Hi gang,

YOu guys surprised to see me back? Don't be. I bought my 2003 Evo VIII last week and have already put almost 800 miles on it with 1 long trip and a normal week of daily driving. Sure, the car is trick and fast and all the things that look good on paper, but there are 2 things that the car is missing that I just can't stand:

1) No Style
You all said it before, so go ahead and say "I told you so". The Evo is nice, but it looks like any old JDM econo-box, even if it does have Ferrari 360 performance levels.

2) No Cruise Control
Who thought this was a good idea?! One long 8 hour round trip in that car was enough for me. What idiots don't put cruise control on a car. I didn't find out about it until after I already bought it.

So, EVO is for sale at Dealer Invoice if any of you others are interested in owning one. Great car. The kids love it. But if you need cruise control and a dose more style, then I would opt for something else...

So, anyone get an RX-8 in the US yet? :)

they should be here next week!!!
hell you shold have waited a little longer a few more thousand miles and you wil have to buy brakes and tires! brakes are $300. and tires are $350. each(factory). i work at a mits dealer and no they are not covered by warranty! that was ne major problem with evo that i have seen and heard. i personally didnt like the ook. it looks like any 4 door with a big wing on it. no persality.
so are you going to get a rx-8 now or shop around a little more or??

i've never liked the evo, i've always been a big scooby fan though, but i have one question, is that car lineup in your sig for real, if so why would you buy an evo?

Originally posted by The Beav
i've never liked the evo, i've always been a big scooby fan though, but i have one question, is that car lineup in your sig for real, if so why would you buy an evo?

8 cars in the last 2 years and 20 cars in the last 8 years... so sig is for real. Check out:

2002 BMW M3 Convertible (http://www.g3.com/m3)
and
2002 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo (http://www.g3.com/turbo)
can't forget
1996 Porsche C4S (http://www.g3.com/c4s)

Ok, now back to why I would buy an EVO. First off, it looks good on paper. 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, 60-0 in 106 ft. And faster throught he slalom course than the Ferrari 360 and on par with it for the 0-60 and 60-0. This car is FAST!!!! The EVO is clearly faster than my 2000 Acura NSX and seems even faster than my 2002 BMW M3. It even seems to handle better under 80 mph than the 911 Turbo. It is a wicked fast car and setup really nice. If performance is your only criteria, then the EVO has that in bucket-fulls. With the EVO now past the break in range, it is even faster and getting faster all the time.

Too bad it is too damn ugly for its own good... and it should be a crime to leave off cruise control. The "20 somethings" over on the EVO list don't have much sympathy for those of us pushing 40 that want to buy and EVO. Some of them didn't even realize the car didn't have cruise control. :) Oh well, to be 20 and stupid again...

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/POTM/gmiller.jpg

So you back into getting an 8 G-man? :D

Originally posted by ibfubar2000
they should be here next week!!!
hell you shold have waited a little longer a few more thousand miles and you wil have to buy brakes and tires! brakes are $300. and tires are $350. each(factory). i work at a mits dealer and no they are not covered by warranty! that was ne major problem with evo that i have seen and heard. i personally didnt like the ook. it looks like any 4 door with a big wing on it. no persality.
so are you going to get a rx-8 now or shop around a little more or??
mitsu sucks i have a 2001 eclipse gt bought brane new it only has 30,000 miles and i have had over 50 probs with it. Sunroof, tranny , rust , rattling and manny more things. I used to love mitsus but after this car they lost a future buyer.

I agree the new ones are pieces of shit, don't know why Tyrese is driving a purple one in the movie... I would have rather seen a pinto... back to my point, the 1G's and 2G's were remarkable cars. Boost controller and an intercooler, you were dipping into the low 13's, high 12's with the GSX's(TSi's for Talons).

G-MAN Having owned all of the above cars for such short periods ,and finding that none of them got your rocks off what makes you feel that the rx8 will please your tastes ,you seem to be a hard man to please, maybe taking flyng lessons will solve your need for speed.

G-man, those are awesome pictures and a kickass collection of cars that you listed.

But I, like most reasonable citizens, am left wondering: WTF?? :)

Care to share your background, and how it is that you chew through so many cars? Are you running your own one-man dealership?

Originally posted by G-man
2) No Cruise Control
Who thought this was a good idea?! One long 8 hour round trip in that car was enough for me. What idiots don't put cruise control on a car
Mazda UK unfortunately :( (it's not even available as an option on the RX-8 here).

G Man:

Sounds like you've gotten a little soft ;) You really are a difficult customer to please. I'd suggest you take up motorcycling, but you'd probably find something to dissatisfy you there too.

