YOU CANT LEAVE RAZ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


Petition: Keep raz on the forums. Whos with me?

I HATE seeing Raz go :(

I don't think that's going to work. There are also a few other people right behind him.

Please Raz, don't go. I'll go into a funk of heartache.

yep. I think they're gone for good, whether we like it or not.

They?

Yes... I know of several more.

im in both places at once

im in both places at once



ditto....I'm fence sitting for now.

im in both places at once



by the way, I challenged your photoshop skills back at the dark side!

Zuh?

Why's he leaving??? Alright, who pissed him off?!

If he doesn't come back, I will miss his large, bold... red letters.

I am amazed that this board is so different in rules from rx7club. I wish people could just ignore it if they saw something that they didnt like, he was perfectly within his rights to complain, but if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. If you can't take reading posts on AN INTERNET BBS and get offended and leave, sorry to say, but don't let door hit you in the @$$ on the way out. Life is too short to have to put up with whiny people who cry when they don't get their way.

This place operated the same way for a long time. It had standards. Those standards have slipped. Is it whiny to ask to uphold standards that have been in place for years?

wowsers and I thought that my car came out in 2003 as a '04 model. I'm sure that the rx-8 club was here 10 years before so people could comment about the possibility of the car coming out. Seriously, years? Also for standards, I don'e expect a lot from an internet BBS, its an open forum. I hear things that I don't like sometimes, but I dont go running to a mod to try and get my way. I stopped that with my parents when I was 8

^Maybe you are unaware. This club have been here since 2001...it is now 2005. "Years" sounds about right.

The mods are not the issue. This place was created with standards and rules that were/are enforced by the mods. There are plenty of boards out there and each has its own degree of extreme. If you choose not to abide by the rules, you go elsewhere. If the rules are not upheld you can also go elsewhere which is the case here for many people here.

so "many" people have left this board because of the RX7club guys posting in the lounge and/or the general decay in behavior? if you wouldnt mind quantifiying how "many" we are talking about here?

Sad to see many people leave. But its their own choice. It is also the choice of those of us acting like idiots for the last few month to do just that. I'm sure the people leaving will find even better places to post and those who stay will just continue about our merry way.
As for the quality of posts in the Lounge, I never took it seriously, and posts in other areas of the forum have been consistant. If some people were offended by posts in the Lounge, well, nothing much can be done about that. I hope the Lounge areas of their new forums will be more to their tastes.

I shall contribute by not polluting the waters in the dark side.

wow, someone who has something correct and interesting to say finally surfaces.

thanks Bliss!

WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW DID IT HAPPEN??????????????? spill the beans guys :)

edit: ok I read the post...Raz is nice but at the same time it really isn't going down hill around here the way he described it...his statement was a huge overkill but that is his opinion

you know he will be back...that was just a wimpy protest walk out...he walked out of the lounge what about the rest of the forum?

let him cool off he'll show up again

Also for standards, I don'e expect a lot from an internet BBS, its an open forum. I hear things that I don't like sometimes, but I dont go running to a mod to try and get my way. I stopped that with my parents when I was 8
you dont but a majority of our members mods and admins do. we made a conscious decision that we dont want this forum to be like the rx7club and other forums. we like it to be a place where families can come to and find out about this car AND interact with with others. we also like it to be a place where woman can come to and feel comfortable. we like it that parents are comfortable with ttheir children being able to surf here without worrying about what their kid is going to find. as for denegrading peoples choice to go to a mod- thats what we are here for and thats what the REPORT button is for. as was said by another person- the occassional thread is/can be funny- when they come in stacks 10 deep thats gone too far. to put it another way- this isnt a frat house where lewd vulgar comments are the norm- think of it as someones living room or their backyard bbq with everyones kids in the room or yard.

Sad to see many people leave. But its their own choice. It is also the choice of those of us acting like idiots for the last few month to do just that. I'm sure the people leaving will find even better places to post and those who stay will just continue about our merry way.
As for the quality of posts in the Lounge, I never took it seriously, and posts in other areas of the forum have been consistant. If some people were offended by posts in the Lounge, well, nothing much can be done about that. I hope the Lounge areas of their new forums will be more to their tastes.

I shall contribute by not polluting the waters in the dark side.

Very well stated, Bliss. :)

When I think of a "lounge", I see a neon sign of a Martini glass and maybe the word "Cocktails". Not a bordello or a strip club, but somewhere where adult conversation can take place and occasional bawdy humor can be appreciated along with serious discussions about (gasp) Religion and Politics. I don't think of it as the waiting room at the pediatrician's office, with copies of "Highlights" scattered about. Just my personal view and I don't say this to slam anyone else's view.

