________ 5-60mph __ 70mph-0 __ Skidpad __ EPA hwy __ Engine

Chrysler
Crossfire___ 6.9 s _____ 161 ft ____ 0.91 g ___ 27 mpg ___ V6

Mazda RX8__7.5 s _____ 161 ft ____0.91 g ____23 mpg __ 2-rotor

Infiniti
G35 Coupe__6.2 s _____ 164 ft ____ 0.86 g ____27 mpg ___ V6

Nissan
350Z Track __ --- ______164 ft ____ 0.88g _____ --- _____ V6

Mitsubishi
Lancer Evo__6.7 s _____157 ft ____ 0.90 g ____26 mpg ___I4-T

BMW M3 ___ 5.3 s _____ 161 ft ____0.87 g ____24 mpg ___ I6


Car&Driver Test Data

http://www.caranddriver.com

Crossfire report: July issue Car&Driver (p.120)

Umm, ok... so you posted only the few categories where the crossfire was competitive and purposely left out all the others where all of the other cars beat it. Plus it costs ~$10k more than the RX-8.... what's your point?

Actually, the real stand-out there is the Evo. It's the cheapest, (by far, compared to the M3) yet offers the best over-all performance. That stopping distance is especially impressive!

But, as with everything in life, there are trade-offs.

Originally posted by Schneegz
But, as with everything in life, there are trade-offs. For example: You would want to be seen driving such an ugly car.

Originally posted by Puppy1
For example: You would want to be seen driving such an ugly car.

The question is, would you want to be driving a car that's associated with Celine Dion?

Originally posted by MRocks


The question is, would you want to be driving a car that's associated with Celine Dion?
Good point. Chrysler is shooting themselves in the foot on this one.:p

Originally posted by MRocks


The question is, would you want to be driving a car that's associated with Celine Dion?

hahahaha... that, or Diana Krall... :o!!

...weird, eh?? the Canadian theme... *shrug*

Okay, totally serious question: why would anyone actually buy the Crossfire? It's really not up to par on performance with its competition, and the last time I checked Chrysler doesn't exactly have the prestige of BMW or even Infiniti for that matter. I just don't get what the appeal could possibly be, especially for $35k.

Originally posted by m477
Okay, totally serious question: why would anyone actually buy the Crossfire? It's really not up to par on performance with its competition, and the last time I checked Chrysler doesn't exactly have the prestige of BMW or even Infiniti for that matter. I just don't get what the appeal could possibly be, especially for $35k.


Some people just want something that looks really different than anything else on the road, like the Audi TT - not the best with preformance, but it looks really unique. It all comes down to a matter of what the person's looking for in styling and obviously wants something that will stand out quickly from the rest of the cars on the road. My major gripe with the Crossfire is it's lack of technology features, it has no navi, it has no digital climate control, it has no trip computer or information screen or anything. Those for me were the biggest turn offs with the Crossfire. Also if you look at pics of the Mercedes SLK and then a pic of the interior of the Crossfire, they look almost identical (yes yes I know the majoritory of the parts used to make the Crossfire came strait out of the SLK).
The styling I love but for $35K I feel it should have more features especially technology features. For 35K what I want is a sports car or a unique designed car that offers a lot of zoom with a nice level of luxury and technology. I think either a Audi TT or a Mazda RX-8 are much better choices for someone looking for that type of car in that price range.

Originally posted by m477
Okay, totally serious question: why would anyone actually buy the Crossfire? It's really not up to par on performance with its competition, and the last time I checked Chrysler doesn't exactly have the prestige of BMW or even Infiniti for that matter. I just don't get what the appeal could possibly be, especially for $35k.

I was reading a review on it in one of the car mags (forget which one) and it said that it was 50HP short of being a serious contender. I can't see anyone really wanting it either. It's going up against those roadster like cars like the TT and Boxster, and while the front fascia styling is ok, i cant get over CELINE DION driving it while listening to her song. I can't imagine who brought that up at a marketing meeting thinking that was a good idea, and for the executive to actually green light it.

i must admit that the crossfire was on my short list (along with the TT, and Z) b4 i decided on the 8.

>shoot me now<

when i saw it in person at the auto show it was quickly axed. it looks great in pics but it seems to skew to an older demographic in person. i haven't hit my "mid-life crisis" yet so it wasn't for me.

and, of course, i agree with the earlier posts...for $35K u can get a REAL luxury sports car with the bells and whistles that u would expect at that price.

i saw the crossfire in person
its friggin small

audi TT and z4 category (maybe a lil smaller even)

I don't get this car either, to me it's a 350Z with less power, more weight and no extra benefits for more money??

And let's not forget the legendary Chrysler reliability.. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ELX13
i must admit that the crossfire was on my short list (along with the TT, and Z) b4 i decided on the 8.

