Alright ppl........ as the topic states... voice your opinions, knock yourselves out :D

pros...cons....durability...reputation..performanc e....price..etc

What the hell is a "Whiteline ?" Never heard of them. I have the Racing Beat & love them.

No 1st hand experience with the others - must be good, and there are countless comments on the board by satisfied owners of these fixed mount bars.

But this is 'a Whiteline' (w/high performance CAT option). 3 Stiffness adjustable anti-sway bars for each end of your car. The Creme de la Creme of sways bars - for those that want the ultimate in fexibility with their performance.

These are the adjustment ends. Think of fixed shocks vs. coilovers - it's the same idea. If you want to tune your suspension, if you're serious about extracting all your car has to offer, adjustables are the only way to go IMHO.

Fixed antisway bars, no matter how 'good', only give you one setting, then you'r done, for good or for bad.

Whiteline is a hardline racing equipment company for subies and others in the land down under at http://www.whiteline.com.au (http://www.whiteline.com.au/), there is a lot of good handling and tuning info on their web site, and they have a US distributor http://www.globalperformanceparts.com (http://www.globalperformanceparts.com/) The guys in the Ausi forum here know about them, go ask them. They've done group buys, etc. for them.

I just 'Flat Out' wanted the best gear for the best performance :D .

Sacrilege. Can't beat Racing Beat's reputation, which apparently is the only factor anyone has to go with.

No doubt that RB has the best rep in the business, but the fact remains that the 'Whiteline' bars are a quantum leap ahead, being adjustable.

Kind of moot, only available in Oz.

S

Inly available in OZ you say? Pity!

Ya mate, you'll need all the help and equipment you can get to have your 8's run as fast and handle as well as the North American stock versions! j/k

FYI, neither site has anything for the RX-8?? Did I miss something? Can you provide a link for the sways bars for the RX-8 specifically because I would like to read up on what they offer and how its designed for the RX-8.

Thanks.

It is mentioned in their online catalog, and in the 'What's new' section......

Mazda RX8, FR, 07/03 on
Front BMF49 - Heavy duty 27 mm swaybar
BMF49Z - Heavy duty 27mm adjustable swaybar
Rear BMR77 - Heavy duty 18 mm swaybar
BMR77Z - Heavy duty 18 mm adjustable swaybar

S

Many thanks.

i think both are very reputable companies, its just that we are in NA and we hear about RB alot more....

i think i would go with the RBs because they are powdercoated red..... looks better dont they?

I went with RB because they have an excellent reputation and quality products.. red who cares.. it could of been pick and i would of buy them anyway... as long it's RB. :-)

I went with RB because they have an excellent reputation and quality products.. red who cares.. it could of been pick and i would of buy them anyway... as long it's RB. :-)


I see you are a fellow Canadian :p

So where'd you pick up your RB sways from?

Im from Vancouver btw..

I'm in the market too, so where is the best place to buy?

It's confusing, many places sell the RB stuff cheaper than the RB website!

So far, OptionImports (http://www.optionimports.com) seems to have a good price and a fairly good reputation....any others?

S

No doubt that RB has the best rep in the business, but the fact remains that the 'Whiteline' bars are a quantum leap ahead, being adjustable.

Kind of moot, only available in Oz.

SNot true, the are available here is the USA :) or you can import them directly.
The source is glennd@globalperformanceparts.com (Glenn Dirdse), Holland MI
on 1/3/2005 I got these prices from him, but be sure to email him for current info/costs/ship info.

Mazda RX8, FR, 07/03 on
Front BMF49 - Heavy duty 27 mm swaybar - $132.91
BMF49Z - Heavy duty 27mm adjustable swaybar – 187.00
Rear BMR77 - Heavy duty 18 mm swaybar - $132.91
BMR77Z - Heavy duty 18 mm adjustable swaybar – 187.00

BIU, i bought it directly from RB website.. very service.. hey! :D

BIU, i bought it directly from RB website.. very service.. hey! :D

Silver, how much was the duty and taxes?

No doubt that RB has the best rep in the business, but the fact remains that the 'Whiteline' bars are a quantum leap ahead, being adjustable.

Kind of moot, only available in Oz.

