So is anybody in the ACLU crowd going to support this scumbag? Were his rights violated? Think the family went too far?

In prison, he will get the ultimate justice.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=409745&page=1

Oh come on doc, who DOESN'T have a knife, pillows, and duct tape in the back of their car? ;)

^ I sure as hell don't. But I got a pack of road rage that is just as dangerous :D

Seriously though, that psycho needs to be locked up. I don't understand how people like that could never stop and think about what they're doing. Geez, 14 years old! I guess a guy with a thread for a pecker could never get a girl his age.

I hope he gets a bad lawyer in court. Put our tax money to better things.

Why call the cops. They could have taken him and his car to a remote location and "Interogated" him using his knife, pillows and whatever else they could find. Heh, I would have given a dollar to be there.

That's not cool. When Shelley and I first started dating, she would walk home from school, only to be constantly harassed by a group of guys in their late 20s. She was about 15 at the time. Not cool, especially when the girl is with me. Luckily, she stopped me before I could get my lighter fluid, matches, and machete...

Seriously, I'd let the police handle it. What if you caught the wrong guy? Not only would your face be red with embarassment, you'd probably be the one to get a hot beef injection when your ass gets hauled for assault.

won't be long till we here on the news about the ACLU defending this piece of crap. and i do have to agree with theCATALYST, the "interogation" part would be just what that man needed. in any case, he got what was coming to him. i am a person who HATES sexual predators like this man, assuming he was. i hope all rapists, sexual stalkers, and sexual abusers all rot in hell. sorry for the rant. this man will get his in prison.

Im not so confident they will do anything to this guy, unless he has a prior history. No actual crime has been committed, except for intent, which would be hard to prove. A steakknife, duct tape, and pillow cases seem like damning evidence, but they dont say what else was in the trunk along with it. The guy could have been living out of his car afterall. Might have also had clothes, shoes, plates and stuff like this in the trunk as well.

Tigerfootball, I don't blame you for your position on sex offenders. They are the worst criminals, other than remorseless murderers. If they think they're so domineering, why not put these people on the front lines of war?

I think "Lifers" in prison locked up for numerous murders should be given the chance to serve their country and continue killing on the front lines of war. Kill two birds with one stone I think. Give them a chance to snuff out life, and yet be for a purpose rather then enjoyment. Again I say they should be given a choice, not forced.

Tigerfootball, I don't blame you for your position on sex offenders. They are the worst criminals, other than remorseless murderers. If they think they're so domineering, why not put these people on the front lines of war?Nothing is worse than fighting along side someone who doesn't want to be there and can't be trusted.

Im not so confident they will do anything to this guy, unless he has a prior history. No actual crime has been committed, except for intent, which would be hard to prove. A steakknife, duct tape, and pillow cases seem like damning evidence, but they dont say what else was in the trunk along with it. The guy could have been living out of his car afterall. Might have also had clothes, shoes, plates and stuff like this in the trunk as well.
I hope you are wrong, but I see your point.

In California, the guy would probably be set free tomorrow, and the family arrested for assault and later sued by the guy. In Texas, I have a feeling we would find a way to put him down somehow. ;)

I don't know about Florida.

Nothing is worse than fighting along side someone who doesn't want to be there and can't be trusted.

Touche.

I hope you are wrong, but I see your point.

In California, the guy would probably be set free tomorrow, and the family arrested for assault and later sued by the guy. In Texas, I have a feeling we would find a way to put him down somehow. ;)

I don't know about Florida.

Yup, he'd be a "Gone Goose" in our state.

That's pretty scary. I had a close call like that myself about 10 years ago. I had my 3-year-old son's wading pool in the front yard, and he was splashing around in it while I was cleaning out the garage. You couldn't see in my garage from the street, but I could see my son. All of a sudden he stopped playing and stood up in the pool, and was looking toward the street. I saw his lips moving. After watching him for a few moments, I walked out of the garage, and saw a red Jeep SUV pulled up to the curb, the passenger side door open. When the driver saw me, he closed the door and pulled away quickly. At first I didn't think anything of it, but about 10 seconds later, the hair stood up on my neck when I realized what was going on. Later, I was mad at myself for not figuring it out right away and getting the license number.

If any of you have small children, please don't let them out of your sight - it would only take about 30 seconds for someone to take off with your child.