>shoot me now<
The concept car looked much better with the verticaly stacked lights. I liked it too. It looked much younger then. Then they blew it and went for the old fart look.

On the plus side it is that it is built on the SLK platform. The downside is that platform is already 7 years old and MB is already replacing it. That means Chrysler is building a car that is 7 years old.

_________ Curb Weight

RX-8 ______ 3000 lb

Crossfire ___ 3111 lb

Evo _______ 3260 lb

350Z ______ 3300 lb

M3 ________ 3400 lb

G35 C ______3500 lb


It's interesting that a 7-year old design beats brand new designs.

The Crossfire is made in Germany. It is 100% Mercedes.

Curb weight and the platform the car is designed on are two very different things..

Impressive skidpad #s, but taking everything into account, it would be more entertainable if the price tag was cut by $5000+

even if the CrossFire is made in Germany, it is not really 100% Mercedes. maybe about 60/40 Chrysler to MB.

i like the styling actually...although the concept one was more desirable.
i think EVO and CAR did a review on it, and they both said the same things...not a bad car, steering is good, shifter is a little nimb though and with a little more power it would be a contender.

santino

Worm and Sector steering, not rack and pinion.

if its 100% mercedes, why dont they call it the Mercedes Crossfire instead of the Chrysler Crossfire. Chrysler is crap.


Originally posted by Supercharger
_________ Curb Weight

RX-8 ______ 3000 lb

Crossfire ___ 3111 lb

Evo _______ 3260 lb

350Z ______ 3300 lb

M3 ________ 3400 lb

G35 C ______3500 lb


It's interesting that a 7-year old design beats brand new designs.

The Crossfire is made in Germany. It is 100% Mercedes.

Originally posted by Quick_lude
And let's not forget the legendary Chrysler reliability.. :rolleyes:

The Crossfire is a Chrysler in name only...it's really a Mercedes SLK with different skin. That's not necessarily anything to knock -- if you're over 40 with too much $$$ to spend, and under 5'10"' tall (believe me, if you're taller you don't want the SLK/Crossfire!)

i just saw a Crossfire on the road today...it had the manufacturer's plates on them. the one i saw was a black one, with it's a-pillar chromed. it looked pretty nice. i pulled along side it at the stop light in my 7. it is smaller than it looked in the pictures...about the size of a TT. now that i saw it in person, i like it even more.

the funny thing was the guy driving it was hunched over; he looked like a big dude, possibly over 6'2".

black is nice on it.

for any of you in Orange County, i saw it on Irvine Center Dr, right by the Irvine Spectrum, which makes sense since the DaimlerChrysler office is right around the corner from the place.

just thought i would share,

santino

Well, was passing by the local dealership and saw the Crossfire. Stopped to take a look. Not bad design. Clean lines . . . and then I see the sticker. $34,000.00 MSRP. BUT A $10,000.00 ADDITIONAL MARKUP FROM THE DEALER . . . FOR A TOTAL OF $44,000.00. Are these dealers crazy?? This is no Corvette. Daimler Chrysler needs to get ahold of their dealers before they ruin Daimler Chrysler. That markup was disghusting.

Jesus... I was just on ebay cause I actually think the crossfire looks nice in person, and wanted to see try to some pics of the trunk area to see how small it and to see is if it is do-able for day to day use, that is when I saw what Donny Boy above wrote about a $10K markup, there are dealerships on ebay trying to get $44-$45K for the crossfire, what are these idiots smoking - for that price you could go for the Mercedes SLK.

Edit: I just emailed Chylser about the $5K to 10K price gouging on the Crossfire and added it isn't a good incentive for prospective buyers especially ones who are also looking at the Audi TT and a fully loaded Mazda RX-8.

I don't know why anyone would want this car to begin with anyway. It is SO tiny and you only get a 215hp engine for $34K. What a waste.

Originally posted by GodWhomIsMike
there are dealerships on ebay trying to get $44-$45K for the crossfire, what are these idiots smoking - for that price you could go for the Mercedes SLK.

Edit: I just emailed Chylser about the $5K to 10K price gouging on the Crossfire and added it isn't a good incentive for prospective buyers especially ones who are also looking at the Audi TT and a fully loaded Mazda RX-8.

isn't most of the Crossfire SLK-derived, just uglified, anyways??

ok I got my response back from Chrysler about the severe price gouging. Here is the email:

Dear Mike:

Thank you for the email regarding Chrysler Crossfire pricing.

While your concerns are not taken lightly, there is nothing we can do to intervene in these situations. DaimlerChrysler dealers are independent business entities. They have purchased a franchise agreement that allows them to sell our vehicles retail in the marketplace. As a manufacturer, we are prohibited by law in setting the retail price on our products. The MSRP is actually a Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price for the vehicle. The dealer, as an independent business, is not bound by that price.