S

Looks like you haven't read that Racing Beat thread I started because you didn't get the punchline. Anyway, I can't believe you would diss Racing Beat like that. Even if the Racing Beat bars were painted like a peppermint stick and made out of plastic, the Whiteline could not compete. NO ONE disses Racing Beat. As you know, their manufacturing and research and development is unsurpassable, especially when it comes to the complexities of sway bars. I mean we're not talking about easy crap like ECU's.

Reactionary,

I guess you are trying to be funny, but you are coming off as a real ass. What you were asking for was not possible. You were asking for raw data & proof from the people who bought RB products. We don't go around with meausurement tools on our cars. Many of us tried to tell you that it felt substantially better, but that wasn't good enough for you. You are asking for #'s from us, but you are better off actually sending an email to Racing Beat, instead of wasting space on this board. The thread you started went about 100+ replies, with you being ridiculous, and about 50 posters telling you that.

Do we have concrete #'s that the RB sway bars are better than Whiteline, or for that fact Mazdaspeed or Auto Exe ? No. Because none of us have all of these, or are willing or care enough to test these against each other extensively. We bought our product , we like it, and we referred to our experiences on this board. If that is not scientific enough for you, then don't buy their product.

You go off on RB, but why don't you go after Mazdaspeed, or any other vendor for that fact, as no one can give you what you are asking for.

I personally have NO IDEA why everybody thinks you have an anti-RB agenda. No idea at all. :confused:

Looks like you haven't read that Racing Beat thread I started because you didn't get the punchline. Anyway, I can't believe you would diss Racing Beat like that. Even if the Racing Beat bars were painted like a peppermint stick and made out of plastic, the Whiteline could not compete. NO ONE disses Racing Beat. As you know, their manufacturing and research and development is unsurpassable, especially when it comes to the complexities of sway bars. I mean we're not talking about easy crap like ECU's.

Hello, so nothing has changed recently then??!!!

Ric Shaw sells adjustable swaybars too. You can see his website here. (http://www.ricshawonline.com/)

Gomez.

One bad thing about the whiteline bars, they are solid, very heavy. :(

Reactionary,

I guess you are trying to be funny, but you are coming off as a real ass. What you were asking for was not possible. You were asking for raw data & proof from the people who bought RB products. We don't go around with meausurement tools on our cars. Many of us tried to tell you that it felt substantially better, but that wasn't good enough for you. You are asking for #'s from us, but you are better off actually sending an email to Racing Beat, instead of wasting space on this board. The thread you started went about 100+ replies, with you being ridiculous, and about 50 posters telling you that.

Do we have concrete #'s that the RB sway bars are better than Whiteline, or for that fact Mazdaspeed or Auto Exe ? No. Because none of us have all of these, or are willing or care enough to test these against each other extensively. We bought our product , we like it, and we referred to our experiences on this board. If that is not scientific enough for you, then don't buy their product.

You go off on RB, but why don't you go after Mazdaspeed, or any other vendor for that fact, as no one can give you what you are asking for.

I didn't go off on Racing Beat at all. I'm parodying the people who talk about Racing Beat.

BIU said he liked the Racing Beat bars for the color. That's some good criterion there. If Fanman actually read and understood that Racing Beat thread, he would concede that a lot of people who responded brought a bright spotlight unto their own human folly, not me. And I didn't ask for numbers or data from anybody. I even stated explicitly several times it is no one's burden. I simply asked people to think about their own thinking a little bit more when it comes to Racing Beat but not limited to RB.

I didn't go off on Racing Beat at all. I'm parodying the people who talk about Racing Beat.

BIU said he liked the Racing Beat bars for the color. That's some good criterion there. If Fanman actually read and understood that Racing Beat thread, he would concede that a lot of people who responded brought a bright spotlight unto their own human folly, not me. And I didn't ask for numbers or data from anybody. I even stated explicitly several times it is no one's burden. I simply asked people to think about their own thinking a little bit more when it comes to Racing Beat but not limited to RB.


Just to clarify,

I think RB and Whiteline are both reputable companies that make awesome products...... i would not mind having RB or whiteline swaybars on my ride....they are both around the same price...both good quality products.... i am just saying when im ready to purchase swaybars in the near future i will probably go for the RBs because i like the red bars showing under the car in opposed to the whiteline's silver color and also RBs are easier to get in my part of town in opposed to the Aussie Whitelines..

that is all.

Peace

FYI : my first car was a Mazda MP3....fully tuned by RB... so i KNOW for a fact that RB makes really good products and i have never doubted their abilities ;)

I didn't go off on Racing Beat at all. I'm parodying the people who talk about Racing Beat.

