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philodox
01-04-2005, 10:47 PM
Okay, now that the Turbo is installed, I am going to keep this first post to let you know the links of the various video's I've made since I put the GReddy Turbo kit in my RX-8.

Videos of Jon's Turbo RX-8 (philodox)
http://tyrannical.org/philodox1.wmv
http://tyrannical.org/philodox2.wmv



Videos of Jeff's Turbo RX-8 (MazdaManiac)
http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/rx8/video/rx8boost.mpg

Dyno Sheets for both cars will be posted here as well once myself and Jeff hit the dyno on Jan 21st!

Jon's RWHP = 240.4 rwhp
Jeff's RWHP = 225.0 rwhp (but he's still tuning)

samyv2
01-04-2005, 10:54 PM
Congrats!! I wish you the best of luck with the install. Greddy is a great company. So you shouldn't have any problems. How much was it? How much is it to install?

mikeb
01-04-2005, 10:54 PM
cool
keep us posted

mysql101
01-04-2005, 11:04 PM
I've been able to reroute packages knowing nothing else other than the tracking number. I don't recommend you post them.

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:07 PM
Man, I'm disappointed... neither of you guys did my little UPS chant! :(



Congrats!! I wish you the best of luck with the install. Greddy is a great company. So you shouldn't have any problems. How much was it? How much is it to install?

I bought the kit from Mazdatrix (http://www.mazdatrix.com/8turbo.htm) for $3289 plus S/H. My mechanic is going to give me a hefty discount on the install. He's chalking it up to "RX-8 learning experience" ;) He's a rotary mechanic and has worked on rotaries for about 20 years. Real good guy. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say about $550'ish on the install.

Audioslave8
01-04-2005, 11:08 PM
Good luck!
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"

mysql101
01-04-2005, 11:10 PM
I look forward to hearing your review once it's installed. Be sure to take plenty of install photos for us.

btw, one of the websites here that sell the greddy turbo kit is charging $600 for the install, so $550 doesn't sound like that big of a discount.

Lock & Load
01-04-2005, 11:11 PM
I AM EXCITED .

Cheers
michael :cool:

Batmobile1
01-04-2005, 11:14 PM
hey hey hey.....what are the specifics on the turbo theyre using? Model number, compressor, impeller, trimed, charts etc? give me the info man I NEEEED it.

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:15 PM
I look forward to hearing your review once it's installed. Be sure to take plenty of install photos for us.

btw, one of the websites here that sell the greddy turbo kit is charging $600 for the install, so $550 doesn't sound like that big of a discount.

Well, I was taking a stab in the dark on the install price. This is a very simple kit and is direct bolt on requiring no modifications to the engine bay. I'll have a more detailed conversation with my mech tomorrow and let you guys know how it goes

-Jon

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:18 PM
Good luck!
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"
That's the spirit!



hey hey hey.....what are the specifics on the turbo theyre using? Model number, compressor, impeller, trimed, charts etc? give me the info man I NEEEED it.
The turbo is the Trust T618Z. Greddy doesn't have the particulars on their website yet since this was just released in the US yesterday. Look at Mazdatrix's website for the info.

Batmobile1
01-04-2005, 11:20 PM
That's the spirit!




The turbo is the Trust T618Z. Greddy doesn't have the particulars on their website yet since this was just released in the US yesterday. Look at Mazdatrix's website for the info.

Thank you kindly sir.

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:25 PM
Question guys, I want to get a boost gauge. Can anyone recommend one that matches the panel colors? I've been searching for a small one, preferably 52mm-60mm in the stock panel color scheme, but can't find one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
-Jon

TR1GGERx1
01-04-2005, 11:27 PM
very interested in hearing ur reviews after u recieve it.

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:29 PM
very interested in hearing ur reviews after u recieve it.

No worries, I plan on writing on book on the install and performance afterwords ;) Well, enough posts about it to fill one anyhow

army_rx8
01-04-2005, 11:31 PM
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!

hehe how was that:p

philodox
01-04-2005, 11:32 PM
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!
leeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go U P S leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's go!

hehe how was that:p

Hehe.. perfect ;)

Snoochie
01-05-2005, 12:07 AM
I remember seeing a gauge pod that sits where the navi thing is (so if you have the navi forget this) but it looked tight as hell and replicated the gauge in the dash. It was badass truly.

philodox
01-05-2005, 12:36 AM
I remember seeing a gauge pod that sits where the navi thing is (so if you have the navi forget this) but it looked tight as hell and replicated the gauge in the dash. It was badass truly.

I know what you are talking about, but those gauges do not have boost pressure. And I agree, it does look bad ass.

truemagellen
01-05-2005, 12:47 AM
you can just get that pod...(the non-ms one) and put whatever gauges you want in it

Batmobile1
01-05-2005, 01:14 AM
does anyone know how much 399,000 yen is?

truemagellen
01-05-2005, 01:29 AM
does anyone know how much 399,000 yen is?

$3823 USD I assume you wanted USD

therm8
01-05-2005, 01:52 AM
$3823 USD I assume you wanted USD

10882.88 Brazilian Reais
23579.11 Trinidad and Tobago Dollars
16739.27 Israeli New Shekels

In case you didn't :D

Hybrid-RX8
01-05-2005, 09:05 AM
Is this the USDM version or the JDM version?

philodox
01-05-2005, 09:11 AM
This kit is the US version

Luftwaffle
01-05-2005, 09:19 AM
Can I come see it after you've gotten it installed? :D

djgiron
01-05-2005, 11:07 AM
Can I have your car when you are done ;)

philodox
01-05-2005, 11:20 AM
Can I have your car when you are done ;)

sure, if you pay me the $44k or so that I have wrapped up in the car

liqiud
01-05-2005, 11:33 AM
I can't wait to see the pictures when it is finished...

I am waiting on a couple more mods to my car before i do my turbo upgrade...

Good luck.

