S2k,

Have you read the best motoring thread in the US comparing the RX8 to a number of other cars including the S2k?

Here are some of the comments regarding the S2K, the full thread is below

Remember this is against the US/JDM spec 250ps car, not our 231ps one.

AutoX type tight course: [RX-8, 350Z, G35C, BMW330 SMG, S2000)

RX-8 was rated to be the 2nd most fun to drive car right between S2000 and G35C.

S2000 pulled off the best time and most fun to drive honor.
.

Tsukuba Track 5 lap race: [Grid: Miata RS, RX-8, Integra R, S2000, G35C, Subaru WRX].

S2000 beat the RX-8 in acceleration, cornering, braking and handling.

The race finished with S2000 on top, followed by the G35C, Subaru WRX, Integra R, RX-8 and Miata RS was about half lap behind everyone else.

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?threadid=5332&highlight=s2000

note that there are statements that the rx8 was down on power due to stuck ports or something....

As much as I like the S2000, its starting to look its age. It must be almost 4 years old by now and I can't help wondering when the replacement is going to be launched. I might be wrong but i wouldn't be surprised if the next model is not launched within the next year or 2

Originally posted by MarkW


Where is that from Jimbobjoe?

I have emailed www.hondas-direct.co.uk but havent heard from them as yet. Apparently they can save you up to £2k on a UK sourced new car.

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/hondasukmayfair.htm

On-the-road price of 23,365

Originally posted by ed hall
As much as I like the S2000, its starting to look its age. It must be almost 4 years old by now and I can't help wondering when the replacement is going to be launched. I might be wrong but i wouldn't be surprised if the next model is not launched within the next year or 2


From AutoExpress:

Thursday 19th June 2003
Honda S2200 On Way

Secret testing is underway on a more powerful edition of Honda's S2000. Tentatively named the S2200 and set to be unveiled at January's Detroit Motor Show, the newcomer has a 2.2-litre i-VTEC engine producing 250bhp.

Yeah, i know about the new engine...what i'm talking about is the next model....?

Yup, I test drove a 2002 Suzuka Blue S2000, I went and got my deposit back and bought the S2000 the next day. Just couldn't stand waiting anymore.:) It is a blast to drive and it's a ragtop!

I love the S2000, but I do require 4 seats so it's rather out of the question.

Besides, I can't justify spending that much on a car I can really only use part of the year.

Theres a huge list of 2 seates I'd love to buy.

Elise, S2000, Caterham 7, TVR types.

But the RX8 has something they dont. Rear seats. I dont want 2 cars, I need 4 seats. S2000 is a 2 seater sports car, it should be lighter and quicker than the RX-8, if it isnt Honda have done something seriously wrong.

But It doesnt fit my bill, if it fits yours go get and engoy, I know I would!

Originally posted by RobDickinson
Theres a huge list of 2 seates I'd love to buy.

Elise, S2000, Caterham 7, TVR types.

But the RX8 has something they dont. Rear seats. I dont want 2 cars, I need 4 seats. S2000 is a 2 seater sports car, it should be lighter and quicker than the RX-8, if it isnt Honda have done something seriously wrong.

But It doesnt fit my bill, if it fits yours go get and engoy, I know I would!

My problem is I dont need rear seats. I have always had 4 seats but my wife has a practical four seater too, its just that Ive never really thought about a roadster before. Its only the delays to the RX8 that has made me restless and start looking around.

I really like both the S2k and the RX8, its unfair on the RX8 as I cant drive it yet whereas Ive driven the S2k.

A guy from www.sk2i.com who lives round the corner from me took me out in his for a blast last night and it was fanastic.

I wish there was a way I could get the s2k now for the summer and have the option to trade it again for the RX8 in Oct/Nov but it would just be too expensive.

Not really sure what to do at the moment.

For jimbobjoes benefit, www.hondas-direct.co.uk will do a UK sourced s2k for £24348 (list 25995), or the s2k GT for £25283 (list 26995).

If I needed a 2 seater, I wouldn't be buying an RX8!

Does that sound simple?

3rd car maybe an S2000 or Z4 but once my kids finish their schooling!!

Cheers
OILMAN

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't need the two rear seats but nevertheless the RX-8 is the best new car for under £30K in my opinion. As you know I still have a 350Z ordered but it fails to excite me compared to the Mazda.I fully believe that the RX-8 is a better and more interesting car then either the S2000 or the Z4.