I can appreciate the Mods' position -- their job is to watch and so they see the worst of what goes on here; and they have to read threads that I may not bother with or that get deleted before I ever see them.

There seems to be an big concern over the "RX7" influence which seems blown out of proportion somehow and maybe tied in with the server outage in ways other than simply the cross-pollination that occurred while sites were down. Whatever is going on behind the scenes seems to have ruffled feathers. And I'm not trying to probe; just offering another possible explanation of why tolerance levels have been reduced.

Back to the Lounge analogy. Each one has standards that are an amalgam of the patrons and proprietor. There are many subtle gradations. Sure I've noticed a larger percentage of sophomoric posts but keep in mind that the popularity of the lounge grew on that sort of thing. At some point last summer, I think, the post total in the lounge exceeded the RX-8 "Discussion" forum. Definitely part of that was the fun of semi-naughty threads.

It seems to me that the quality of the "naughty" threads was somewhat higher at the outset. I think that has to do with the age of the "regulars" who participated. There's a fine line between bawdy and crass and I think older folks have an easier time walking that line. Both can say basically the same thing but come off differently.

I agree with Raz' observation of setting an overall tone and how it can degenerate. I think that as the playful naughtiness became a more significant part of the lounge, it attracted more members of a younger age or was the impetus for younger members to try their hand. Just as would happen in any social situation, the lines are tested and the skills at making such things pallatable need honing. That's why I'm sad to see that regulars are just up and leaving. Part of the role that more mature folks play in social groups is to help moderate. And just as others have suggested, SPEAK UP if you think things are heading the wrong way. That's an important part of setting the overall tone and can be more effective and more easily accepted than moderators having to delete posts/explain why they deleted posts/take crap for having deleted posts/etc/etc/etc. Witness the effect of Raz' "I'm leaving" post. That's the kind of effect a well-respected and mature member of a group can have.

Nothing but well-wishes to the moderators. You all seem like good people. Sorry for whatever negative effects my postings have had on your enjoyment your duties that I'm sure started out as a labor of love. Yeah, I can be sophomoric with the best(worst?) of them. Like (surely) many here, I'm a bit sobered by the "drama" of the last few days. Hopefully things will return to a better balance without too much more combativeness. Let's all just take a deep breath and maybe find some more substantive and thoughtful topics.

His daughters can still come here and hang out. :D

When I think of a "lounge", I see a neon sign of a Martini glass and maybe the word "Cocktails". Not a bordello or a strip club, but somewhere where adult conversation can take place and occasional bawdy humor can be appreciated along with serious discussions about (gasp) Religion and Politics. I don't think of it as the waiting room at the pediatrician's office, with copies of "Highlights" scattered about. Just my personal view and I don't say this to slam anyone else's view.

I can appreciate the Mods' position -- their job is to watch and so they see the worst of what goes on here; and they have to read threads that I may not bother with or that get deleted before I ever see them.

There seems to be an big concern over the "RX7" influence which seems blown out of proportion somehow and maybe tied in with the server outage in ways other than simply the cross-pollination that occurred while sites were down. Whatever is going on behind the scenes seems to have ruffled feathers. And I'm not trying to probe; just offering another possible explanation of why tolerance levels have been reduced.

Back to the Lounge analogy. Each one has standards that are an amalgam of the patrons and proprietor. There are many subtle gradations. Sure I've noticed a larger percentage of sophomoric posts but keep in mind that the popularity of the lounge grew on that sort of thing. At some point last summer, I think, the post total in the lounge exceeded the RX-8 "Discussion" forum. Definitely part of that was the fun of semi-naughty threads.

It seems to me that the quality of the "naughty" threads was somewhat higher at the outset. I think that has to do with the age of the "regulars" who participated. There's a fine line between bawdy and crass and I think older folks have an easier time walking that line. Both can say basically the same thing but come off differently.

I agree with Raz' observation of setting an overall tone and how it can degenerate. I think that as the playful naughtiness became a more significant part of the lounge, it attracted more members of a younger age or was the impetus for younger members to try their hand. Just as would happen in any social situation, the lines are tested and the skills at making such things pallatable need honing. That's why I'm sad to see that regulars are just up and leaving. Part of the role that more mature folks play in social groups is to help moderate. And just as others have suggested, SPEAK UP if you think things are heading the wrong way. That's an important part of setting the overall tone and can be more effective and more easily accepted than moderators having to delete posts/explain why they deleted posts/take crap for having deleted posts/etc/etc/etc. Witness the effect of Raz' "I'm leaving" post. That's the kind of effect a well-respected and mature member of a group can have.

Nothing but well-wishes to the moderators. You all seem like good people. Sorry for whatever negative effects my postings have had on your enjoyment your duties that I'm sure started out as a labor of love. Yeah, I can be sophomoric with the best(worst?) of them. Like (surely) many here, I'm a bit sobered by the "drama" of the last few days. Hopefully things will return to a better balance without too much more combativeness. Let's all just take a deep breath and maybe find some more substantive and thoughtful topics.


