View Full Version : So I test drive a Z again yesterday...


c2k4-8
03-18-2005, 09:11 AM
My friend now works at a local Ford dealership where they had an 03 Z Touring model on their used car lot with 17,895 miles.

I've been wanting to drive one again after having the RX8 for a while, so yesterday I drove down there and did just that. So I thought... well this will be make or break - will I like my "8" better or think, uh, uh... should'a got a Z.

My impressions:
The interior felt very cramped to me... although I did like the seats. One thing I really don't like is the clutch - it's alot stiffer than ours and I had to kind of pick my leg up to push down on the clutch, that felt uncomfortable - like the clutch was too high.

It rode like a tank! And this was a touring model. The car felt very heavy - although it handled great, stiff steering. Although it doesn't feel quick and nimble like the 8.

Power: Well, the Z does have more torque down low, and it may jump us off the line, although it didn't feel that much quicker than the RX8... if the Z would get the jump off the line I think the 8 would catch up.

Overall - I think the 350Z fells like an older car - more muscle car, as the RX8 feels more newer - as in newer technology. After driving the Z I really appreciated the ride in the "8".

raji
03-18-2005, 11:37 AM
cool

when i test drove the Z almost a year ago, it was actually very uncomfortable for me. Not because of the seats or anything but because i was sitting way too low. In a sports car that's a must, but being as short as i am, the Z just sunk me. Otherwise, even compared to the 8 that i test drove fairly recently, the Z is a very impressive car. The deal breaker for me (with the Z) was the missing back seats and the looks. Not crazy about either.

i'm looking to get an 8 sometime mid to late next year :)

Ike
03-18-2005, 12:41 PM
Good review overall but no matter waht your felt the RX-8 isn't catching a Z in any acceleration category.

Hard 8
03-18-2005, 02:07 PM
How much did they want for it? What color was it?

I dig those cars' looks. Too bad they apparently don't ride very well, and don't have four seats.

RX8-TX
03-18-2005, 04:29 PM
the RX-8 isn't catching a Z in any acceleration category.
ditto

pimpindarx8
03-18-2005, 04:48 PM
i test drove the 350z and i thought it didnt feel as smooth as the 8 but it was most certainly faster than the 8. No way the 8 would catch up maybe a turbo 8

Hard 8
03-18-2005, 04:56 PM
The Z is quicker ("faster" is different from "quicker"), but not by a great deal. O - 60 is about half a second quicker; ditto the quarter mile. BFD.

BlueEyes
03-18-2005, 05:07 PM
Per Motortrends comparison:
RX-8:
0-60 = 6.0 seconds
1/4 mile = 14.49 @95.47
350Z
0-60 = 5.3
1/4 mile = 13.77 @100.94

Thats a difference of 0.7 seconds to 60 and in the 1/4 mile. In the world of cars, that is a BFD. That's the difference between and Enzo and a Porsche 997S.

If were talking track times, however, they even out nicely.

Hard 8
03-18-2005, 05:13 PM
There's some wiggle room there: Other ones I found on Google found only a half second difference, or 0.60, on each measure. I still say BFD. I know there's a difference, but for me half a second, or seven tenths, is only significant if you're into drag racing, which I'm not.

dmp
03-18-2005, 05:16 PM
Good review overall but no matter waht your felt the RX-8 isn't catching a Z in any acceleration category.

Uhem....yes. At least ONE acceleration category my dear, realistic friend.

'Lateral' acceleration.

;)

Pkskull77
03-18-2005, 05:18 PM
Two things bothered me about the 350z, the salesman, and the windshield. The salesman is not Nissan’s fault, but the windshield is.

When I got into the car it felt like I was having a hard time scanning the road, because the window was way to small. Otherwise I loved the car. If the sales pitch had been done the right way, I would probably have a Z.

rotaryred
03-18-2005, 08:45 PM
Most of the z's advantage i believe is in 1st gear, for some reason the rx-8's first gear isnt the greatest. A 45mph roll however in 2nd should prevail much greater.

Reactionary
03-19-2005, 02:22 AM
How much did they want for it? What color was it?

I dig those cars' looks. Too bad they apparently don't ride very well, and don't have four seats.

Just install 2 more seats. Problem solved.

Rhawb
03-19-2005, 03:02 AM
If you just jammed two seats in there somewhere (if two more seats would even fit inside the car), I'd imagine you'd have some VERY uncomfortable and unhappy passengers.

KYLiquid
03-19-2005, 03:16 AM
If you just jammed two seats in there somewhere (if two more seats would even fit inside the car), I'd imagine you'd have some VERY uncomfortable and unhappy passengers.