"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"

Gambit
01-05-2005, 11:36 AM
Good luck with that, hope it comes really soon

"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"
"Lets go UPS, Lets go! *clap clap*"

GSXRSTAR
01-05-2005, 12:03 PM
$3823 USD I assume you wanted USD

Its way cheaper at Rx8store. I think I saw 3299.00 Don't quote me on that. I can't wait till I get my taxed back this year!

davefzr
01-05-2005, 12:17 PM
Yeah.. In another thread he said that Mazdatrix refunded him the money....

Awesome man! I cant wait to hear your review. May spur me on to buy one sooner than I expected.

Petrus
01-05-2005, 01:27 PM
The GReddy turbo kit is actually rather cheap here in Sweden... if you compare it to other kits (not necessarely GReddy) for other cars. I think the GReddy was about $4000 and I find that very cheap. Keep in mind all the extra charging for freight and the store want to make some money on it as well... Similar turbokits for lets say S2000 or 350Z is almost double that(!!!) I´ll definately have a GReddy-charged 8 before the year is over.

Kel Rx8
01-05-2005, 01:41 PM
congrats buddy let me know when its in.

mtnpass
01-05-2005, 01:56 PM
Congrats, I know you have to be excited....I know if it were me I would not be able to sleep until it came. And then I might just have to curl up on the couch for a night and hold it.:)

Richard Paul
01-05-2005, 01:57 PM
Congats philo, YOU now own the fastest growing thread on the forum.

Icemastr
01-05-2005, 02:04 PM
Time for a thread hijack. I can get the kit for about $2800.

philodox
01-05-2005, 02:11 PM
congrats buddy let me know when its in.

No problem Kel, I'll let you know once it's installed so we can meet up.

philodox
01-05-2005, 02:15 PM
Time for a thread hijack. I can get the kit for about $2800.

Wow, congrats.. why are you wasting time posting! Go buy it :) :) :)

Like Whoa
01-05-2005, 02:16 PM
I wanna meet up with philodox too! and KEL! i'll pick the place and you guys pick the time =D hmm... how about the quakerbridge mall in lawrenceville heehee its like 2 minutes away from where i live.
no but seriously tho, does greddy have a turbo kit for the automatic? if they do i plan on getting it before spring. i really wanna see this turbo in phils car too

p.s. i'm serious about the quakerbridge mall =D

philodox
01-05-2005, 02:32 PM
5 Days and counting.. Go UPS!

*does the dance of joy*

army_rx8
01-05-2005, 02:48 PM
oh i'lll bite...where can you get teh kit for 2800 for:D

Overport
01-05-2005, 02:51 PM
Awesome, cant wait to see the pics.

Speed Racer
01-05-2005, 03:09 PM
Question guys, I want to get a boost gauge. Can anyone recommend one that matches the panel colors? I've been searching for a small one, preferably 52mm-60mm in the stock panel color scheme, but can't find one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
-Jon

Check out the Defi-Link Meter BF (http://www.defi-shop.com/product/bf/bf_top.html). The gauges are back-lit and would match the dash fairly well.

davefzr
01-05-2005, 03:25 PM
Wow, congrats.. why are you wasting time posting! Go buy it :) :) :)

Well put :)

philodox
01-05-2005, 03:35 PM
Check out the Defi-Link Meter BF (http://www.defi-shop.com/product/bf/bf_top.html). The gauges are back-lit and would match the dash fairly well.

Wow, nice find. Those guages look hot. I appreciate you diggin this up Speed Racer! I have to go place my order for one now so it gets here by the time the turbo kit gets here.

Red Devil
01-05-2005, 03:48 PM
Very excited for you...good luck.

philodox
01-05-2005, 03:57 PM
Well, just ordered the gauge. Decided on the Defi-Link system Speed Racer recommended. Here is a to where link (http://store.yahoo.com/hopup1/demebfse.html) I bought it. I got the boost gauge and the control unit. I got the gauge that lights up white like the dash when you turn it on. I'm not a fan of the amber/red backlighting on the dash. I will be able to add other gauges at a later time since the control unit allows for expansion. Should have it the same day I get the turbo kit so I can install it all in one shot.

davefzr
01-05-2005, 04:03 PM
That thing is sweet! Reminds me of the one PTP Motorsports has on their 8....

http://store1.yimg.com/I/ptpinc_1819_25491362

I think it's the same one.

Relentless
01-05-2005, 04:13 PM
Same one. What I really want is that gauge pod.

philodox
01-05-2005, 04:13 PM
That thing is sweet! Reminds me of the one PTP Motorsports has on their 8....

http://store1.yimg.com/I/ptpinc_1819_25491362

I think it's the same one.

I think that's same gauge, just a custom mounting bracket built into the dash. A custom mounting bracket is something I'll work on later ;)

davefzr
01-05-2005, 04:15 PM
Have you done any other modification to your car? Flywheel, pulleys, exhaust... anything of this nature?

Do you plan on replacing your stock parts during the install if you have done any of these modifications?

I am not sure what is best for the turbo setup...

philodox
01-05-2005, 04:26 PM
Have you done any other modification to your car? Flywheel, pulleys, exhaust... anything of this nature?

Do you plan on replacing your stock parts during the install if you have done any of these modifications?

I am not sure what is best for the turbo setup...

Okay, where to start. I don't like typing it all out right now so I'll just add my sig to this post, look at the sig for all the mods.. I didn't put a lot of the cosmetic mods in the sig since it was too long.

philodox
01-05-2005, 04:27 PM
Same one. What I really want is that gauge pod.

Me too! :D

davefzr
01-05-2005, 04:39 PM
So do you plan on leaving these parts or replacing with your stockers since thats what GReddy tested with?

philodox
01-05-2005, 04:48 PM
So do you plan on leaving these parts or replacing with your stockers since thats what GReddy tested with?

Nope, I'm leaving them on. Basically, the only drivetrain mods I have are the flywheel and exhaust. Those won't negatively effect the Greddy kit at all. If anything, they will help. Especially the exhaust since it's flows more freely, should help spool times I think.. Anyone care to comment on that?