A good post. and right on the mark.

to be perfectly honest, i'll never understand how people (mods) want this to be a 'family' place.

this site, as the URL states, is a club for RX8s. It is not a club for anything else. From that respect, there really shouldn't be anyone reading on this site who can't actually drive, and that is the age of around 16. From THAT respect, any 16 year old that would get offended by anything they read on this forum is either leading a sheltered life or making something out of nothing.

I have never read anything on this forum that borders on being offensive or 'adult only' material. Also, concerning the family angle...is the worry that some kids might read stuff on here and read something they shouldn't? Are they REALLY going to read something here that they can't already see on cable TV or in a movie? Not that I really think kids are reading this site anyway, since it is supposed to be for RX8 enthusiasts and nothing else.

Not that I really think kids are reading this site anyway, since it is supposed to be for RX8 enthusiasts and nothing else.
Lilke you stated, it is an RX-8 enthusiasts' forum and nothing more. There is no age limit as to how old you have to be to be an enthusiast. Assuming that all car enthusiasts are 16 years of age and older is incorrect.

I would like to suggest that we all agree to disagree and let it go. We should get back to other subjects. There have been enough people that left already.

I would like to suggest that we all agree to disagree and let it go. We should get back to other subjects. There have been enough people that left already.

That makes too much sense.....HOW DARE YOU!...Now, I must leave... :mad:

Lilke you stated, it is an RX-8 enthusiasts' forum and nothing more. There is no age limit as to how old you have to be to be an enthusiast. Assuming that all car enthusiasts are 16 years of age and older is incorrect.

are you telling me that 12 year olds are reading this forum to see what TSBs are out on the RX8????

An enthusiast doesn't have to be an owner nor care about what TSBs (or any other technical info) are out. They just want to be part of a great online community and read up on things that interests them. Whether it is pictures of a proud new owner, or experiences an owner had while driving through the back roads, to some of the quirks that makes this car special. Besides, the problem is within the Lounge.

thats my point. the real problem is the Lounge itself, not the site as a whole. If it's THAT big of a deal to people, then either police the Lounge more or delete it completely. I have never seen this to be a problem on any other car forum...ANY. And I visit many, often.

Oh well.

That makes too much sense.....HOW DARE YOU!...Now, I must leave... :mad:
I just think it sucks that now the RX-8 "community" has been divided.

Although I am waiting for my account to be activated on the other site, I have checked it out and there appears to be a significant division.

It almost reminds me of a bad episode of Survivor when you have a tribe split into two groups each wanting to vote the other off the island.

Sorry if that's a bad analogy. But I kinda picked up on it when I read a comment about most of the older, more mature people moving to the other site. Not my opinion, just a vibe I picked up. I am sure there is a whole lot more to it than that, but I guess I'm just a little disappointed about having to frequent two sites now to benefit from everyone's RX-8 expertise... :(

oh, whatever. what's really funny about this is that half the people on the other site that are the loudest with the "oh, you're SO right, it sucks over there, the lounge is HORRIBLE are the worst offenders HERE, and were bitching about how they were being "censored" and "how come I can't say what I want- if you don't like it, don't read it" bit. Good lord. So it's going to start over there too, and everyone will have to run to ANOTHER site.

I guess I'm a relatively new 8 owner and member of this site, so I was disappointed to hear that some longtime members were abandoning the site just after I started getting comfortable being here. But I have to say that despite all of that mess (which I really don't want any part of), I still like this site and plan on making it a regular stop on my internet travels.

OK, everyone start celebrating now... ;)

I give you an example of a picture that if someone were to get offended by NEEDS SOME SERIOUS HELP and I'm happy to irritate them...especially since I was at the mall the other day and an old crotchety woman walked up to a younger woman who was doing this and told her to cover herself up as it 'disgusts her.' This weird rage came over me and if I wasn't with my GF I would have told the older woman to 'F-herself and jump off a cliff to do the world a favor'

This is by one of the funniest pics I've ever seen given the context and the Bodyguard next to President Chavez whos providing no protection whatsoever during the conversation :p HAHAHAHA

Pulled from the Associated Press:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/050212/481/lcar10502121959&e=1

Mmmmmmmmommy.

what other site?

what other site?

there is no other site...this one is it unless you want to go to rx8web with it's 9 members :p

Ok, I found the other site...but I just do not get how this whole thing got blown out of proprtion.....the 7 guys make a few posts, people complian, the site goes down for a few days, and now people are acting like it is a big divorce....did I miss something? I mean, really, did I miss something?

there is no other site...this one is it unless you want to go to rx8web with it's 9 members :p
Anybody see the movie "The Village?"