I get to drive the 350 and the G35SC (sports coupe) on a daily basis. The both drive great, while i love the ride, i think its a little to much 'track car' for a lot of people.

Its pretty quick, and the response is great.

As far as the back seat thing goes, have you looked at the G35 Sedan or SC, they both have a back seat, and in 6speed trim are both a blast to drive, but that all comes with the added price :-(

sure other cars in the 8's category have 'better' things about them, but in and out of its class, nothing ive seen has that 'total package' ... the right looks, performance, technology ... ect.

Ill be buying one this summer june/july time and the cars Ive looked at are all around ~30k :

Subaru STI
Acura TL A-Spec
Mitsubishi EVO MR
Nissan 350Z
Mazda RX8

c'mon theres clearly only 1 winner, lol :D

khtm
03-19-2005, 11:51 AM
Good review overall but no matter waht your felt the RX-8 isn't catching a Z in any acceleration category.
exactly.

Rhawb
03-19-2005, 11:54 AM
Yeah, I was just referring to jamming two seats into some part of the Z...There isn't a whole lot of space for holding any more seats in that thing regarless of how you orient them. I love the G35, but the premium paid for a little more luxury and two extra seats over the Z is pretty darn steep, especially when the 8 can do it for so much less. (though I can understand how proud they must be that they got those seats into the G :p)

PoLaK
03-19-2005, 01:06 PM
Anyone else like the wheels on the 35th Anniversary Edition 350Z..... :rolleyes:
It is pumping out power tho 300hp at the crank, more expensive now $37,000, at that price I'd just buy an elise.

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/392005133430.jpg

Rotario
03-19-2005, 01:53 PM
The interior felt very cramped to me...

It rode like a tank! And this was a touring model.
Those were my exact same impressions. I've owned a 240Z, a 260Z, a 280Z, a 280ZX, and two 300ZX's (different body styles). I loved them all. So when I made the decision to buy another sports car, the first place I went was to a Nissan dealer. 10 minutes into the test drive of a Touring model, I knew it wasn't the car for me. Regarding the interior, I'd go one beyond "cramped" and call it nearly claustrophobic.

I stopped at a Mazda dealer on the way home from test driving the Z, and two minutes into the test drive on the '8, I knew it was the car for me. Bought it on the spot.

I think the 350Z is a great car, but it didn't fit my 6'3", 190 pound frame very well. The '8 (without sunroof) is/was my ticket to happiness.

Bill

army_rx8
03-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Anyone else like the wheels on the 35th Anniversary Edition 350Z..... :rolleyes:
It is pumping out power tho 300hp at the crank, more expensive now $37,000, at that price I'd just buy an elise.

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/392005133430.jpg



good call..i love teh elise...now i wonder if i'd fit in it.:p

37 large is a lot for a z. but to each his own.

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 07:45 PM
cool

Otherwise, even compared to the 8 that i test drove fairly recently, the Z is a very impressive car. The deal breaker for me (with the Z) was the missing back seats and the looks. Not crazy about either.

i'm looking to get an 8 sometime mid to late next year :)

you call the z ugly and then say you are goung to buy a 8?thats funny...

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 07:49 PM
My friend now works at a local Ford dealership where they had an 03 Z Touring model on their used car lot with 17,895 miles.

I've been wanting to drive one again after having the RX8 for a while, so yesterday I drove down there and did just that. So I thought... well this will be make or break - will I like my "8" better or think, uh, uh... should'a got a Z.

My impressions:
The interior felt very cramped to me... although I did like the seats. One thing I really don't like is the clutch - it's alot stiffer than ours and I had to kind of pick my leg up to push down on the clutch, that felt uncomfortable - like the clutch was too high.

It rode like a tank! And this was a touring model. The car felt very heavy - although it handled great, stiff steering. Although it doesn't feel quick and nimble like the 8.

Power: Well, the Z does have more torque down low, and it may jump us off the line, although it didn't feel that much quicker than the RX8... if the Z would get the jump off the line I think the 8 would catch up.

Overall - I think the 350Z fells like an older car - more muscle car, as the RX8 feels more newer - as in newer technology. After driving the Z I really appreciated the ride in the "8".

the stiff steering is technology that the 8 doesnt have...it is designed to stiffen the faster you go to give you more feel for the road....z runs 13s stock....its an assload faster than the 8.....i have owned both actually traded the 8 for a TRUE sports car.... :D

just stirring the pot :)

oh almost forgot....140 ish top speed for an 8 and a 170ishmph topspeed in a z and its computer controled speed limiter... try that in an 8

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 08:30 PM
Should be faster and it looks like an egg. Consider it stirred :)

Mindtrip
04-05-2005, 08:33 PM
I liked mine when I had one.

scottmhr1
04-05-2005, 08:45 PM
The z looks like a vw beetle someone stepped on. Has some good points of it own but is not a good looking car.

