is the rx-8 becoming a lemon, or otherwise POS?

wit this new overheated(?) thing, and now climate control not working even where it is availible, and everything else that is now seemingly way below what was promised, what is the future of this vehicle? is it already doomed to failure? is it alerady, a "lemon"?
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It runs hot when its 30+ degrees. why is that a problem. So does my current car.

Air con /cc wont cool you down to -5 under any circumstance either.

TBH I could care less about the CC. I want a great sports car, if I want luxyury I'd go buy a lexus.

awwww, did i rain on your parade?

its not for a reaction, its for discussion
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Originally posted by RobDickinson
It runs hot when its 30+ degrees. why is that a problem. So does my current car.

Air con /cc wont cool you down to -5 under any circumstance either.

TBH I could care less about the CC. I want a great sports car, if I want luxyury I'd go buy a lexus.

hehe, well unfortunately it's not a great sports car either as we've been finding out...innovative sports car? yes...awesome performance sports car? no...good enough to get by sports car? ok...

on the other hand, did the high expectations, low delivery upset me to the point that i want to cancel my order? never...i don't want a great sports car, per se...i want a great all around car and this is it...

I'm looking forward to my RX-8 :)

I'm looking forward to my RX-8 :)

Roll your windows, and cruise and here the rotary hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Originally posted by rx-7~rx-8
Roll your windows

...does the RX-8 even come with manual windows??? :confused:

It's so hard posting here! Maybe I'm not expressing myself well but it seems everything I say gets jumped on with exaggeration.

All I've said is "the car is suprisingly hot" and "climate control doesn't work". Overnight the threads become "car liable to meltdown" and "A/C does not function".

I understand you guys are anxious but please try to keep a grip on reality over these last few weeks until yo get your cars!

If you need any more convincing then look at JSuzuki's first drive for how happy it makes people the first time you're in it!

It's so hard posting here! Maybe I'm not expressing myself well but it seems everything I say gets jumped on with exaggeration

everyone is just soooo anxious, that's all. can't say that i blame them for getting nervous. but i understood you JSG! no worries over here.

it reminds me of Xmas, seeing the little kids asking the grownups when they can open the gifts...trying to get some sort of hint on what they are getting.

santino

JSG most toys make people happy when they frist get them but i intend to keep this car for 3-4 years so it has got to give me more than that initial rush of newtoyness. While i try to remain open minded ,there are some concers that get under my skin .Here in australia it can get up to 45 degres celcius ,so i can understand concerns re heating and cooling issues ,its no fun driving specially with passengers in the rear if they arent getting adequate cooling inthe back of the car.This car has not only to please the driver but also the passengers ,climate control not working is not a concern as such ,butwhat others items that are not working correctly are an issue.Theres more to a good motor car than just a great engine and hopefully the rx8 will deliver it for us ,but i for one am not getting carried away with the greater than sliced bread retoric .Youre comments are valued by all and in most cases are not misunderstood .

we haven't heard any truly lemonizing comments yet. it's too early to tell.

it's interesting to observe various folks' reactions to stress. some perform better, some deal, some melt-down. this is stressful. there are some people who will make the extreme emotional switch from being in love with their vehicle decision to hating it and trying to tear it down rather than face up to the anxiety produced by the last couple days of waiting. heaven forbid it might not be perfect. guess what? it won't be, but it's going to be a lot of fun for the majority of us.

Originally posted by P00Man
is the rx-8 becoming a lemon, or otherwise POS?

wit this new overheated(?) thing, and now climate control not working even where it is availible, and everything else that is now seemingly way below what was promised, what is the future of this vehicle? is it already doomed to failure? is it alerady, a "lemon"?

Take a pill and relax! ;)

That's what I'm talking about. As far as I'm concerned, the more heat blowing out of it - the better! That's less that's trapped under the hood and in the housings.

As for people getting disappointed over performance...we'll have the last laugh. Look at past rotaries in stock vs. modified forms. What a great motor!

"Take a pill and relax! "

who says im not relaxed?:D blahahahahhaha

anyway, good point with the blowing of heat out, but is that enough to keep the engine cool enough to prevent problems?

and this thing with the AC is realy bugging me, cause i hate a hassle, and i like to be comfortable
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Sounds like it gets as hot there in Australia as in Tucson. I used to spend summers in Tucson with my grandparents and I know what that intense heat feels like. I'll be anxious to hear from you guys how the car's A/C system does in your climates.

