Guys/Gals,

I know there have been a bunch of rumors floating around on a new RX-7. I went to the horses mouth today. Went to visit a friend of mine who happens to work at a Mazda Dealership. While I was there I ran into a Mazda North America rep who was there trying to sell the GM of the dealership into participating in the Mazdaspeed program. Well, I managed to talk to the rep about a few things concerning the RX-8. Here was what we talked about:

First question I asked was about the Mazdaspeed Mazda 6 having more power than the RX-8. I told him this may be a problem with the RX-8 being the flagship car for Mazda. His responce was that before the Mazdaspeed 6 comes out the RX-8 will get a needed 'pick me up', his words. He couldn't elaborate anymore on that subject.

Second question I asked him was about any other rotory models coming out, specifially a 2 door rotory that ends in 7. Again, he kind of danced around the question but finally coughed up that a 2door rotory with a larger displacement engine is in the works and IS slated for release for the 2006 model year. He wouldn't tell me what it was called, but I could only guess that it's the RX-7 reborn.

Anyhow, I suppose the safe thing to do is take this with a grain of salt. However, why would a Mazda North America rep bend the truth? Hopefuly both are going to be true.

-Jon

According to this article, the 7 is a done deal for 2006:
http://motoring.nzoom.com/motoring_detail/0,2734,218365-388-389,00.html

According to this article, the 7 is a done deal for 2006:
http://motoring.nzoom.com/motoring_detail/0,2734,218365-388-389,00.html

I thought people on this forum were discounting that as a rumor?

Hmm.. 225kW.. that's about 303hp.. not bad ;)

in 10 years ill sell teh 8 maybe and buy the new 7 woot.

in 10 years ill sell teh 8 maybe and buy the new 7 woot.

I was just thinking the same thing. Great minds think alike.

so in 2006 Mazda will still be producing the RX-8 AND also the new RX-7?

WOOT. But think of it like this the rx1 will have like 600 hp the way mazda seems to work.

so in 2006 Mazda will still be producing the RX-8 AND also the new RX-7?

I think it's still up in the air. I just started this thread to let you guys know what the Mazda North America rep I spoke to told me. I think he would be a pretty reputable source of information :) I am not even sure if they will call it an RX-7, he wouldn't tell me what the car would be called, just that a 2 door rotory is definately in the works.

Stop the Insanity!

I think it's still up in the air. I just started this thread to let you guys know what the Mazda North America rep I spoke to told me. I think he would be a pretty reputable source of information :) I am not even sure if they will call it an RX-7, he wouldn't tell me what the car would be called, just that a 2 door rotory is definately in the works.
i see...

More power for the 8? Hmm... wider rotors or a bada$$ port job sounds good to me. I like N/A.

BS...Mazda NA operations doesn't know jack...FAR FAR too much R&D went into the Renesis...if anything I'd expect a MS 8 in the future with FI...

I don't believe anything that anyone says at any dealership.

Guys/Gals,

I know there have been a bunch of rumors floating around on a new RX-7. I went to the horses mouth today. Went to visit a friend of mine who happens to work at a Mazda Dealership. While I was there I ran into a Mazda North America rep who was there trying to sell the GM of the dealership into participating in the Mazdaspeed program. Well, I managed to talk to the rep about a few things concerning the RX-8. Here was what we talked about:

First question I asked was about the Mazdaspeed Mazda 6 having more power than the RX-8. I told him this may be a problem with the RX-8 being the flagship car for Mazda. His responce was that before the Mazdaspeed 6 comes out the RX-8 will get a needed 'pick me up', his words. He couldn't elaborate anymore on that subject.

Second question I asked him was about any other rotory models coming out, specifially a 2 door rotory that ends in 7. Again, he kind of danced around the question but finally coughed up that a 2door rotory with a larger displacement engine is in the works and IS slated for release for the 2006 model year. He wouldn't tell me what it was called, but I could only guess that it's the RX-7 reborn.

Anyhow, I suppose the safe thing to do is take this with a grain of salt. However, why would a Mazda North America rep bend the truth? Hopefuly both are going to be true.

-Jon


How could the 8 get a needed"Pick me up" before the MS6 comes out?I ask because the MS6 is slated for this upcoming summer as a release,and the RX-8 will not even be in a normal production phase(due to the fire),let alone a re-tooling to give it more power.