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 08:45 PM
lets see its hands down the best looking car under 30k and the best looking vert under 35k
and if you are going to put comparisons between the z and rx8 you need a head check...there is no comparison...the z is the TOTAL package...
real sports cars only have 2 seats....yea the 8 goes around a track well.....thats because it doesnt have enough power to push it to its limits......but the z does around the track just as well and then pulls even harder on the straights.....

you shouldnt even be comparing the 2 cars....

its like comparing a SL500 to a SLK

the 8 is a beginers car and once you learn to drive you step it up to a z ;)

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 08:50 PM
Lol, a little bias? The 8 is much better looking. The Z isn't even as good looking as the Honda. It looks like an EGG. Looks are subjective so I am just poking but the interior of the Nissan like all of them now is awful and there is no sexy lines in the car. Just an egg on roids imo. Enjoy.

tiggerlee
04-05-2005, 08:55 PM
you shouldnt even be comparing the 2 cars....

So why are you?

tiggerlee
04-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Lol, a little bias? The 8 is much better looking. The Z isn't even as good looking as the Honda. It looks like an EGG. Looks are subjective so I am just poking but the interior of the Nissan like all of them now is awful and there is no sexy lines in the car. Just an egg on roids imo. Enjoy.


Yes, The 8 will turn heads like the Z never will.

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Have you ever tracked the Z? 170 MPH does you zero good on public roads. I don't track so I would say the 8 has plenty more spend then we will see on public highways.

QBallz
04-05-2005, 08:57 PM
Oh yah and we all do 100+ practically every day :rolleyes:

the stiff steering is technology that the 8 doesnt have...it is designed to stiffen the faster you go to give you more feel for the road....z runs 13s stock....its an assload faster than the 8.....i have owned both actually traded the 8 for a TRUE sports car.... :D

just stirring the pot :)

oh almost forgot....140 ish top speed for an 8 and a 170ishmph topspeed in a z and its computer controled speed limiter... try that in an 8

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 08:59 PM
Yes, The 8 will turn heads like the Z never will.


I agree. Need a national looks contest between the 3 bone stock inside and out.

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 09:03 PM
The 8 can go 140ish. When are you going to go that fast on a public road?? Besides, the 8 is sexy so driving it slow is just as enjoyable :)

scottmhr1
04-05-2005, 09:06 PM
probably just hates how much he paid for the z and regrets it. 90 at 3k rpm? what gear? Do you have any idea what you are talking about. Hell they should fire all the editors of all the car magazines that have rated the 8 over the z. Guess they don't know half as much as "ate our... mmmm, lol i'll refrain.

jaguargod
04-05-2005, 09:08 PM
Should be faster and it looks like an egg. Consider it stirred :)

That's funny you said that. I have often compared the looks of the Z to an egg. Not only does it not look as cool as the RX 8, it's considerably more expensive (loaded RX 8 compared to loaded Z) and I think it is the only sports car that I see more of than the Mustang. You don't get much individuality with a Z.

barielle
04-05-2005, 09:10 PM
My father had the first year 240Z, I still remember it, delivered first in the state and they didn't even take the plastic wrapping off. Only came in burnt orange. Great car, built with the same theme as the 350Z. If you look though, the 240Z really didn't have that much power. The key here was drivability and my dad explaned that to me. The weenie sold that thing just as I was learning to drive. I had 1st year Miata. Didn't make much power. Set a new standard for drivability. With just a few mods you can practicaly wear that thing. I had 1st year twin turbo, R1 Competition Yellow Mica. Slip that bad boy on and you were fast. The big car then was the 5.0. For months we thought the fords wanted to look at the RX7 after the light went. This drivability thing seems to be a two part thing-you and it. The RX8 is really drivable. Cut that damn DSC off and push it. I just couldn't get that feeling from the Nissan. Drove like a sportscar/truck. OK for the track maybe but here in New Orleans the roads suck and you need a suspension that works by many measures. The way a rotary drives is just so great it's easy to overlook less important stuff.

tiggerlee
04-05-2005, 09:10 PM
If you paid for "sleek" than you got ripped off :p

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 09:11 PM
Last point. Most that bought the 8 could have bought the Z. Your insecurity vs appreciation for cars in general is very telling. I always get a kick out of the my car can do this crowd. You did nothing to make it do what it does but buy it. I am happy with my decision as are the other 8 owners and not liking the Z enough to buy it is no reason for you to come in and defend it. I have a feeling most won't be trading in their 8s for the Z so your not enlightening anyone.

