i'm looking for a new digital camera,i'm thinking about buying a SONY CYBER-SHOT DSC-W1 any other suggestions.

I just bought the Canon EOS digital Rebel SLR (http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=9430), and it is the best camera I have owned.

That's pretty pimp. My dad has this one (http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=8772). I got handed down his old Sony POS. :p

thanks for the input but i dont think i want 1 that big .it would be a pain in the ass to have to lug it around.i want more of a slim line.

Forget the W1. Go for the Sony DSC-P150. Igot my hands on a p150 and i dont regret it..

I have the Digital Rebel as well, I love it!

I have the Digital Rebel as well, I love it!isnt' it a pain to have to lug around the extra lens.i think being able to stick it in your pocket a pull it out to take a picture is a big bonus intead of having to carry around a big case.if you can post some pic's with your camera .thanks

I doubt there are consumer cameras with better optics than the Canon line.

i think abbid is going in the right direction .what do i gain buy gettin gthe rebel ,since it seems alot of you are leaning in that direction.

I just bought the Canon EOS digital Rebel SLR (http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=9430), and it is the best camera I have owned.

I just bought mine 3 weeks ago. For once Doc and I can agree on something.

isnt' it a pain to have to lug around the extra lens.i think being able to stick it in your pocket a pull it out to take a picture is a big bonus intead of having to carry around a big case.if you can post some pic's with your camera .thanksIt's nice to be able to change lenses if you want to, although I haven't bought any extra ones yet, I plan to get a telephoto lens soon. Here are a couple of pics, although the size limitations of the site restrict it a bit.

Jesus christ doc, nice house!

nice pic's doc,nice puusy you have there too,haha

Jesus christ doc, nice house!

...in Houston, a house like that runs about $75K

:p :p


fwiw, MOST people can get by without an SLR; unless one is doing LOTS of pics - and has the professional know-how to use a good digi-SLR, a standard compact digital can produce excellent results.

:)

I could put up a few examples taken on an UBER-Cheap 2 mp fuji which look GREAT...at 800x600. :D (beyond that, the flaws in the optics become quite visible)

I got a Panaosonic DMC-FX7, has the same size screen as the W1, but has a lithium-ion battery AND its's image stabilized. Only camera with a larger screen than 1.8" than has that. Check it out. Also I would debate that Canon has the best optics, sadly they seem to also have the slowest consumer cameras of all the brands that I deal with, I sell camera for a living.

I doubt there are consumer cameras with better optics than the Canon line.

NIKON

NIKON

dollar-for-dollar? I doubt it. :)

I agreee with Nick, Nikkor lenses are better than Canon on just about every camera that I have ever tested. Better fotos, and much less clunky.

It's nice to be able to change lenses if you want to, although I haven't bought any extra ones yet, I plan to get a telephoto lens soon. Here are a couple of pics, although the size limitations of the site restrict it a bit.

I just tried uploading some 3mb pics. Didn't work too well.

I bought the 28-135 lens with the USM and image stabilizer. The IS is nice. You can take handheld pictures at 1/8 sec and have dead-on sharp images. Of course, if you thought the Rebel was too large with a standard lens, this might put it well over the top for you.

My daughter got my Canon S50. I originally bought that one because I wanted something that travels easy. Here's why that camera (and others like it) get me frustrated:

1. The little cameras just don't have the same snappy autofocus. If you are taking motion shots, you press the button and you have no idea when the shutter goes. When you get to the pricier SLR cameras, they shoot pretty much when you want them to shoot.

2. There's a big difference in the image sensors. A 6 mp sensor in the S60 does not yield the same image as the 6 mp sensor in the Rebel. You will see a difference in noise and color. You can also run them at a much higher ISO setting.

3. Image stabilization. You can get that in some of the smaller cameras now, but the state-of-the-art comes in the lenses that attach to the SLRs.

4. Lens availability. Yeah, I know, that means even hundreds of dollars more. But the quality of the lens makes a big difference in the quality of your image.

I agreee with Nick, Nikkor lenses are better than Canon on just about every camera that I have ever tested. Better fotos, and much less clunky.


Better how? Could it be you simply took a 'better' picture, and the lens had nothing to do with it? Less clunky? I don't get it...most lenses approximate one-another in terms of physical size; assuming they are in the same class of lens (telephoto, etc.)

yeah, but the price tag that comes attached with SLR IS lenses normally makes people just buy a tripod, they are SUPER pricey. But going to the Digital Rebel is overkill unless you have prior experiance with film cameras, otherwise you won't touch what that camera can do. Besides the D70 is a better camera anyway

Clunkyness as far as the body of the camera. i.e. Coolpix 3200 vs A75. Which would you pick
for a nice small camera?

from what i've read optical lens gives you a better pictiure quality than digital .so how does the telephoto lens compare.do you lose pic quality.remember i'm not a professional nor do i want to be, i want the best camera for my money.

how much do you want to spend?