Lensman,

I beleive you may well be right. My problem is I am an impatient s0d and I want my car now!

I do like the 350Z, but specced up it is £4k more than the 8, the Z4 (not that keen) is over £30k and the wait on both in next year anyway.

Its my own fault for driving the Honda, I dont think I'll test drive anything else.

I see my choices are:

1) Wait until Oct/Nov for the RX8 (as long as there are no more delays). Hopefully I will like it and all will be well.
Negatives are that it may dissappoint me and I will wish I got the S2k for the summer. I would then end up keeping my current car and by an S2k in the spring.

2) Get an S2k now which I know I will be happy with as Ive driven it.
Negatives are it wont be great in the winter/wet weather, and when the RX8 comes out and you lot all have yours I may well live to regret it.

I 'spose I shouldnt complain about having to make a decision like that.

Mark

As far as I can see, you have nothing at stake.

If Mazda are going to give our 1k back due to sheer embarrassment then buy an S2000.

Wait until the 8 arrives, test drive and decide. Trade the S2000 for the 8 by all means but don't get out of the queue.

I was thinking of the same for summer motoring but with an A4 cabriolet. (boring but wouldn't lose too much over 4/5 months).

Cheers
Oilman

Depends if you were buying from new and from Audi who are quite ruthless in sales and purchase margins.

I had the same thought but decided to hold on, especially as our end date may even slip some more.

rael

It doesnt make it any easier for me when I read reviews like this............

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133794

And a yellow one as well just like I am borrowing tomorrow for the weekend :D

I hope the RX8 gets a few reviews like this over the next month or so.

Having just watched the video on the Multimedia part of the forum showing the race between the various competitors to the 8 I would definately be buying an S2000 if I could:(

Ed

I don't really want a two-seater or a convertable, but even if I did I would not buy an S2000.

I've only had a brief drive of an S2000, but I thought it was cramped, noisy and had a rather cheap looking interior with very little equipment. From what I have read from various tests (most of which are nowhere near as positive as the one linked to above) it has very twitchy on-limit handling (with no DSC) and lousy steering feel. And it's expensive to buy and is group 20 insurance.

It does have great on-paper performance figures but with a very unusual power delivery: there's not much below 6000, then all hell breaks loose. I have a milder version of this in my Prelude VTEC, so I know that it can be great fun. But it can eventually be a bit frustrating: low revs are fine for pottering around, high revs for all out max performance but there's nothing in between. It just doesn't do "moderately fast".

The problem is not that you have to rev the engine to get the performance (which is fine), but that there is this sudden changeover point between these two completely different engine characteristics. It would be a great track car and it's good for showing off (only to one other person at a time of course). But I don't think I'd want to drive it every day.

I'm not trying to criticise anybody's choice here - if this is the car for you then fine. But none of us hold back with our doubts/criticisms of the RX-8, so it's only fair we feel free to criticise the alternatives too.

Chris,


I agree with you on that one. I had a test drive in it back in October last year and yeah great fun. NO interior options or at least what i wanted and it would have cost a fortune to have something retro fitted.

Power is great as you say over 5-6000 revs but below that i it is like driving a civic 1.4 nothing extraordinary. hit that limit and its like the wife at that wrong time of the month. Unpredicatable, doesnt have the response at the steering wheel you would expect. Awesome power hence the 20 insurance group

Originally posted by ChrisW
I don't really want a two-seater or a convertable, but even if I did I would not buy an S2000.

I've only had a brief drive of an S2000, but I thought it was cramped, noisy and had a rather cheap looking interior with very little equipment. From what I have read from various tests (most of which are nowhere near as positive as the one linked to above) it has very twitchy on-limit handling (with no DSC) and lousy steering feel. And it's expensive to buy and is group 20 insurance.

It does have great on-paper performance figures but with a very unusual power delivery: there's not much below 6000, then all hell breaks loose. I have a milder version of this in my Prelude VTEC, so I know that it can be great fun. But it can eventually be a bit frustrating: low revs are fine for pottering around, high revs for all out max performance but there's nothing in between. It just doesn't do "moderately fast".