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:11 PM
probably just hates how much he paid for the z and regrets it. 90 at 3k rpm? what gear? Do you have any idea what you are talking about. Hell they should fire all the editors of all the car magazines that have rated the 8 over the z. Guess they don't know half as much as "ate our... mmmm, lol i'll refrain.


6th gear....90 mph at 3k rpm....6600 rpm redline...yea i have plenty of idea what im talking about....question is DO YOU....oh and the z/g car was given car of the year....was the 8?NOPE

try again

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 09:14 PM
keep in mind i traded an 8 for a z....the 8 was to girlie for me...it was lacking in power and ricie inside...so i got the z....yea it doesnt have any lines because it was designed to be SLEEK....


So you didn't realize your feelings on power and interior until after you bought the 8 and had to trade it for the Z? I call b.s. or you are stupid. Not very good at this shopping around thing apparantly.

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:14 PM
[ Only came in burnt orange.


actually the 72 240 came in bright yellow

Mugatu
04-05-2005, 09:14 PM
oh joy, another Z vs. 8 thread.

tiggerlee
04-05-2005, 09:16 PM
No holds barred Mugatu!

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 09:18 PM
oh joy, another Z vs. 8 thread.


Guilty as charged for taking a part in this. A guy driving the Super Z, not just anyone can go to Nissan and get one so the boredom has taken over for the common sense.

QBallz
04-05-2005, 09:22 PM
The real reason I didn't get a Z...

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:22 PM
So you didn't realize your feelings on power and interior until after you bought the 8 and had to trade it for the Z? I call b.s. or you are stupid. Not very good at this shopping around thing apparantly.


actually bought the 8 cause i thought the suicide doors were cool if you must know....i liked the comercial with the car hugging the guy back when he hugged it...bought it for my wife.....i then turned around and traded it for a brickyard enthusist model which got totaled when i hit a dear in it and lost control....so i then got another one (black preformance model 6 spd.)like i said the 8 was ok...but feminine and lacking power....but for someone to say that thing is goodlooking is a little over board....the front humped fenders got played out with the 70s model corvettes

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:25 PM
Guilty as charged for taking a part in this. A guy driving the Super Z, not just anyone can go to Nissan and get one so the boredom has taken over for the common sense.


never once called it the super z....just more for the money than what you get from mazda.....as a matter of fact...NO MANUFACTURER makes a better car for UNDER 30 grand...

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:28 PM
not calling it the perfect car either...just the best thing out there for under 30k.....there are things i dont like about it....if your over 6'1" it is to confined...visibility out the back window sucks...and the door panels could have been made out of something nicer....but to keep it under 30k you gotta give up a little

barielle
04-05-2005, 09:32 PM
I was there, but maybe I was stoned. Probably may have something to do with why he sold it. Pretty sure about the colors but I'll check it out.

Isn't great we are in the situation where we can debate WHICH sports car we want as oppossed to wether that hyhena penis will make good soup.

8urrx8
04-05-2005, 09:38 PM
I was there, but maybe I was stoned. Probably may have something to do with why he sold it. Pretty sure about the colors but I'll check it out.

Isn't great we are in the situation where we can debate WHICH sports car we want as oppossed to wether that hyhena penis will make good soup.

:) pretty good

im not saying bs....im just saying the 72 240z came in yellow also.....if you look at any old posters of the 240 you will see the most common one is a yellow...

with the 240 it was you get what they sell you...it wasnt no i want this or that...you basicly had to take what they had since they were imported and dealers only got a few a year

bmcc49er
04-05-2005, 09:46 PM
actually bought the 8 cause i thought the suicide doors were cool if you must know....i liked the comercial with the car hugging the guy back when he hugged it...bought it for my wife.....i then turned around and traded it for a brickyard enthusist model which got totaled when i hit a dear in it and lost control....so i then got another one (black preformance model 6 spd.)like i said the 8 was ok...but feminine and lacking power....but for someone to say that thing is goodlooking is a little over board....the front humped fenders got played out with the 70s model corvettes


Alot of people overboard because I get a love your car, great looking car etc. comment daily. If you bought a car just because of the suicide doors without checking the power, interior etc. like i said your not a very good car shopper. Not sure what you mean by too feminine but your in the minority from what i can tell of the head turns and comments the 8 gets. I don't mind the Z but it would have been a chioce behind the 8 and the S2000.

barielle
04-05-2005, 09:54 PM
[ Only came in burnt orange.