BIU said he liked the Racing Beat bars for the color. That's some good criterion there. If Fanman actually read and understood that Racing Beat thread, he would concede that a lot of people who responded brought a bright spotlight unto their own human folly, not me. And I didn't ask for numbers or data from anybody. I even stated explicitly several times it is no one's burden. I simply asked people to think about their own thinking a little bit more when it comes to Racing Beat but not limited to RB.

Nonsense, you have been condescending about Racing Beat throughout the thread and the only spotlight you brought out was in your foolishness. You basically beat a dead horse, repeating your message 30X over when everybody essentially blew you off & asked the moderator to close the thread, and ban you. You are a nuisance, that has contributed nothing to this board. I was civil to you in your thread, but you kept pushing your point beyond ridiculous. Even in this thread you have written 2 posts with both of them being facetious & disparaging to Racing Beat. Call it what you will but I find your continued off handed remarks very annoying. If you want to beat a Dead Horse, then you might as well start a subject on why you hate a particular vendor, just because many of the posters actually like their products.

He's clearly a troll. 91 posts, and about 70 have been troll posts with the remaining 21 being lame attempts to deny it.

jds

Nonsense, you have been condescending about Racing Beat throughout the thread and the only spotlight you brought out was in your foolishness. You basically beat a dead horse, repeating your message 30X over when everybody essentially blew you off & asked the moderator to close the thread, and ban you. You are a nuisance, that has contributed nothing to this board. I was civil to you in your thread, but you kept pushing your point beyond ridiculous. Even in this thread you have written 2 posts with both of them being facetious & disparaging to Racing Beat. Call it what you will but I find your continued off handed remarks very annoying. If you want to beat a Dead Horse, then you might as well start a subject on why you hate a particular vendor, just because many of the posters actually like their products.

Not even close. I have no agenda against Racing Beat. The thread provides no such evidence. The thread asked people to think a little more and to think more consistently. What evidence the thread provides is that many people, in their own bias, took an immediate defensive stance, and tried to personally attack me. Extremely simple. Reread the thread. Your bias is still deep in you. Otherwise, you would concede I did no such thing and nothing wrong in that thread.

He's clearly a troll. 91 posts, and about 70 have been troll posts with the remaining 21 being lame attempts to deny it.

jds

By what definition of troll? Some of you are ridiculous. One thing I've learned here is you have to be assertive or people will try to step on you. And that's what I'm beginning to do.

Not even close. I have no agenda against Racing Beat. The thread provides no such evidence. The thread asked people to think a little more and to think more consistently. What evidence the thread provides is that many people, in their own bias, took an immediate defensive stance, and tried to personally attack me. Extremely simple. Reread the thread. Your bias is still deep in you. Otherwise, you would concede I did no such thing and nothing wrong in that thread.

My bias has been stated consistently, based on my previous experiences with their product. I've stated that consistently. You think you are being assertive, you think you are trying to state things to people, and make them think but all you did was grate people the wrong way. You think you are being unbias, but either you are one of those people that ask the same question 50 different ways & exaperate other people or you have an ax to grind. I've read the thread, and have you noticed that NOBODY sided with you. Do you ever think that you may be thinking that you are approaching something in an objective manner but that EVERYBODY else sees/feels that you are not ? Just let it go, & the next time you think about posting something stupid about Racing Beat, just figure that everybody else sees it as bias BS. If you have an experience to share, then fine. If you just want to talk out of your hole, from no experience what so ever, then what is the point ?

My bias has been stated consistently, based on my previous experiences with their product. I've stated that consistently. You think you are being assertive, you think you are trying to state things to people, and make them think but all you did was grate people the wrong way. You think you are being unbias, but either you are one of those people that ask the same question 50 different ways & exaperate other people or you have an ax to grind. I've read the thread, and have you noticed that NOBODY sided with you. Do you ever think that you may be thinking that you are approaching something in an objective manner but that EVERYBODY else sees/feels that you are not ? Just let it go, & the next time you think about posting something stupid about Racing Beat, just figure that everybody else sees it as bias BS. If you have an experience to share, then fine. If you just want to talk out of your hole, from no experience what so ever, then what is the point ?