That's pretty scary. I had a close call like that myself about 10 years ago. I had my 3-year-old son's wading pool in the front yard, and he was splashing around in it while I was cleaning out the garage. You couldn't see in my garage from the street, but I could see my son. All of a sudden he stopped playing and stood up in the pool, and was looking toward the street. I saw his lips moving. After watching him for a few moments, I walked out of the garage, and saw a red Jeep SUV pulled up to the curb, the passenger side door open. When the driver saw me, he closed the door and pulled away quickly. At first I didn't think anything of it, but about 10 seconds later, the hair stood up on my neck when I realized what was going on. Later, I was mad at myself for not figuring it out right away and getting the license number.

If any of you have small children, please don't let them out of your sight - it would only take about 30 seconds for someone to take off with your child.

THAT IS SCARY. Im am happy it all turned out good for you and your son. Could have been so much worse.

I got really lucky once

I was about 4yrs old and was waiting for my babysitter's daughter to pick me up from kindergarden. It was raining and I was standing under a shelter. A man pointed to me and beckoned me to come. Stupid kid that I was, I went (this may have been before my parents gave me the old talk about strangers). I got in his car and he said where do you live? I cant remember what I said but he ended up driving me to my babysitter's untouched! Needless to say, my babysitter was shocked because her daughter couldnt find me.... babysitter told my parents what happened and they both freaked out but were thankful I was alive.

Who knows... maybe the guy was just being nice... but I really dont remember what I said to him about how to get to my babysitters and I dont think a 4yr old would be able to give proper directions.. maybe he was watching me for a while?.. who knows? all I know is I'm one lucky SOB.

my wife told me a similar story about one of her neighbors years back:

A very nice couple and their grown son lived in the
house. The father owned some sort of small company.
His wife didn't work outside the home. The son was
very nice, full time job, gf, etc., just hadn't moved
out yet at 22 or so. One day the father comes home
sees a strange car in his driveway and hears noise
in the house but does not see his wife. Something
makes him suspicious, so instead of calling out for
her, he goes outside again, tiptoes around the house,
and sees a broken cellar window in the back. He looks
in each window and finally sees his wife tied, spreadeagle,
to their bed! The nightstand has been cleared off and
a white towel lies across the top, with a bunch of
knives laid out like a surgery table. The husband
doesn't think twice. He opens the back door and runs
into the bedroom and beat the intruder really, really
bad. It was some kid the guy fired a few days before.
He was there to get some sort of revenge on his boss.
Of course he was arrested, but six months later was
let off on probation because it was his first offense.
He did not come back to that house. I guess he was
scared. But even if he did, the family sold the place
(and their business) and moved far, far away.

Such is a sad world we have to live in and put up with crappy people like this. Glad the family took action.

Although I don't agree with vigilante justice, sometimes, things has to be done. I think in these cases, even if it was reported to the police, nothing would've been done because of lack of evidence and such and the police would've been powerless. There's a fine line between too much liberty and authoritarianism, i think in this case, the police would have their hands tied when it's needed. And if ACLU gets on this case, that family's screwed!

So is anybody in the ACLU crowd going to support this scumbag? Were his rights violated? Think the family went too far?

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Nope, not me... if what the girl described was true.

But -- (Investigators told ABC News affiliate WFTS-TV in Tampa that the teenager said she had seen the same man drive past her bus stop several times over the last few weeks, both in the mornings and afternoons. She said he sometimes stopped to ask her where she was going or to tell her how nice she looked, police said.

On Wednesday, the girl told her parents that the man had become more aggressive, pulling in front of her and opening the door in an attempt to get her to go with him.) --
Why didn't the family call the police right away as soon as their daughter told them a strange man had accosted her? It might have been better to have the cops right there around the corner waiting for the perv to do his thing and let them handle it.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with risking the chances of charges of assault when it comes to saving a family member like that.

In California, the guy would probably be set free tomorrow, and the family arrested for assault and later sued by the guy.

Oh, c'mon, Doc, not EVERYONE in Kalifornia is crazy! :p

I probably would have done the same as the family members in this case. Maybe in retrospect, they could have handled it differently, but they sure as hell don't deserve any punishment for what amounts to a case of self-defense by proxy on behalf of the girl.

From reading the article it sounds like the gentleman actually has a strong case against the two family members that assaulted him. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually won with charges of assault against the two family members. Pre-meditated crimes are not convictable and it does not sound like the two gentleman were acting in self defense. But then again, you don't get the whole story from just reading a news article.