XeRo
01-05-2005, 05:03 PM
you're correct...less back pressure for any FI setup is what you want...especially if it dumps into the manifold...i can't remember if this GReddy kit is atmospheric dump or not...i would think it's routed to the manifold since an atmospheric isn't really street friendly...

philodox
01-05-2005, 06:44 PM
Okay, now that I've decided on the gauges, I need to find the right pod. I would prefer a 3 pod 2 5/8in dash mount since an A-pillar mount wouldn't really match the interior. I've searched and searched but couldn't find anyone who sells these.

Does anyone know a place that sells one?

adrian-1
01-05-2005, 06:58 PM
Here's the contact info for PTP Motorsports. That 3 gauge pod mentioned earlier may almost be ready. They were in the process of getting a mold for it a couple of weeks ago.
Their number (512)834-8771.

philodox
01-05-2005, 07:03 PM
Here's the contact info for PTP Motorsports. That 3 gauge pod mentioned earlier may almost be ready. They were in the process of getting a mold for it a couple of weeks ago.
Their number (512)834-8771.

Thank you! I sent them an email. I'm going to call them tomorrow too. Appreciate it.

RotorGeek
01-05-2005, 08:44 PM
Awesome. Good luck

winbluerx8sport
01-05-2005, 11:19 PM
if you want to disable the pillar pod i found a CF pillar pod (holds 2 gauges) i dunno the size i cna check...

Ajax
01-05-2005, 11:33 PM
if you want to disable the pillar pod i found a CF pillar pod (holds 2 gauges) i dunno the size i cna check...
I think you meant the airbags in the pillars.. and they arent in the pillars.. they're actually above the door. if you check the shop manual it tells you that. they just say SRS airbag on the pillars.

winbluerx8sport
01-05-2005, 11:46 PM
that's waht i meant, and i looked at the diagram wont the a pillar still fly off (the bags go down a little into the pillar) also, you have to think about how much bigger it gets when it opens...i could be wrong i'd jsut be a lil converned about being popped by a bunch of gauges in the event of a wreck

winbluerx8sport
01-05-2005, 11:51 PM
also, the pod i found http://cftype.com/carbon_fiber/?nav=estore&action=details&product_id=314 it is $249, 2 pods, tape on (3M) and only come in pod size 2 1/16 , unfortunatly, cuz i THINK the defi only come in 2 3/8

philodox
01-06-2005, 06:21 AM
also, the pod i found http://cftype.com/carbon_fiber/?nav=estore&action=details&product_id=314 it is $249, 2 pods, tape on (3M) and only come in pod size 2 1/16 , unfortunatly, cuz i THINK the defi only come in 2 3/8

yup, wrong size.. thank you though for trying :)

RotorManiac
01-06-2005, 07:17 AM
good luck phil! hope everything goes smooth!
this is crazy. in just 2 days this thread has gone 5 pages long. Imagine when you get the turbo on... poeple will go nuts:rolleyes:

cgrx
01-06-2005, 07:22 AM
that's waht i meant, and i looked at the diagram wont the a pillar still fly off (the bags go down a little into the pillar) also, you have to think about how much bigger it gets when it opens...i could be wrong i'd jsut be a lil converned about being popped by a bunch of gauges in the event of a wreck


http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34812

philodox
01-06-2005, 07:49 AM
Okay guys, I need a favor.. once I get the Greddy Turbo Installed, I'm going to shoot some video of it in action. Could someone host a file about 50meg? the file would be the video of the run.

philodox
01-06-2005, 08:11 AM
good luck phil! hope everything goes smooth!
this is crazy. in just 2 days this thread has gone 5 pages long. Imagine when you get the turbo on... poeple will go nuts:rolleyes:
Thank you RotorManiac, and you are right.. I didn't expect this reaction :eek: ..... I will definately have the turbo on before January 14th.. that's when my mechanic is going on vacation.. lol.. I told him he owes me his first born if he doesn't help me put it on before then! :p

Boxcar
01-06-2005, 09:34 AM
Okay guys, I need a favor.. once I get the Greddy Turbo Installed, I'm going to shoot some video of it in action. Could someone host a file about 50meg? the file would be the video of the run.


I could host for a while but will have to pull it if it gets me within a gig of my limit. 1gig is all I really use anyways so no worries.

-Boxcar

BTW 30gig a month is my limit.

mysql101
01-06-2005, 10:08 AM
I have several servers that have 2000+ gig limits per month that i don't use.

philodox
01-06-2005, 10:14 AM
I have several servers that have 2000+ gig limits per month that i don't use.

Once I get the vid I'll PM you Jason so we can arrange something. Thanks for the offer!

mysql101
01-06-2005, 10:22 AM
you can go over 50 megs too if you want. Just don't have 5 minutes of video where you're sitting in the car adjusting your mirrors and stuff before you start it up :)

philodox
01-06-2005, 10:30 AM
you can go over 50 megs too if you want. Just don't have 5 minutes of video where you're sitting in the car adjusting your mirrors and stuff before you start it up :)

hehe.. no worries.. I'll edit it to just show the boost gauge/speedo/road. I think I'll try my hand at making it split screen. We'll see how good I am with Windows Movie Maker ;)

mysql101
01-06-2005, 10:33 AM
you should do some drive bys, some under the hood engine revs. Maybe even pick two points as a start/end point, run your car in stock form from point a to point b as fast as you can, then do the same later on with the turbo and see the difference (overlay the video or side by side them)

philodox
01-06-2005, 10:38 AM
you should do some drive bys, some under the hood engine revs. Maybe even pick two points as a start/end point, run your car in stock form from point a to point b as fast as you can, then do the same later on with the turbo and see the difference (overlay the video or side by side them)

Adding that to my list for the vids :) Thanks Jason

foxman
01-06-2005, 10:43 AM
you should do some drive bys, some under the hood engine revs. Maybe even pick two points as a start/end point, run your car in stock form from point a to point b as fast as you can, then do the same later on with the turbo and see the difference (overlay the video or side by side them)


Great idea! That would be really sweet to see, Philo you better get out and start running!

mysql101
01-06-2005, 10:45 AM
oh, how could I forget, you should make your car jump off some ramps. Then measure how much more air time the turbo gets vs stock. Yeah.... that's it.

philodox
01-06-2005, 10:49 AM
Great idea! That would be really sweet to see, Philo you better get out and start running!

Gotta get it installed first.. 4 days and counting until UPS delivers!

oh, how could I forget, you should make your car jump off some ramps. Then measure how much more air time the turbo gets vs stock. Yeah.... that's it.

Haha.. sure.. I'll watch a few Dukes of Hazzard re-runs to get up to speed ;)

foxman
01-06-2005, 10:54 AM
Gotta get it installed first.. 4 days and counting until UPS delivers!

I meant the stock runs which show no turbo power.

army_rx8
01-06-2005, 11:02 AM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UPS like the wind baby...i need some videos:D

philodox
01-06-2005, 11:09 AM
I meant the stock runs which show no turbo power.

Oh.. heh.. no video carmera yet.. I'm getting one this weekend. As long as Jason is okay hosting 2 vids I'll be able to make 2, one stock and one with turbo.

mysql101
01-06-2005, 11:23 AM
I have a Sony HC20 that I bought for around $400. I hope you have firewire ports in your computer. USB streaming is horrible.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=sony%20hc20&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wf

smrx8
01-06-2005, 11:53 AM
i bet that kit is going to need some serious tuning , from what i saw with the canzoomer
units.so dont be surprise if you dont feel any huge encreases until you get it tuned.i wanna jump on this kit too but i want to wait and see how it acts with our computer good luck and cant wait to see it in !!!

Relentless
01-06-2005, 12:51 PM
The Greddy kit comes with a pre-programmed map. Like the CZ, you should be able to tune it for further gains, but I'd think you should be able to notice gains right out of the box.

smrx8
01-06-2005, 12:53 PM
thats sounds good i hope your right . philodox will you be dynoing your car before and after ???

philodox
01-06-2005, 01:29 PM
thats sounds good i hope your right . philodox will you be dynoing your car before and after ???

I have already dyno'd with my current list of mods. I got 177.16whp and 129.88 torque.

philodox
01-06-2005, 01:29 PM
I have a Sony HC20 that I bought for around $400. I hope you have firewire ports in your computer. USB streaming is horrible.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=sony%20hc20&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wf

Yes, I have a firewire card in my computer.

philodox
01-06-2005, 02:35 PM
Well, got my video camera. Decided not to get anything fancy. I got a Cannon ZR80. I made a sample movie to see if I could easily import it to my computer. Man is it easy to do. I won't have any trouble making video's of the car with the turbo in it for all of you.

Question, how do you guys recommend I setup the camera in the car to shoot the video while driving? Is there a special type of tripod to use?

ranger4277
01-06-2005, 03:00 PM
If I lived a bit closer I'd offer to function as a camera mount and hold it while sitting in the back seat... :)

mysql101
01-06-2005, 03:19 PM
Well, got my video camera. Decided not to get anything fancy. I got a Cannon ZR80. I made a sample movie to see if I could easily import it to my computer. Man is it easy to do. I won't have any trouble making video's of the car with the turbo in it for all of you.

Question, how do you guys recommend I setup the camera in the car to shoot the video while driving? Is there a special type of tripod to use?Hymee has a DIY on how to use the rotary motif holes in your seats to mount a bar that holds a video camera.

davefzr
01-06-2005, 04:19 PM
So does anyone know if a BOV is included in the GReddy kit yet? I dont think this has been answered... or has it?

philodox
01-06-2005, 06:31 PM
question guys.. running 5psi, should I find a blow off valve to work with this kit? if so, does anyone know of one that would work with the T618Z turbo that comes with the kit?

Silverarrow
01-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Ok the true question, bv or dv? pros cons? experience i have is with a 1.8t jetta with a dv. Not so into the high pitched whistle, the more mellow the better.

philodox
01-06-2005, 09:50 PM
Well, I went with a Greddy Type-S universal BOV. I won't be able to install the BOV until I can get a flange for it. I can't get a flange for it until I find out if the tubing is aluminum or steel. Shouldn't put a damper on my install date since I can put the BOV in after the turbo is installed, it's not that hard. It's an atmospheric BOV so I get to hear that sweet sweet sounds.. hehe

**EDIT** I have heard there may be problems with a atmospheric BOV in a MAF system like the 8, if I have problems with it I'm going to get an outlet adapter for it to turn it into a diverter valve (recirc). **EDIT**

truemagellen
01-07-2005, 01:00 AM
learn to edit your posts :p

davefzr
01-07-2005, 01:10 AM
I think he's trying to hypnotize us by placing three of those rotating rotaries in a row. haha

Silverarrow
01-07-2005, 01:21 AM
hmmm..but what if i don't want the sound very loud? Would a dv be an option? or are there any bv's known to be subtle?

army_rx8
01-07-2005, 01:26 AM
i thought how loud the bov is..was depending upon how much boost you are runnig (ie 5psi woudl be quietier than 30psi)..also is that whistling sound you were talking about (for the dv?) what you here on Amemiya's website when their turbo car ( with the odd lights) drives by in the video...it is pretty annouying sounding if you ask me (i love the bov woudl never get tired of it)

philodox
01-07-2005, 09:17 AM
learn to edit your posts :p

okay okay okay okay okay... so I got a little excited? :p

philodox
01-07-2005, 05:12 PM
Finally got the instructions translated by Greddy from Japanese into English. The instructions are very well laid out and looks like an extremely simple install compared to most bolt on kits. The file is 930k, so I can't attach it here. If anyone is interested in them PM me and I'll be happy to email them.

-Jon

RedRenisis
01-07-2005, 05:43 PM
Okay, now that I've decided on the gauges, I need to find the right pod. I would prefer a 3 pod 2 5/8in dash mount since an A-pillar mount wouldn't really match the interior. I've searched and searched but couldn't find anyone who sells these.

Does anyone know a place that sells one?

Stewart Warner has a 3 pod that goes over the center dash.

www.stewartwarner.com

Its not up on the website as of yet but they do have it, call them.

adrian-1
01-08-2005, 01:33 PM
The file is 930k, so I can't attach it here. If anyone is interested in them PM me and I'll be happy to email them.

-Jon

I've uploaded the instructions to my site. It's a 1MB .pdf file with lots of pictures.
http://www.cox-internet.com/adrian-1/images/RX8/

NAVILESRX8
01-08-2005, 01:35 PM
With the E-manage, can you change fuel cut? Lower or raise the fuel cut RPM?

truemagellen
01-08-2005, 02:12 PM
With the E-manage, can you change fuel cut? Lower or raise the fuel cut RPM?

doesn't look like it...I just read the manual and everything is preset...no tuning allowed...seems like if you want to you can hook up a CZ unit (a retrofitted E-manage unit) and start tinkering

Cam
01-08-2005, 03:49 PM
I have a question as I dont know a whole lot about FI. We have so many Greddy thread going I wasnt sure which to post this in.

Per the instructions Greddy includes it states:

"It is very important that you monitor the boost pressure, and make sure not to over
boost. Over boosting can cause engine damage."

So how do you make sure you dont "overboost". I thought the turbo/emanage was programmed at 5llb of boost?

Can someone enlighten me on this aspect of FI?

army_rx8
01-08-2005, 03:55 PM
teh e-manage only comtrols fuel/ignition timing (to a certain degree)...as i understand it..i think greddy is saying don't put a boost controler on and tell it to go to the max. they are covering their butts..wihch is a good idea if you ask me

BUt as far as i knwo the e-manage doesn't really control boost...but seeming how i don't hav eone i might just me talking out of my tail-pipe:p

philodox
01-08-2005, 04:06 PM
With the E-manage, can you change fuel cut? Lower or raise the fuel cut RPM?

I do not know. I wouldn't want to play around with the fuel cut-off.

RotorManiac
01-08-2005, 05:30 PM
So how do you make sure you dont "overboost"...Can someone enlighten me on this aspect of FI?

Thats a very good question Cam, I'd like too to here some experts comment on this...

army_rx8
01-08-2005, 07:20 PM
^^^^i'd get a boost controler, that way the turbo will not go past a certain point (.4-.45bar according to greddy is what this is designed to do)

Richard Paul
01-08-2005, 07:23 PM
Isn't there a waste gate in the kit??

Jason
01-08-2005, 07:26 PM
Anyone that goes with a turbo kit should always get a boost gauge. The boost is limited by the pressure on the wastegate. Im sure Greddy has set it at 5 lbs but its a good idea to have a boost gauge to make sure.

Jason

ScudRunner
01-08-2005, 08:55 PM
the way i understand it, the wastegate is integral to the turbo itself..

Silverarrow
01-09-2005, 05:53 AM
So aside from the sound of it, is there any reason to have a blow off valve? If the wast gate is integral?

Jason
01-09-2005, 08:58 AM
The Wastegate and BOV do two seperate things. The wastegate will control the amount of boost you will see and the BOV will release the back pressure that happens when you come out of boost. The back pressure will work its way back to the turbo thru the intercooler pipes if you dont have a BOV.

Jason

speedweasel
01-09-2005, 09:20 AM
The Wastegate and BOV do two seperate things. The wastegate will control the amount of boost you will see and the BOV will release the back pressure that happens when you come out of boost. The back pressure will work its way back to the turbo thru the intercooler pipes if you dont have a BOV.

Jason

I take it this recommendation comes from popping intercoolers?

MazdaManiac
01-09-2005, 09:40 AM
BUt as far as i knwo the e-manage doesn't really control boost...but seeming how i don't hav eone i might just me talking out of my tail-pipe

It does not control boost on its own. You need a separate boost controller.

^^^^i'd get a boost controler, that way the turbo will not go past a certain point (.4-.45bar according to greddy is what this is designed to do)

A boost controller won't stop the turbo from spooling to its designed pressure. It is only useful for increasing the boost pressure to some level above the rated opening point of the wastegate.

What I've done is install an actuator that opens at a very low boost and then installed a boost controller to bring it up to where I want to operate. That makes it possible to control the rate of boost rise and prevent over-boosting.

Anyone that goes with a turbo kit should always get a boost gauge. The boost is limited by the pressure on the wastegate. Im sure Greddy has set it at 5 lbs but its a good idea to have a boost gauge to make sure.

Jason

Probably a good idea, but not mandatory. I did the initial testing with a cheep pressure/vacuum gauge taped to my windscreen.

the way i understand it, the wastegate is integral to the turbo itself..

Correct. It is attached to the turbine outlet directly.

So aside from the sound of it, is there any reason to have a blow off valve? If the wast gate is integral?

You need some way to relieve the unused pressure built up by the turbo when you close the throttle. To some degree, the turbo can handle much of it simply coming back and slowing the compressor. This is only a viable solution up to 3 or 4 PSI. After that, you run the risk of damaging the turbo's bearings by allowing the compressor to stall.

ScudRunner
01-09-2005, 10:56 AM
And while I don't know much about turbochargers specifically, I can tell you that when the compressor stalls on a jet engine, it's bad, mmm-kay.

philodox
01-09-2005, 12:28 PM
Yeah, the backpressure from releasing the throttle bounces all that air back to the turbo causing it to possibly reverse direction until high boost applications.. causing bad spool times and over the long term, bearing damage. I bought a Greddy Type-S BOV and aluminum mounting flange for my kit to help prevent that.

Luckily the MAF sensor is on the suction side of the turbo and not the pressure side, so I don't forsee any MAF issues with idling *crosses fingers* caused by the Blow Off Valve. If I do end up having issues with the VTA Blow Off Valve, I will install an outlet adapter which will essentially turn the BOV into a recirc and solve the problem.. I'll have more info once I get it installed.

