Ok-as much as I love GT4, I have no PS2. But I DO have an Xbox and I am anxiously awaiting the release of Forza Motorsport. It was supposed to be released in February but got pushed to May. It is supposed to compete or beat GT4. They have been working on it for two years. Anyone else here waiting for it as well?

I'm definitely looking forward to it, but after so many "GT killers" that went down in flames, I'm trying to take all the hype with a grain of salt.

What the heck dudet.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=54771&highlight=Forza+Motorsport

This game looks great, I found a review that compared Forza and GT4 and Forza is holding up pretty good against it, GT4 still rocks in the graphics department though (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/588/588231p1.html?fromint=1). I found a list of the cars that are going to be available but here is the Mazda list:

1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
2000 Mazda Miata MX-5 1.8i Sport
2004 Mazda RX-8
2003 Mazda Protégé MAZDASPEED
2004 Mazda 3 Sport
1995 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
2000 Mazda MX-5 MAZDASPEED
2004 Mazda RX-8 MAZDASPEED
2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R
1995 Mazda AB FlugRX-7
1995 Mazda INGS RX-7

I've always considered buying a PS2 for GT4, looks like now I don't have to. I've attached an image I found from the game with our beloved car in it.

I have a PS2 and XBOX. Ive already bought GT4 and it is insanely good, just wish the handling department was like GT3.

As far as Forza Motorsport goes, I already have it reserved. Ill give you a Comparison of my own when it comes out ;)

What the heck dudet.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=54771&highlight=Forza+Motorsport

Dudet? :eek:


I'm not sure what happened, but I posted that and it never showed up on the forums after posting it. So I made another one....

I still cant figure it out.

I'm interested in Forza. I actually just don't want to buy the PS2 for GT4 when they might be releasing the PS3 (or whatever they are going to call it) within the next 1 1/2 years or so. I already have an Xbox so Forza is a less expensive option and the little I've heard of it says it might be pretty good.

^^ that's my thinking exactly. Plus it has ferrari and porsche.

Oh.... I completely forgot about Ferarri *cargasm*

GT4 has Porsche's but they are under then name of RUF, I think it is some Porsche Tuner Company. Im not to sure about it but its a educated guess ;)

Till then I will stick to my RX8's in GT4 ;)

Im looking forward to it as well. Its going to be awesome.

Yeah as long as they truly release it this time when they say they will. I am glad however that they are putting off the release to work out any bugs.

No Lamborghini's, that's pretty sad, I was interested to see what it was like to drive both the Gallardo and Murcialago (sp?), too bad.

Popular Science has a big right up comparing Reality to Virtual with this game, they have some pretty cool shots comparing the two. Interesting read, you'll see a Porsche Carrera GT on the front cover that is half real and half virtual.

Wha...? No pics? :D

Sorry, didn't buy the magazine, also I don't have a scanner. Here 's a link to some of what was covered.

http://www.webquad.com/forza/content/view/141

You can even download a video sample that shows real footage and the game running on the same part of a track at the same time.

BUMP

Picked my copy up yesterday. I haven't played too much, just the arcade mode with some of the faster cars. I am really enjoying it so far though.

It's pretty good. Just like I thought, it's no GT killer, but it's still a very good game. There's something that's just not quite right about the physics though. Technically, everything behaves the way it should, but I can never predict exactly how the car's going to react to my inputs. This results in making the game feel like I'm never quite in control of the cars, which is a bit disappointing, but despite my whining, it's still the best racing game on the Xbox.

Anyway, who wants to play online? :D

I need to sign up for Xbox Live. The game should be fun online. I have turned all driver aides off, it's out of freaking control. It's especially hard to tell when the tires are about to lock under braking.

I just won a mazdaspeed 8. It was blue, now it's white!!

I need to sign up for Xbox Live. The game should be fun online. I have turned all driver aides off, it's out of freaking control. It's especially hard to tell when the tires are about to lock under braking.

I was doing that too, but I got tired of locking up at every corner, so I just turned ABS back on. I'm starting to hate that driving line thing because it makes me slow on the courses I know, but I'm a bit afraid to try to run without it because I'm finding the new courses hard enough as it is. I'm hoping to have Live set up by tomorrow, but I need to find a few bucks so I can but a new ethernet cable and the headset (I know it's not necessary, but I'd like it).

Popular Science has a big right up comparing Reality to Virtual with this game, they have some pretty cool shots comparing the two. Interesting read, you'll see a Porsche Carrera GT on the front cover that is half real and half virtual.

Yeah that would've been a good article if it didn't read like a commercial for Forza.

"Forza's main competitor, Gran Turismo 4, can't match its power - GT4's physics engine recalculates 60 times a second, Forza's runs four times as fast at 240."

What a crock of shit... trying to make it look like Forza is 4X as good as GT4, when in reality, that difference will be completely 100% imperceptible.

Just got i, I think it's awesome. I have never been good at realistic racing games, but the little green arrows even though a cheap addition for the hard core gamers sure help the likes of my sorry ass. I hope they don't dissapear after a certain level :D

Photic, I think you control them via the options menu. Take a look in there because the more you turn off the more credits ($$) you get to buy newer cooler stuff! Anyone else buy an RX8 yet? If you want to play online add me to your friends list: BRIDGEOUT

I started off with a civic, spent my left overs on exhaust and ingition, then I won, and kept buying upgrades, sold the first car I won, got the civic to 601hp and won all other races, sold another car, bought an rx8, won more races, sold 2 more cars, got the engine upgrade and turbo and such for the rx8 and won 2 races with it. I love those arrows.

I started out in Europe so I had to use a TT....BLAH. The first car I won was an NSX IIRC, so I just jumped in that and never looked back. Haven't sold anything yet, don't plan on it. I always kick myself later on when I am trying to get all the cars. Right now I am using an EVO tuned to the titties, its freaking retarded. I dialed out the understeer and it's awesome, fastest car I have driven so far in career mode.

My new favourite ride in the game:
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49222&stc=1
So much fun to drive!!

maybe it's my crappy driving or something but does it seem like the rx8 has a serious case of oversteer? I was driving the talon as my first car and didn't have that problem.

maybe it's my crappy driving or something but does it seem like the rx8 has a serious case of oversteer? I was driving the talon as my first car and didn't have that problem.

All rear wheel drive cars have a nasty case of the oversteers in this game. The only one I've driven that seems relatively tame is the Audi R8, but that thing's downforced all to hell. I really don't think people would race RWD vehicles nearly as much if they handled the way they do in this game.

I was thinking all the cars were oversteering bad. But, then I realized I was carrying over bad habits from other games, and causing the cars to oversteer. The man culprits being trail braking, riding the curbs and riding the throttle. I have gotten into the habit of early and hard braking and the oversteer seems to have gone away.

We are definitely going to have to have an online 8 race at laguna!!

Is it a buy or rent?? Coming from PS2 and GT3(gave my PS2 to a relative before the new GT came out) is Forza going to fulfill everyone's racing game addiction?

I'd say it's a buy! I haven't played GT4 too much, but this seems just as good, and there is online play which I am looking forward too. I love racing games though, so I buy them all.

If you are a sofa & controller driver then Forza would feel almost alike to GT4.

But there is something else that makes GT4 more a "simulator" than Forza will be.
The Force Feedback Wheel. That thing will make all the difference in GT4 trust me.
GT4 modeled and simulate the effects of all 4 wheels in the pavement, your car doesnt feel like its floating. And to truly experience that you need the wheel.
This thing, is 2.5 turns lock to lock, that is the radius of most real car wheels, not like those 180 degree turn toy playstation wheels.

Those who have the wheels can tell you the experience of driving 300mph down a straight... its not pretty, and its not easy for that matter... then you will experience and appreciate front downforce. When was the last time a game let you feel the effect of front downforce.
You can feel the wheel hitting a curb through the wheel shudder, just like the feeling you get driving a real car.
You can feel an understeer from the way the wheel just fighting your hand, you can feel an oversteer coming from just the wheel resistance, and "feel" the spin when the wheel just "let go"...
Its just never the same trust me, the analog control of the wheel lets you "feather" an oversteering car just like in real life, that is something you can never do with a joystick.
You can feel the difference between an FF car, an MR, FR, or even the 911s notorious RR Ass.
The way the shifter shudder and the accurately synced click from the game make you think that that piece of plastic is attached to a real metal gearbox somewhere.
There are many more nuances you can feel with the wheel that makes you go "wow" really.
And its these little things that truly makes GT4 shines.
If you ask me what GT4 is missing, I can tell you its Inertia... that is almost impossible to simulate, short of putting you in a movable platform, what you dont feel is the torque mashing your body on your seat or throwing you all around the cockpit in a turn...
But other than that, it lets you experience everything else! Cant ask for more.

50 bux for the game
150 for the PS2
550 for the cockpit (only in Japan unfortunately, and its discontinued but you can buy the wheel 150, buy a cheap racing seat 100-200, and make the shell about 100, and get yourself a cheap cockpit, or even use your existing table).

That is a very small price to pay for the closest experience you will ever get to test driving 1000s of cars.

So forget your arcade cabinet gadget, try this wheel and GT4, and tell me if Forza or any other game in the market today can do better...

do you people race in manual or auto mode?

So forget your arcade cabinet gadget, try this wheel and GT4, and tell me if Forza or any other game in the market today can do better...
http://www.gtr-game.com/lang.html
No comparison. Hands down the most realistic driving game out there. If I were to spend 400 dollars on a racing simulator, it sure as hell wouldn't be a console game on a system about to be phased out, it would be this. No, it doesn't have 600 cars, but I don't really care to drive 8 different honda civics or the first steam powerd car.

I haven't used a wheel for forza, assuming there is a decent wheel, how do you know that they didn't model the physics similar to gt4.

do you people race in manual or auto mode?
Manual. It doesn't take much to get comfortable with it. It is just a bitch when you're in a car where the gears whine really loudly, hard to hear the engine.

yeah, i'm trying to learn the manual because i want the best experience as possible, but it is hard and takes a lot of patience.

can you get that fiat GT game in any gaming store?

Hey guys, I finally got Live. Send a friend request to Rhawb and I'll give you an add. I already sent my own out to Bridgeout and FrankCastle, so if you guys read this, go check your accounts. Also, has anyone started up the RX8Club...er, club?

If you are a sofa & controller driver then Forza would feel almost alike to GT4.

But there is something else that makes GT4 more a "simulator" than Forza will be.
The Force Feedback Wheel. That thing will make all the difference in GT4 trust me.
GT4 modeled and simulate the effects of all 4 wheels in the pavement, your car doesnt feel like its floating. And to truly experience that you need the wheel.
This thing, is 2.5 turns lock to lock, that is the radius of most real car wheels, not like those 180 degree turn toy playstation wheels.
...Yes, the DF Pro wheel takes GT4 to a whole new level, it's worth every penny (except for the cheap pedals). On the other hand, there's a new Speedster 3 Force Feedback steering wheel that was just released for the Xbox and was designed for Forza.

The Speedster 3 is a high quality wheel with force feedback simulated via it's motors. The Xbox doesn't support true force feedback, so this wheel is probably as good as it gets for the Xbox. It doesn't match the DF Pro, but it's very similar in feel to the old DF wheel that came out at the time of GT3. But relative to the other wheels out for the Xbox, this wheel is the best of the bunch - IMHO.

I love racing games, the only kind of video game that I play, and for me the steering wheel is a must. (I only drive in MT mode too.) The day after I got Forza, I knew this game cried out for a steering wheel, so I just picked up the Speedster 3 wheel.

Yes, the DF Pro wheel takes GT4 to a whole new level, it's worth every penny (except for the cheap pedals). On the other hand, there's a new Speedster 3 Force Feedback steering wheel that was just released for the Xbox and was designed for Forza.

The Speedster 3 is a high quality wheel with force feedback simulated via it's motors. The Xbox doesn't support true force feedback, so this wheel is probably as good as it gets for the Xbox. It doesn't match the DF Pro, but it's very similar in feel to the old DF wheel that came out at the time of GT3. But relative to the other wheels out for the Xbox, this wheel is the best of the bunch - IMHO.

I love racing games, the only kind of video game that I play, and for me the steering wheel is a must. (I only drive in MT mode too.) The day after I got Forza, I knew this game cried out for a steering wheel, so I just picked up the Speedster 3 wheel.


Where and how much for the wheel? I just bought the game and I believe its every bit as good at least better then GT3 but i haven't got to play GT4. Replay value and the diferent things you can do could make this game last a long time.

Unfortunately, the Speedster 3 wheel is quite pricey at $149. Hard to say if it's worth it over the other Xbox wheels that cost much less. But compared to the DF Pro, which sells for about the same, the wheel is overpriced IMO. Prices will probably go down once the initial Forza wave is over.

It's nice to know that there is a decent wheel available. I have a gift certificate to an electronics store, so this might be a good way to use it.

The reviews I just read on this wheel hold it in very high regard but like you suggested, I think I will wait a while before i pay almost as much for a wheel then the entire system cost me.

I haven't used a wheel for forza, assuming there is a decent wheel, how do you know that they didn't model the physics similar to gt4.

Forza does not use genuine force feedback for the wheel, because it uses controller ports instead of USB.

Gran Turismo can tell the wheel to give you a hard time turning due to understeer, or to rumble over a bump, or to pull left because your left tires are bald.

Forza cannot do any of this (well, except the rumble over a bump). It fakes force feedback through the XBox controller rumbling signal.

Actually Xbox just got a new wheel available. I havent tried it myself, but from what I hear its quite good: http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1137/Review-Fanatec-Speedster-3-ForceShock/p1/

I've been playing GT4 for a few weeks now and I just got Forza today. Freggin far better than GT4 on almost every front. All the major reviewers also have the same opinion.

And I love how the RX8 handles in the game.

I noticed (with the directional indicator on) that I didnt have to break at all or as much if I saw that the indicator went from green -> orange -> green in a long turn, unlike many of the other cars in its class.

Back to Forza :)

Forza does not use genuine force feedback for the wheel, because it uses controller ports instead of USB.

Gran Turismo can tell the wheel to give you a hard time turning due to understeer, or to rumble over a bump, or to pull left because your left tires are bald.

Forza cannot do any of this (well, except the rumble over a bump). It fakes force feedback through the XBox controller rumbling signal.


Yeap forgot to mention that... the individual tyre modelling is so accurate you can feel the balding tires, try driving the oval and feel the wheel get lighter and lighter on 1 side.

Also try driving the old muscle cars, the ones without power steering... try that on a long race, after 10 laps your hand would be sore after the workout, the motors are strong... I also love the way the wheel "throbs" in sync with the engine vibration in those muscle cars.

A few more reasons why GT4 is called a "simulation" while Forza is just a game.

For those of you who thinks the wheel is expensive... cmon now, we spend 1000s of bucks on a few pieces of FRP spoilers for our RX8... now that when I think of it, that is such a friggin waste of money! ;)

Just put down some pretty decent laps on Nurburgring (not perfect, but not too shabby) if anyone's interested in trying to beat them. First was in a stock Enzo with STM off. Not sure what I ran, but it put me in 60th place (you can find it if you have Live). Next was with a stock RX8 with TCS and STM off, ran a 10:31:967, which got me 110th place I think. If you've got Live, add me to your friends (Rhawb) and you should be able to view all my best laps in Free Run mode.

damn you Americans!!!

Its not out in the UK yet...

Im almost crying....

Im gonna have to buy a wheel too.

just bought it yesterday...this game is sick!

GT4 is great.