The problem is not that you have to rev the engine to get the performance (which is fine), but that there is this sudden changeover point between these two completely different engine characteristics. It would be a great track car and it's good for showing off (only to one other person at a time of course). But I don't think I'd want to drive it every day.

I'm not trying to criticise anybody's choice here - if this is the car for you then fine. But none of us hold back with our doubts/criticisms of the RX-8, so it's only fair we feel free to criticise the alternatives too.


By all means critiscise away :) . I totally respect yours and everyone else's opinions as cars are a highly subjective and emotional subject.

I will let people know more of my thoughts on the Honda (if they're interested) after Ive spent this weekend with one.

Personally I like the interior and it has all the equipment I need (Leather/Aircon/Elec Windows/Mirrors/Roof/6 Speed/Starter Button/Xenons/CD/Airbags/Hardtop etc)

Most of the issues to do with handling etc were addressed on the 2002 facelift, and also the switch into VTEC has been smoothed out. Before I drove it, I honestly believed it to be as you described, but I was surprised to find it feels quite quick low down the revs and its definately not all or nothing.

The bhp and torque figures of the S2k and the RX8 are very similar which is one of the reasons I drove it. I was lead to believe that the Rotary (never having driven one) would be similar to the Honda VTEC engine in that you really have to rev it to get the performance, and low down there is not a lot of power available. If Ive got this one wrong please someone correct me.

My biggest issue with this car is how happy I would be with a 240bhp RWD roadster with no DSC in the wet and rain, as there are several stories of them ending up in hedges. The RX8 is a better all rounder, with the S Im going to have to make some sacrifices to gain the benefits.

Still no closer to deciding. My current plan is to wait until the 24th (my roadshow day) and hope there is a production car there to see. That may make up my mind.

Cheers
Mark

Originally posted by MarkW

The bhp and torque figures of the S2k and the RX8 are very similar which is one of the reasons I drove it. I was lead to believe that the Rotary (never having driven one) would be similar to the Honda VTEC engine in that you really have to rev it to get the performance, and low down there is not a lot of power available. If Ive got this one wrong please someone correct me.

The power delivery curve (torque) is a lot smoother on the RX-8 so it should be more useable than the Honda.

Besides what is under the hood I don't think it is actually that attractive as a car, much prefer the 8 shape.

rael

Originally posted by rael
Besides what is under the hood I don't think it is actually that attractive as a car, much prefer the 8 shape.

rael

I didn't like it in images but when I saw a grey one at the MotorDriveLive event it looked very nice. I saw a blue one on the same day and didn't like it so the colour affects my shape perception.

Originally posted by Lensman


I didn't like it in images but when I saw a grey one at the MotorDriveLive event it looked very nice. I saw a blue one on the same day and didn't like it so the colour affects my shape perception.

It s funny how colours do affect a car so much. Whereas I have ordered Velocity red on the 8, I dislike the Red on the S and would not order it.

I much prefer the Silver/Grey on the S to the RX8 as well.

I do actually like the yellow too as it is pearlescent, as is the orange they do.

Im also keen on the full red interior as below (but then again I have ordered the tacky Red/Black for the 8 :) )

Forgot the pic....

Originally posted by MarkW
Forgot the pic....

At least on the RHD version they can be arsed to put the handbrake on the right side unlike Mazda!

The Honda is too dated to even consider.

Amazing how much smaller it looked on the track (just watched the Nissan/RX8/MX5/S2000/Scooby track race from the main forum.

It's clearly quicker on a track, but I really dont think it can be compared to the RX-8. Ok, they both rev high, but that is about it. I consider the RX8 to be a competitor to TT (just in terms of seating), 3 series coupe (Common, but competent), Evo (plasticy and dull to look at, Impreza (ditto), R32 (coming round to this one, but it still looks like a golf!)

Originally posted by ed hall
The Honda is too dated to even consider.

Amazing how much smaller it looked on the track (just watched the Nissan/RX8/MX5/S2000/Scooby track race from the main forum.

Ive watched the video too, and it did appear that all the cars (apart from the MX5) over took the RX8 on the straights with ease. Im surprised at that as if you look at the performance on paper they are all similar.

Maybe that car had the stuck port problem, because if it didnt and you then take another 20bhp off it to make it a Euro car, it would have been even further behind.

Amusingly Honda have just sent me an S2000 brochure from my visit at Motordrive (even though I didnt drive one!)

ooh look, I've become a senior member (I've been called worse!). I must get out more!