The sales agreement is a negotiated transaction between the independent dealer and the retail customer. DaimlerChrysler is not a party to that negotiation process. The Crossfire is a vehicle in high demand. As such, the dealer can often demand prices that reflect the popularity of the product in the marketplace. This action, though frowned on by DaimlerChrysler, is beyond our control.

Thanks again for the email.


I see I see. Not too sure if they B.S-ing me but I guess this is true since I have seen this many times before with cars, where dealers have massive mark-ups.

What do you guys think?

For $35K, give it a few years. It'll end up like the Prowler and the soon be gone the Thunder Bird.

Road&Track test data

_______________ 0 – ¼ mile _____ Power ___ Weight ___ P/W


Mazda RX-8 __ 14.5s @ 95.6mph ___238 hp ___3000 lb ___0.079

Chrysler
Crossfire _____14.7s @ 95.9mph ___215 hp ___3060 lb ___0.070


Both cars have manual transmission, NA engine and RWD.

The Crossfire has a lower power-to-weight ratio than the RX-8.

Crossfire test report: October issue Road&Track

Road&Track test conditions:

The Crossfire was tested on a hot day (93F) whereas the RX-8 was tested on a cool day (69F).

The Crossfire matches the RX-8’s acceleration despite the heat and a lower power-to-weight ratio.

Conclusion:
The RX-8 produces less than 238hp.

More importantly, am I the only one who thinks the crossfire is butt ugly? The front end is OK, but when I see that rounded rear end it just bothers me. I tried taking one for a test drive while waiting for my RX-8 paperwork to be done (daler had them on the lot as well) and it reminded me of my grandfathers Benz, only with no rear space. Car felt nice on the road, but I cant handle the looks of it at all.

I was hoping this car would kick butt originally but than it came out WAY overpriced, and ummm apparently it doesn't exist in Canada???

Originally posted by Wing
I was hoping this car would kick butt originally but than it came out WAY overpriced, and ummm apparently it doesn't exist in Canada???

Its based on an 8 year old Merc design and you thought it was going to 'kick butt' ?

You want looks??...you want simplicity??

Three cars that could come out:

1. VW Convertible, 4 inline, no electric gadgets, minimum weight (think they are trying to go below Miata stds). Don't know any HP figures.

2. Pontiac Solstice....well, Pontiac made...but who knows?
3. Dodge Razor, another minimalist approach....this time around by Dodge...again, who knows?

On a different note, the Crossfire started allright with the concept, until materials became a problem and they decided to use what was available. Thats the problem when function follows profitability.

Yes let me clarifiy, I thought it would kick butt BEFORE they mentioned the old SLK platform. It looked cool as a concept.

The pontiac Soltice looks cool, but who knows WHAT it will be when they do release it (if).

Unfortunatley as nice this car seems, it will fail as a product. People will drop 60k(cdn) on a audi,bmw,porshe, etc b4 they drop it on this car:mad:

It's a prestige car for chrysler. It's a mercedes with a chrysler logo on it, in an attempt to help boost chrysler's image. Sadly, it's an OLD mercedes with a chrysler logo on it. They should be happy with the 300M and stay out of the little sport toy market altogether.

I was actually gonna wait for that car and buy it, but the RX-8 came out instead so i bought that! AHAHAHAH. I think i made the right choice...:p

In the Crossfire's defense, I really like the styling. Seen it twice on the road. One time there was a new silver Mercedes SL500 behind it and I didn't even notice the Mercedes. It just blended in traffic compared to the charcoal colored Crossfire.

I see the Crossfire more as a GT car with more emphasis on cruising and less so in handling. I only worry about how well it will hold up over time even if well maintained. I could see that car becoming a classic in the future.

To me, $35k doesn't sound too bad for the Crossfire. Definitely not worth the additional markup though. Its probably the only Chrysler I would consider. I would be afraid to use it as a daily driver and more as a collectors car.

When I saw the car in person, it was much better than I expected...then again, when you expect the worst what isn't better?

I'm not sure I agree that it will be a collector car. There really is nothing special about it. The design isn't anything new, the performance isn't outrageous for its price range. In no way is it a revoulutionary vehicle. Possibly if they never sell any and it's a one year model, but even that won't qualify it to be a collector, that classifies it as a failure.

I do hope it suceeds, though.

The specially tuned Crossfire develops 313kW and has a top speed of 300km/h. Tuning company Startech did the conversion. Power comes from a 6.1-litre V8. It will sprint from 0 to 100km/h in only 4.7 seconds.

Read the article

here (http://www.news24.com/Wheels24/News/0,,1369-1372_1416912,00.html) .