Originally posted by Schneegz
G Man:

Sounds like you've gotten a little soft ;) You really are a difficult customer to please. I'd suggest you take up motorcycling, but you'd probably find something to dissatisfy you there too.

I agree with Schneegz. If you want looks and performance, you should try the Ducati or MV Agusta. Unless, of course, you lack the skill or cojones to ride one.

This is a similar problem I experienced when I drove the 350Z.

It just wasn't as fun to drive because of the lack of 'invitation' in the cabin... it really set me apart from being 'one with the car.'

The G35C was much better in that respect because of a better cabin layout and more relaxed feel thruout... I really felt better driving it.

That's why when I sat in the RX-8 at the Auto Show, I know I'll be happy in the inside... time will tell whether or not I'll be happy with the performance but given my criteria... I should be okay.

That's kind of why I wouldn't buy an Evo or STi. The interiors are so cheap looking for a $30k car. I don't care if people say "you're not paying for that, you're pay for performace..." If I'm paying that much money, I expect a certain level of quality in terms of refinement and luxury. I might as well spend $10k less and get a SRT-4. The RX-8 interior looks nicer than a G35 interior. Hopefully, I'll be able to test drive or at least be able to sit in a RX-8 sometime soon. Wellesley Mazda said middle of July.

Wow...


Just don't post this on the evo forum, I can't imagine what the flames would be like... :p

Originally posted by Lock & Load
G-MAN Having owned all of the above cars for such short periods ,and finding that none of them got your rocks off what makes you feel that the rx8 will please your tastes.

The RX-8 won't satisfy me either, but I like that "new car" smell. :)

I never said that I didn't like any of the cars, I like them all for different reasons for different things. If I could afford to have 6 cars they would be:

1) SUPERCAR: 2001-2003 Porsche 911 Turbo x50 ($180,000)
The instant "Rock Star" status is awesome. Performance is staggering! If you ever get the chance to own one, even for a month, I highly recommend it!

2) 2 SEATER SPORTS CAR: 1997-2000 Acura NSX-T ($92,000)
This is the most comfortable driving car I have ever owned. Not really all that fast, not really all that great handling, but best driver position short of a Formula 1 race car!

3) LUXURY SEDAN: 1998-2002 BMW 750iL ($136,000)
This car can carry 4 adults and 2 weeks of luggage and still cruise at 150+ mph on the highway and be rock solid. It is simply amazing. The rear seats are heated and recline! Now that is luxury.

4) CONVERTIBLE: 1999-2003 Mazda Miata ($24,000)
This car has go-cart like handling and is lots of fun with the top down. It even beats out the Porsche Boxster in the "fun to drive" category.

5) MID-SIZED SUV: 2001-2003 Acura MDX ($41,000)
This vehicle handles more like the Acura NSX than you would ever think possible for a vehicle that sized. It seats 7 and it is the only car that I have had for more than 2 years since my 1972 Datsun 240Z that was a Bob Sharp Racing restoration. :)

6) LUXURY SUV: 1998-2002 Range Rover ($68,000)
This vehcile can go ANYWHERE and before Cadilac got into the SUV game, every old school rapper had to have one in black with 20" wheels. :) These are amazing vehciles off-road. If you ever get the chance to take the Land Rover Off Road Driving School, I would suggest you do that. It is loads of fun!

Ok, so that is my list. $541,000 of cars at MSRP. You can buy all of them right now on eBay for about $250,000 total. You also need a 6 car garage and lots of dough for insurance... but given the fact that you can't drive them all at the same time, you can reduce coverage in some. Some of you will notice that there is NOT a Ferrari on the list. Well, they are awesome, but not very practical. The 911 Turbo and the NSX fill both ends of the Ferrari Gap for me. Well, just in case any of you cared. :)

Originally posted by Schneegz
G Man:

Sounds like you've gotten a little soft ;) You really are a difficult customer to please. I'd suggest you take up motorcycling, but you'd probably find something to dissatisfy you there too.

I did, but I didn't like it either... See below:

1998 BMW K1200RS (http://www.g3.com/k1200rs)

Originally posted by Lex
G-man, those are awesome pictures and a kickass collection of cars that you listed.

But I, like most reasonable citizens, am left wondering: WTF?? :)


Well, there are 2 primary reasons why I buy so many cars:

1) Am guess I am looking for the ultimate single vehicle that can be used in a variety of situations, allow for summer and winter use, carry the wife and kids, and yet still be a lot of fun at the race track. Maybe the new Audi RS6 will do the trick. :)

2) The other is that I have to have something to do with my time and money. :) I figure that I don't cheat on my wife, I don't beat my kids and I don't do drugs, so I have to have some kind of "vice", so buying cars seems to be mine. :)

I hate to think what I have spent in cars over the last 20 years, but with over 30 cars now in 20 years, it is substancial for sure. Well over $250,000 over 20 years, you still only get an average of $12,500 per year or just over $1,000 per month... not bad for the experience or for the bragging rights. ;)

Originally posted by m477
Wow...