Well done Edo. still a few for me to go. Are u going on the 14th too? I'm 5-6pm so all of you going to Henley @ 7-8 or later, you may be held up a little ... by me if theres more than 1 car and its euro spec and not that blue thing at motorexpo / drive

No, cant be arsed as it is the same pre-prod blue car I saw at Motor-drive...

Originally posted by MarkW


Ive watched the video too, and it did appear that all the cars (apart from the MX5) over took the RX8 on the straights with ease. Im surprised at that as if you look at the performance on paper they are all similar.

Maybe that car had the stuck port problem, because if it didnt and you then take another 20bhp off it to make it a Euro car, it would have been even further behind.

Yep, just watched that having missed it for days. Ouch (kinda)! Obviously this isn't as good as hoped for and I'm surprised that the RX-8 didn't do better but on the plus side it was just about holding its own with the pack including the Scooby which is good news. However, factor in our power reduction and uh-oh! In a way it's not relevant to me because I'll appreciate the comfort and ease of driving more than the occasional usage of the power but what I don't want is the RX-8 to get a 'sheep in wolf's clothing' reputation.

Well ive just handed the keys back to the garage after having the S2000 for the weekend. Weve put 150+ miles on it on all types of road and it was fantastic!

What a car, its so easy driving round town (much more so than my STi) it also feels quick under normal driving. I would go as far as to say that torque is not a problem at all. The power builds gradually up the rev range, and when you get to 7-8000rpm its pulling like a train with a fantastic noise especially with the roof down.

All I can say is as the RX8 has similar torque/bhp, I hope it is similar to this. If it was I would be well happy.

Plus points to the S2k is the performance, noise, ease of driving, electric hood (faster than Z4 - someone should tell BMW), fantastic gear change, controls all well sited. It just felt 'right' to me.

I managed to go out early this morning for a real blast and 1st/2nd/3rd in VTEC and youre doing well over a ton (on a private road of course officer), also managed to get tail out a little around a few deserted islands (as long as no-one from Honda is reading), until the burning rubber smell stopped me :D.

Downsides are the seats are a bit slippy in leather, you feel like they should be a little lower as well, and the steering is a bit light.

I did a spreadsheet yesterday (a bit sad I know) comparing the RX8 to the S2k and scored them on different things. The bottom line is they came out neck and neck, with the RX8 winning on things like practicality, looks, safety, audio, running costs, but the S2k better for performance, fun factor etc. The actual spec of both cars is actually very close.

My wife loves the S2k and wants me to get one now, and so does my mate who came with me.

However, as much as I like it Ive decided to wait for my viewing later this month to have a look at the RX8 again (hopefully a production) model and decide if it is worth the wait to October or not.

Ive waited this long, and I dont just want to give up on the RX8 so easiliy. Once I see it, and hopefully read the press launch articles my interest will be rejuventated.

One thing that is certain is that my choice will be one of these two cars. If for any reason I bail out from the Mazda, it will be an S2k. I may even have both over a period of time, as I am a serial car changer anyway.

In August Motorpoint have a number of new S2ks with metallic and 3yr warranty coming in at £21995 (list £26300), so its tempting.....

However, Im still in for the rest of the month at least............

Mark


Here's the weekend ride

I agree with you Mark on every point there. I really want to want the RX8, but the S2000 is at least more tangible at the moment.

£22k for a brand new one. Wow. I might have to give motorpoint a call and see how many S2000s they're going to get. That is an excellent price.

Jimbobjoe,

If you go to www.motorpoint.co.uk and register as a member, in the members area you can see what cars they have coming in by searching for make and model.

They have about 15 S2000s due in mid August. I either fancy the Silverstone with Red Leather or the Nuburgring Blue with Blue leather so hands off!! :)

I spoke to them last week and they are imports from Malta. However you get 3yr Honda warranty and they are exact UK spec including alarm.

If you want a hardtop, this would be £1800 from a dealer though. Ouch!

Cheers
Mark

For me it would either be a silverstone with red leather, or the monza red with black leather.

Originally posted by MarkW
Jimbobjoe,

If you go to www.motorpoint.co.uk and register as a member, in the members area you can see what cars they have coming in by searching for make and model.