ONCE AGAIN, many people turned that thread into personal attacks. I did not get personal. Many people were talking out of their assholes. They turned the topic of that thread inside out and created their own egoistical agendas. You talked out of your A hole, as you know. People like you screwed the thread up. AGAIN, the real topic of the thread was that people need to think more about their own thinking when it comes to Racing Beat and try to catch themselves in biased, inconsistent thinking/behavior. Nothing at all wrong with that topic. Something very wrong with personalized attack agendas from biased misinterpretation because of individual human folly. Thread topic was fine and legit and worthwhile. Many people who responded were not legit or fine or worthwhile.

Edit: I just reviewed that Racing Beat thread and it turns out Fanman was actually one of the good guys. Bureau, Gomez, and many others were the ones talking out of their A holes because their egos made them want to go one-on-one with me instead of staying with the totally innocuous real topic. So why are you on my case now, Fanman?

Great, Reactionary killed another thread. Let's see if he can post another 50 posts in a thread defending himself AGAIN. I wish this could stay on topic about Racing Beat vs. Whiteline, but if you are going to continue to make semi-pitiful remarks (with no value) on the vendor, than just let it die. Seriously, look at the first 2 remarks that you made in this post. Do you see any value in those statements ?

You wonder why people think you have it out for Racing Beat, but the 2 threads that you have posted prominently on was a "What Are The Reasons Racing Beat Is So Respected" & RB vs. Whitelines thread. Both times you question Racing Beat's products/reputation, and this time you make a few snide remarks. You claim that you have nothing against them, yet I have not seen you post anything else about other vendors. Where's your philisophical statement when somebody buys Tein Springs ? Or Greddy Turbo & Exhaust ? I understand that your message is for us to think about what we are buying, is it really the product or the reputation of the company ? Sometimes you just have to face a reality check that many/all of us can't/won't see every product we buy extensively. The best you can hope for is to maybe see the product at Sevenstock, see a few pictures, or hear it on a few cars, read a few reviews and make a decision. That's life. It really comes off like what you are asking us is that if we like Racing Beat Springs we have to write a 2 page explanation on why our ass feels more planted in the seat compared to a set of Mazdaspeeds. Or if we want an exhaust we have to buy 5 different exhausts, take a look at each weld, strap a audio sensor to the back, & give a technical description on why one is better than another before we can choose one for our car. Real life is not like that. It's like you are that guy in the movie Clerks, checking out every single egg in the carton/several cartons for some perfection that nobody really cares about. Dude, just buy the eggs.


Like Rotary God said, if after 7 pages (previous thread) you weren't satisfied then you won't ever be with the answers on this board. You seemed inquisitive for the first 5 pages, hell I praised you for being that in my post, but then you seemed ridiculous for the final 3 pages, and now here.

whitelines are popular for the 240SXs in vancouver.. from what ive heard... and they are reputable.. fo sure.. very high quality product...their coilovers are goood tooo.. but i dont know if they make them for the 8...

for any one in Vancouver Bc.. try PDM racing.. they sell them for the 240s.. but my guess is they could get it for the 8s toooo..

Both times you question Racing Beat's products/reputation, and this time you make a few snide remarks. You claim that you have nothing against them, yet I have not seen you post anything else about other vendors.

Above, I added an edit saying that I checked that old thread out and realized you were one of the few good guys. So why are you on my case now?

It seems you haven't read my comments closely enough. Again, I am parodying the people who knee press Racing Beat, not Racing Beat. Please get that into your head. I have not attacked other vendors because I have not attacked any vendors, not even Racing Beat. I am parodying the many many people who got offtrack and defensive and ruined that other thread all on account of that they want to be Racing Beat's love child. Those people are my focus, not Racing Beat. Other brands' bitches (not the brands themselves) never entered this thing.

One bad thing about the whiteline bars, they are solid, very heavy. :(Interesting point ULLLOSE, Whitelines are solid, of course they weight more, but this also increases stiffness without increasing bar diameter. According to Whiteline (cause I asked) this means that the solid bars are 33%-44% stiffer for a given diameter using 'same-as-OEM' arm length mounting holes.

Esp. in front this can make mounting easier. But I have wondered about other bar's weights compared to Whiteline. So I weighed mine

Front bar is 12.6lbs
Rear bar is 4.8 lbs

Anyone have weights on RB, MS, OEM or others? I'd like to know just how much extra weight we're talking 1 lb or 5 lb or ?