I couldn't wait any longer to get a 3rd car. I bought a used Mini Cooper S a couple weeks ago. Talk about teething problems. Many of us Mini owners have a stumbling problem in 1st gear that was brought on by a recent revision to the ECU software. We're all waiting for BMW to fix it, and threatening to take lemon law action if they don't fix it soon. I still like the car but obviously want it fixed. I still like the RX-8 too though, and told my teenage son that if the Mini doesn't work out we'll trade it for an RX-8.

Originally posted by P00Man
but is that enough to keep the engine cool enough to prevent problems?

A rotary of any generation will MELT a glasspack muffler in 6 city-blocks. High temps are normal for these engines. We're just not used to having functional vents on the bodywork (except for FD owners, of course ;) ).

Originally posted by P00Man
is the rx-8 becoming a lemon, or otherwise POS?

Whoa! A "lemon"?

The definition of a lemon is a car that breaks down repeatedly and cannot be fixed. Has anyone here said their RX-8 has broken down and can't be fixed? How can a car be called a "lemon" if nobody (I'm generalizing to the U.S.) even has one yet?

Are there some legitimate concerns about engine heat and other things? Yes. Do we know that they will be problems? NO!

If you read the initial post carefuly that descibed the climate control as inadequate, you will clearly see what the forum member was expecting. He basically wanted the fanspeed at '1' and no cooled air directed at the occupants. He then went on to compare the climate control system of SL500 Mercedes with no disernable airmovement.

So basically it didnt cool the car with the fan on the lowest setting. Are we all that picky? Dont get me wrong, I'm a sweaty bastard, like freezing cold AC and live in a very humid climate. I frankly like one or two vents directed on me, and I wont at all be upset if my fan speed in half way up. It sounds like it will cool just fine for me. ....just a thought;)

lemon law is a car that spends 30 working days in the first year for warranty repairs or 3 attempts to repair a single failure.i no this first hand cause my current car has been in 72 days and 5 attempts to repair.[dont buy svt focus]mine is in the process of being bought back and im going to take a chance on the 8 [cant get any worse than my current pos]the 8 has a great warranty and being that it is a new car THERE WILL BE SOME SMALL PROBLEMS GUARANTEED.ive never seen a new model anything not have some sort of warranty or service bulletin come out and lets face it we are mazdas official test crew.if you want a flawless machine buy a honda thats been unchanged for a few years.i work for honda marine and there new 225hp v6 outboard with vetc [stright out of accord or acura line]has so many updates/bulletins i had to make its own 3 ring binder. bottom line,if you want no problems what so ever and our going to freak if it farts dont buy a first year car.

good point, but i NEED MY BABY! everyone time i see it, i want it more i think, probably the same for all of us goddamn...

i just donw want a car with any problems, although if you REALLY want a car without any problems, you get the cheapest thing you can find, new, with manual everything and as close to 0 electronics as possible IE my moms kia sephia, wnet 210k miles and she DID NOT take care of it at all. didnt go to any of the "check-ups" hadrly ever chagned the oil lol. me and my brotehrs BEAT THE CRAP out of the thing lol.
so she baught a new one for 6 grand lol

handles surprisingly well too, i take its due to the fact that the thing barely has shocks lol!:D
great vehicle though, as a pure mode of transportation, with no bells or whistles of any nature
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bottom line,if you want no problems what so ever and our going to freak if it farts dont buy a first year car.

exactly. same thing with the 7...3 TSBs for the 93s.

santino

im a professional tech for honda and a few other manufactures,im not trying to scare anyone that the car will be plagued with problems.im pretty sure that mazda has done there homework and took there time to release this car due to the failure of the 7.i will deal with small things that will be excpected from a first year car and thats why im going to give it a shot.what the hell,i live in ak and 75f is hot here and norm summer temps is mid 60f.car should scoot with that cool fresh air and sealevel,ohh yeha. :D

well lets ask the people in Japan. how many times have you people who have the rx8 already had to go to service dept. already and why?? have you guys had any real problems yet that you had to take the car to service? and if so how long was it there for and why? also anybody who has one already wish they did not have it??