Just don't post this on the evo forum, I can't imagine what the flames would be like... :p

That is OK, they already flamed me for being almost "40" and still buying a "kids" car. I felt like the Trix Rabbit... "Silly G-man, EVOs are for kids!" Oh well. Flame On! ;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ibfubar2000
they should be here next week!!!


This isn't on topic but NEXT WEEK! My dealer says week 3 july. I'm in Arkansas but my car came in to humene this week. Is it possible?

Originally posted by G-man


I did, but I didn't like it either... See below:



Hey G-man; I found your problem:

1998 BMW K1200 RS
Claimed dry weight: 586 lbs
Claimed wet weight: 628 lbs
Power in 1998 was 130hp @ 8750rpm, with torque of 86 ft. lbs

Don't get me wrong, the BMW is a great MC and I would love to have one just to cruise around, but there are much better performing MC out there.

No offense, G-Man, but as someone who has purchased a multitude of cars, I think you should have known about the looks (and your opinion of them) and the lack of cruise control. The lack of cruise control is a nuisance, rather than a deal breaker for me (I've never owned a car with cruise control..so I'm used to it).

G-man.

I am torn between the RX-8 and a 1999 911. Can you help!!

Was there anything NOT to like about the 911? Of course I will not be getting the Turbo. Just the run of the mill coupe :o) If there is such a thing....

Thanks,
roachman

sorry to hear about the Evo...i didn't want to be mean and call the car ugly cuz you seemed to have fallen in love with it...IMO, the STi is much better looking but still not a beautiful car...and looking at your past purchases, NSX/911/M3, you know beautiful cars...i was pretty amazed that you bought the Evo or even considered it at all...

IMO, your car is the 360 Modena...it is THE most beautiful car and peforms, like you said, on par with the Evo which is why you bought that car in the first place...sure it's not practical, it can't take the wife AND kids at the same time, and much more money than the Evo or RX-8, but at least you'll be happy...besides, you have other cars to lug the family around, they're just extra baggage in the 360!

PS - later on if you don't want it, you can always just give it to me...i'm sure i probably wouldn't mind an "even" trade for my 8 ;)

Dam, that was really fast G-man! Personally, I was never really attracted to the EVO for almost the same reasons you've stated. And having lived with an EVO for awhile now, I can say that the performance and paper specs really does not make up (imo) for its other deficiencies in the long run. But hey, that's just me. I'm sure there are others who'll disagree.

Oh, please allow me...

WE TOLD YOU SO! :D

Originally posted by G-man

That is OK, they already flamed me for being almost "40" and still buying a "kids" car. I felt like the Trix Rabbit... "Silly G-man, EVOs are for kids!" Oh well. Flame On! ;)

LOL AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

You want perfomance,style,luxury, and can take the wife and kids. G35C than is your answer, but I can't say you might be satisfied because you have toyed around at cars "R" us, but hey its a suggestion. All I can say your weird but weirdness is good in your case because some people would love owning 8 cars in 2 yrs.

one more thing from 911 turbo to a mitsu evo... gah... you just downgrade yourself. If you had a evo than told us you sold that and getting a 911 turbo than we be wowed.

So what is it exactly you do for a living?....

I wouldn't mind having my own 911 turbo someday :D

Originally posted by G-man


I hate to think what I have spent in cars over the last 20 years, but with over 30 cars now in 20 years, it is substancial for sure. Well over $250,000 over 20 years, you still only get an average of $12,500 per year or just over $1,000 per month... not bad for the experience or for the bragging rights. ;)

So you just sell last year's toy to buy this year's? That's cool. I guess when you buy the very first one you get hit hard, but then after that you're only paying for depreciation + taxes/fees + the price difference from last year's car to this year's.

How much do you wind up losing every time on depreciation, and also paying extra every time on fees?

Originally posted by desmo996
Don't get me wrong, the BMW is a great MC and I would love to have one just to cruise around, but there are much better performing MC out there.

Yeah, but still hard to get the wife and kids on the Ducatti. :)

Originally posted by revhappy
No offense, G-Man, but as someone who has purchased a multitude of cars, I think you should have known about the looks (and your opinion of them) and the lack of cruise control.

I like to blame it on the movie hype for 2 Fast 2 Furious. I purchased the car within 72 hours fo seeing the movie. Looks like Mitsubishi got their monies worth out of the product placement. :)

So are you coming back to the RX-8 camp, or what?