As far as slim/light cameras go, the Canon Elph series are great value for money.
The SD300 is smaller and lighter than the Sony CYBER-SHOT DSC-W1.
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=10599
thanks for the input but i dont think i want 1 that big .it would be a pain in the ass to have to lug it around.i want more of a slim line.

That Canon actually isn't bad deal, and I don't like Canon at all

Clunkyness as far as the body of the camera. i.e. Coolpix 3200 vs A75. Which would you pick
for a nice small camera?


I'd pick the A75 hands DOWN. It's not clunky in the least. :) It fits my hand quite well - AND Produces some AMAZING images for the money - I've seen them as low as $130.


How could you NOT like Canon? That's odd. I mean, that's like saying you don't like the RX8. :)

:D

how much do you want to spend?$500-800.i just cant see having to buy a really big camera when a smaller compac will do almost as much for what i'm going to be using it for /family vacation /cars/ect

As far as slim/light cameras go, the Canon Elph series are great value for money.
The SD300 is smaller and lighter than the Sony CYBER-SHOT DSC-W1.
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=10599thanks but i don't think i need to go below a 5 mega pix.if im wrong tell me so.

$500-800.i just cant see having to buy a really big camera when a smaller compac will do almost as much for what i'm going to be using it for /family vacation /cars/ect

here ya go:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong6/

:D

I also have a Sony DSC-U20 (http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/sony_u20.html) which fits in the palm of your hand, but is only 2 megapixels and has no zoom at all. It is fine for 600X800 pics, and simple point and shoot. I don't think they sell it anymore.

Sony has a credit card-size camera now that is 5 megapixels and has about a 6x zoom which looks really cool, about $450 I think. Here (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=172529&Sku=S08-3122) it is, might be what you are looking for.

I'm no expert, but I think most people aren't going to be able to tell the difference between Nikon and Canon pics. It's all about convenience, features, and price.

dmp with the responses that you give, have you ever used anything other that Canon? I have a ton of A85's and A95's returned because of their SUPER slow recycle time foto to foto. If you like that, then I could see how you would like the A series of cameras.
8's enought:
Go to www.panasonic.com and look at the lumix line, specifically the Z15 and the Z20.
12x optical zoom, Image stabilized, and a 1.8" LCD for right in the price range you were mentioning.

dmp yeah, have you used the G6? clunky. and a 4x optical for $699? lol great value for the money

thanks but i don't think i need to go below a 5 mega pix.if im wrong tell me so.


You're wrong, actually. High MP does not guarantee image quality. I'd rather have a 3mp Canon, than a 6MP Fuji, as an example. Having a big-MP camera mostly allows you to have HUGE pics. For MOST people - who can't print larger than, say, 8" wide, 2-4MP is FINE. Focus on the 'optics' of the camera....the camera which takes the best pics; not the camera with the highest MP rating.

that much I will agree with dmp. For example the Lecia lenses that Panasonic uses are vastly superior in quality to the "standard Canon lens" that you will see in most Canons

dmp yeah, have you used the G6? clunky. and a 4x optical for $699? lol great value for the money

You must have TINY hands.

And zooms are over-rated. Unesseccary. If you want crappy pictures, pay more for ZOOM ability, and less for clean, accurate image replication. ;)

dmp with the responses that you give, have you ever used anything other that Canon? I have a ton of A85's and A95's returned because of their SUPER slow recycle time foto to foto. If you like that, then I could see how you would like the A series of cameras.
8's enought:
Go to www.panasonic.com and look at the lumix line, specifically the Z15 and the Z20.
12x optical zoom, Image stabilized, and a 1.8" LCD for right in the price range you were mentioning.


I HAVE an A-Series camera, and I'll put the pics I take with it against ANY other user's camera on the forum...Once you figure in PRICE, I bet you'd be stunned. :D

I grew up using a Canon T70. I upgraded to an EOS Elan IIe, then a Fuji digital for 'around the house' images, now I use an A75. It's not clucky for people with adult-sized hands. My daughter can use it - she's 5.