The similarities are striking.

aahhh how i wish i was her baby :D

aahhh how i wish i was her baby :D

Muhahahaha even if President Chavez is right up against you :p :D

Muhahahaha even if President Chavez is right up against you :p :D



lol yep iam not shy :p

Ok, I found the other site...but I just do not get how this whole thing got blown out of proprtion.....the 7 guys make a few posts, people complian, the site goes down for a few days, and now people are acting like it is a big divorce....did I miss something? I mean, really, did I miss something? A significant announcement will be made within the next week and will clear up most if not all preconceptions of what occurred that mods/admins could not nor chose to disclose. Let's just say it's a good deal for all parties involved and it'll be business as usual here. And then some. ;)

A significant announcement will be made within the next week and will clear up most if not all preconceptions of what occurred that mods/admins could not nor chose to disclose. Let's just say it's a good deal for all parties involved and it'll be business as usual here. And then some. ;)

Good, but I still can't figure out what I missed...... :confused:

Good, but I still can't figure out what I missed...... :confused:
I'll give you a short synopsis:

Server went down - juicy details (or not) of what really happened to follow (maybe).

A few folks went to the RX7 site to hang out, a warm welcome was given by them, but a few members were surprised at the free-wheeling style and the fun-loving characters with their witty/risque posts.

The RX7 site then went down, and this site was painfully slow. The RX7 loungers invaded here, and brought some of their fun-loving attitude with them. Some of us were infected by this, and in the few hours of anarchy, a couple of threads were started that gave some of the more sensitive members a panic attack. One such thread started by me was a tribute to thongs. A couple of thread titles were loosely veiled sexual innuendos in the guy321/flatso mold. The risque threads were promptly removed, but a few members were shocked that this club could descend to such a level.

Some of the freaked-out members unwadded their panties and proceeded to another smaller and more secluded RX8 site, sort of like in the movie "The Village." They are comfy in their new place, and the "monsters" are safely in the woods over here. Their blood pressures are much better, I'm sure, and now this site is pretty much back to normal.

You didn't miss much, and neither will we. People come and go all the time. It's part of life. Begging people to come back is distasteful, and lessens us. If they want to come back they will.

in otherwords it was a whole lot of fun :D

I'll give you a short synopsis:

Server went down - juicy details (or not) of what really happened to follow (maybe).

A few folks went to the RX7 site to hang out, a warm welcome was given by them, but a few members were surprised at the free-wheeling style and the fun-loving characters with their witty/risque posts.

The RX7 site then went down, and this site was painfully slow. The RX7 loungers invaded here, and brought some of their fun-loving attitude with them. Some of us were infected by this, and in the few hours of anarchy, a couple of threads were started that gave some of the more sensitive members a panic attack. One such thread started by me was a tribute to thongs. A couple of thread titles were loosely veiled sexual innuendos in the guy321/flatso mold. The risque threads were promptly removed, but a few members were shocked that this club could descend to such a level.

Some of the freaked-out members unwadded their panties and proceeded to another smaller and more secluded RX8 site, sort of like in the movie "The Village." They are comfy in their new place, and the "monsters" are safely in the woods over here. Their blood pressures are much better, I'm sure, and now this site is pretty much back to normal.

You didn't miss much, and neither will we. People come and go all the time. It's part of life. Begging people to come back is distasteful, and lessens us. If they want to come back they will.

Got it. I thought there was more too it, but I guess not. Strange world we live in.

:rolleyes:

Nice synopsis. See me after class Mr Doc. :)

Again, expect an announcement soon.

I'll give you a short synopsis:

Server went down - juicy details (or not) of what really happened to follow (maybe).

A few folks went to the RX7 site to hang out, a warm welcome was given by them, but a few members were surprised at the free-wheeling style and the fun-loving characters with their witty/risque posts.

The RX7 site then went down, and this site was painfully slow. The RX7 loungers invaded here, and brought some of their fun-loving attitude with them. Some of us were infected by this, and in the few hours of anarchy, a couple of threads were started that gave some of the more sensitive members a panic attack. One such thread started by me was a tribute to thongs. A couple of thread titles were loosely veiled sexual innuendos in the guy321/flatso mold. The risque threads were promptly removed, but a few members were shocked that this club could descend to such a level.

Some of the freaked-out members unwadded their panties and proceeded to another smaller and more secluded RX8 site, sort of like in the movie "The Village." They are comfy in their new place, and the "monsters" are safely in the woods over here. Their blood pressures are much better, I'm sure, and now this site is pretty much back to normal.

You didn't miss much, and neither will we. People come and go all the time. It's part of life. Begging people to come back is distasteful, and lessens us. If they want to come back they will.