They have about 15 S2000s due in mid August. I either fancy the Silverstone with Red Leather or the Nuburgring Blue with Blue leather so hands off!! :)

I spoke to them last week and they are imports from Malta. However you get 3yr Honda warranty and they are exact UK spec including alarm.

If you want a hardtop, this would be £1800 from a dealer though. Ouch!

Cheers
Mark

Thanks Mark, reading this thread has got me thinking too, especially on the part where the RX8 comes second from last on the track (I haven't looked at it as I'm on modem at home) as I thought the RX8 supposed to be a pretty quick car with very good handling. I, like you will reserve judgement until I actually see and sit in the car this time at Gaydon and hopefully they will start it up. I was hoping that the RX8 was going to be as quick if not quicker than my R32 especially with the lack of torque it has got in comparison.
The thanks is for the info that Motorpoint are going to get the S2000's in at £21,999 in August, that does seem a very good deal. Although I took one out last year after the Motorshow I wasn't that impressed but it was a fairly short drive and the sales guy sitting next to me was a total tit or lets just say that he shouldn't really be selling cars.

Where did you go to take your test drive as I'd rather travel 20-30 miles out my way than go back to Stratford Honda dealer.

Cheers Martin

I'd test drive a used one, if possible. I test drove a new one and the salesman stopped me when I hit 5,000 RPM on the tachometer. However, I tested a used Integra Type R and drove it to its 8,500 or so redline numerous times...and these cars are totally different beasts below the VTEC engagement point (6,000 RPM I think for the S2K). Personally, I think the S2000 is the best high-reving, lightweight sports car available and is a close second choice to the EVO for me. However, living in Europe, you guys have alot of other really nice options.

I've test drove a s2k few weeks back, I got to go out with it bymyslef for about 45 mins, was a great blast to drive. I found a nice road to drop the clutch at 8k rpm.........yup rubber was burning!! Really loved the way the s2k drove and looks great too...but hoping the rx8 will perform like it with the extra seats and since its a rotary it wont mind me driving it to 8k everyday.

Originally posted by MarkW

In August Motorpoint have a number of new S2ks with metallic and 3yr warranty coming in at £21995 (list £26300), so its tempting.....

At the moment they have one silverstone with red leather + red dashboard in stock. It doesn't have an alarm though. (The other stock they've had did, which is why this is the last one left)

The bloke I spoke to wasn't sure when exactly any others would be coming in though, possibly september. The Monza Red wouldn't be in until late Sept or early Oct.

Originally posted by jimbobjoe


At the moment they have one silverstone with red leather + red dashboard in stock. It doesn't have an alarm though. (The other stock they've had did, which is why this is the last one left)

The bloke I spoke to wasn't sure when exactly any others would be coming in though, possibly september. The Monza Red wouldn't be in until late Sept or early Oct.


Thats funny, they told me the one left was Silver with Black interior.

Definately told me the blue would be mid-August as well.

One of the reasons I considered the S2000 was to have one now for the summer. If I have to wait, I may as well wait for the RX8.

If for any reason the RX8 fails to live up to my expectations, I would leave it until next spring before getting an S.

I dont want to change the recent positive mood, and Im still keen on the RX-8 :), but JSG from Japan has recently replied to a thread I posted on the S2000 forum.

It just makes my choice more difficult.

He previously had an S2000, and went to the RX8 and these were his comments:

As a current owner of an RX8, and previously an S, I'd say the decision is pretty simple. If you need the rear seat, like me, then get the 8 - otherwise the S. 4 doors and a roof doesn't compete with a drop top roadster. Esp. considering the UK version is down on power - 231 vs 250 JDM.

I am indeed JSG on the rx8forum! If you do some searching you should find some of my original posts from around early-mid May comparing the S to the 8 when the 8 was new and the S was still fresh in my memory. Don't get me wrong (plenty of people do) - the 8 is a great car. But it's compromised. Not as much as a normal saloon car but still compromised. What I need at the moment is one car that'll fit my baby, wife & I. In an ideal world I would have kept the S and got a Micra for the wife, but I can't justify the cost of 2 parking spaces (esp for a Micra!). So for me the 8 works. But if you already have a sensible car I recommend you drop the waiting, buy an S and don't look back. The S is more "hard core" and is a convertible - unless you are a rotary geek what more do you need to consider?!