actually the 72 240 came in bright yellow
OK, the car was a '70 I found a press release. Seems to have been the first year. I remember ONLY burnt orange that year. 2.4 liter 150hp. Cheesy vinyl black interior. Great idea. I don't know, but when I drive a Mustang, I don't get that thing-that feel that these cars give you. I have twin girls, going to be born in a few weeks. I am going to teach them how to drive. What a great gift. I n driving I'm going to teach them about that thing. I hope there are still rotarys around.

barielle
04-05-2005, 09:56 PM
OK, the car was a '70 I found a press release. Seems to have been the first year. I remember ONLY burnt orange that year. 2.4 liter 150hp. Cheesy vinyl black interior. Great idea. I don't know, but when I drive a Mustang, I don't get that thing-that feel that these cars give you. I have twin girls, going to be born in a few weeks. I am going to teach them how to drive. What a great gift. I n driving I'm going to teach them about that thing. I hope there are still rotarys around.
Sorry about turning on the Way Back Machine.

therm8
04-05-2005, 10:14 PM
not calling it the perfect car either...just the best thing out there for under 30k.....there are things i dont like about it....if your over 6'1" it is to confined...visibility out the back window sucks...and the door panels could have been made out of something nicer....but to keep it under 30k you gotta give up a little


I like the Z. I almost bought a Z.


Until I drove it. My Camaro at the time handled just as well, had alot more power, had better ride quality and stock stereo system, and in my opinion the interiors were very comparable in overall asthetics and quality. In the end I decided to go with something different. I couldn't see paying $30,000 for something I already had.

I wouldn't call it the best thing under 30 grand (All the ones I priced came to $30k+ with options anyway). The best rwd 2 seater under 30 grand I guess. Too many categories for me to make such a blanket statement. All in all, however, it is a very nice machine if you're not expecting too much in the interior and ride quality departments.

Please note that I did not say that the Z was inferior to the 8 or the Camaro.

spork
04-05-2005, 11:16 PM
6th gear....90 mph at 3k rpm....6600 rpm redline...yea i have plenty of idea what im talking about....question is DO YOU....oh and the z/g car was given car of the year....was the 8?NOPE

try again
I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. :(

I love the Z and the 8, and I think bashing either car is stupid. But the oh and the z/g car was given car of the year....was the 8?NOPE line? Please.

The 8 was voted 10 Best by Car and Driver twice in a row. Was the Z/G? No. The 8 wins most magazine comparisons to the 350Z/G35. If you want to use 3rd party reviews/ratings/awards, then I think you probably lose. From what I've seen the 8 wins a majority of the nods from magazines. Not all of them or even a great majority, but the majority. Does that mean the 8 is a superior car to the Z?

No it doesn't. I just means a lot of the reviewers liked driving the 8 more than the Z. If you read the reviews they all say the 8 is slower than the 350Z or the G35 and just doesn't have the power those cars do. No one is disputing that. Both those cars are a bit faster than the 8. But they're not so much faster meaning that just being a better driver in an 8 will allow you to win vs Zs and G35s. It just felt more nimble and comfortable for the reviewers and that's why they chose it; not because of pure performance.

Sheesh. And the thing a lot of people fail to realize including you is people have different criteria for what they want from their cars. The Z is the best car you can get for under 30 grand? Not even close if you want comfort. Is the 8 the best car you can get for under 30 grand? Nope, not if you want power or fuel economy. Is the Z the best car you can get for under 30 grand if all you want is performance? I dunno... a friend of mine got his STi for under 30 grand (he got his for 28) and it's much better than the Z performance wise.

The Z is likely the best car for YOU under 30 grand. That's not true for a lot of other people. I don't really see what's so difficult to understand about that concept. "Different people value different things."

Mindtrip
04-05-2005, 11:27 PM
THe reason I got rid of my Z is. THe HID's kinda sucked, could never hear the radip when windows were up, stereo sucked, small, and the paint that Nissan uses on almost all there cars suck. There are a lot of things I dont like about the 8 as well though. But I really like both cars. But the Z's are now as often seen as neons and mustangs, but same goes for the WRX now too and so the 8 will probably be more seen soon as well.

Oh well dont know where I was going with all that.

JM1FE
04-05-2005, 11:36 PM
the stiff steering is technology that the 8 doesnt have...it is designed to stiffen the faster you go to give you more feel for the road....
Quit displaying your ignorance. The RX-8 has excellent speed-sensitive steering. Nice and light for parking, nice and stiff at speed, with appropriate scaling in between.

have owned both actually traded the 8 for a TRUE sports car....
Good for you. Now get the hell off our forum, troll.


oh almost forgot....140 ish top speed for an 8 and a 170ishmph topspeed in a z and its computer controled speed limiter... try that in an 8
No thanks, I like my licence and insurance. Until I need to spend time at those speeds regularly, the theoretical top end is irrelevant to me. By the way, the RX-8 has no speed limiter - some members here have dynoed it to 186 MPH.