Not had any faults since getting it on May 9. Not heard of any others - East Moon and Yuhki are fine.

I don't wish I didn't have it. Does that make sense? I mean, I still like & want it!

There - does this mean I can start the worries in one thread and close them in another?!

from what i've read/heard climate control doesn't work very well in a lot of cars. including the g35. go read about it on freshalloy. and as far as engine heat, isn't that attributable to the very high engine speeds of the rx8.

Originally posted by BRx8
hehe, well unfortunately it's not a great sports car either as we've been finding out...innovative sports car? yes...awesome performance sports car? no...good enough to get by sports car? ok...

Well maybee for you Yanks its only 'OK' but theres not a lot of 4 seater fast cars in its price range in the UK.

We have tons of 2 seaters (like you wouldnt believe, 0-60 in under 3 seconds for £35000 types), but for 4 seater custom sports car there isnt anything.

Theres :
330 BMW - tons more cash
Volvo c70 - £5-7k more
Scooby Sti - similar price but to boy racer + 4WD econo box.
etc etc.

Closest is prolly the 192 Toyota celica or something, but thats 2 door and FWD and slower...

And no, we dont get the G35 at all.

We'll find out if it's a lemon soon enough!!

Looking forward to you guys across the pond getting your cars and posting loads of comment/pics to keep us Brits going until we get ours LATE SEPTEMBER!!!

Cheers
Oilman

Originally posted by B-Nez


A rotary of any generation will MELT a glasspack muffler in 6 city-blocks. High temps are normal for these engines. We're just not used to having functional vents on the bodywork (except for FD owners, of course ;) ).

Well, Mazda continues to say that the Renesis runs too cool for turbos...

JSG - what do you mean by the climate control doesn't work? I'm assuming if it is a technical "CC" that you set a temp and then the car's computer tries to hit that temp regardless of how much higher or lower it is to the current inside temp. Personally, I do fairly well with blue and red and a 4speed fan. I don't use the a/c much in my Miata as if it's warm enough I will usually have the top off, though if it gets really hot I'll throw some cool air in my face. If it's very cool, I'll throw some hot air at my body and feet. The Subaru I drive has no A/C at the present time and as it's mostly for rainy days and winter and the $ to charge freon is so high now it may never have A/C again. So if the 8 has A/C and the 4speed fan control, I'll be fine.
I believe the heat issue will be a non-issue for those of us who have owned RX-7s. The rotaries always run hotter than pistons. They used to say in the owners manual to be sure to NOT park over dry grass as it could very well catch it on fire. I know I read that somewhere. But the 7s had the cat converter very low. And at least one of mine got pretty warm around the tranny tunnel - not to make it uncomfortable inside but you could notice it.
There are a few things about rotaries that need to be paid attention to - one that has been mentioned is to not start it cold, move it 10 feet, then immediately shut it off. That is one of the worst things you can do. Another is to pay attention to the oil change schedule - the one for you all in Japan seems to be very short. And the cooling system must always be kept in top shape.
Last - in the FWIW dept., the 81-91 RX-7s were one of the most reliable cars sold in the US, except in clutch wear - but I think that was due to drivers more than quality of the clutch. I expect similar from this car - especially given that the RX-7 continued in production until August of 2002.

I do not have any problems with my car so far.

But I've heard of one problem in the very first lot.
Over 5000rpm, the oil warning lamp lit.
But seems this problem was already fixed.
And I have no troubles over 5000rpm.

Anyway, when you guys recevie your 8, all the problems must be fixed.
But I want more trouble. I am sure that will make my car more attractive to me.

Originally posted by daedelgt


Well, Mazda continues to say that the Renesis runs too cool for turbos...
Can you give me the exact quote on that, please, and source? All I saw was that they said the exhaust pulses were not very strong (unlike the 13BT) for driving a turbo. Maybe someone could also enlighten me as to why exhaust TEMP would affect turbo use. I would tend to think a cooler temp would be a good thing.

It was so long ago ;) I think it had something to do with the catylitic converter operation though. The turbos robbing too much of the heat in the exhaust gasses to fully heat up the catylitic converter or some such phenomenon.