I can't discredit any info as far as the 2 door rotary is concerned,but the RX-8 getting more power before the MS6 comes out seems unlikely,and as far as larger displacement is concerned I would bet instead of wider rotors it would have 3 rotors instead of 2,but I find that highly unlikely as well.I will wait to see.

How could the 8 get a needed"Pick me up" before the MS6 comes out?I ask because the MS6 is slated for this upcoming summer as a release,and the RX-8 will not even be in a normal production phase(due to the fire),let alone a re-tooling to give it more power.

Hold on man, don't need to jump down my throat for just relaying information I was told.. Hell it could be something they do to the RX-8 at port, like when they put on all the accesseries and crap like that




BS...Mazda NA operations doesn't know jack...FAR FAR too much R&D went into the Renesis...if anything I'd expect a MS 8 in the future with FI...

I don't believe anything that anyone says at any dealership.

Oh my bad.. I suppose that the Mazdaspeed representative doesn't know what he is talking about.. man.. the glass really is half empty for you isn't it? ;) j/k

the RX-8 will not even be in a normal production phase(due to the fire),let alone a re-tooling to give it more power.


Why would you think that you'd have to re-tool to install a higher output engine? They may have to change a few small things here and there, but they wouldn't have to change much.

I think the most positive reinforcement of a new RX-7 was in a recent Car & Driver where they said a new RX-7 WILL be made as opposed to "could be" or "maybe". A larger displacement engine is the way to go IMO. How about a nice NA 2.0L with 360hp?

This alleged 'pick me up' could be in the form of an ECU reflash. That is the only plausible explanation of more power or whatever before the MS6 comes out.

Well....Here's to optimizm!!
http://www.serve.com/zozzles/Evelyn/Glass.jpg

^ You show us a half-empty glass and expect us to be optimistic??? :p

Hold on man, don't need to jump down my throat for just relaying information I was told.. Hell it could be something they do to the RX-8 at port, like when they put on all the accesseries and crap like that









I didn't intend to jump down your throat.I was just being sceptical about what you were told.I don't believe the RX-8 will get any more power between now and summer,which is only 5 months away.Especially with the fire I mentioned at the plant effectivly shutting down production of the car.Plus they would piss off a whole bunch of 04 and early 05 owners by giving the new 05 from here til summer a boost in power.

I don't doubt the RX-8 will get a boost in power at some time,but I am sceptical it will be so soon.I think maybe this guy was just telling you what you wanted to hear.I also feel it is a mistake to give the MS6 more power,and AWD before the RX-8(their flagship and highest priced car)gets more power,and more refinment,especially seeing as the MS6 will be cheaper,and perform better.

Bad Move Mazda

Oh yeah I do love my car by the way even being lowish on power compared to other cars,but I may get a MS6 when my lease is up in 06.If the prices are what the magazines are projecting I bet Mazda has a hit on there hands with the MS6.

I love the rotary,and own several of them,but the idea of a direct-injected turbo-charged AWD car that hauls more people,and stuff is quite compeling,especially at the price.

Again I am sorry if I came off as jumping down your throat,that wasn't my intention.

I didn't intend to jump down your throat.I was just being sceptical about what you were told.I don't believe the RX-8 will get any more power between now and summer,which is only 5 months away.Especially with the fire I mentioned at the plant effectivly shutting down production of the car.Plus they would piss off a whole bunch of 04 and early 05 owners by giving the new 05 from here til summer a boost in power.

I don't doubt the RX-8 will get a boost in power at some time,but I am sceptical it will be so soon.I think maybe this guy was just telling you what you wanted to hear.I also feel it is a mistake to give the MS6 more power,and AWD before the RX-8(their flagship and highest priced car)gets more power,and more refinment,especially seeing as the MS6 will be cheaper,and perform better.

Bad Move Mazda

Oh yeah I do love my car by the way even being lowish on power compared to other cars,but I may get a MS6 when my lease is up in 06.If the prices are what the magazines are projecting I bet Mazda has a hit on there hands with the MS6.

I love the rotary,and own several of them,but the idea of a direct-injected turbo-charged AWD car that hauls more people,and stuff is quite compeling,especially at the price.