Mindtrip
04-05-2005, 11:40 PM
^ Word!

Ike
04-05-2005, 11:42 PM
I don't know why but every Z owner I've met thus far has been a total douchebag, but I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread ;)

This thread is just stupid, they're both nice cars with their pluses and minuses. I don't know why people can't just accept that and move on rather than turning things into a pissing contest and flinging insults. Sure, debate the differences between the cars and why you like one better than the other, but not this crap...

Steiner
04-05-2005, 11:57 PM
Performance, looks, price and everything else aside...

There are too many damn 350Z's on the road. Tough to be unique when you see somebody else driving your car 20 times a day.

Ike
04-06-2005, 12:00 AM
Performance, looks, price and everything else aside...

There are too many damn 350Z's on the road. Tough to be unique when you see somebody else driving your car 20 times a day.

There will be plenty of both on the road in a year or so, the Z just had a headstart and sells a little better. I've never seen 20 Zs a week let alone 20 a day.

BlueEyes
04-06-2005, 12:05 AM
some members here have dynoed it to 186 MPH.
not a chance of that happening in reality.

Steiner
04-06-2005, 12:05 AM
There will be plenty of both on the road in a year or so, the Z just had a headstart and sells a little better. I've never seen 20 Zs a week let alone 20 a day.
No. it's not like a Honda Accord or anything but there are a helluva lot of them on the roads in NorCal. Much more than the RX-8 at least...for now. In an office building of less than 200 people we have 3 in our parking lot.

PoLaK
04-06-2005, 12:57 AM
Welcome to the forum moron, nice first 14 trolling posts, consider this your only warning, you don't see us going to the Z forums and doing this why the hell do you subject us to this nonsense.

cas2themoe
04-06-2005, 09:49 AM
the stiff steering is technology that the 8 doesnt have...it is designed to stiffen the faster you go to give you more feel for the road....z runs 13s stock....its an assload faster than the 8.....i have owned both actually traded the 8 for a TRUE sports car.... :D

just stirring the pot :)

oh almost forgot....140 ish top speed for an 8 and a 170ishmph topspeed in a z and its computer controled speed limiter... try that in an 8

Your lack of knowledge between these two cars is ridicules. Check out the attached files and you'll have RX8 and 350Z education 101 Today.

Rotario
04-06-2005, 09:55 AM
Your lack of knowledge between these two cars is ridicules. Check out the attached files and you'll have RX8 and 350Z education 101 Today.
Excellent, Cas.

Unfortunately though, given the true nature of trolls, I don't think he'll get it. Not totally unexpected.

Bill

Ike
04-06-2005, 09:55 AM
Cas, he may be a douche but he's right about the speed though. No matter what your cute little file says, stock Zs are capable of 13.7s and they are a good amount faster than the RX-8.

canaryrx8
04-06-2005, 09:58 AM
1. why even buy the car for your wife if you hate it that much, what, do you hate your wife too?
2. quit crying because you only can seat 2 people, the sad thing is the 8 can seat 4 and still whips ass around a track, as does the EVO, are you saying the EVo is garbage too? do you ever "call out " EVO owners in your z?
3. why even bother posting here in the first place? honestly, calling people names? well you know what, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, plus the Z has the ugliest funking door handles ever, what were they thinking?
4. no body on here has ever said the 8 was the fastest car in the world or whatever, and just because something is faster doesn't make it better, cars are subjective, what's best for you isn't going to be best for me, or anyone for that matter judging from your behavior :D

cas2themoe
04-06-2005, 10:00 AM
Cas, he may be a douche but he's right about the speed though. No matter what your cute little file says, stock Zs are capable of 13.7s and they are a good amount faster than the RX-8.

Oh I'm not fighting that fact( I know that), I was talking about the top speed

cas2themoe
04-06-2005, 10:02 AM
plus the Z has the ugliest funking door handles ever, what were they thinking?