-----------PS Could you boys who are so into each other pls take all the personal attacks & banter elsewhere, PMs, offline, lounge? This could be a nice technical discussion of performance bars were it not for all the "he said", "you said", "I did", "no I didn't" foolishness. Thank you.

I'd like to talk about sway bars. So ca we stick to the technical facts? At least you learn something that way. :rolleyes:

So with hollow bars, you can attain a certain stiffness while saving weight?

So with hollow bars, you can attain a certain stiffness while saving weight?Hollow bars appear to have a slight intrinsic advantage overall in that as the bar twists the outer material contributes more to stiffness (as it twists farther) than the inside material. So taking out the inside material (hollow bar) does not compromise stiffness too terribly much (the 33-44% I mentioned above), and you can just make the hollow bar larger in diamerter to compensate while keeping the bar lighter. [As long as it still fits in the suspension]. This is the RB solution, hollow, and bigger.

Offsetting that is the fact that solid bars are well... solid, which means they are easier to manufacture (no end welding, cracks, breaks, pinching the tube, etc), and less prone to flex breakdown and loss of torsional stiffness. But, in any case, cheap steel (read poorly designed and low quality bars) will just go limp after a while whether solid or hollow. So a reputable company that uses quality steel is important no matter what bar you end up buying. Just like springs, there are good and bad cause a sway bar is just a spring straightened out.

Also you may simply want more stiffnes too, so solid starts out that way. It all depends on your application and what you want out of it. :)

Well this was an interesting thread until Reactionary hijacked it.

If you want to "discuss" your RB issues take it back to your own thread.

I made this thread to let ppl discuss about the RB and Whiteline sways.....

it was gonna be informative.......... but look now.....

It looks like a healthy thread now, so let's get back to swaybar business...maybe it's time to stop worrying about what's past. ;)

Anyone got the weights of other swaybars, front and rear.. inquiring minds want to know :)

i have whiteline adjustable front and read sway bars. they are very good quality and it totally transformed the car. alot less body roll, and makes more fun around the corners/round abouts.
whiteline have actually used my 8 for the sway bars R&D here in sydeny, so my would be one of the first off the production line. :D
they are doing springs atm, 30mm lowered all round. the 8 will have to go back soon for another test fit/drive soon.
the silver colour sway bars doesnt look too bad on a blk 8. you cant really see it unless you are on the floor :p

If I am not mistaking, The sway bars are pretty much the lowest thing on the car...the weight is only added to the lowest point which last time i checked was an "excusable" add-on. Lower center of gravity, better handling.

So There!

If I am not mistaking, The sway bars are pretty much the lowest thing on the car...the weight is only added to the lowest point which last time i checked was an "excusable" add-on. Lower center of gravity, better handling.

So There!

True, but it is also unsprung weight to a point, as it hooks to both the suspension and the body....Unsprung weight is a BAD thing. You should be able to find a hallow bar that is as stiff as the solid one with around a 25% weight savings.

I tell you I am new to the RX8 and the forum... Being active on other forums I am bummed at how many losers are on here killing perfectly good threads. :( Seems like the mods could step in a delete the junk post. imho

There's a difference between being assertive and being a dick. Really! There is. Now you'll have to PM me or start a new thread if you want me to call you more names, because there is still a small chance of decent information getting posted in this thread. Not by you of course.

jds

By what definition of troll? Some of you are ridiculous. One thing I've learned here is you have to be assertive or people will try to step on you. And that's what I'm beginning to do.

Bureau, I have reviewed your many self-important musings in that other thread. Boy, did you stick your neck out. LOL. So you embarrassed yourself. So what? What's next?

True, but it is also unsprung weight to a point, as it hooks to both the suspension and the body....Unsprung weight is a BAD thing. You should be able to find a hallow bar that is as stiff as the solid one with around a 25% weight savings.Sounds reasonable to think it increases unsprung weight a bunch... but according to Whiteline, apparently not to a significant extent. And before you say they're just biased - read this http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bulletins/Hollow%20vs%20Solid%20Swaybar.pdf
where they calculate the difference in unsprung weight of a typical solid vs. hollow sway bar install.

Ends up about 220g in their example (less than 1/2 lb per wheel) and with an unsprung mass of say 88 lbs - my guess based on the 8 (48lb tire/wheel + 1/2 weight of suspension) that's less than 1% increase in unsprung weight.

As you say, unsprung weight is BAD, but on a scale of 1 to 10, this isn't a killer issue.