The main differences are that the S is more direct in steering, seating, pedal movement and you have to drive it with utmost care. The 8 you throw around like a bus (in comparison) and launch it into situations safe in the knowledge DSC will save you. The 8 is definitely the car to have in the wet (spun my 99 S twice). Other than those points handling and performance is similar - the styling in a lot of sections is almost identical! The rotary even has a good roar like VTEC (if a bit muffled). The biggest shock between the two is the linear delivery of the rotary - the power is totally constant from 3.5k-9k whereas in the S you get addicted to the thrust when you move out of "town mode" and over 6k. I'd love to see a video of a head-to-head drag race between the 2 as the delivery is so different the lead should keep changing. If you do end up getting an 8 buy it in blue, which also applies for the S actually!

Yeah , the 8 is a compromise, how can it not be with 4 seats?They must add some weight.

But IMO so is the S2000. If you want no compromise go buy a Caterham.

Personaly I dont think you can compare 2 seat convertable sports car and a 4 seater tin top - and if I could get away with just the 2 seats I definatly would.

Anything from MX-5's(which I think I'd have to turbo :)) s2000's etc but probably a lotus Elise.

MarkW.

As our mouthpiece how dare you consider an S2000
:eek:

Besides if your EP is lower than 365, go ahead;)

Cheers
Oilman

Stop doing this to me !!!!!!!!

I had finally come back around to the idea that the 8 was the car to go for. Definitely. No question.

And you had to post this.:eek:

Well, I get to see the 8 on Monday, so showdown time maybe.......

No worries jimbobjoe, you'll love it to death!!

Cheers
Oilman

Originally posted by jimbobjoe
Stop doing this to me !!!!!!!!

I had finally come back around to the idea that the 8 was the car to go for. Definitely. No question.

And you had to post this.:eek:

Well, I get to see the 8 on Monday, so showdown time maybe.......

lol @ jimbobjoe :D

Whatever car I look at I keep getting drawn back to the 8 too. Im going to wait for the RX-8 and drive it before I decide.

Im hoping it is as good as we all want it to be, if so it will be mine :) . However, with the S2000 I now have a backup plan if the 8 lets me down.

I prefer the versatility of 4 seats even though I dont need them, however the general consensus seems to be if you can live with 2 seats go for the S as its more fun.

It's interesting to hears JSGs comments as he must be one of the few people in the world who has owned both cars, and if he wasnt compraomising he'd take the S.

Originally posted by MarkW

I prefer the versatility of 4 seats even though I dont need them, however the general consensus seems to be if you can live with 2 seats go for the S as its more fun.

It's interesting to hears JSGs comments as he must be one of the few people in the world who has owned both cars, and if he wasnt compromising he'd take the S.
But aren't we always compromising? I don't just want the compromise of 4 seats but also the compromise of a car thats refined when cruising down the motorway, not too uncomfortable on lousy British road surfaces, has a good sound system and a classy looking interior. If the RX-8 can deliver all those things and still deliver 80-90% of the fun factor of something like an S2000 then I'd find that a very easy choice to make.

You've hit the nail on the head ChrisW but you forgot one thing.

There are very few cars on the road that look as good as well!

Roll on November?

Cheers
Oilman

Originally posted by ChrisW

But aren't we always compromising? I don't just want the compromise of 4 seats but also the compromise of a car thats refined when cruising down the motorway, not too uncomfortable on lousy British road surfaces, has a good sound system and a classy looking interior. If the RX-8 can deliver all those things and still deliver 80-90% of the fun factor of something like an S2000 then I'd find that a very easy choice to make.

Ive spent the last two years driving Subaru's which are unrefined on the motorway, my teeth fall out if I drive over a crisp packet, have crap stereos, and not very good interiors either, so most cars for me would be an improvement on this :)

That is the compromise I have made, to get the benefit of the awesome performance and handling I when I want to give it some.

This time I want something that is less hard core than the Subaru, but still brings a smile to my face when I want to have some fun. I know the S will do that as I have driven it, Im just hoping the RX8 will do the same.

Im the first to admit the RX8 has the S on looks and practicality though.

Mark,

I think the S is for you because it will be more hard core (lets be honest), you don't need 4 seats, its also has great shape, has good Honda build quality and is available now. Go get.

rael

Mark,

It looks to me like you are already sold on the S. It is that "what if" syndrome we all suffer from time to time that is causing you to hang on.