I think you owe it a test drive :)

Originally posted by roachman
I am torn between the RX-8 and a 1999 911. Can you help!!

Well, Roachman, I don't want to get kicked off this board so soon after I return, but I can offer you this advice...

At Manheim Auctions, the average well appointed 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera with only 36,000 miles is going for $36,000. I think that is so good a deal that I actually have one "on order" with a broker that I buy from as soon as they can find what I want. I think that year Porsche offers exceptional value and will retain 90% of that value for the next 3-5 years.

I personally love the 911 and the 996 variation from 1999-today is a great car. More of a luxury GT cruiser than a real "sports car", but very livable and great! It is actually much more practical than you would think. It holds 8-9 paper grocery bags too (5 behind the seats and 4 in the trunk). :)

Of course, I haven't even seen the RX-8 in person, but I hear that the value for them is going to drop like a rock in year 2 and 3, so I may even wait a year or two and get one cheap and let you guys take the first hit in depreciation.

Originally posted by Hercules
So are you coming back to the RX-8 camp, or what?

I think you owe it a test drive :) Hell, he should just buy it since we all know he wants it. He'll have his fun, toss it aside and then buy some other toy.

Originally posted by chenpin
Damn, that was really fast G-man! Personally, I was never really attracted to the EVO for almost the same reasons you've stated. And having lived with an EVO for awhile now, I can say that the performance and paper specs really does not make up (imo) for its other deficiencies in the long run. But hey, that's just me. I'm sure there are others who'll disagree.

Obviously, I agree with you. I wish you had just e-mailed me a week ago... that way I could have just sent you $1,000 and saved myself a couple extra thousand. :)

Originally posted by Puppy1
Hell, he should just buy it since we all know he wants it. He'll have his fun, toss it aside and then buy some other toy.

Touche', I guess I deserve that comment. :) And, yes, that is likely what I will do. :)

Originally posted by moogle
You want perfomance,style,luxury, and can take the wife and kids. G35C than is your answer, but I can't say you might be satisfied because you have toyed around at cars "R" us, but hey its a suggestion.

one more thing from 911 turbo to a mitsu evo... gah... you just downgrade yourself. If you had a evo than told us you sold that and getting a 911 turbo than we be wowed.

There isn't a Lexus dealer anywhere around, so I will have to find one. I have heard some good things about the G35. I will take a look for sure. There are one or two in town now, so I clearly like the way they look on the outside and hopefully the inside is better than the 350Z.

As far as "trading down" from the 911 Turbo to the EVO, it was a matter of 2 things.

1) The market is really soft on the 996 cars due to economy, the release of the X50 power optoin and the pending release of the 997 model. So the Turbos are dropping in value daily. I paid $121,500 plus tax, etc. to $128,500. I sold mine for $97,000 and today, you can buy one for $89,000 almost brand new. That is a price drop of $24,000 in 9 months I had it and another $8,000 since I sold it.

2) The other factor is the interest rate drop. I bought the 911 Turbo at the low rate of 6.5% for $120,000. That is $7,800 per year of interest. Porsche is offering new rates as low as 4.25%, so there is a savings of 2.25% per year just in interest. That is a savings of almost $2,700 per year. So if I had held on to the car even 3 months longer, I would have lost over $10,000 in additional value and interest alone. Even I know when to "pull the rip chord". :)

There isn't a Lexus dealer anywhere around, so I will have to find one. I have heard some good things about the G35

Try Infiniti -- their G35 is a little better than the Lexus one ;)

Originally posted by G-man


Yeah, but still hard to get the wife and kids on the Ducati. :)

That's the reason I bought the RX8. I wan't some type of performance for my daily driver, with the option to take my wife and baby along, if I need to. For safety and long trips we use the X5, but for pure fun and extreme performance, my duc is right there.

Originally posted by rxeightr


Try Infiniti -- their G35 is a little better than the Lexus one ;)


DOH!!!! :eek:

Originally posted by G-man


There isn't a Lexus dealer anywhere around, so I will have to find one. I have heard some good things about the G35. I will take a look for sure. There are one or two in town now, so I clearly like the way they look on the outside and hopefully the inside is better than the 350Z.


uh...I'm not sure you will find G35s at Lexus dealers. You might want to try Infiniti :D

Anyway, I hope you broke in the Evo VIII properly per the training video and the manufacture's suggestions. This is key to the resale of your Evo.