We agree for once! Couldn't have said it better Doc.

Actually for once I disagree with Doc. A little sensationalized of a synopsis if you ask me. The main issue was the "discuss this and you will be instabanned" attitude put forth. The digression of the posts was not the main issue, however, it was a deciding factor for some.

The threatening of the forum members if they discussed the situation was unnecessary and just created further specualtion into what was going on, and if it had simply been explained there would not be this huge fallout. I think what happened is a normal part of business between partners, and unfortunately it did happen here. I am glad things are getting worked out because this is such a great source of information, but again from those whom I have spoken with that made their full departure it was more the police state tactics than it was the decline of content that made them leave.

I hope Ryan and the rest can work things out to everyone's benefit and this site can prosper for a looooonnnggg time to come. Sorry if this angers those in the upper echelons of power here, as it is not meant to, but to oversimplify and sensationalize the reason others left is deceitful.

Actually for once I disagree with Doc. A little sensationalized of a synopsis if you ask me. The main issue was the "discuss this and you will be instabanned" attitude put forth. The digression of the posts was not the main issue, however, it was a deciding factor for some.

The threatening of the forum members if they discussed the situation was unnecessary and just created further specualtion into what was going on, and if it had simply been explained there would not be this huge fallout. I think what happened is a normal part of business between partners, and unfortunately it did happen here. I am glad things are getting worked out because this is such a great source of information, but again from those whom I have spoken with that made their full departure it was more the police state tactics than it was the decline of content that made them leave.




The problem with your post is that one person, and not any of the regular mods/admin here, made that "threat." And it wasn't even made on this board. People keep bringing that up, and it isn't even a valid issue. If people want to leave and go elsewhere, that's fine. But don't keep trying to justify it like this.

And the problem with your post is that you are the one trying to justify something. I'm just stating what I am getting from those that left. I did see the threat, and no as you said it did not come from the regulars here, but none-the-less there has been an overwhelming "show of force" going on here lately.

I am trying to justify nothing. I have not left. Nor do I intend to, but Doc's comments were only half true and irresponsible. If you do not agree then so be it, but I have the right to state my opinion and present another side of the story. I have agreed with 95% of the mods/admins decisions here especially yours, so don't try to shut me down like I am 2 years old because you simply do not agree with what I have said and I do not wield the almighty moderator power.

I have served for 16.5 years to defend everyone's right to their own opinion and the right to speak it. (Do not read this as I am for bringing back "Thong Tues" because that is a bit much, but neither should we become a southern baptist convention site either).

Perception is everything. I'll speak of my own.

It was an inconvenience when the site went down. Things happen in cyberspace all the time, so that in itself wasn't a huge deal. But when I learned that the site wasn't down due to technical problems, but rather what was reported to be disagreements among owners/managers/hosters/etc, I for one was furious. The RX-8 owners who visit this site are the reason it exists, and a number of people who should have known better forgot that critical fact. Perception - site management bungled, and the members were out in the cold.

So then we had the refugees migrating to the 7 site, then THAT site had similar or the same problems, people migrated back here IF they managed to find an IP address posted somewhere, etc etc etc. The lounge took on the look of a free-for-all between uncontrolled brats. Basically, the whole situation looked like a bad episode of the keystone cops on crack. Perception - the site leadership has fallen apart, we can't tell from day to day if the site will be up again, and we can't know if it's going down for good at any moment.

A significant number of people got fed up and left. Some left permanently, while others sit on the fence between sites. *Cough* Bottom line - there are fewer people here than there used to be. That's business out the door, which is a bad thing for the site.

A LOT of damage was done to perceptions in a very short time. It's doesn't have to be fatal. Damage control can probably heal the wounds over time, as long as nobody falls into the trap of blaming the customer who left.

Well said, Paul. :)
The RX-8 owners who visit this site are the reason it exists, and a number of people who should have known better forgot that critical fact.Which is exactly why Red RX-7 stepped in with his waders and did damage control before everything imploded. Most if not all of you don't know who Mike is, but I agree with his plan of "business as usual". He played a significant part in getting the parties to the negotiation table and keeping the forums up, regardless of (again)perceptions of his motives.

I can be counted as one who suggested insta-bans during the very early "critical hours" of this mess when nukes were being lobbed around. We had no choice but to impose a ban policy to squash gossip-mongering trolls looking to polarize the community. Call it martial law if you must.

We kept and are still keeping a tight lid on events until conclusion and it's for YOUR and the community's benefit. The ban policy is unfortunately still in effect for the time being. T

To all forum members, thank you. Not for necessarily agreeing but understanding the position we are in. :)

PM me if you have any questions I can answer at this time. -TM

The problem with your post is that one person, and not any of the regular mods/admin here, made that "threat." And it wasn't even made on this board. People keep bringing that up, and it isn't even a valid issue. If people want to leave and go elsewhere, that's fine. But don't keep trying to justify it like this.