You may as well wait until you test drive the 8 and at least then you can make an informed decision.

Rael,

I can't accuse you of trying to bump Mark out of the queue as your EP is lower than his but.................

GO ON MARK, BUY IT!!

and the rest of you below EP365 for that matter;)

Except Morg as he's my buddy! I'll need a mate when it arrives.

Cheers
Oilman

Uhmmm ....

Let me see .... a Honda s2000 ... clearly faster round a track and available now ....

OR: The really unusual, never seen before in the UK, almost as good, with a much curvier body and cool rear doors, capable of housing my daughter in the back, rotary engined, 1.3 litre (HEHE)

NO CONTEST ... The Honda s2000 looks DULL and is impractical

And ... I hate the thought of driving a VTEC

Originally posted by oilman
Rael,

I can't accuse you of trying to bump Mark out of the queue as your EP is lower than his but.................

GO ON MARK, BUY IT!!

and the rest of you below EP365 for that matter;)

Except Morg as he's my buddy! I'll need a mate when it arrives.

Cheers
Oilman

Sorry to dissappoint you all, but as I said earlier Im hanging around to drive the RX8 before making any decisions, so you'll just have to wait your turn in the queue :D


I hate the thought of driving a VTEC

Dont understand this comment, this is one of the greatest production engines. If you dont like high revving engines why buy an RX8, go buy a diesel instead :confused:

Originally posted by MarkW
Sorry to dissappoint you all, but as I said earlier Im hanging around to drive the RX8 before making any decisions, so you'll just have to wait your turn in the queue :D

In case you missed it (yeah right!) here are 3Rotors first comments:

1. Wow!!!
2. Yes indeed, it is even more stunning in person than any photograph!!!
3. I am a rock star - everywhere I have gone today I am a celebrity!!!
4. Smooth, smooth, smooth!!!
5. Mazda has nailed it!!!
They kept saying "You won't be disappointed," and I definitely am not.

Still want a Honda? ;)

Still want a Honda?

Ive always wanted a Mazda :), thats why they have my £1000 :) The Honda is great and is my backup plan I hope I dont have to use.

I read those comments, very good! Also the Australian review with the 350Z, and the Monaro.

Just watched the German vid in the multimedia section as well - very nice footage of a red one. Car sounded very good as well :D

Looking forward to Clarksons comments......

So I'm not alone with my shiney red one then!

Welcome back to the land of people with great taste MarkW.;)

Cheers
Oilman

.... Great taste , but in red - obviously ! ;)

M.

OK guys, you have to help me a bit out here......

I mean, when comparing the S2K to the RX8, the RX8 is cheaper, much newer, with the awesome Renesis, and can seat 4 relatively easy.......

S2K is a strictly 2-seater, has also an awesome engine (was the best engine under 2,5lt, now its the Renesis ;) ), and only used can its price be compared with that of the new RX8.....

Granted, I havent driven the RX8 (not here yet, nor in Greece, where I'm from), but is it so bad that you would rather ditch it for a S2K ?

Could anyone shed some light into this issue for me ?

welcome to the forums "The Ace"

The heart of the discussion of the S2K over the RX-8 is the driver appeal.

Yes, the RX-8 is cheaper, more practical, higher specification etc, but the word is that for uncompromised driver 'fun' the S2K wins. It's a true sports car (and convertible too!).

So for blasting round country roads the S2K is a clear winner (or so I'm told).

As for price, a new S2K can be had in England for £22,300. (£4K less than list price!). Depreciation on the S2K is also a known factor, and is very low. With the RX-8 we can only guess.

The discussion is therefore centred on whether the driver appeal of the S2K outweighs the practicality, and cool newness of the RX-8.

I'm still sat in the middle on this one :confused:

Alllllllrighty then.......:D

I know for a fact that S2K is razor-sharp when it comes to handling, steering and cornering, but it can also be unforgiving (due exactly to this sharpness) ;)

A new S2K for 22,3K quids ? :eek: Damn.....the rest of Europe cannot hope for anything below 55K EUR -> 34K pounds. I know this for a fact for Greece at least......

As for the RX8, its still not here, and in Greece there's going to be just one model (the Cosmo, with 240HP and full extras) for 40K EUR.