Travelintrevor
01-09-2005, 01:55 PM
just posting to subscribe to this thread...good luck ..turbo cars are fun..rx7 turbo vert here! :)

MazdaManiac
01-09-2005, 06:35 PM
Luckily the MAF sensor is on the suction side of the turbo and not the pressure side, so I don't forsee any MAF issues with idling *crosses fingers* caused by the Blow Off Valve. If I do end up having issues with the VTA Blow Off Valve, I will install an outlet adapter which will essentially turn the BOV into a recirc and solve the problem.. I'll have more info once I get it installed.
I don't seem to be having any real issues with the BOV open to the atmosphere, but I am still running rich in general for safety's sake until I get it all dialed in.

philodox
01-09-2005, 06:40 PM
I don't seem to be having any real issues with the BOV open to the atmosphere, but I am still running rich in general for safety's sake until I get it all dialed in.

Glad to hear! I'm going to run with the base map Greddy Provides for the first 500 miles or so to make sure everything runs correctly at the base tune of 5psi before I tune it up to 6.5psi. I don't need anything more than that.

MazdaManiac
01-09-2005, 07:31 PM
Glad to hear! I'm going to run with the base map Greddy Provides for the first 500 miles or so to make sure everything runs correctly at the base tune of 5psi before I tune it up to 6.5psi. I don't need anything more than that.
I can concur with that! I am only playing with 3 or 4 PSI right now and it is hella fast. The difference at middle RPMs is insane.

ScudRunner
01-09-2005, 07:39 PM
So, having read the instructions, they say you can't tune the EManage unit that comes with the turbo kit. Do you think that you actually can't tune it, or they just tell you not to so that you don't go crying to them when you screw it up and grenade your engine?

Lock & Load
01-09-2005, 07:39 PM
Jeff
How much extra Torque are you getting ? the stock car puts out 211 NM

cheers
michael

philodox
01-09-2005, 07:45 PM
So, having read the instructions, they say you can't tune the EManage unit that comes with the turbo kit. Do you think that you actually can't tune it, or they just tell you not to so that you don't go crying to them when you screw it up and grenade your engine?

I will let you know when I get the kit from UPS tomorrow. I'll look at the emanage unit and see if there is a USB port. If there is a USB port, I should be able to tune it with the emanage software.

mysql101
01-09-2005, 07:47 PM
I've never had a stock emanage, but if it's exactly like the CZ, there is a usb looking port, but the pins are slightly different, I once plugged my cz usb programming cable in backwards - it fit just right, but didn't function. So I'm pretty sure a regular usb cord wouldn't work.

philodox
01-09-2005, 07:55 PM
I've never had a stock emanage, but if it's exactly like the CZ, there is a usb looking port, but the pins are slightly different, I once plugged my cz usb programming cable in backwards - it fit just right, but didn't function. So I'm pretty sure a regular usb cord wouldn't work.

if that's the case, I'll just get a usb cord from Canzoomer. Hopefuly the e-manage comes with a programming cord.

MazdaManiac
01-09-2005, 08:09 PM
It won't come with the cable (it isn't a USB cble - it is propritary, though it looks like USB) because it won't have the support tool.

You will need those to extract the maps and do any tuning.

philodox
01-09-2005, 10:17 PM
It won't come with the cable (it isn't a USB cble - it is propritary, though it looks like USB) because it won't have the support tool.

You will need those to extract the maps and do any tuning.

Thanks for the information! UPS delivers my kit tomorrow.. I'm excited.. don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.. heh.. maybe I should start a RX-8 support group for those of us addicted to mods :p

LSs1Power
01-10-2005, 05:52 AM
Im interesed to see what the RX8 will do. :)

philodox
01-10-2005, 06:17 AM
wooo hoooo.. just checked the UPS tracking... never before has "out for delivery" been a sweeter phase ;)

Horse
01-10-2005, 07:20 AM
I've devoted my time and my money to my 2nd gen Turbo II buildup or I would be right behind you ordering my own Greddy kit.

SilverBullitt
01-10-2005, 07:22 AM
We're behind you philodox (http://www.rx8club.com/member.php?u=8839)

Can't wait to see pictures, videos, sound... and your remarks..

Good Luck!

GO! UPS GO!

philodox
01-10-2005, 08:24 AM
IT'S HERE! Yeah baby! Here are some teaser pictures.. I'm out the door to my mechanics place now to see if we can get this install underway today!

truemagellen
01-10-2005, 09:13 AM
sweet now I'm excited go install that thing pronto!

Moostafa29
01-10-2005, 09:19 AM
Don't you feel like a kid on Christmas morning? Congrats man! Can't wait to see those vids :D

Travelintrevor
01-10-2005, 09:23 AM
it's been more than an hour...is it in yet?

SlashMatrix
01-10-2005, 10:31 AM
I want it. I must have it. I neeeeed it! Must have more pictures! I will put one in my car eventually but i'm not sure if i want to void the waranty on my car just yet. I want to see specs!

MazdaManiac
01-10-2005, 10:55 AM
IT'S HERE! Yeah baby! Here are some teaser pictures.. I'm out the door to my mechanics place now to see if we can get this install underway today!
Wow! That is one teeny tiny turbo!:p

Broke_Apex_Seal
01-10-2005, 11:20 AM
Wow! That is one teeny tiny turbo!:p


Sure is! Lots of Back pressure....... :(

MazdaManiac
01-10-2005, 11:25 AM
Well, I gues it depends on the turbine side. If the A/R is big enough and the wheel is clipped it might not be so bad.
The compressor side looks like it is sized for pretty low boost, though.

RX-Nut
01-10-2005, 02:52 PM
Good luck Phil!


Maniac, what sort of turbo system are you using? Did you run dynos?

2ks2k
01-10-2005, 03:27 PM
Any updates?? It's been almost 8 hours...

army_rx8
01-10-2005, 03:32 PM
hehe updates updates....i can' twait for the day when some sexy big boxes from greddy come to my door:p

mtnpass
01-10-2005, 03:37 PM
Congrats on the delivery, can't wait for updates......Did you get a TT from greddy as well?

LiL BenNy
01-10-2005, 03:44 PM
was the blow off valve in the picture included in the kit or seperate... curiousy because its kinda liek out there... i would figure they would pack it with everything else...

SWEET TURBO

mikeb
01-10-2005, 03:50 PM
hurry up man

just kidding

kinda

Cam
01-10-2005, 03:53 PM
Maybe he's at the shop having it installed?

He hasnt posted since 6 am.

epitrochoid
01-10-2005, 04:01 PM
**EDIT** I have heard there may be problems with a atmospheric BOV in a MAF system like the 8, if I have problems with it I'm going to get an outlet adapter for it to turn it into a diverter valve (recirc). **EDIT**
the issue comes from air escaping a "closed" system. the PCM thinks the air coming out of the BOV is being combusted in the engine, so it adds the appropriate fuel, resulting in a way rich mixture. it gives poor gas mileage and makes the car run rough between shifts. may throw a CEL, may not. some boost controllers and airflow correctors have a algorithm to reduce this problem. not sure about the emanage.

if you must have the sound, get a hybrid valve like the one from GFB. it has a vent and a plumback with a dial that divides the air up to 100% either way. recirc at the track (it will drive like shit if you don't, but shoot BIIIIIIIG flames), and on the street too to preserve your MPG. just twist it to atmosphere when you want to bling!

cooldriver88
01-10-2005, 06:16 PM
WOW!!! The only thing that is holding me back is how it voids your warranty and how it is not street legal.
YOU MUST POST MORE PICTURES!!!

philodox
01-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Okay guys, I just got back from the shop.. not finished installing yet.. had about a billion people run in and out of the shop all day distracting MY mechanic.. the nerve of some people.. we'll finish tomorrow.. as soon as I eat some dinner I will post the pics of todays progress.

mikeb
01-10-2005, 07:00 PM
very good then

cooldriver88
01-10-2005, 07:12 PM
How can you eat dinner! Don’t leave us hanging. These pictures are like crack, and with out them we have withdrawals!

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:19 PM
Okay guys, here we go... they are in order of completion.. I'll write a short description of each step.

Here we are unpacking the kit at the shop! I'm about as excited as you can get!

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:21 PM
Here we are removing the battery and battery box, also took out the stock Intake (forgot to take a pic of that). After that we went ahead and took the front bumper off.. I thought the bumper was going to be a pain in the butt, but it took all of 5 minutes to take it off!

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:23 PM
Next we had to take off the stock airpump. It's used to get fresh air into the exhaust system to help burn any unburnt gas that may have gotten there....

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Next we had to tackle the catalytic converter off. Was a pain in the butt.. Those spring bolts that attach the cat to the cat-back are a PAIN IN THE ASS..

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:27 PM
Now that we had the catalytic converter off, we had to disconnect the rear right engine mount in order to take the stock manifold off.. That wasn't too difficult.

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:29 PM
Now that the engine mount was disconnected, we were able to take the stock manifold off.. Here are pics of the exhaust ports with the manifold off, and my gracious goodbye to the stock manifold.

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:30 PM
Now we went ahead and applied the heat shield tape that came with the kit. We put the heat shield tape on the firewall near the right front wheel, and also on the intake manifold. This stuff is top notch, very good quality. Forms well and once you put it on, you can't get it off.. it's there to stay!

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:34 PM
Next we went ahead and started putting on the oil feed line for the turbo itself. Getting the oil pressure sensor off was a pain in the butt.. not too much room to work there. The oil feed line connects to the spot the oil pressure sensor was at by using a T fitting, then the sensor plugs in on one side and the oil feed line on the other. Here are pics of the fitting and the oil line which is routed over the transmission and ready to connect to the turbo.

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:36 PM
Okay, now we attach the NEW and improved exhaust manifold. But first we must place the turbo up and rest it on one of the suspension control arms. Then we were able to install the new exhaust manifold.

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Now that the manifold is secured, we mount the turbo onto the manifold. This is where we called the night. Was getting late, and both myself and Jim (my mechanic) were just plain tired.. not neccesarily from the install, but from the 4 hours that were wasted dealing with people that kept coming by and dragging his attention from the more important task at hand.. Installing a Turbo on an RX-8! Here are the last of the pics for today.

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:40 PM
Well guys/gals, that's it for todays installment of the great Greddy install adventure. We'll wrap things up tomorrow for sure. What do you think so far?

Audioslave8
01-10-2005, 07:40 PM
This is awsome, i cant wait to see the results... good luck

jenkins-crew
01-10-2005, 07:42 PM
This is great......keep up the good work on the pics and post, you rock!

cooldriver88
01-10-2005, 07:48 PM
:D :D :D Flippin' sweet!!! can't wait to see more pictures :D :D :D

mtnpass
01-10-2005, 07:50 PM
This is great......keep up the good work on the pics and post, you rock!


I second that, thanks for all the pics of install in progress. That is sweet, can't wait until tomorrow to see the next installment.

PS I will have a hard time sleeping tonight waiting for you to wrap it up and post your new turbo rx8.

Slims8
01-10-2005, 07:53 PM
Dont mean to mention something that may have already been mentioned, but are you doing anything different with the tranny or clutch? Just curious. If it's already been asked, just call me a dumbass and I'll go about my own business! :D

philodox
01-10-2005, 07:54 PM
Oh yeah, a friend of mine with an NA RX-8 is going to come too. So I can get take video of a stock 8 and compare it to a turbo 8. I can't host the video myself, but I already have someone who volunteerd to host it for me.


Dont mean to mention something that may have already been mentioned, but are you doing anything different with the tranny or clutch? Just curious. If it's already been asked, just call me a dumbass and I'll go about my own business! :D

Nope, I'm going to abuse this clutch until it blows, then put in a better performing clutch. I don't do full launched from a standstill too often, so I don't forsee this clutch going out. I'm not running enough boost for the added torque to kill the clutch, I don't think ;) Time will tell.. hehe

ranger4277
01-10-2005, 07:57 PM
What is that round thingy on the exhaust side of the turbo just below the impellor? Visible in the last photo. I'm not turbo savvy.