Did Toadman clear this up for you? He just plainly said it is STILL in effect, as in was and will continue to be until we just shut up and play nice while they sort out the issues and what of all of this will be made public.

And I have news for you the rumors are still floating around and being propagated via e-mail, so whatever the statement is going to be you might want to make it sooner rather than later as credibility will be lost the more that other message is out there telling one side of the story.

I love this site, but don't treat us like we are lesser because we are not moderators. I for one would not have accepted an offer to be one even if extended (which now is clear that I never will be) to me. The best mods are the ones who do not feel they must remind everyone that they are.

The antics of the "other site" are rather amusing to me. They are apparently trying to make a copy of this site. They have a "little things" thread, a funny pictures thread, an "In the News" thread, and they even wanted to name their "off topic" area "The Lounge" until the moderator suggested that might be too much of a copycat.

Their suggestions area is chock full of suggestions to make that site as close to this one as they possibly can. They are frustrated with the differences (and the many inferior aspects), particularly regarding the posting of pictures. They are even trying to copy some of our DIYs to post there.

If they are trying to make that site as good as this one, they have quite a bit of work ahead. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Good luck to them.

Aren't you driving a car that's a copy of one made 30 years ago?Nope.

Let's try a different question. Why are you so critical of the move others have made? You've posted several times on it now.

I thought you had a new Mustang. Regardless, Ford took a good thing and rehashed it. Those of us who post on the other forum are rehashing the things we liked about this site. Nothing wrong with rehashing the good stuff, we'd be dickheads if we copied the rest.....

You enjoy the meal and the washing up. I'll leave the washing up to the kitchenhands.

Gomez.

Let's try a different question. Why are you so critical of the move others have made? You've posted several times on it now.

I thought you had a new Mustang. Regardless, Ford took a good thing and rehashed it. Those of us who post on the other forum are rehashing the things we liked about this site. Nothing wrong with rehashing the good stuff, we'd be dickheads if we copied the rest.....

You enjoy the meal and the washing up. I'll leave the washing up to the kitchenhands.

Gomez.I'm really not sure what you are trying to say with your last comment, but you must have missed the fact that I wished you all luck.

It just amuses me to see people trying to copy something that is already so good.

Same as it ever was.....same as it ever was......same as it ever was.....same as it EVER WAS.

Did Toadman clear this up for you? He just plainly said it is STILL in effect, as in was and will continue to be until we just shut up and play nice while they sort out the issues and what of all of this will be made public.

And I have news for you the rumors are still floating around and being propagated via e-mail, so whatever the statement is going to be you might want to make it sooner rather than later as credibility will be lost the more that other message is out there telling one side of the story.

I love this site, but don't treat us like we are lesser because we are not moderators. I for one would not have accepted an offer to be one even if extended (which now is clear that I never will be) to me. The best mods are the ones who do not feel they must remind everyone that they are.

I did not see Toadman make that statement- for which I apologize. As many were, I was unable to get on here for a few days, and the only place I saw it was RX7Club. As for reminding people that we are mods- no one does that. Zoom44 and I were begging peple on both places just to be calm, and leave it alone, while giving out as much info as we were allowed-we just didn't want anyone to completely freak out and get banned by admin for something trivial. Toadman and RedRx7 did what they had to do. What could they have done differently?

Again, just have patience. It will all make sense eventually.

Well, I am sorry I started an argument. For a change, that was not my intent.

All I can say, is s$%^ happens, and we deal with it or not.

Really, this site is fine as long as we do not lose IKEWRX :p


God, I am hooked on emoticons.

I guess what my point boils down to is that when expecting people to act as adults they should be given the courtesy of being treated as adults from the "other side of the table" so to speak. I have felt on several occasions that without regard to the intent of a persons post the condescending remarks from the mods were harsh and parental in nature, when a question could have cleared up the issue rather than a public spanking of the individual.

I'm not a child and expect to be given that courtesy unless I specifically and intentionally do something childish like create "Thong Tuesday" threads. I also should not be expected to bite my tongue just because the issue is sensitive to admins/mods. They should be held to the highest standards just like we in the military hold our senior leadership to higher standards, but just because they are the leadership does not make them above reproach.

While I do not have a solution to the issues at hand, nor what they should do differently because I have too little information to make such a supposition, it is clear that what they have done was regress to the second grade by the insta-ban comments. This equates to "stop saying that or I won't let you be my friend and come over and play anymore". To prove the point Doc being one of the offensive thread starters is here heckling those who have left, "The antics of the "other site" are rather amusing to me" rather than leaving well enough alone, since as you say the childish and offensive materials are what drove people away, clearly makes him culpable by your own standards.