These are the adjustment ends. Not enough edge distance for bolts of that size. Could cause tear-out. Bad design.

Small picture. It looks like the bottom has more room. On the top side the distance from the edge looks too close.

I read an article form some pro's and they recommended the Whileliners for the 350z.

I can tell you right now that a tube is way stronger than any bar.

Now if your talking twisting, i would put my bet on the tube.

Therefore the tube is a better sway bar.

I can tell you right now that a tube is way stronger than any bar.

Now if your talking twisting, i would put my bet on the tube.
Generally speaking, rods have far more torsional rigidity than tubes of the same diameter.

What if I tell you that the people in Australia has trouble keeping the sway bar in the same place after 100 km.

Someone has to do backyard job and self made clamp to keep it not moving sideways :)

Start reading from thread # 69
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=52692&page=5&pp=15

Spin9k's thread in #97
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=839357&postcount=87

Taka

P.S. I am not it is the start or the end of the matter for whiteline. I am happy with my non adjustable MazdaSpeed sway :)

the Whiteline bar is about identical to the Mazdaspeed bar with the extra adjuster hole (which I agree is pretty cheesey), neither is much stiffer than the OE bar, the RB bar is waaaay stiffer

whether a tube or a bar is stiffer depends on the specific diameters you are comparing against the two

you can stop the bar from moving by installing a pair of shaft collards on it, no biggy

you can stop the bar from moving by installing a pair of bar clamps on it, no biggy

Oh yes if you can trust the pair of bar clamp on the track... Why not everyone go for the whiteline :p?

It is nice to have adjustable sway bars but how easy it is to adjust it... even in the pit lane? Well you obviously need a jack and tool. Until they have electronic adjuster like the EDFC in Tein coilovers. I am just too lazy to do all that! :rolleyes:

yes, every NASCAR racer runs shaft collars on their track swaybars :rolleyes: , you must be confusing them for something else, they aren't going to move, I'm not talking about hose clamps if that's what you're referring to though people have used those successfully too

I wouldn't go for either, my speedway-style bar makes them both look like toys :cool: not everybody is just playing around like yourself

ps: that's a shaft collar laying in front of the bushing assembly, I mistakenly called it a bar clamp though that's exactly what it does.

http://www.tripointengineering.com/Graphics/Products/suspension/antisway.gif

I can report that the lateral stops I made (hose w/aluminum sheet covering & SS clamp) worked just fine - no movement whatsoever - after total about 80 minutes of on-track workout - Here's the vid http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=909417&posted=1#post909417 made with the RX-8 spinMOUNT camcorder mounting system.

Obviously compared to the NASCAR style bar these are not anywhere near that stiff - but put those on your 8, and it will become nearly un-driveable. But certainly the adjustment system I see in the pics is virtually perfect and far, far more heavy duty (beautiful too!)

For light track use, the Whiteline's are far far stiffer than stock - but I can't compare against the RB - probably similar or stiffer as the Whitelines are solid - RB hollow. Anyway enjoy the show!

Obviously compared to the NASCAR style bar these are not anywhere near that stiff - but put those on your 8, and it will become nearly un-driveable.

nice assumption, but you're statement is incorrect

the center tube comes in several thicknesses, you can make it softer than OE or stiffer than RB by simply swapping out the the center tube if you so desire, it's the ultimate tunable swaybar, since you don't know which centertube I have you're talking out of your assumption :p

my information was that the front Whiteline bar is tubular, if it's solid then my statement about it being close to the Mazdaspeed bar in stiffness is incorrect :o

nice assumption, but you're statement is incorrect

the center tube comes in several thicknesses, you can make it softer than OE or stiffer than RB by simply swapping out the the center tube if you so desire, it's the ultimate tunable swaybar, since you don't know which centertube I have you're talking out of your assumption :p

my information was that the front Whiteline bar is tubular, if it's solid then my statement about it being close to the Mazdaspeed bar in stiffness is incorrect :oCouple questions - where did you purchase such a bar for the 8? How much for the parts? I agree that would be the ultimate, if I could have purchased that ... well I would have....but I didn't know where to get it.

Whiteliness for the 8 are solid front and rear, same diameter as OEM front, larger in the rear.

unless they are made of some different material (not steel), the Whiteline's should be the same stiffness as the RB's in the rear and 35% softer in the front on the "same as OEM' arm length i believe