http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=onleeemee2004

Thought it might be a good read. If it's over the line, I apologize.

So did the freak get arrested or what?

So did the freak get arrested or what?
I don't think so, he technically didn't do anything though there was intent. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a crime or not, maybe police34 or one of the lawyers can chime in. Gross any way you look at it though.

I bet he gets beat up at school...someone should email that to all the students at his school...

I think legally they can get you for intent!

Sort of along the same lines I found out a little while ago that this guy that I worked with when I first came in the Air Force was convicted for sexual abuse. Another friend who was also assigned with him at the same time shot me an e-mail with this. Honestly we basically were like "holy s**t!", that is him!

http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/stuartnevison.html

So did the freak get arrested or what?
That's a second degree felony in Texas, 2 to 20 year sentence. You don't have to make physical contact.

§ 43.25. SEXUAL PERFORMANCE BY A CHILD. (a) In this
section:
(1) "Sexual performance" means any performance or part
thereof that includes sexual conduct by a child younger than 18
years of age.
(2) "Sexual conduct" means sexual contact, actual or
simulated sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse, sexual
bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or lewd
exhibition of the genitals, the anus, or any portion of the female
breast below the top of the areola.
(3) "Performance" means any play, motion picture,
photograph, dance, or other visual representation that can be
exhibited before an audience of one or more persons.
(4) "Produce" with respect to a sexual performance
includes any conduct that directly contributes to the creation or
manufacture of the sexual performance.
(5) "Promote" means to procure, manufacture, issue,
sell, give, provide, lend, mail, deliver, transfer, transmit,
publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, present, exhibit, or
advertise or to offer or agree to do any of the above.
(6) "Simulated" means the explicit depiction of sexual
conduct that creates the appearance of actual sexual conduct and
during which a person engaging in the conduct exhibits any
uncovered portion of the breasts, genitals, or buttocks.
(7) "Deviate sexual intercourse" and "sexual contact"
have the meanings assigned by Section 43.01.
(b) A person commits an offense if, knowing the character
and content thereof, he employs, authorizes, or induces a child
younger than 18 years of age to engage in sexual conduct or a sexual
performance. A parent or legal guardian or custodian of a child
younger than 18 years of age commits an offense if he consents to
the participation by the child in a sexual performance.
(c) An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the
second degree.

§ 12.33. SECOND DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) An
individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree shall be
punished by imprisonment in the institutional division for any term
of not more than 20 years or less than 2 years.
(b) In addition to imprisonment, an individual adjudged
guilty of a felony of the second degree may be punished by a fine not
to exceed $10,000.

This is a very touchy case to make a felony out of. I undertand the intent part but it will be hard to prove that's what he wanted to do. I know he said it on the web page but he also has second thoughts about it. He asked 3 times if she was a cop. I think that is where it is going to be hard to convince. It will not be easy to say he actually wanted to commit the act with her since he ''had second'' thoughts. The whole thing about ''he had all night to think about it'' That isn't clean cut. You can't prove what he was thinking. *posted by Speed-Er-Doc*-''A parent or legal guardian or custodian of a child younger than 18 years of age commits an offense if he consents to the participation by the child in a sexual performance''.This would not apply to him. You can prove what he said. But when he asked her about her being a cop, that is what might rule out intent. Remember in order to convict you need Proof beyond a Reasonable doubt. There might be a lot of mixed emotions about this but I am stating what I think from what I know.

I didn't read the whole thing but wasn't she deliberately provoking him? I would say that's entrapment...

This is a very touchy case to make a felony out of. I undertand the intent part but it will be hard to prove that's what he wanted to do. I know he said it on the web page but he also has second thoughts about it. He asked 3 times if she was a cop. I think that is where it is going to be hard to convince. It will not be easy to say he actually wanted to commit the act with her since he ''had second'' thoughts. The whole thing about ''he had all night to think about it'' That isn't clean cut. You can't prove what he was thinking.He tried to entice "her" into a sexual act. He made plans to have sex with her, and went to meet her. That is a felony, clear cut. People get convicted of that all the time, or at worst, cop out to a plea bargain. This is a slam dunk case.


''A parent or legal guardian or custodian of a child younger than 18 years of age commits an offense if he consents to the participation by the child in a sexual performance''. This would not apply to him. Agreed. That part isn't the part of the statute he violated. The enticement part is.

From a legal standpoint...he is F*&*^.

The killer is that he knows she is underaged. Bet they got his computer. Wonder what they will find on THAT!!!!

Doc, cheack out my lates blog post. It is better then the broccli post. I will never beat it.

He tried to entice "her" into a sexual act. He made plans to have sex with her, and went to meet her. That is a felony, clear cut. People get convicted of that all the time, or at worst, cop out to a plea bargain. This is a slam dunk case.


Agreed. That part isn't the part of the statute he violated. The enticement part is.
I undertsand what you are saying. You just have to prove it. Who's to say he didn't change his mind on the way there. We just don't know. You and I both know what he wanted to do but we need Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, which we can't prove. However, he could be found guilty on this charge....S 100.05 Criminal solicitation in the fourth degree. A person is guilty of criminal solicitation in the fourth degree when:
1. with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a
felony, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise
attempts to cause such other person to engage in such conduct; or
2. being over eighteen years of age, with intent that another person
under sixteen years of age engage in conduct that would constitute a
crime, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise attempts
to cause such other person to engage in such conduct.
Criminal solicitation in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 100.08 Criminal solicitation in the third degree. A person is guilty of criminal solicitation in the third degree when,
being over eighteen years of age, with intent that another person under
sixteen years of age engage in conduct that would constitute a felony,
he solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise attempts to
cause such other person to engage in such conduct.
Criminal solicitation in the third degree is a class E felony.