However, I'm currently not thinking for either one of these.......since I sold my TII, I'm aiming towards a nice '95 FD ;)

Funny how it comes down to these two cars. I just took delivery of the S2000. If you want the perks go with the RX-8 but if you want the thrills go with the s2000. I, obviously, went for the thrills. It's everything everyone says it is! I'm sure either way will lead you to a nice piece of equipment. I only wish that i could've gotten a nav system for the s2000. I don't need the back seat. Those two attributes will define what you pick other than that everything else doesn't matter. I still respect the RX-8 and the drivers of those cars. I'll even wave when I go by! Or visa-versa!

I didnt expect to see this thread back at the top again :eek: :eek:

I hope it's not an omen with my test drive coming up this weekend, in case I am disappointed.

It seems like a devil pops up in my head every now and then and shouts "S2000" when Im feeling worried about the RX8 :)

Mark, wasn't the one you were looking at, ahem, yellow?

:D

Only yellow because the garage were selling it and I got it for a 24 hour test drive. Wouldnt buy it though.

I fancy Silverstone or Berlina Black with Red interior, or Monte Carlo Blue , mabve Nurburgring Blue as well with blue seats. No must stop it... I dont want an S2k, I want an RX8..... ;)

May I add that a black S2K with the -sparkling- red leather interior is AWESOME ?!?!?! :cool:

The s2000 is a nice car however it has one snappy chassy that is unforgiving it has caused many an s2000 driver to loose c.ontrol and smash his car.

So before you drive this car hard you better be a advanced driver otherwise you will find youre self around wraped around a pole as 2 of my friends have .

THe s2000 is nowhere as forgiving as the rx8 .

Originally posted by Lock & Load
The s2000 is a nice car however it has one snappy chassy that is unforgiving it has caused many an s2000 driver to loose c.ontrol and smash his car.

So before you drive this car hard you better be a advanced driver otherwise you will find youre self around wraped around a pole as 2 of my friends have .

THe s2000 is nowhere as forgiving as the rx8 .

Yeah, but also the S2K is a "true" sports car (although RX8 can be considered a "sportscar" in the wider sense of the term), a lot faster than the HIGH-Pow RX8, and it hasnt made any compromises (space, weight or comfort-wise) ;)

Originally posted by The Ace
May I add that a black S2K with the -sparkling- red leather interior is AWESOME ?!?!?! :cool:

You mean like this Ace?........ :D :D

We're talking about two very different cars here!!!

A really unusual, sexy, technically wierd, four-seater, unique (you won't see many on the road for a while), great sounding, and almost as much fun to drive RX-8 OR

The even better, but slightly boring looking, much more impractical, and technically your standard Honda stuff S2000.

I admit it's better ... faster ... better track performance but....

For me it's just not different enough

Originally posted by mr_digital_uk
We're talking about two very different cars here!!!

A really unusual, sexy, technically wierd, four-seater, unique (you won't see many on the road for a while), great sounding, and almost as much fun to drive RX-8 OR

The even better, but slightly boring looking, much more impractical, and technically your standard Honda stuff S2000.

I admit it's better ... faster ... better track performance but....

For me it's just not different enough

The S2000/RX-8 debate has been done to death over the previous few pages, I was just really posting a pic for The Ace as he likes the black/red so much :D

However there's no way you can describe a naturally aspirated 2 litre engine pushing out 240bhp with a 9000rpm red line as technically standard. This engine has the highest output per litre of any production car in the world, and is truly something special.

I may have to agree on the looks and practicality though :)

Originally posted by MarkW


You mean like this Ace?........ :D :D

Exactly !!!!! ;)

As for practicallity/looks, I will -partially- disagree with you. I mean, you dont EVER expect a 2-seater/2-door cabrio to be practical now, would you ?
And Looks ? Well, its no Miura, but the S2k has the "aggresive-yet-elegant" look down GOOD !! :D

And I will also disagree with the fact that the F20 makes the most HP/lt. I dont fully agree that a 1.3lt rotary should be compared to a 2.6lt piston engine, therefor I think that the rotary engine makes the most HP/lt (240HP/1.3lt). However, the F20 is indeed a wonderful piece of machinery, up there with the M3/M5 engines, the V12 of San'Agata, and the beasts of Ferrari :cool: