tell us wat u guys think of the following car companies

ford,gm,mazda,toyota,nissan,honda,kia,hyndai, and bmw

Ford- ford cars kinda suck, but they make good SUV's, the focus had so many recalls but it sells really good, and the svt mustang is awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GM- pontiac and checy interior is so horrible, the freekin buttons are huge, the dash is ugly ass funk, the sunfire is horrible, the new cavelier still has the same cheap interior, and the corvette s getting old but its still phat

Mazda- mazda is getting better, the recall will hurt, but the sales of the RX8 will boost mazda up, tribute needs a rededign,millenia redesign, mazda mvp better interior, and a new RX7 will make mazda the best

Toyota- toyota sells the most cars but their boring,the celica is ok, and i onle seen like 2 MRs here in miami, camry is big and boring, the sequoia is good, highleander is boring, and the new sienna is a insult

Nissan- they make good cars but the interior is hidious, the new maxima is ok but the interior is awful, i dont think nissan cares wat other people think, their in another world,the new pathfinder armada is ok but strange, and the 350z is another sports car and nissan makes too many comercials

Honda- honda is great, good cars, needs a new van, another SUV, and the s2000 needs a redesign, civic has been killed by ricers, and the new accord os nice

kia and hyndai are pieces of shit, theyr are cheap and ugly, hyndai tries to make their cars looks like bentleys,lexus and mercedez the santa fe is ugly, and the kis sorento is crap, they both are so cheap they cant afford to make good comercials

BMW - my favorite car company makes good as cars , but they are too expensive, the M3 is nice and the Z4 is awsome, overall the best car company is BMW

With all the business trips I've done around the US. I would need a car coming out of the airport. Unfortunately I don't much of a choice when it comes to cars as a rental. Because the company I work for is damn cheap.

Anyways the cavalier sucks big time. It is even more of a POS then a civic and has less room. The xterra are ok, but nothing special.

The protege5, not really fast but unusually good handling and for some reason was really really fun to drive. That was the first and the last time I've tasted mazda engineering. Even though the steering wheel was unusually stiff but I couldn't help but to take curves and corners at high speeds. Even though I'm not going to get any Mazda cars anytime soon now I know how much more fun it will be to drive either a miata or the 8.


Generally I don't care for Toyotas anymore ever since they stopped making supras.

I know Nissan has improved their engines when it comes to reliability compared say 17 years ago. I remember my mother had a 1985 nissan sentra. Now that car was a POS. It would just boggle down every other day. My mother and I would constantly be stranded on the road. And so ever since then I hated nissian. And I don't know anyone that has a nissan. So until I make a new friend who has a late 90's model nissan and its still going strong, my views of the nissan will be negative.

I"m just bored with the hondas nowadays. Except for the S2000

As for BMW, as to my opinion, is not worth the money. Too much to mantain. Why spend all that money to keep it clean, when you can use the money to buy a new home entertainment center.:D

hello people post

Originally posted by mental pimp
Honda- honda is great, good cars, needs a new van, another SUV, and the s2000 needs a redesign, civic has been killed by ricers, and the new accord os nice

...it's funny you say that about the Civic... Honda seems to be bluntly embracing the rice (anyone seen the "civic nation: REPRESENT" commercial??)... yes my friends, that was the day i lost all respect for that auto maker.

...Honda of North America is just wrong.

So until I make a new friend who has a late 90's model nissan and its still going strong, my views of the nissan will be negative.


My 95 maxima w/104k is still going strong with not even that many minor maintenence-type issues over time. Reliability has been a high point for quite some time with the maximas, even back to the 2nd gens (engine-wise at least). The VQ is quite a noteworthy V6 and receives much acclaim. The 4-cyl offerings don't have the same high reliability reputation, but I can't say a whole lot in detail about this. But just recently, did some reading on the 02 Spec V Sentras and found a wide number of quality control-type issues, etc...

Originally posted by wakeech


...it's funny you say that about the Civic... Honda seems to be bluntly embracing the rice (anyone seen the "civic nation: REPRESENT" commercial??)... yes my friends, that was the day i lost all respect for that auto maker.
While I'll agree with the rice, why would Honda ignore such a huge market? They have a car that appeals to a broad spectrum of buyers, depending on the version. From the mom and dad 4 door to the "done up" :p two door coupe.. It might now make us want to buy one but what about all the "ricers".. They're eating it up.. :)

ricers are worse here in miami, i dont think they notice how ugly and stupid their cars look, i mean they put big exhaust in piece of shit cars, these idiots would put like 2-4 subwoofers and u see the freking back bumper shaking, stupid show offs, how are the ricers over there guys?

If you mean Canada we definitely have our share.. :mad: But it transends makes.. from Honda to Chevy to Ford.. oh the stories.. :(

I think most car companies are realizing that there is a huge market for ricers that they are missing out on which is why you're now going to see a juiced up Saturn coming out and why there's also the SVT Focus, SRT4 Neon and the GTR Sentra (or whatever the sporty model is called).

Lexus - number one in reliability

I wonder why they seperate Toyota and Lexus, same brand, no difference!!!

wow im quite surprise VW is that far down

Originally posted by Digisan
I wonder why they seperate Toyota and Lexus, same brand, no difference!!! As a multiple Lexus owner I would say there is a HUGE difference - much more than between Audi/VW (had an Audi, driven many A4/A6 and VWs), Acura/Honda (had both of these) and Infiniti/Nissan. Totally different exterior design (except LX470/Landcruiser), interior look and feel, safety, content etc, not to mention service, warranty, reliability (see chart above - Lexii are almost twice as reliable as Toyotas) and satisfaction.

Originally posted by dying_here
wow im quite surprise VW is that far down

I am surprised they made it that high.

Originally posted by pelucidor
As a multiple Lexus owner I would say there is a HUGE difference -


...aren't they made by the same people in the same factories?? i mean, i can appreciate that Toyota's upmarket brand can inherently be more reliable, considering the kind of car that they build (no expense spared: big, comfy, reliable, super nice daily-drivers)... the service too, of course there's an entirely separate support network for a subsidiary, but not having experienced it, i can only say i don't know... damned nice cars though: they'd be my first choice over any other luxo brand.

cadillac is #2????? you've got to be kidding.

cadillac is #2????? you've got to be kidding


No doubt. Cadillac, Buick, and Mercury above Toyota and Honda in terms of reliability? So that really was a wormhole to a parallel universe I stepped into this morning.

of course "initial quality" is different than reliability, but I'm still not buying it. Just because they have a bar graph and some numbers doesn't mean their results are worth anything meaningful.

oh i thought this was a dealer claims survey not an initial quality test. Hell i thought the quality of my protege was amazing when i first got it.

all 4 door car are similar... they dont have unique performance and good styling. rx-8 is the break thorugh vehicle ... mazda is at its best right now. there the only ones that made a 4 door car that looks different and its meant for everything. performance ... practical... fast.. rommy .... ..

GM... Saturn... dont even go there they the most weakest 4 cylinders ... so they pop in a 6 or 8 ...

honda ... make the best vehicles ... for gas mileage ... but no rwd cars besides s2k ...

suv's all the same besides x5 ... fx ... are the only unique ones out ... and volvo xc... for its safety

Originally posted by pelucidor
As a multiple Lexus owner I would say there is a HUGE difference - much more than between Audi/VW (had an Audi, driven many A4/A6 and VWs), Acura/Honda (had both of these) and Infiniti/Nissan. Totally different exterior design (except LX470/Landcruiser), interior look and feel, safety, content etc, not to mention service, warranty, reliability (see chart above - Lexii are almost twice as reliable as Toyotas) and satisfaction.

It's the same brand, you just paid more!!! Only in America can those companies get away with that. None of those "alternate" marques exist in Japan!!! That chart doesn't prove anything, Toyotas have been the best marque as far as reliability for a long time. Ask any Japanese mechanic. If you want to seperate it by different cars, that would make sense, otherwise it should be grouped appropriately.

LOL

Originally posted by Digisan


It's the same brand, you just paid more!!! Only in America can those companies get away with that. None of those "alternate" marques exist in Japan!!! That chart doesn't prove anything, Toyotas have been the best marque as far as reliability for a long time. Ask any Japanese mechanic. If you want to seperate it by different cars, that would make sense, otherwise it should be grouped appropriately.

LOL

Exactly. I agree with everything "DigiSan" and "blizz81" have said.

Here's my thoughts. The JD study is for customer's response to "initial quality", not long term reliability. How many of these "upscale buyers" take the time and report problems with their high priced vehicle (insert lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, Porsche)? IMO, not many. A small percentage. Most would not be caught dead telling others, let alone an outside data gathering agency, they have problems, and the car they are buying, at that "upscale" price, is not all what it's cracked up to be. Also, most of these upscale models come with a "luxury" interior, ie. leather. Right off the bat, if I was a buyer of those vehicles, my initial quality perception will be better than those that may own a cloth seated Suzuki, or Jeep.

That's why I think the JD study is very slanted. I think most of these buyers, although they may exerperience problems, would just rather just say, "What a wonderful car I bought - I'm totally happy with it, my dealer, my service dept, yada, yada, etc. All they care about is prestige. And how many would say the car has quality problems when all they remember is how much they loved being pampered in the Lexus, BMW, etc. service department? Don't get me wrong, I think some one these companies go the extra mile to pamper their customer. I think this is all that matters to a LOT of these upscale buyers.

For long term reliability, I trust Consumer Reports more, although it too can be somewhat subjective. Unless you get HONEST reports (no lying) from EVERY single buyer of EVERY single car purchased, it can never be totally accurate. You have to gather your data from a lot of different sources, and make your rational buying decision based on that.

With that said, I agree with "DigiSan". I think Toyota makes damn good reliable vehicles, and has been doing it for a long time.

Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster


Exactly. I agree with everything "DigiSan" and "blizz81" have said.

Here's my thoughts. The JD study is for customer's response to "initial quality", not long term reliability. How many of these "upscale buyers" take the time and report problems with their high priced vehicle (insert lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, Porsche)? IMO, not many. A small percentage. Most would not be caught dead telling others, let alone an outside data gathering agency, they have problems, and the car they are buying, at that "upscale" price, is not all what it's cracked up to be. Also, most of these upscale models come with a "luxury" interior, ie. leather. Right off the bat, if I was a buyer of those vehicles, my initial quality perception will be better than those that may own a cloth seated Suzuki, or Jeep.

That's why I think the JD study is very slanted. I think most of these buyers, although they may exerperience problems, would just rather just say, "What a wonderful car I bought - I'm totally happy with it, my dealer, my service dept, yada, yada, etc. All they care about is prestige. And how many would say the car has quality problems when all they remember is how much they loved being pampered in the Lexus, BMW, etc. service department? Don't get me wrong, I think some one these companies go the extra mile to pamper their customer. I think this is all that matters to a LOT of these upscale buyers.



and this is the main problem with any survey. None can ever be taken very seriously since the only people who generally reply are those that have very passionate (either positive or negative) about their cars (and their problems)

Originally posted by Digisan
It's the same brand, you just paid more!!! Only in America can those companies get away with that. None of those "alternate" marques exist in Japan!!! That chart doesn't prove anything, Toyotas have been the best marque as far as reliability for a long time. Ask any Japanese mechanic. If you want to seperate it by different cars, that would make sense, otherwise it should be grouped appropriately.

LOL Lexus is being released next year as a separate marque in Japan, it already exists in Europe. Those Lexus models that exist as Toyotas in the USA cost about the same price when similarly equipped (if they can be similarly equipped - Lexii have more powerful engines, better quality interiors, vastly better NVH (insulation and sound deadening) etc) and the best service record in the industry.

One obvious example is the Toyota Landcruiser and the Lexus LX470 - both of which I test driven. The loaded Landcruiser costs $59k vs $65k for the LX470. But the extra $6k for the LX470 gives you air suspension (not cheap!), HIDs, 6CD Mark Levinson stereo, memory seats, better leather, power tilt/telescopic steering wheel, birds-eye maple interior trim, rain sensing wipers, much quieter and smoother ride and a much better warranty and service experience. Well worth the extra $6k in my opinion (just the ML sound system is worth $3k).

Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster

Here's my thoughts. The JD study is for customer's response to "initial quality", not long term reliability. How many of these "upscale buyers" take the time and report problems with their high priced vehicle (insert lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, Porsche)? IMO, not many. A small percentage. Most would not be caught dead telling others, let alone an outside data gathering agency, they have problems, and the car they are buying, at that "upscale" price, is not all what it's cracked up to be. Also, most of these upscale models come with a "luxury" interior, ie. leather. Right off the bat, if I was a buyer of those vehicles, my initial quality perception will be better than those that may own a cloth seated Suzuki, or Jeep.

That's why I think the JD study is very slanted. I think most of these buyers, although they may exerperience problems, would just rather just say, "What a wonderful car I bought - I'm totally happy with it, my dealer, my service dept, yada, yada, etc. All they care about is prestige. And how many would say the car has quality problems when all they remember is how much they loved being pampered in the Lexus, BMW, etc. service department? Don't get me wrong, I think some one these companies go the extra mile to pamper their customer. I think this is all that matters to a LOT of these upscale buyers.
I notice you carefully fail to mention Audi and Mercedes (which blow your theory apart - 1 point above industry average and BELOW Chevy). And then there is Land Rover/Range Rover which came 2nd from bottom (much worse than Suzuki or Jeep with or without cloth seats). I believe JD Power for this survey (Initial Quality) although what constitutes a problem may vary from buyer to buyer (e.g. MINI owners complain that large cups don't fit in the cupholder, Hummer owners compained about poor gas mileage etc).

This is an excellent website on car reliability:

http://www.autooninfo.net


Lexus/Toyota is again No. 1 .