It's funny you said that, I was in the car yesterday and we pulled up to a Z and my dad said those are some tacky/ugly looking door handles.

canaryrx8
04-06-2005, 10:11 AM
It's funny you said that, I was in the car yesterday and we pulled up to a Z and my dad said those are some tacky/ugly looking door handles.

seriously, I love the Z, I've always loved them and all the previous gens, much like all the different "RX" cars. When they slapped those things on there it was like being kicked in the face, could you imagine how awful the 8 would look if it had those giant chuncks sticking off of it? That's probably why the car feels so heavy to people, shave the handles and you probably lose a couple hundred pounds :D

Mugatu
04-06-2005, 10:36 AM
blah blah blah blah

http://www.digitalend.com/pics/die1.jpg

Elara
04-06-2005, 11:08 AM
he's banned, gonna clean up the thread now. Sorry guys. Please dont' take it personally if I delete your response to him- just trying to get rid of all troll traces :)

Rotario
04-06-2005, 11:18 AM
he's banned, gonna clean up the thread now. Sorry guys. Please dont' take it personally if I delete your response to him- just trying to get rid of all troll traces :)
Hi Elara,

Good move. Feel free to delete mine if it helps clean things up.

Best,
Bill

JM1FE
04-06-2005, 11:38 AM
Hi Elara,

Good move. Feel free to delete mine if it helps clean things up.

Same.

spork
04-06-2005, 02:00 PM
Your lack of knowledge between these two cars is ridicules. Check out the attached files and you'll have RX8 and 350Z education 101 Today.
Whoa, where'd you get those pdfs? Those are cool. Are spec sheets like that available for other cars that I could get?

Broker73
04-06-2005, 03:17 PM
IKE, there has not been one mag out there that has even come close to showing 13.7 for Z's......but I guesss I'll just take your word for it??...geessss

the lowest time I have seen was 14.4......even the ann. addition they tested in the mid14's...........yah the Z is faster, but I would not say there it is a blow out to 60, or the 1/4 mile........5.9-6 for the 8, 14.5.-15 in the 1/4

5.5-5.6 for the Z to 60, mid 14's for the 1/4......come on man

You always seem to post here with a sense that you are the "all knowing"...lol....I like your posts at times, but for a guy that doesn't own the car, and probably spent little real time in the 8, you sure seem to spend a lot of time here.

I personally know a few friends that own the G35C, and another owns the 350Z RoadS. The G35 has run with me a few times from 2nd till 3rd and it was pretty much neck and neck...( I was shifting over 9K and breaking the tires loose easily) but kept up......the Z did pull when he wanted to run against me, but it was not like he was screaming away....closer than you think !

Sigma
04-06-2005, 03:32 PM
the lowest time I have seen was 14.4......even the ann. addition they tested in the mid14's...........yah the Z is faster, but I would not say there it is a blow out to 60, or the 1/4 mile........5.9-6 for the 8, 14.5.-15 in the 1/4

5.5-5.6 for the Z to 60, mid 14's for the 1/4......come on man


I really doubt that the Z normally only ran a mid-14 stock.

I've personally raced and watched many bone-stock Altima and Maxima SE MTXs run low-14s in the 1/4 mile. And they have slightly less power, a whole lot more weight, and are FWD.

I've actually never seen a Z at the track, but I can only assume, being a lighter RWD version of those same cars with roughly the same engine that it would be at least 0.25s faster in the 1/4, putting it into the high-13s rather consistently.

Hell, my 3250lb FWD 220/192 Mazda6s will pull 14.8s all day long. A Z better beat that by a full second, not just 0.3s -- about 1.5 car lengths.

It doesn't even make sense that you claim the Z can run a 5.5 0-60 but only a mid-14 1/4. A car running a 5.5 0-60 time better run a mid to high 13 unless it's gearing is really screwed up. Altimas will run a 6.2-6.4 0-60 and run low-14s. My Mazda6 will run a 6.9 0-60 and run a 14.8.

BlueEyes
04-06-2005, 04:17 PM
IKE, there has not been one mag out there that has even come close to showing 13.7 for Z's......but I guesss I'll just take your word for it??...geessss

you should read more magazines.
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0403_three/index7.html

Broker73
04-06-2005, 04:31 PM
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9269&page_number=1

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=1112&page_number=1


ok, thx for the info, but here are a few articles from two different mags showing low 14's.........

Ike
04-06-2005, 04:48 PM
Broker, there are more owners of 350Zs that have run 13.7s than RX-8 owners that have run 14.8 or below on this forum... One of your links is a freaking roadster and another is the second heaviest model after the roadster that ran slower than the previous time they tested it. I'm not just making this stuff up, why would I? You always call me on this crap and you have yet to not get proven wrong. Would you like me to link you to the articles where the RX-8 runs 15s, does that mean that's all it's capable of?