I had the G3, which is basically the same size and I sold it and got that Panasonic FX-7 that I mentioned. It got to the point where I needed to tote around a camera bag to have all my stuff to take fotos, which made me use my camera less. Now that I have a pocket cam I take it everywhere with me, so I will use it more. As far as hands go, I'm 6'1", so the tiny hands wouldnt really apply

For example the Lecia lenses that Panasonic uses are vastly superior in quality to the "standard Canon lens" that you will see in most Canons


:rolleyes:

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I upgraded from a Canon Power Shot S50 (which took really good pictures by the way). And it was an upgrade. This camera feels and performs much better than the S50 which now seems more like a toy. Very easy to use, the flash is much better than my Canon (no red-eye problem), the auto focus is much faster, and the 12X zoom is amazing. No regrets on this purchase. Why would anyone buy any other 5MP camera?
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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=panasonic_dmcfz20&opinion=24720

If you think you'll need 5 megapixels consider the Canon S500. Slightly bigger and heavier.
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=9825
If you wish to have a larger optical zoom, have a look at the Olympus C-770; 10x optical zoom and many manual functions that you would not get on the smaller cameras. But it won't fit iin your pocket though.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4502-6501_7-0.html?tag=dir.oly&1000036id=6250974

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Panasonics line with the Leica lens' are far superior than plain old Canon. I like the versatility of the Digi SLR but the QUALITY from the Leica lens just blows away even my Sony DSC-F828 w/ Zeiss lens..

if you could afford an actual Leica camera...you'd be pretty much at superior quality...

Here is another thread you might be interested in with some Leica pics.

The Baller knows his high end toys. :D

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=21898

You must have TINY hands.

And zooms are over-rated. Unesseccary. If you want crappy pictures, pay more for ZOOM ability, and less for clean, accurate image replication. ;)

38mm fixed focal length pictures are overrated :p

If you think you'll need 5 megapixels consider the Canon S500. Slightly bigger and heavier.
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=9825
If you wish to have a larger optical zoom, have a look at the Olympus C-770; 10x optical zoom and many manual functions that you would not get on the smaller cameras. But it won't fit iin your pocket though.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4502-6501_7-0.html?tag=dir.oly&1000036id=6250974


Olympus = Good chit. :)

damn, leica cameras are way out of my price range but they look like they are the top of the line .i just cant justify spending 2k on a camera.

Baller definetly knows his stuff. He must have a ton of money too, Leica cameras are NOT cheap

dollar-for-dollar? I doubt it. :)

You said, "I doubt there are consumer cameras with better optics than the Canon line." And there is: Nikon. And even then, I would say, better dollar-for-dollar :)

You said, "I doubt there are consumer cameras with better optics than the Canon line." And there is: Nikon. And even then, I would say, better dollar-for-dollar :)

Firstly, I 'typed', I didn't 'say'. :)

And yes - model for model, I doubt there are consumer cameras whith better optics than the Canon line (of cameras offer). You can subjectively state 'nikon' - that's fine.

just went to circuit city during lunch and saw the panasonic DMCFZ3 which has the 12x optic lens i think this might be the 1 i get .

the z3 is a super nice camera, has an awesome burst mode if you are looking to do action shots. hey 8's whereabout do u live?

the z3 is a super nice camera, has an awesome burst mode if you are looking to do action shots. hey 8's whereabout do u live?north carolina

just wondering, because the store that i work at i can get you one for prob cheaper than what they have at circuit and i could ups it to ya

just wondering, because the store that i work at i can get you one for prob cheaper than what they have at circuit and i could ups it to yagive me the details and what kind of deals you have .you can pm me if you would rather.thanks

I bought a Kodak DX6490 (http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/dx6490.html) last year. The 10X optical lense is pretty nice. It came in handy on a whale watch my wife and I went on last year in Massachusettes. I wanted a SLR body, but didn't want to pay SLR prices. I got it for around $375. They have a 5MP version now called the DX7590. It's virtually the same camera, just a higher resolution.

It takes pretty nice pictures. Too bad the guy behind the camera sucks at photography. :p

i thought you were looking for a 5-megapixel camera that you could fit in your pocket. :confused:
But the Z3 seems like a very nice camera if 3 megapixels and size/weight do no matter.
just went to circuit city during lunch and saw the panasonic DMCFZ3 which has the 12x optic lens i think this might be the 1 i get .

i thought you were looking for a 5-megapixel camera that you could fit in your pocket. :confused:
But the Z3 seems like a very nice camera if 3 megapixels and size/weight do no matter.i think with the 12x lens i should get the same if not better results than a 5meapix.i did want one to fit in my pocket but thats not going to happen.

Not necessarily, unless the Leica zoom lens IS really that good.
Generally speaking, a fixed focal length lens or a short zoom lens will give you better picture quality than than a long zoom lens.
i think with the 12x lens i should get the same if not better results than a 5meapix.i did want one to fit in my pocket but thats not going to happen.

I'd pick the A75 hands DOWN. It's not clunky in the least. :) It fits my hand quite well - AND Produces some AMAZING images for the money - I've seen them as low as $130
:D
I second that comment. I took a vacation to Hong Kong in November and took my Canon Powershot A75 for the pictures you see in this thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=49499). Best bang for the buck in my opinion. I believe it has the biggest screen in all the Powershot series. The Powershot A90 or 95 (can't remember) has a smaller screen but it folds up to protect it during transportation.