The computer dialogue is evidence of his intent. The fact that he went there is evidence of his intent. These cases are prosecuted routinely with amazing success with no more evidence than the computer records. There are task forces to catch these guys, and that is how he was caught. The sexual criminal lists in every state are full of cases just like this. As soon as he shows up at the arranged meeting place, he is a goner.

It's a no-brainer. There really isn't even any controversy about it.

The computer dialogue is evidence of his intent. The fact that he went there is evidence of his intent. These cases are prosecuted routinely with amazing success with no more evidence than the computer records. There are task forces to catch these guys, and that is how he was caught. The sexual criminal lists in every state are full of cases just like this. As soon as he shows up at the arranged meeting place, he is a goner.

It's a no-brainer. There really isn't even any controversy about it.

I agree. And even if someone wants to think about it as "entrapment", his intent makes him guilty. Period.

The computer dialogue is evidence of his intent. The fact that he went there is evidence of his intent. These cases are prosecuted routinely with amazing success with no more evidence than the computer records. There are task forces to catch these guys, and that is how he was caught. The sexual criminal lists in every state are full of cases just like this. As soon as he shows up at the arranged meeting place, he is a goner.

It's a no-brainer. There really isn't even any controversy about it.
Agreed. But you have to understand ''intent''. He could be charged with solicitation of a minor. Possibly intent. But he wont be charged with a sex crime, which would be a felony case. Depends on what lawyer he gets. What happened at the scene. There are just too many laws that have to prove he did not change his mind on th way. I am just saying you have to prove without doubt he would have gone through with it.

I agree. And even if someone wants to think about it as "entrapment", his intent makes him guilty. Period.
If entrapment doe come up, which it wont, everything is dropped so intent wont exist

I don't know but I think it's going to be hard to prove entrapment when they gave him openings to stop persuing the situation! While he asked if they were cops he also asked a couple of times "your 14 right?". I don't know about any of you but as soon as I find out a female is a minor and there is no valid reason for me to be in contact with them, I leave them alone! He did not! He went on to ask about her sexual experience and even went so far as to ask does she have any nude pictures that she could send him. I understand where you are coming from Police34 and that's why you are one of the good law enforcement types! At the same time with the little bit of law enforcement training that I have as well as several family members involved in law you know as well as I do he can be charged with several things so there are other things that can stick. I do recall him telling her to skip school. It seems to me that if entrapment is an issue various police departments around the U.S. would not be able to bust guys for soliciting prostitutes (not relevant to this situation except when talking about entrapment).

Damn look what I've started....

I don't think they pressed charges guys, but it would be cool to see this guy get harassed...

let's call or im to tell him "THE RX7CLUB KNOWS ABOUT YOU" :p

nowadays kids start with sex at a very young age, if he was 17 instead of 21 will there be so much controversy?

I recently read an article about a 14 yr old boy and a 12, yes twelve, yr old girl that were arrested for setting up an oral sex for hire service at their school

I don't know but I think it's going to be hard to prove entrapment when they gave him openings to stop persuing the situation! While he asked if they were cops he also asked a couple of times "your 14 right?". I don't know about any of you but as soon as I find out a female is a minor and there is no valid reason for me to be in contact with them, I leave them alone! He did not! He went on to ask about her sexual experience and even went so far as to ask does she have any nude pictures that she could send him. I understand where you are coming from Police34 and that's why you are one of the good law enforcement types! At the same time with the little bit of law enforcement training that I have as well as several family members involved in law you know as well as I do he can be charged with several things so there are other things that can stick. I do recall him telling her to skip school. It seems to me that if entrapment is an issue various police departments around the U.S. would not be able to bust guys for soliciting prostitutes (not relevant to this situation except when talking about entrapment).
Agreed. There are plenty of charges he can be tried for. I just don't say a fact without knowing all of them. I stated what the possibilities were. I believe the 1st thing a defense attorney would say is ''prove that is what my client wanted to do''. Yes, a lawyer could bring up the web sheet but nobody can prove what he was thinking on the way there. If I was there I would have arrested him for solicitation a minor. I could not charge him with intent to commit a crime because there was no girl. So I don't think intent would apply because he never had a reasonable way to commit a sex crime. I know what his intentions were but I would cover my a$$ before charging him with something I was not sure about. NY laws could be diff. and he could be charged with all kinds of stuff he wouldn't in FL. If there was a girl present that admitted to being V1 while he was there then thi would be diff. The story says it happened differently. I don't think entrapment will happen here. She never said ''I want to have sex with you''. But who knows

Here are some of the convictions from that website:

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=full

I think police34 is right in that it is probably difficult to get a felony conviction in many states, but it sure seems like an area where more teeth would be a good thing.

Here are some of the convictions from that website:

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=full

I think police34 is right in that it is probably difficult to get a felony conviction in many states, but it sure seems like an area where more teeth would be a good thing.
Exactly.

Theres no way he would get a felony conviction. Even the dumbest lawyer in the state could fend that off in this situation

What a fucken sick bitch!

What a fucken sick bitch!

word. sick bastards!!!!! what was that one word DMP taught me?? dammit, i forgot...


that stupid fuck-stick....lol

im 19 and im going out with a 17 year old... and thats the youngest id go even i think that is young she turns 18 next week and me i turn 20 in sept ... but still that dude is effed up