On a side note, I was just browsing your g3.com site and I see you were very timely in your involvement in the IT and Technology field. I took a few HCI courses back in college (and graduated with an IS degree), and I definitely find the area more than interesting. Now I'm a strategist for financial firm, but of course with the economy in ever flux, budget for this type of work is fairly tight. Let's just say I'm not purchasing cars for fun. Wish I was there back in mid-90's.

Originally posted by Lex
How much do you wind up losing every time on depreciation, and also paying extra every time on fees?

I am not sure. I have never added it all up, but I think that I will now go back and take a look at just how much it has cost me. I don't think it is as much as I thought it was. In the overall, it really isn't as much as it would seem on the surface. If I figure it all out, I will post a detailed analysis. :) My guess is that most of the money lost is in interest, taxes, fees and charges and not on depreciation. Sure, the $100K+ cars will drop $20,000 in value some times, but then there are the $20,000 cars that only dropped $7,000 too. The killer was having 6 cars at a time and paying property taxes, insurance, etc. on them all but only being able to drive one at a time. :) So, the depreciation is really just a small part of the overall cost of ownership.

Then there is the 1975 Porsche 911 that I paid $12,500 for and sold for $10,000 and only lost $2,500 but cost me $700 per month in repairs just to keep running. :)

I figure that I must lose about 20%-33% of value on each car I buy. I figured out just now that I spent $630,000 over 10 years on my top 15 cars. If you assume the loss of 25% of the total, then, I lost $157,500 over 10 years, or a loss of $15,750 per year or about $1,300 per month total depreciation loss. Actual losses are less, since I didn't lose money on every car, or lost a lot less on some. Still, that is not too bad for being able to drive just about anything I want to. :)

As I have said before, you should buy a car on how happy it makes you. You bought the Evo becuase it was so damn fun to drive. After living with it for a little while you realized it didn't make you happy anymore. I can't say I am glad you got rid of your evo, but I am glad you realized you didn't like it and got rid of it instead of tyring to force something that wasn't there.

On a side note, I am very glad you are back on the forum you always brought excellent insight to most topics and gave things a realistic spin.
WECLOME BACK!:)

Originally posted by G-man


There isn't a Lexus dealer anywhere around, so I will have to find one. I have heard some good things about the G35. I will take a look for sure. There are one or two in town now, so I clearly like the way they look on the outside and hopefully the inside is better than the 350Z.


The G35C is *WAY* nicer (materials & finish) inside than the 350Z. I've been inside a 350Z and driven/ridden in the G35 extensively (my partner drives one :cool: ) It's a fun car! Not much headroom in the rear (probably plenty for kids though).

The style you can't cure but for around $200 you can add a cruise control. I'm figuring that the style was the biggest issue. It's definitely no 911 TT, NSX, M3...etc. but it's surprising that the style wasn't more of an issue before you bought one.

Anyways...G-Man you need to stop f**king around :D. Sell all your cars and pick up the following. I think this list should satisfy your indulgence.

MEGAPERFORMANCE: Ferrari Enzo
Grocery Getter: MB E55 AMG or Audi RS6 (since you like AWD)
SUV: Porsche Cayenne
Truck: wait for the new F-150 Lightning with 500 hp.

I think all of them are faster in a straight line than the EVO. Maybe not the Porsche and who knows about the F-150.

Anyways good luck with the next purchase. Wish I had the dough for anything on your list of vehicles.

Originally posted by AbusiveWombat
The style you can't cure but for around $200 you can add a cruise control. I'm figuring that the style was the biggest issue. It's definitely no 911 TT, NSX, M3...etc. but it's surprising that the style wasn't more of an issue before you bought one.

MEGAPERFORMANCE: Ferrari Enzo
Grocery Getter: MB E55 AMG or Audi RS6 (since you like AWD)
SUV: Porsche Cayenne
Truck: wait for the new F-150 Lightning with 500 hp.

Well, of course, I can see... I am not blind, so I was not entirely convinced of the EVOs "presence" when I bought it... but all I can say is that you have to drive this car. Even if you never are stupid enough to buy one, it is an awesome car to drive. It really is oustanding. Wrap this car in better skins and slap a Porsche crest on a more sexy wrapper and you would find this car would be a category killer. From inside the car, it isn't so ugly and at certain extreme angles the car looks really nice. The car has nice details too, but it is the overly boxy side view with the high roofline that really kills this car for me. Also the rear wing is insane. Who in the world really needs this thing!?

As far as the revised list of cars, it is an interesting list, but well over $1,000,000 for the Enzo alone. :) I can get all 6 on my list from eBay for just $250,000. If you have never driven an all-wheel-drive turbo charged car, I highly recommend it. There really is nothing like launching the car by lighting up all 4 wheels! My goal was to reduce my debt load and not increase it. While it is huge step down from the my $130,000 911 Turbo to my $30,000 Evo, you have to realize the debt reduction is about $100,000 and that the EVO from a performance standpoint is 90% of the performance of the 911 Turbo.