From reading the article it sounds like the gentleman actually has a strong case against the two family members that assaulted him. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually won with charges of assault against the two family members. Pre-meditated crimes are not convictable and it does not sound like the two gentleman were acting in self defense. But then again, you don't get the whole story from just reading a news article.

Much depends on what actually happened when the father and uncle attempted to detain the suspect, i.e., who started the scuffle. Perhaps no one will really know, but it's unlikely that the D.A. would bring charges against the relatives without strong evidence that they initiated a pre-emptive attack on the suspect rather than simply detaining him.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with risking the chances of charges of assault when it comes to saving a family member like that.

Amen to that.

Apparently they are going to charge him with stalking, a felony with a ten year prison sentence.

Oh, c'mon, Doc, not EVERYONE in Kalifornia is crazy! :p
From reading the article it sounds like the gentleman actually has a strong case against the two family members that assaulted him. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually won with charges of assault against the two family members.
Good timing. I rest my case. :p

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with risking the chances of charges of assault when it comes to saving a family member like that.
From reading the article it sounds like the gentleman actually has a strong case against the two family members that assaulted him. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually won with charges of assault against the two family members. Pre-meditated crimes are not convictable and it does not sound like the two gentleman were acting in self defense. But then again, you don't get the whole story from just reading a news article.
So convenient seeing both these posts on the same page. :)

Nick - I agree wholeheartedly with you.

As far as prosecuting the two family members, remember that they would be in front of a jury of citizens. If the facts of the case are along the lines that the report suggests, and the stalker has a previous record, I can't see a sane district attorney bringing charges against the family members. I could see some guy in the jury now: "They beat up a guy who was aggressively stalking a young girl? So what's the problem?"

You can really only charge this guy with maybe stalking a minor. That will be hard to convince a jury. I say he should be shot. The hard part is going to be trying to convince a jury that the tape, rope, knife and pillow case was intended for that victim. If it wasn't, that evidence will be thrown out. The tape, rope, knife, and pillow case were in seperate locations in the car. So to say it was for intended purposes will be tough. Yes i know what he wanted to do but I am talking about what is real. The only bad part about this will be if the guy is not convicted then the suspect and his lawyer can turn around and sew the victims father for false imprisonment and aggravated battery.

As far as prosecuting the two family members, remember that they would be in front of a jury of citizens. If the facts of the case are along the lines that the report suggests, and the stalker has a previous record, I can't see a sane district attorney bringing charges against the family members. I could see some guy in the jury now: "They beat up a guy who was aggressively stalking a young girl? So what's the problem?"

uummmm.... thats not how the laws and judicial system work... they really like to go by the book and don't like to get personal feelings of "right" and "wrong" involved.


We all know wht this guy had in mind but the evidence just aint there... nothing solid enough... as police 34 said... best you could get him for is stalking a minor but even that may be a little tough. Unfortunately, you cant make statements as bolded above and think that its actually going to save you in court... thats just not the way it works. and sad to say.. this stalker has a STRONG case... he was at an intersection "minding his own business" and all of a sudden he was the victim of a random assualt thats all the court will be able to see; even the dumbest lawyer in the state could prosecute that

the "system" is definitely screwed up

uummmm.... thats not how the laws and judicial system work... they really like to go by the book and don't like to get personal feelings of "right" and "wrong" involved.


We all know wht this guy had in mind but the evidence just aint there... nothing solid enough... as police 34 said... best you could get him for is stalking a minor but even that may be a little tough. Unfortunately, you cant make statements as bolded above and think that its actually going to save you in court... thats just not the way it works. and sad to say.. this stalker has a STRONG case... he was at an intersection "minding his own business" and all of a sudden he was the victim of a random assualt thats all the court will be able to see; even the dumbest lawyer in the state could prosecute that

the "system" is definitely screwed up
Sad but true.

If that was my kid I think I would have done the same if not worse. Why would the ACLU defend this guy, I don't get that?

If he get's out he better move, I just hope he does not file a lawsuit later on. You know how crazy this world is.

I think the ACLU was mentioned by us, not in the article. The guy would have to be pretty ballsy to file charges against the family, but he probably could do it and prevail. More likely, this guy's not at all ballsy, and he'll get out of town and try again elsewhere. :(