Ban me, heckle me, and/or flame me for my comments, but if you stop and think about it OBJECTIVELY you know there is truth to what I have said. If you can find no truth then you are clearly blinded to to forest because of all of the trees.

Happy Valentines Day to all.

Who the hell is raz?

Ok, you have a point, BUT i have noticed some of the people who left are among the offenders here. Which is why I just can not understand it.

I did not see what the rx7 guys put up, but, it sounds like it got out of hand, and was delt with.

I did not see the "instaban" post, but it is a free forum, and they can do what they want as regards to rules...I really do not think most people are mocking you guys, I suspect it is just two sides of the issue, not wanting to see the others point of view...Like the NHL right now. Seems like some people on both sides got their undies in a bunch. It happens, we should move on. The thing I do not get is why they left, when they got what they wanted...less of the "fringe" stuff.

What I really do not get is why anyone is upset over the site going down, It happens. Heck, you know how much KLEGGSPEED lost in orders? Maybe it is just me, but this seems like it is wayyyy blown out of proportion. Everybody needs a group hug. you know what, I will act as an arbitrator on this (I do it all the time for the court system.) Just consider me the mazda version of jessie jackson. (shurgs)

no..sounds like somewhere along the lines...a buy out needs to occur...which in 90% of those cases all 'management' is relieved of their duties...seems there are so MANY power trippy, itchy trigger-finger mods as well as beyond that level..god forbid I speculate and be "insta-banned"....and that is a HUGE reason in itself to make people leave...authority is good..but abuse of it is detrimental to any 'business'.

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no..sounds like somewhere along the lines...a buy out needs to occur...which in 90% of those cases all 'management' is relieved of their duties...seems there are so MANY power trippy, itchy trigger-finger mods as well as beyond that level..god forbid I speculate and be "insta-banned"....and that is a HUGE reason in itself to make people leave...authority is good..but abuse of it is detrimental to any 'business'.

Again, it seems like people left because they did not like the content...now you say people left cuse of the mods editing the content that was offensive(to the ones who left?)...so we have the same situation over there, right? People who want to post whatever they want, and people who want a "clean site" Really, I must be missing something!

I always found the mods here to be pretty good......

1) I'm a heckler. <shrug>

2) Whether some like it or not, that thong thread was still one of the best threads we have ever had in the lounge. It may not have been appropriate for this site, but it was still awesome. A couple of the new members on the other site were among the more enthusiastic posters on that thread, btw. I already apologized once for it, I won't do it again.

3) When everyone thinks the same, a forum is boring as hell. And a forum with 1/10 the members also has 1/10 the new ideas. Patting each other on the back gets old after a while. You need people like me and Ike to heckle folks, or it turns into a revival meeting. Yawn.

4) Some people left because of the content, some people left because of the administrative strife, some people left because of technical reasons, but the most honest people would admit that it was a combination of the above. Give them time, they will come back, for the reasons I posted above. Otherwise, they will eventually find that what they have created is what they have left....and what's the point in that, other than being "trendy." :rolleyes:

2) Whether some like it or not, that thong thread was still one of the best threads we have ever had in the lounge.

Yes it was!!

1) I'm a heckler. <shrug>

2) Whether some like it or not, that thong thread was still one of the best threads we have ever had in the lounge. It may not have been appropriate for this site, but it was still awesome. A couple of the new members on the other site were among the more enthusiastic posters on that thread, btw. I already apologized once for it, I won't do it again.

3) When everyone thinks the same, a forum is boring as hell. And a forum with 1/10 the members also has 1/10 the new ideas. Patting each other on the back gets old after a while. You need people like me and Ike to heckle folks, or it turns into a revival meeting. Yawn.

4) Some people left because of the content, some people left because of the administrative strife, some people left because of technical reasons, but the most honest people would admit that it was a combination of the above. Give them time, they will come back, for the reasons I posted above. Otherwise, they will eventually find that what they have created is what they have left....and what's the point in that, other than being "trendy." :rolleyes:

i needed my rx8 fix while the site was down, now i get my fix in two places :) double the 'no work' on m-f 9-5

Speak of the devil(s). :D

Agreed, BlueEyes, that thong thread was by far the best thread in ages. That chick on the bike was :drool:

Speak of the devil(s). :D

i never complained... nor swore off rx8club (it wouldnt load for a week)...i just missed everyone after the schism. if i wanna post so that everyone is included now i have to do it in two places...no big.

a few members were surprised at the free-wheeling style and the fun-loving characters with their witty/risque posts.
Gee Doc, I never expected you to be someone who would confuse 'inane, childish, and tediously repetitive' with 'witty'! :p

You need people like me and Ike to heckle folks, or it turns into a revival meeting.
Dear lord, you identify with Ike?? :eek: Now I know I was giving you waaaaay too much credit. ;) :D

Regards,
Gordon

LOL, gord. :D

...seems there are so MANY power trippy, itchy trigger-finger mods as well as beyond that level..god forbid I speculate and be "insta-banned"....and that is a HUGE reason in itself to make people leave...authority is good..but abuse of it is detrimental to any 'business'. Abuse? Again, there's that perception rearing it's ugly head. For the ump-teenth time to ALL, if you're STILL curious after 2 weeks and still haven't ferreted out at LEAST a hi-level rumor of what transpired, P-L-E-A-S-E wait until an announcement before you pass judgement, ok?

BTW= Anyone know where crow is on sale this week? We're gonna need a Costco/Sam's Club group-buy if this keeps up. :)

Anyone know where crow is on sale this week? We're gonna need a Costco/Sam's Club group-buy if this keeps up much longer. :)
I don't know where to buy it, but I can get you some. ;)

By the way, here (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125338&page=1&pp=25) is a link to the 46 page "attractive people thread" on an SVT forum. No more revealing than PG-13 or an SI swimsuit issue, carefully moderated, and oh so nice, for those of you who like that sort of thing. I recommend starting from the end to limit the red X's, since it is a 5 month old thread.

That is the kind of thing that I had in mind. If it is too risque for y'all, you can remove the link, but there are some folks who might enjoy it here.

Just for info purposes only, I have a credible reference...an e-mail from one of the main parties...still nothing to do with what I have stated the last two days. My issue was never with the site going down, I am not an advertiser and have no monetary stake in this site therefore did not complain (and even defended the admins on the RX-7 Club site when someone was ranting about poor sys admin and such) when the site went down only patiently waited for it's return.

Again, I like the site and enjoy the information shared here. Not really concerned about the "why" of what happened, just hope that the fix is a lasting one as I do not want to lose the great info and resources available here.

Best wishes to all involved. No hard feelings and all that.

I know you can, Doc. ;)

"attractive people" is hilarious, so covert, we should name our "not so ugly people"

LOL, gord. :D

Abuse? Again, there's that perception rearing it's ugly head. For the ump-teenth time to ALL, if you're STILL curious after 2 weeks and still haven't ferreted out at LEAST a hi-level rumor of what transpired, P-L-E-A-S-E wait until an announcement before you pass judgement, ok?

BTW= Anyone know where crow is on sale this week? We're gonna need a Costco/Sam's Club group-buy if this keeps up. :)

so maybe just maybe there will be a Raz, SO? (you coming back) thread after the dust settles and doc eats the last of the crow(since he can supply it) along with blue eyes and feras. j/k :D

yeah i pretty much dont care about any of this, i like rx8 forums period

yeah i pretty much dont care about any of this, i like rx8 forums period

me too. what the heck are you doing up this late> :D

so maybe just maybe there will be a Raz, SO? (you coming back) thread after the dust settles and doc eats the last of the crow(since he can supply it) along with blue eyes and feras. j/k :DI just said I can get it; y'all are going to have to eat it. :)

me too. what the heck are you doing up this late> :D

your right im going to bed, i have a whole lot of nothing to do at work tomorrow (i get to drive to pittsburgh mostly ;) )

I just said I can get it; y'all are going to have to eat it. :)

don't look at me when you say y'all i have no reason to have any crow. :D

your right im going to bed, i have a whole lot of nothing to do at work tomorrow (i get to drive to pittsburgh mostly ;) )

as meow used to say you suck. :D

This is where I can get you all the crow you want. The Randall's parking lot by my house. Every morning, seventy hundred gazillion crows gather to do whatever crows do. Just tell me how many you need. :D

(sorry for the poor quality, that's just my point and shoot camera)

This is where I can get you all the crow you want. The Randall's parking lot by my house. Every morning, seventy hundred gazillion crows gather to do whatever crows do.

They listen to the Master

They are obviously gathering for the dental office. They are very picky about their teeth.

They are obviously gathering for the dental office. They are very picky about their teeth.Funny you should mention the dental office. That is the former office of David Harris, the dentist adulterer who was run over (several times!) and killed in cold blood by his dentist wife in her Mercedes at the hotel where he was meeting his mistress (who was also his receptionist); after his wife and mistress had a catfight in the lobby, and while the private investigator who she hired to investigate him was video taping the whole thing...and his daughter was in the car with her!

Weird story, not for Aussies or other abbid-haters:

http://www.courttv.com/trials/harris/021203_ctv.html

(and yes, that is Andrea Yates' former attorney in the picture! He couldn't get this chick off either :eek: )