The EVO on paper and from behind the wheel looks awesome, but it still doesn't "stir your blood" as you walk up to it like many of the other cars that I have owned do. The EVO beckons you to drive it because it is fun to drive. The others have screamed at me from across the parking lot out my corner office window "COME DRIVE ME" because they look like they are going 100 miles per hour just standing still... the EVO looks like the parking break is on. :)

The others have screamed at me from across the parking lot out my corner office window "COME DRIVE ME" because they look like they are going 100 miles per hour just standing still... the EVO looks like the parking break is on

I admit, I am very much a visual person. They gotta look good for me to even get interested. It does matter what is on the inside, but I want the entire package.

Sorry, I digressed. Now back to cars.......:eek:

Originally posted by G-man


2) The other factor is the interest rate drop. I bought the 911 Turbo at the low rate of 6.5% for $120,000. That is $7,800 per year of interest. Porsche is offering new rates as low as 4.25%, so there is a savings of 2.25% per year just in interest. That is a savings of almost $2,700 per year. So if I had held on to the car even 3 months longer, I would have lost over $10,000 in additional value and interest alone. Even I know when to "pull the rip chord". :)

Interesting... is that everywhere or just your area. Do you live in california because rates are going down here but I am not sure on porsches...

Originally posted by moogle
Interesting... is that everywhere or just your area. Do you live in california because rates are going down here but I am not sure on porsches...

I live in VA, and the rates are from the PA Manheim Auctions. There are auctions all over the country. California and Florida may be doing better, but not much. Just not as many people out there with the cushy job and the mid six-figure salary to support their status of success that they no longer have. For me, I bought the 911 Turbo because I loved to race it. But, after 2 days at Charlotte Motorspeedway at 160+mph I have to say that the 911 Turbo is really too fast. Too fast for the street.. you will get a ticked for 112mph in a 35 mph zone like I did. And too fast for the track without modificaitons like a full cage and all the go-fast goodies for track use. Just not safe enough in stock form in the event you toss it into the wall. Very nice, but wicked-dangerous fast! :)

G-Man, I got a suggestion. You said you like AWD and Turbos, and you also seem to like the Porsche style. How about the Audi TT Quattro (225 hp) coupe. It isn't gonna be insanely fast, but it looks like it gets the job done plus it's a 4 seater with full rear seat although tight, but it has style, AWD, a turbo, and a somewhat decent amount of trunk room - especially if you put one or two of the rear seats down. Or you could chill and wait for the Audi TT 3.2 DSG that comes out in the fall that is gonna have that really cool 6 speed transmission with the multiple modes on it. I am heavily considering the TT as my next car, it's got style, AWD, lots of trunk space since I don't need the rear seats, and it's a sports car I could use in sun, rain and blizzards :D (as I have seen done by the people on an Audi TT board).

Audi TT is too cheap for G-Man! Go for the Audi RS6! :D

it's sad to not see a Z06 on your list anywhere :confused:

Originally posted by GodWhomIsMike
G-Man, I got a suggestion. You said you like AWD and Turbos, and you also seem to like the Porsche style. How about the Audi TT Quattro (225 hp) coupe.

You bring up a good point. I actually drove one and almost bought one, but there is a 3.2 liter coupe coming next year that will be a real Porsche 911 killer. The back seats are a little too tight to get the kids in and out of on a regular basis if I want us all to travel. But, it is another splendid example of all-wheel-drive and turbo charged for sure! :)

Originally posted by Farsyde
it's sad to not see a Z06 on your list anywhere :confused:

Yeah, there are 2 cars that I have always wanted to own, but could never bring myself to get past the lack of decent ergonomics on the interior...

1) C5, C6 or Z06 Corvette
2) Mustang Cobra, SVT or R

Ford and Chevy both have a real problem with the interiors in these cars. Now, don't get me wrong, the EVO has its drawbacks in being cheap and flimsy, but it is PERFECTLY layed out. The RECARO seats go a long way toward making any car livable, and the EVO is no different. That is why I almost bought a Mustang R when they came out, since they had a Recaro Interior. The Corvette and Mustangs both have new versions in 2005, so we will see if they get any better. I would love to have a Mustang, but they don't handle well enough for me without serious modifications. Of course the SALEEN Mustangs are a breed apart and are fairly rare, exclusive and numbered, so I may spring for one of those is 2005 trim. :)

Ideal car for G-man:

Lexus IS300 Turbo, 500+ hp, automatic, 18k miles, $40K

Seller location: Philadelphia, PA

http://www.is300.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13349004

welcome back g-man!

it is good to have you back on this forum, as others have said, you give good insight and put a bery real twist on things, as well as offering quasi-intelligent conversation lol!

you want something, safe, faste, AWD, and family driveable eh?
how about that new volvo s60r?

around 42-43g fully loaded, 0-60 in 5.4, a volvo, so you KNOW its safe. yak yak yak...do what you really want, and get an rx-8!

btw, flying isnt really all that fun, i find it rather boring, although it can get kinda kool if you go into a CRAZY steep bank, but otherwise its kinda lame, i mean, its fun, but theres no rush, unless you get a jet or trick plane or something, then you can get crazy
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Ideal car#2 for G-man

PFS Stage 1 Turbo Lexus IS300, 340 hp, kit price = $6K

http://www.pfsupercars.com

Visit PFS for more information.

Peter Farrell Supercars, Inc
9141 Centreville Rd
Manassas, Virginia 20110

Originally posted by Supercharger
Ideal car#2 for G-man

PFS Stage 1 Turbo Lexus IS300, 340 hp, kit price = $6K

http://www.pfsupercars.com

Visit PFS for more information.

Peter Farrell Supercars, Inc
9141 Centreville Rd
Manassas, Virginia 20110


I met Peter at a couple of the Mazda Club events and we have run VIR together. I was aware of the IS300, but hadn't remembered that he had worked his magic on them. I like the EVO fine enough for now, but I bet that is a nice car for my situation. Thanks for the thoughts.

G-man,

Dude you need to lay off the porn, its affecting your car purchases.


If you cant be happy with some of those awsome cars you have owned then you really need to get some help.:D

I said this on 6/2 and I'm gonna say it again...

"WRX SUX

No, really, a tin box with a hood scoop? No thanx! I don't care HOW fast the little piece of...

Nuf said."

That goes for the EVO VIII too.

Originally posted by Racer X-8
I said this on 6/2 and I'm gonna say it again...

"WRX SUX

No, really, a tin box with a hood scoop? No thanx! I don't care HOW fast the little piece of...

Nuf said."

That goes for the EVO VIII too.

it's all a matter of taste. Some ppl want a car that will go 0-60 in <5 secs and can tolerate the rubbermaid interior.

Originally posted by Farsyde


it's all a matter of taste. Some ppl want a car that will go 0-60 in <5 secs and can tolerate the rubbermaid interior.

LOL! Yep! Rubbermaid interior - good one.

This truly is a matter of taste. Even if I were to be looking for a speedracer, those two STILL wouldn't make the mark. They're still a compromise car. That being performance/affordability. I would drive a POS around & save-up to get what I really want. I just gotta laugh when I see one (of either). They're a joke! Oooh, see how fast I can go? Big deal! There's a lot of cars that are faster, so what's the point? Surely not the looks! Yuk!

Just my $.02 and also, the initiator of this thread, obviously. That's why I thought I would repeat myself.

Originally posted by Racer X-8


LOL! Yep! Rubbermaid interior - good one.

This truly is a matter of taste. Even if I were to be looking for a speedracer, those two STILL wouldn't make the mark. They're still a compromise car. That being performance/affordability. I would drive a POS around & save-up to get what I really want. I just gotta laugh when I see one (of either). They're a joke! Oooh, see how fast I can go? Big deal! There's a lot of cars that are faster, so what's the point? Surely not the looks! Yuk!

Just my $.02 and also, the initiator of this thread, obviously. That's why I thought I would repeat myself.

Drive one and see. Read just about any EVO or Top Gear Magazine article about the EVO or the STI in the last 10 years and note the descriptions about the experience and driving dynamics. Of course, you seem to know much more than these guys. :confused:

Originally posted by revhappy


Drive one and see. Read just about any EVO or Top Gear Magazine article about the EVO or the STI in the last 10 years and note the descriptions about the experience and driving dynamics. Of course, you seem to know much more than these guys. :confused:
I know the thrill and exhileration of riding a rollercoaster too, but I wouldn't like to take one to work every day. I don't have to drive one to know that I personally don't want one. I just have to look at cars like these to make that decision. They tried to dres them up, but they still are tin boxes with hood scoops to me. No class. Technologically going into the tunnelvision of speed. Whoo! They're an eyesore to me and that's all I gotta know. I have better things to do than to be bothered with knowing about cars that I have no interest in from the first moment I laid my eyes on them. First impressions count, and from what I picked up here and there about them, such as this thread, nothing has increased my interest in them. Maybe a little bit faster than the RX-8, so what!