Broker73
04-06-2005, 05:27 PM
more owners that have run 13.7 than 14.8's for the 8...ok, I guess you know everyone on here that has done those numbers?...don't you think that is a little
Presumptuous??.....come on man. I never disputed some of the facts regarding the differences between the cars, but you speak like you are the "all knowing"..... :confused:

So I guess you have taken a poll with all the 350Z owners, and all the 8 owners who have bothered to take their car to the track and did your own comparison to come up with that accurate comment right. I don't mind chatting about differences of opinion, or being able to admit I was incorrect with a fact, but my god, you do say some off handed remarks that are based on what??....your own statistical data??.......and yes, other than the link I just saw, every other mag I read.....R&T, Car and Driver, a Euro mag etc had the Z in the low 14's for the 1/4.........am I saying it is not possible to run 13.7's?....no....but I am also not saying I know what each car will do based on a few forums?...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=299&page_number=1


another article about the Z......yah there are different models, but all I was saying was that most have the Z in the low14's.

Ike
04-06-2005, 05:35 PM
more owners that have run 13.7 than 14.8's for the 8...ok, I guess you know everyone on here that has done those numbers?...don't you think that is a little
Presumptuous??.....come on man. I never disputed some of the facts regarding the differences between the cars, but you speak like you are the "all knowing"..... :confused:

So I guess you have taken a poll with all the 350Z owners, and all the 8 owners who have bothered to take their car to the track and did your own comparison to come up with that accurate comment right. I don't mind chatting about differences of opinion, or being able to admit I was incorrect with a fact, but my god, you do say some off handed remarks that are based on what??....your own statistical data??.......and yes, other than the link I just saw, every other mag I read.....R&T, Car and Driver, a Euro mag etc had the Z in the low 14's for the 1/4.........am I saying it is not possible to run 13.7's?....no....but I am also not saying I know what each car will do based on a few forums?...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=299&page_number=1


another article about the Z......yah there are different models, but all I was saying was that most have the Z in the low14's.

Huh, a few minutes ago ago it was the lowest I've seen it a 14.4 :rolleyes:

No More Oldsmobiles
04-06-2005, 06:42 PM
Hi Elara,

Good move. Feel free to delete mine if it helps clean things up.

Best,
Bill
Same here, though I see my post is already gone. (If I broke any rules in posting, PM me Elara so I'll know what not to do.)

Ike
04-06-2005, 07:13 PM
Same here, though I see my post is already gone. (If I broke any rules in posting, PM me Elara so I'll know what not to do.)


Stop being yourself and you should be fine ;)

No More Oldsmobiles
04-06-2005, 08:00 PM
And this from our troll-in-chief!

Elara
04-06-2005, 08:15 PM
Same here, though I see my post is already gone. (If I broke any rules in posting, PM me Elara so I'll know what not to do.)

Only person that did anything was the troll who is now banned for good, thanks to Omicron. I was just trying to clean up the thread a little and get it back on track :)

tonylittell
04-07-2005, 08:36 PM
to the guy that put the link to the pdf....that was preproduction estimates....electronicly controlled at 167 and ive personally been 178

Rotary Rasp
04-07-2005, 08:48 PM
to the guy that put the link to the pdf....that was preproduction estimates....electronicly controlled at 167 and ive personally been 178

What?

Thetitanium8
04-07-2005, 09:48 PM
lets see its hands down the best looking car under 30k and the best looking vert under 35k
and if you are going to put comparisons between the z and rx8 you need a head check...there is no comparison...the z is the TOTAL package...
real sports cars only have 2 seats....yea the 8 goes around a track well.....thats because it doesnt have enough power to push it to its limits......but the z does around the track just as well and then pulls even harder on the straights.....

you shouldnt even be comparing the 2 cars....

its like comparing a SL500 to a SLK

the 8 is a beginers car and once you learn to drive you step it up to a z ;)


The whole 2 seater doesn't fly... I can name many cars off top of my head that are 4 seater and are SPORTS CARS.. Trans Am, Mustang , STI, Evo... ect... should I keep going?

Thetitanium8
04-07-2005, 09:56 PM
never once called it the super z....just more for the money than what you get from mazda.....as a matter of fact...NO MANUFACTURER makes a better car for UNDER 30 grand...

Being that the new mustang GT has been rated the best car for under 30k I think your statement is a little inaccurate

cas2themoe
04-07-2005, 10:10 PM
to the guy that put the link to the pdf....that was preproduction estimates....electronicly controlled at 167 and ive personally been 178

Get a life you Troll. Dont you have better things to do? Pre-production? Those are road test numbers ass!

Thetitanium8
04-07-2005, 10:20 PM
to the guy that put the link to the pdf....that was preproduction estimates....electronicly controlled at 167 and ive personally been 178

The first step is to admit you made a mistake. We understand that you regret your purchase of a Z so there is no need for you to come here and try and justify to yourself that you made the right chose.. Now plz leave we would like to have a logical talk.