Again I am sorry if I came off as jumping down your throat,that wasn't my intention.

No worries man, I was having a rough morning ;)

Oh my bad.. I suppose that the Mazdaspeed representative doesn't know what he is talking about.. man.. the glass really is half empty for you isn't it? ;) j/k

Well, the Mazdaspeed Reps at the SEMA show didn't know jack, so a "salesman" for Mazdaspeed wouldn't impress me either. I think we all know salesmen are the least reliable source of info.

he wasn't a salesmen for the dealership.. he was a rep from MNA to get the dealer to renew their mazdaspeed status. heh.. but like I said, I'm just informing whoever cares about what I was told.. i'm a 'believe it when i see it' type person, so i'll hold my opinions on what's coming to myself

Sounds like a tell-you-what-you-want-to-hear guy to me

Glass is not half empty, it's half FULL! ;)

RX8Power

it's half FULL, and ALL FULL of s***!

Here's my idea of a 2-door rotary coupe, be it a 7 or an 8:
http://www.fablecollection.com/design07 copy.jpg
:)

A better flash would make sense if the rep is speaking the truth. Some people have reported decent gains, and I wouldn't be suprised if they were able to flash it back up to 247hp.

You guys are ignoring the half truth spoken by the rep. Don't forget that the new Miata is being tested with a rotary. He never said the car would be called an RX-anything, just that there would be a 2 door rotary.........

I would say that Mazda would have one hell of an issue on their hands with existing 8 owners if nothing happens before the Mazdaspeed 6 hits.

I remember somewhere on this forum that there was a flash in the works to bring it up to original advertised horsepower. That still would not be enough?!

Hey guys, I got my new name....rx7wannahave...LOL


philodox,

Thanks for shareing, if it comes true or not...time will tell, but I normally wait before getting excited about stuff.

I agree that a significant HP gain for the RX8 before the MS6 just seems unrealistic, while I pray and hope it comes true. I would love Mazda to call me back and say...

"Hey, do you want another 35HP...." only In my dreams I think.

That RX7 looks real nice and while I would love to have it, I still need my back seats so it would not take me away from my baby. IF anything, the good news about a RX7 for us RX8 people would be that we could swap the 7's engine for the 8's giving us another 75HP WITHOUT SC/Turbo. If the RX8 or RX7 even made 300HP out of the box, 400HP would not be completely unrealistic.

It seems that this club needs an investiagtor, or someone that could get us a contact at Mazda. Someone that really does know what is going on and could give us updates n stuff, of course that person would be would be known simply as Mr. X....anyone reading out there, help us please...

Meanwhile, I'll keep enjoying my baby for everything it already is...and continue to drool at it's potential. 1.6L twin rotary....just lovely...if it can maintain 18/24 or something similar because if it was 13/19 that would just SUCK!

I don't doubt the RX-8 will get a boost in power at some time,but I am sceptical it will be so soon.I think maybe this guy was just telling you what you wanted to hear.I also feel it is a mistake to give the MS6 more power,and AWD before the RX-8(their flagship and highest priced car)gets more power,and more refinment,especially seeing as the MS6 will be cheaper,and perform better.
Bad Move Mazda

Oh yeah I do love my car by the way even being lowish on power compared to other cars,but I may get a MS6 when my lease is up in 06.If the prices are what the magazines are projecting I bet Mazda has a hit on there hands with the MS6.

I love the rotary,and own several of them,but the idea of a direct-injected turbo-charged AWD car that hauls more people,and stuff is quite compeling,especially at the price.

Again I am sorry if I came off as jumping down your throat,that wasn't my intention.Everything I've read about the MS6 indicates to me that it does not perform better than the 8, especially if it were on a track. The car weighs like 3500 lbs.

I would say that Mazda would have one hell of an issue on their hands with existing 8 owners if nothing happens before the Mazdaspeed 6 hits.

I remember somewhere on this forum that there was a flash in the works to bring it up to original advertised horsepower. That still would not be enough?!

I disagree that Mazda would have any issue on their hands. With the exception of the earliest buyers, everyone knew that their car was advertised at 238 hp. To expect anything more would be unprecedented in the industry.

It would also be poor judgement on Mazda's part to limit their vehicle lineup to less than 238 hp simply to keep the 8 as the "power leader". Not a smart move in order to keep up with their competition.

If I had to bet, there will probably be a new MY RX-8 with more power, or a new vehicle altogether (Miata, RX-7 or whatever) that outperforms the MS6. But us existing owners will be SOL, unless we want to sell our 8s and buy a new car. Just my guess.

Everything I've read about the MS6 indicates to me that it does not perform better than the 8, especially if it were on a track. The car weighs like 3500 lbs.


Agree totally, just read this months mags and the previews of the M6. Basically an upmarket 6, NOT, and NEVER intended to be anything like an EVO or STI beater. Too heavy, too high, too slow, way to much understeer. Not to mention IMHO it looks... well... a little too busy and frumpy... heck might as well say it... just like the EVO and STI :D

I say frumpy because they seem to have grafted the 8's front image below the hood line, then stuck a modified 8's tailend on the back. It just looks well... not very good. :(

as far as larger displacement is concerned...
Note: Mazda engineers have released several ASE "white papers" regarding the widening of the rotors by 10mm.

Do you have a link to these?

and are they PROPOSING this or are they GOING to do this?

What happens to the people that have there cars already...Oh wait, Were SOL as usual right?

You guys are ignoring the half truth spoken by the rep. Don't forget that the new Miata is being tested with a rotary. He never said the car would be called an RX-anything, just that there would be a 2 door rotary.........

thats what I said before some others tried circling the wagons looking for a kill shot :p It's the last time I mention anything like that on the board again

Here's my idea of a 2-door rotary coupe, be it a 7 or an 8:
http://www.fablecollection.com/design07 copy.jpg
:)
that is the coolest pic i have seen. did you photoshop this, and can you do it in silver

Do you have a link to these?

and are they PROPOSING this or are they GOING to do this?

What happens to the people that have there cars already...Oh wait, Were SOL as usual right?
SOL? If you're talking about the wider rotors, what do you want Mazda to do? Should they give you the new larger engine? What about all the people that bought G35s and C5s that for 2005 got a big hp gain? Everything gets an improvement as time goes on.

SOL? If you're talking about the wider rotors, what do you want Mazda to do? Should they give you the new larger engine? What about all the people that bought G35s and C5s that for 2005 got a big hp gain? Everything gets an improvement as time goes on.

Exactly...SOL. I dont expect them to widen our rotors cause I know its not going to happen. It just sucks that the people who have the most passion for the car are the ones who get left in the dust. : :eek:

Mazda should in no way shape or form be expected or obligated to give you a more powerful engine. It's not a matter of "ya Mazda's not going to pull through so why expect it", it's you being unrealistic and demonstrating poor business sense.


Exactly...SOL. I dont expect them to widen our rotors cause I know its not going to happen. It just sucks that the people who have the most passion for the car are the ones who get left in the dust. : :eek:

Exactly...SOL. I dont expect them to widen our rotors cause I know its not going to happen. It just sucks that the people who have the most passion for the car are the ones who get left in the dust. : :eek:
I think 8 owners are about the least SOL. I don't know of any car companies that provide the frequency of new flashes that Mazda does. The passionate people get them before anybody else. The passionate people also get Mazda sponsored events such as Sevenstock. The early adopters got rotary themed books, watches, and a variety of other stuff.

That computer you're typing on was outdated by the time you got it home from the store. That's the way the economy works. You can always sell your 8 and buy a newer one with the larger engine.

that is the coolest pic i have seen. did you photoshop this, and can you do it in silver

Yes, I did chop this image. I'll see if I can do it in Sunlight Silver - I don't know why I didn't do that in the first place since that's the color of my car!

You guys are ignoring the half truth spoken by the rep. Don't forget that the new Miata is being tested with a rotary. He never said the car would be called an RX-anything, just that there would be a 2 door rotary.........

Yes, and according to a MNAO rep at the Washington Auto Show last weekend, the new Miata will be built on the RX-8 platform. So, my wild speculation would be that the new Miata, I believe due out as a 2006, will be a Renesis-rotary-engined car with a ragtop and/or a coupe version built on the 8 platform.

However, in all honesty, I must point out that this same rep was unaware of the fire at the Ujima plant. :(

Here's the best I could do:
http://www.fablecollection.com/design09 copy.jpg
This time with 22's rear and 20's front!

Can we have lazer guns and let the engine run on water too?

:D

Optimism truly is a grand thing!!!

Will the RX-8 get a 'boost' so to say? Maybe in the form of an ECU flash. But currently, from the business and practical side of things, do you think mazda is going to recall however many rx-8's are on the road (est. 25,000-30,000. If anyone knows this number, do tell) to manifest whatever concept they 'may' have about beefing up the 8?

I do agree that if mazda releases a car, it should be capped by the 8's performance. If a mazdaspeed version of a car is faster, then so be it. That is the mazdaspeed version. It is MEANT to be faster.

A new rx-? Not for many years. There hasnt been enough saturation of mazda's great new concepts that were bourne from the rx-8 currently in the market. Why should they trounce on their own toes when they have quite possibly one of the top 5 most beautiful and fresh cars on the road?

*Read below and then re-read the above section. I promise it will make sense*

A new rotary powered car... without a doubt!!!! I dont know exactly what the manufacturing costs of rotary v. piston driven engine are. But from taking an educated guess, i would guess the rotary is much cheaper. And now, they can produce rotaries with ~200 hp without FI. Remember, RX stands for Rotary Experiment. The rotary is back everyone. And it looks like it is here to stay!

And look at all of this from a business standpoint. Is Mazda forced to have some integrity within the scope of their operations; of course! If they did not, people would be angry or expect more much like members of this forum. But, they also have to make a $ in a competitive market.

BTW, this post is not meant as a blast. But as philodox mentioned, it became one. Any OBJECTIVE input based on logical theory would surely be conducive to keeping the tone of the thread fresh and good natured.

Here's the best I could do:
http://www.fablecollection.com/design09 copy.jpg
This time with 22's rear and 20's front!

Hey Demon....clear corners babe!! :D

- Irish :cool:

Check these out.....note the caption on the new miata.


http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38320&stc=1


http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38321&stc=1



- Irish :cool:

hmm interesting indeed. ahh but insurence on either of those will kill me..oh and they aren' there yet:p hehe it woudl be gret to see teh 7 come back...but i'm not holding my breath just yet......maybe in a few months but not yet.(b/c i can't hold it for over a year)



oh and as for the mazdaspeed 6 being more powerful than the 8...who cares..it only goes 0-60 in like 6.5-6.7 sec.'s...this is really made to compete against the awd Acura's. just my 2 cents:D

Mazda is producing some incredible cars right now. the urrent version of the rx-8 is a test subject. with this being the first release of the Renesis of couse we are going to compare it to the Genesis from which it was conceived. its still the same block! but the Reneisis N/A puts out almost the same amount of power as the TT Genesis. i think that is pretty good if i do say so myself. our first issue of the rx-8 is the cornerstone by which all new rotary cars will be compared.

let Mazda produce a mazdaspeed 6 that is better then the rx-8! that will raise the bar for the 8 and the next one will be that much better! and bring on the new 7! i want one of each! and a rotary powered miata, hell ya! drop the wieght and increase the power and the miata will not be laughed at anymore! can you imagine a miata beating a 350z?

i think Mazda should tune every model they have and have minivans racing along side M3's. put zoom zoom in every model. let mazda be ford's performance brand.

BS...Mazda NA operations doesn't know jack...FAR FAR too much R&D went into the Renesis...if anything I'd expect a MS 8 in the future with FI...

I don't believe anything that anyone says at any dealership.

AGREED! I've talked to multiple Mazda NA reps and they talk out of their ass 90percent of the time when it comes to R and D...the reason why? they are not connected, do not have the security clearance, and are usually there to handle the service department and work with the dealership to provide new services etc...they are middle men to Mazda NA

The only thing useful I've gotten out of a Mazda NA rep is a brand New navigation unit after he determined mine (with the old firmware) was slow as hell compared to the one on his 8...thank goodness he had Nav in his 8 :)

According to this article, the 7 is a done deal for 2006:
http://motoring.nzoom.com/motoring_detail/0,2734,218365-388-389,00.html
That article has no credibility considering it starts with:
It's nigh on a decade since the RX-7 last rolled down the production line in Hiroshima, but news is filtering through that will have rotorheads humming.
The truth is that the RX7 was in production until 2002 (it just wasn't available in the USA after 1995).

You guys are ignoring the half truth spoken by the rep. Don't forget that the new Miata is being tested with a rotary.Not according to recent rumors.
Yes, and according to a MNAO rep at the Washington Auto Show last weekend, the new Miata will be built on the RX-8 platform. So, my wild speculation would be that the new Miata, I believe due out as a 2006, will be a Renesis-rotary-engined car with a ragtop and/or a coupe version built on the 8 platform. It has been widely reported that the NC Miata will not have a rotary option, unfortunately. Dropping the RENESIS into the Miata seems like a no-brainer to me... perhaps Mazda's reasons for not doing it will be made clear at some point.

I also feel it is a mistake to give the MS6 more power,and AWD before the RX-8(their flagship and highest priced car)gets more power,and more refinment,especially seeing as the MS6 will be cheaper,and perform better.The MS6 will cost more and perform worse than the 8.

Unfortunately for the 8's future sales, the average buyer is ignorant and doesn't do much research. They'll look at the MS6's power rating and dismiss the 8 (just look at what people are writing in this forum).

However, at 3630 pounds, the MS6 is targeting luxury/AWD cars (like the G35x and Outback 2.5L turbo), not sports cars (like the 8) or rally-inspired/AWD cars (like the STI and EVO). The MS6 will be a whopping 750 pounds more than the base RX8 and won't touch it in terms of road feel and responsiveness.

I would say that Mazda would have one hell of an issue on their hands with existing 8 owners if nothing happens before the Mazdaspeed 6 hits. The 8 has never been about power; it's about balance. There is no other 4 door RWD car under 3000 pounds currently in production and even more important than the weight is how it's distributed, how low it is, and how it's concentrated towards the center of the car. Then there's the tight steering, responsive throttle, short-throw shifter, etc... despite its lack of low-end oomph, the RX8 delivers true sports-car fun in a practical, comfortable ride. Anyone who feels threatened by the MS6 doesn't understand the 8.

The 7 pics in that article can also be found in most JDM "upcoming car" car mags. So I'd give it some credit.

A Rotary miata... nope. JDM mags say it's going to have another 4 banger. No plans for a rotary either. It is based off the RX-8 platform though. Why is Mazda passing on the rotary for the Miata? You've got me... the bean counters or the "think they know it all" marketing guys probably said so. An RX-5 Miata would be badass. oh well...

Deslock is right on the ball... the 8 and MS6 are after two different markets. Many will compare them and get a MS6 instead because of the turbo and more power on paper... as many compare the 8 to the Z, STi and Evo. Those are all different cars with different purposes. The 8 vs the G35c I can understand. The 8 vs the GTO... I suppose so. I like comparing apples to apples, but most people don't do that when looking at cars.

If you need/want AWD, a sporty "feel," 4 doors and the ability to haug the rugrats and junk... then you're really looking more at the MS6, Legacy GT, 330, G35, A4, and so forth... Nothing wrong with them. I actually like them and given a higher budget might consider one over an 8...

guess time will tell, and looking forward to that.... especially the 7 :p

the gf and i were going to put a small amount of deposit down 3 years ago at the sydney international motor show for the 8. it looked abit different then, and the engine spec wasnt finalised........ after a coffee, i changed my mind and decided to find out what the real thing will look before getting it :rolleyes:

Perhaps if Mazda had another factory and could provide the volume of rotary engines necessary to supply both the RX-8 and miata they'd consider giving the miata a rotary. I was under the impression that they were building rotary engines as fast as they could to meet demand for the 8. (with the exception of the relative few that enter life as crate motors for racing applications)

Hand building the # of motors that have been built thus far is impressive to me. They don't just let anyone build these things.

A Rotary miata... nope. JDM mags say it's going to have another 4 banger. No plans for a rotary either. It is based off the RX-8 platform though. Why is Mazda passing on the rotary for the Miata? You've got me... the bean counters or the "think they know it all" marketing guys probably said so. An RX-5 Miata would be badass. oh well...

My guess is exclusivity. And possibly price point. The miata is a sub $20k car in the US. You know, it may also be that the public would rather see the 4 banger again. The general public always wants the norm, nothing radical. IMHO the only common thread between the 8 and the new miata will be frame.

- Irish :cool:

The Miata nation is heavily against a rotary in their next Miata. (read some of the threads over at miata.net)

The Miata nation is heavily against a rotary in their next Miata. (read some of the threads over at miata.net)

Yeah, I guess they would prefer something like this with all the ugly piping. :)

New update... just checking out some "upcoming car" car mags at the convenience store tonight and in one pretty accurate one it mention a "minor change" for the 8 in late 2005. This is DEFINITELY NOT the MS8, as it would clearly be listed as such like the MS6 was. What this minor change will be... that's the question.

New update... just checking out some "upcoming car" car mags at the convenience store tonight and in one pretty accurate one it mention a "minor change" for the 8 in late 2005. This is DEFINITELY NOT the MS8, as it would clearly be listed as such like the MS6 was. What this minor change will be... that's the question.

Who knows....colour maybe. I hear the strato Blue maybe coming stateside. Just a rumor of course, source.... buddy that runs a Mazda dealer in the UK. Did the article specify what part of the world the "change" would be in? If it's a global change......???

- Irish :cool:

I would say that Mazda would have one hell of an issue on their hands with existing 8 owners if nothing happens before the Mazdaspeed 6 hits.

I remember somewhere on this forum that there was a flash in the works to bring it up to original advertised horsepower. That still would not be enough?!

nothing will happen with the 8 b4 the MS6 hits the showrooms. also that flash rumour is just that - a rumour. what your saying wont and CANT happen. forget that flash idea.

Odd... my post is missing.

Anyway, when the Familia S-Wagon (Protege 5) was mentioned for a "Minor change" in this mag, it got the front-end that you guys in the US know and love. The next MC added the tails lights the US has. The MS6 was NOT listed as a "minor change" but as a completely different model, so for this and the obvious reasons, it is NOT the MS8. As far as color changes go... they haven't showed up thus far as such, unless it comes with real changes to the car, so I'd say no. This will be appearance or mechanical.

Ok, that article about the RX7 - that would be great, I may even consider trading if Mazda would keep the price about $35 grand. It states that the 7 will be shown at the Tokyo Auto Show - does anyone know when this is?

behold the power of an internet search engine : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=tokyo+auto+salon+2005


lazy bastards... :D

福岡オートサロン公式サイトへ, 札幌オートサロン公式サイトへ, ...
I can't read that! :D

I can't read that! :D
for those of you who need to be spoon-fed : http://www.e-autosalon.net/tokyo/english/index.html

(Fwiw - that link if clicked on would have taken you to a half english/ half japanese page, at the bottom is a link to visit the english version of the site.)

New update... just checking out some "upcoming car" car mags at the convenience store tonight and in one pretty accurate one it mention a "minor change" for the 8 in late 2005. This is DEFINITELY NOT the MS8, as it would clearly be listed as such like the MS6 was. What this minor change will be... that's the question.

This minor change will be (hopefully) the replacement of the current auto rx8 with a 5speed full power one and the addition of an RX8 with an "SMG"-type transmission. This is why I have not bought my 8 yet. I am waiting for the "SMG"type tranny that is rumored on this forum.

for those of you who need to be spoon-fed : http://www.e-autosalon.net/tokyo/english/index.html

(Fwiw - that link if clicked on would have taken you to a half english/ half japanese page, at the bottom is a link to visit the english version of the site.)
Come on now... give me some kind of credit!

http://www.e-autosalon.net/2004ver/tokyo/contest2004/stc.html

check out the car in the lower right. That is bad ass!

Come on now... give me some kind of credit!
LOL, sorry bout the spoon-fed thing, that is a by-product of me working with morons and people who never look for answers at work before they come to me to fix it. :p

Sometimes, I am a bit crass, but it's all good..I still love you guys (and gals). :D

ok here is what i know-

the 8 will not see anymore factory power b4 the release of the MS6
there will not be an outside of japan MS RX8 before the end of this year
there was a RX-7 concept ready to be shown at Tokyo but it was pulled at the last minute

here is what i believe with a high degree of certainty
there was an RX7 concept(possibly the exact same on readied for tokyo) at MNAO in Irvine during 7stock just a few feet from everyone who went into the room off the courtyard.

the MS RX8 concept will debut at the end of this year (like the MS6 did) but not be available for sale until the middle or later part of 2006. More than likely with the body kit and sc from the sam mitani article.

what i dont know but can guess at-
i have no idea what this minor change may be at the end of 2005. the only thing i can think of is that they actually mean a change to the US MY 2006 cars. in which case i bet its a minor face lift along the lines of the RB front end since they helped do a focus group that included the body kit seen on the car in the sam mitani article.

...sounds like what my contact here in Houston (MNAO Gulf Coast Office) has hinted about...

G/J, best post so far.

Ok, that article about the RX7 - that would be great, I may even consider trading if Mazda would keep the price about $35 grand. It states that the 7 will be shown at the Tokyo Auto Show - does anyone know when this is?

April/May-ish. I'll definitely be going again. If it's there, I'll take some digital camera pics, grab some brochures, etc.

ok here is what i know-

the 8 will not see anymore factory power b4 the release of the MS6
there will not be an outside of japan MS RX8 before the end of this year
there was a RX-7 concept ready to be shown at Tokyo but it was pulled at the last minute

here is what i believe with a high degree of certainty
there was an RX7 concept(possibly the exact same on readied for tokyo) at MNAO in Irvine during 7stock just a few feet from everyone who went into the room off the courtyard.

the MS RX8 concept will debut at the end of this year (like the MS6 did) but not be available for sale until the middle or later part of 2006. More than likely with the body kit and sc from the sam mitani article.

what i dont know but can guess at-
i have no idea what this minor change may be at the end of 2005. the only thing i can think of is that they actually mean a change to the US MY 2006 cars. in which case i bet its a minor face lift along the lines of the RB front end since they helped do a focus group that included the body kit seen on the car in the sam mitani article.

I agree! Except for the bodykit on the MS8. I do like the one in the sam Mitani article better, but... would be an issue in the JDM with the MS8 and MS8 II (basically the same just another limited run) that have been released here? Although the MP3 and Mazdaspeed protege do have slightly different bodykits... so maybe it will go that way.

As far as the MC (minor change) goes... I'm with you zoom44... no idea. I'd love to see the RB changes replace the appearance package. I dunno about the RB front becoming the stock front though... just the whole "DNA" thing as you can see in the MS6 and the general grill shape used on all current Mazdas. Since the RB front doesn't incorporate that and neither does the MS8, I don't think it'd be likely to appear as the "stock" front... appearance package maybe, but stock no... at least not without some changes.

The 5spd auto is another good guess. SMG... hmm... I dunno... that sounds better reserved for the MS8 to me. It's an M3 option and stock M5... not a regular 3 series or 5 series option. It just makes more sense to put it in the MS8.

April/May-ish. I'll definitely be going again. If it's there, I'll take some digital camera pics, grab some brochures, etc.
... or maybe this weekend... January 14, 15 and 16

... or maybe this weekend... January 14, 15 and 16


Or maybe I was talking about the Tokyo MOTOR show not Tokyo Auto Salon.

actually I think that's in the fall (motorshow). The bike motorshow is in april/may...

OK OK, one of us needs to take a week off from work...fly to Japan, put on our best Ninja outfit, take a digital cam with a telephoto lens on it, be willing to be arrested, then find a computer to post the pictures from inside the jail cell without becomming someone's b**ch...LOL...easy...anyone willing?

LOL

LOL, sorry bout the spoon-fed thing, that is a by-product of me working with morons and people who never look for answers at work before they come to me to fix it.

Sometimes, I am a bit crass, but it's all good..I still love you guys (and gals).

LOL, this guy must be in IT...LOL..."Move...a la SNL"

Actually, I thought the spoon fed thing was funny.

actually I think that's in the fall (motorshow). The bike motorshow is in april/may...
Yeah, that one is usually in October/November... that is a really great show, lots of new products are unveiled there each year.

T.A.S. is more like SEMA compared to T.M.S. which is like the big Detroit Auto Show.