Originally posted by Racer X-8

I know the thrill and exhileration of riding a rollercoaster too, but I wouldn't like to take one to work every day. I don't have to drive one to know that I personally don't want one. I just have to look at cars like these to make that decision. They tried to dres them up, but they still are tin boxes with hood scoops to me. No class. Technologically going into the tunnelvision of speed. Whoo! They're an eyesore to me and that's all I gotta know. I have better things to do than to be bothered with knowing about cars that I have no interest in from the first moment I laid my eyes on them. First impressions count, and from what I picked up here and there about them, such as this thread, nothing has increased my interest in them. Maybe a little bit faster than the RX-8, so what!

Its a niche car, so if you don't like it, no big deal. However, I wouldn't pre-judge a driver's car without driving it first. In another thread you said you stopped by the Mitsubishi dealer, so why don't you take another 10 minutes and drive it? :confused:

Originally posted by revhappy


Its a niche car, so if you don't like it, no big deal. However, I wouldn't pre-judge a driver's car without driving it first. In another thread you said you stopped by the Mitsubishi dealer, so why don't you take another 10 minutes and drive it? :confused:

I'm going to my Mazda place to see an RX-8 (not test drive - got 4 in/4 sold - 1 car being held with permission of new owner so they can show it). That's why I happened to just stop in yesterday at the Mitsi place around the corner - I was going by the Mazda place to look for the 4 RX-8's. 3 were already gone & didn't notice the 1 inside - rats. Going to see that 1 today. I might go back to Mitsi to maybe test drive an Evo VIII if my wife will put up with it.
I never said anything bad about the performance. I think I already gave it my nod that it's a very good performer, based on other reviews. I didn't want to put miles on a new car, knowing that I won't be buying one. I just might though. I want my wife to see one & if this time a salesman decides to talk to us, I'll be feeling him out to see how much he wants us to drive one. If he does, I will, no doubt then. Maybe I will still be able to get the $100 out of it too. I already signed for the RX-8 though (due in @ end of August).

The $100 deal does not apply to the EVO.

Originally posted by revhappy
The $100 deal does not apply to the EVO.

Yes it does. They had the sticker for it on the drivers door glass.

Too bad it is too damn ugly for its own good... and it should be a crime to leave off cruise control. The "20 somethings" over on the EVO list don't have much sympathy for those of us pushing 40 that want to buy and EVO. Some of them didn't even realize the car didn't have cruise control. Oh well, to be 20 and stupid again...

Not to be an ass or something, but people who are 20 and getting evo's are very happy.... There not thinking there stupid... I mean dude your what in your late 40, or 50's and from the sound of it your not happy.... Your story is just another tale of money cant buy happiness. ... You should have looked at the car as second time, which maybe you did or didnt. http://forum.evolutionforums.com/zerothread?id=261

this was posted later that day by you.... So whats the deal is the EVO crap or great!!!!!! Enjoy what you have, dont worry about the flaws so much. Next time make sure you get what you want before you buy it.

once again I didnt mean to be an ass but still. Whats going to make you happy????

Infury...

GMan - Why are you buying and selling so many cars??? Stick with something for a bit instead of just running to the next new thing.... Your EVO might have grown on ya - you never know

MY Car: Titanium RX-8 GT

Really growing on me and I have had Miatas for the last 10 Years... Still love the miata - I have a 99' in the garage now.

Hey G-Man,

Off the topic, but is that your NSX in front of the Greenbriar in WV?


Why don't you get Petit Racing to build you one of those 550hp Banzai FD RX-7's, that should keep you interested for a few months.:D

Too bad the Evo didn't work out for you. I haven't made my car purchase yet, but I'm heavily leaning toward the RX-8 (which is why I registered here). Since I live in Colorado, I am also considering the Evo and the STi. The Subie is still way overpriced ($3-4000 over msrp at many places), which eliminates it. I like the Evo (cruise control is available aftermarket), but I'm worried that I'll get tired of it fast due to its uninspiring looks and bland interior. The Evo would ostensibly be better than the RX-8 in winter, although it would need snow tires just as much as the Mazda. So, I'll do a few more test-drives and decide soon. Hopefully, I won't have my own case of buyer's remorse.

Nice to see such WRX love...

I'm glad you can present your argument in such a mature fashion ("wrx suX0rz")...

Anyway, Rubbermaid interior? I've sat in your RX-8 my friend, and that center console is cheesy. The WRX interior is fine, it's not luxury, nor should it be, and never was meant to be. My seats happen to be more supportive/comfortable than your 8's. Great ergronomics in my car as well.

Having said that, the 8 is a nice car and i like it, but it's not quite fast enough for me.