I second that comment. I took a vacation to Hong Kong in November and took my Canon Powershot A75 for the pictures you see in this thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=49499). Best bang for the buck in my opinion. I believe it has the biggest screen in all the Powershot series. The Powershot A90 or 95 (can't remember) has a smaller screen but it folds up to protect it during transportation.that is some awesome pictures.it might make me think twice about what to buy .no i am confused.thanks alot.j/k

Firstly, I 'typed', I didn't 'say'. :)

And yes - model for model, I doubt there are consumer cameras whith better optics than the Canon line (of cameras offer). You can subjectively state 'nikon' - that's fine.

My statement was subjective? I recall saying the same thing twice, instead of taking a different argument (value; before it was strictly about quality) as soon as somebody questioned me.

You are obviously nothing more than a cookie-cutter liberal trying to force your opinion on me.




:D

My statement was subjective? I recall saying the same thing twice, instead of taking a different argument (value; before it was strictly about quality) as soon as somebody questioned me.

You are obviously nothing more than a cookie-cutter liberal trying to force your opinion on me.




:D


Hey now - Don't be forcing your alternative lifestyle on ME!!

well 8's u let me know what camera u are interested in and if we sell it ill see what i can do for ya on price. i can pretty much assure u that it will be better than what CC will offer ya

I second that comment. I took a vacation to Hong Kong in November and took my Canon Powershot A75 for the pictures you see in this thread (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=49499). Best bang for the buck in my opinion. I believe it has the biggest screen in all the Powershot series. The Powershot A90 or 95 (can't remember) has a smaller screen but it folds up to protect it during transportation.

Just to be a devil's advocate... there are quite a lot of purple fringing on those white flourescent lights.

:D

But I like the night shots. They came out pretty good.

yep after reading the reviews i think i'm going to have to get the panasonic z3.unless someone can talk me out of it .it think it the best one for the money on the market.

well 8's u let me know what camera u are interested in and if we sell it ill see what i can do for ya on price. i can pretty much assure u that it will be better than what CC will offer ya


Hey - do you sell the Nikon D70?? :D

course we do, both the kit with the nikkor lens and body alone

course we do, both the kit with the nikkor lens and body alone

How much do you sell it for, body + lens?

the nikkor lens with the d70 body is 1299 and there is a $100 rebate thru nikon.

hey BLUE, now i'm really confused i went over to the camera forum and i am now considering aF20 OR aG6.which one?hell before its all over with i might have to bight the bullet and get the REBEL.

the nikon 5200 is a small great quality camera. i wrote a short review on it here (http://www.epinions.com/content_147507220100). as for the pro stuff, i'm in love with the d70.

well 8's, if you are going to look at the G6, you might want to spring for the extra cash and get the Digital Rebel, there isn't a huge price jump between cameras, and the Digital Rebel is a way better camera than the G6. Just be aware that it is bigger, and will definitly be bigger and will require a regular camera case if you are planning on having more than 1 lens for it, which will end up happening.

thanks for the input but i dont think i want 1 that big .it would be a pain in the ass to have to lug it around.i want more of a slim line.

Good point. A camera that's too clunky to take with you isn't going to take many good shots. Consider the Minolta DiMAGE X series. I hardly ever took a camera anywhere until I got this. It truly fits in a pocket, yet has a 3X optical zoom and the lens never protrudes from the body. Pretty neat trick. Having an optical zoom very often will give you a better shot than a higher pixel-count camera without it. Photo quality seems fine. Get a 256MB card for it and you're set.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/minolta/dimage_xi-review/camera-inhand.jpg

A review: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/minolta/dimage_xi-review/

This was a couple years ago; they probably have a newer/smaller/better model by now ;)

Here's a sample photo (much downsized, of course from the 2048x1536 original)

I have an oylmpus 550 which has a 10x optic i just gave my daughter which was 1 hell of a camera .but now i'm thinking about going bigger since i could always borrow hers if i didnt want to care it around.since i had the 10x i want something alittle better for burst shots and movie clips.

for burst mode and long zoom without being huge the Panasonic Z3 is a hell of a camera.

hey blue,i'm not going to try to be a professional photographer i just want crisp clear pictures, what would i gain by buying the F20 vs the F3.besides being able to add lens which i doubt i need to at this point .

i dont know if you knew this, but they do make a 4 MP, thats the F15. That might be the happy medium for ya between the Z3 and the Z20. Same body style as the Z20, but without the hot shoe, which I doubt you would use.

I've been hoping to get the Nikon Coolpix 8700. The 8800 was in the Top 10 list from PC World Magazine. :D

well, 8's, if you have any more questions feel free to either PM me or post back in thread