Originally posted by B-Nez

Can you give me the exact quote on that, please, and source? All I saw was that they said the exhaust pulses were not very strong (unlike the 13BT) for driving a turbo. Maybe someone could also enlighten me as to why exhaust TEMP would affect turbo use. I would tend to think a cooler temp would be a good thing.
Not to derail the thread (well...maybe to derail this lemon talk :D), but it's the exhaust temp heating up the cats to operating temp that is the problem. The exhaust is already pretty cool, and adding a turbo will put more between the exhaust and the cat, the exhaust will cool even more by the time it gets there, and then the cat won't get hot enough to do its job, therefore the car won't meet emissions requirements.

Can you give me the exact quote on that, please, and source? All I saw was that they said the exhaust pulses were not very strong (unlike the 13BT) for driving a turbo.

I think that was from the preliminary Road & Track article last August and we already determined that the writer was ignorant of rotary operation.

I'm starting to think it is a poorly engineered vehicle.

My Cat. Converter is defective at 5000miles. The M flash didn't help and only caused higher RPM problems, the oil pan needed to be replaced, etc.

I mean come on. I paid alot of money for a car that has KIA SEPHIA type problems. This is really getting on my nerves.

Lemon.........who knows......the way mine is looking, absolutely.
Others may not have any trouble.

Doesn't this set off an alarm for anyone? The recalls, the bulletins for major issues like air bags, oil pans, converters. I know this is it's first year (and we should expect some mishaps) but this is ridiculous.

I should of known when Ford bought Mazda it would be like this (made in Japan or not). I'm upset with my car right now so I'm taking it out on Ford:

F.unctional O.perations R.endered D.efective

Originally posted by P00Man
is the rx-8 becoming a lemon, or otherwise POS?

wit this new overheated(?) thing, and now climate control not working even where it is availible, and everything else that is now seemingly way below what was promised, what is the future of this vehicle? is it already doomed to failure? is it alerady, a "lemon"?

Only the yellow one is lemon!

I've had mine almost a year with ZERO problems. It's a great car. Boards like this will always attract people that have problems, as it gives a good place to vent and compare issues.

Buy it, you'll like it.

If your gonna complain bout the car dont get it, everyone knows its not the fastest thing out there but thats what happens when a first year of a car comes out everyone is all hyped up and then they see its not what they expect but mazda made the car for what its made for. In my opinion it is not the fastest on a straight away torwards sti's, evo's, g35 coupe's but it does out handles them on tracks people please read and learn your cars. Rx8 is a great car and you guyz are complaining about the heat what car isnt like that I been in alot of cars and not all of them have perfect everything that must be in your guyz's lala land where everything is El perfecto. Well I love the car for what it is, it might not be the fastest or whatever you want it to be but I got the car for its rotary love.

A year old thread brought back to life :)

Oh, btw, my car is great, and worth every nickel I paid.

I was actually shocked to read the stuff at the beginning of the post! I love this car. It's got everything I wanted. 8700 miles, zero problems. Definitely worth every penny I paid.

Rene needs to post in actual current threads me thinks.

Dude, if your not happy with YOUR car, there's steps you can take to resolve it. Calling the car a lemon in general shows one thing. A very big lack of thought.

I've only got 2000kms on the odometer, but I can categorically say that having researched the car at length prior to purchase. I was actually expecting worse. I had expected to have flooded it at least once, the a/c to blow hot air, airbag to go off, added at least a quart of oil, etc....
I'm glad I decided to ignore the bad press on this and other forums and go for the 8. So far, I haven't been back to the dealer, despite driving short distances a few times, never flooded the engine, haven't added a drop of oil yet, using 87 octane, run the a/c on a few 30 degree (Celsius) days, using it as a daily commuter car.
The only problem I've had is a small buzzing noise from the driverside door speaker when I crank up the bass. Granted the car is still new, but if the first 2000kms is an indication of the next 98000kms, then I guess I'm a happy camper.

I wouldnt blame any of it on ford. I have yet to see ford engineering in the 8. If it was up to ford there would be no rotary.

Originally posted by fordracing19
If it was up to ford there would be no rotary.

Could you elaborate? Why? Appreciate your response FR.

Atleast they posted on consecutive days.. albeit a year later.