Oh yeah... thanks so much for the photo documentation. Makes me feel better since I can't enjoy the install first hand! :)

whosyourbaba
01-10-2005, 08:08 PM
nice nice, can't wait till its done!

philodox
01-10-2005, 08:11 PM
What is that round thingy on the exhaust side of the turbo just below the impellor? Visible in the last photo. I'm not turbo savvy.

Oh yeah... thanks so much for the photo documentation. Makes me feel better since I can't enjoy the install first hand! :)

That is the built in waste gate.

ranger4277
01-10-2005, 08:18 PM
Thank you. Thought it was related to that.

xdrian
01-10-2005, 08:25 PM
damn you guys had heluva day ! Good luck wiht the rest of the install. Looks like its comming out great!

Iwannarex8
01-10-2005, 08:25 PM
hey I been reading on this site for months and this thread just made me join, I dont have a rx-8............but I think this is the straw that broke the camels back I cant take it anymore and just reading about your install and seeing the pictures ..........
http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/bowdown.gif...im falling in love with this car http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/grouphug.gif good luck with it, cant wait for tomorrow!

philodox
01-10-2005, 08:39 PM
Just FYI, tomorrow will include the finishing of the turbo portion of the install.. i.e. down pipe, oil return line, etc.. then we'll run the intercooler plumbing and intake. I also have to head to a welding shop to get the BOV mounting flange welded onto proper piping. Then we run the e-manage cabling to the cabin, connect the wiring harness to the ECU and e-manage, connect the emanage to the actuator on the turbo, run my boost gauge, fill the car back up with oil, reconnect the engine mount and catalytic converter, then start it up for the first time! I think I covered everything else.. hehe.. guess we'll find out tomorrow!

punishr
01-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Keep up the good work. Looking awesome, and thanks for all of the info.

philodox
01-10-2005, 08:58 PM
Okay guys, so far I have a boost gauge, what other gauges would you recommend? Trying to keep it to 3 tops so I don't get too much clutter.

Richard Paul
01-10-2005, 09:42 PM
Intake manifold temp and a pyrometer for exhaust temp.
A/F meter

philodox
01-10-2005, 09:56 PM
Thanks Richard, I do appreciate the input. Any word on that thing we talked about the other day?

Richard Paul
01-10-2005, 10:45 PM
Yes, should ship in the next couple of days. As soon as I can swim out of my house. It's raining like a cow pissing on a flat rock. We don't have the drainage out here to cope with this much rain. In Tahoe they have 19 ft of snow and last year the lake was down 6 ft. So thanks for that anyway. In LA we have 21 inches of rain in the last two weeks and are expecting another 6. We usually get 6 or 7 per year. Maybe 10/12 in a good year.

rotarygod
01-10-2005, 11:04 PM
Now you know what it's like when it rains in Houston. It is endless for days sometimes.

philodox
01-10-2005, 11:10 PM
I sure hope your workshop doesn't float away on you ;)

Too bad Defi doesn't offer an intake manifold temp gauge in their BF series

Richard Paul
01-10-2005, 11:23 PM
RG yes but you probably have good drainage in the streets. And idiots don't live on hillsides.

Philo, you might have to look at aeromotive, (I think thats their name) they make a split gauge with both ambiant and manifold. I put one of those in Wilt Chamberlains car along with others from the same company.

Xyntax
01-10-2005, 11:31 PM
:eek:

rotarygod
01-10-2005, 11:38 PM
And idiots don't live on hillsides.

If you can find a hill here, you let me know. ;)

Richard Paul
01-10-2005, 11:44 PM
Well, idiot that I am I'd find it.

Red Devil
01-11-2005, 07:32 AM
Everything looks good philodox, can't wait to hear your impressions...

I didn't notice if you mentioned, but for curiosity, how much does the kit weigh?

truemagellen
01-11-2005, 08:03 AM
Everything looks good philodox, can't wait to hear your impressions...

I didn't notice if you mentioned, but for curiosity, how much does the kit weigh?

wickedly good question...I know it willl be an over estimation but if you haven't weighed it already check if there are properly labeled weights on the UPS label

philodox
01-11-2005, 08:28 AM
Okay guys, I have about 30 minutes before I head over to the shop to start working on the car again. The only thing I weighed was the exhaust manifold. The NEW exaust manifold weigs about 6.5lbs more then the stock, which is pretty damn good considering it's cast steel. The rest of the kit is negligable (I spell that right). The Intercooler is about 5lbs, piping for the intake is all aluminum and weighs about as much as a pair of socks, and the turbo is about 10lbs I'm guessing.. I wish I could have weighed them all together before I put them on..

The UPS Shipping weight for each box was:
51.8lbs
25.4.bs
So about 77.2lbs..

truemagellen
01-11-2005, 08:52 AM
thank's Philly

2ks2k
01-11-2005, 08:57 AM
Stop posting here and go :D !!! No sense in wasting time when it could be well spent installing a turbo kit ;)

Thanks for all the pics and the write up, by the way. Now we are looking forward to your driving impressions tonight on the way home ;) ...trying to be optimistic.

09Factor
01-11-2005, 08:57 AM
Just seeing a turbo anywhere near an 8 is great, leat alone one in an 8 !
followed this thread from day one and is a great read. :)

i'm jealous.

Now for a Stupid question.
I realize that Greddy won't make a A/T kit. :rolleyes:
What would be the diffrence between a M/T and A/T turbo kit. I know the maps for the emanage and maybe the downpipe.

Sorry for jacking your thread...

philodox
01-11-2005, 08:58 AM
Okay guys, one last post to answer a question before I head out the door.. Be back for more updates around 8pm EST guys.. maybe earlier.. but for usre by 8pm EST unless all hell breaks loose

was the blow off valve in the picture included in the kit or seperate...
curiousy because its kinda liek out there... i would figure they would pack it with everything else...

SWEET TURBO

No, that wasn't included in the kit.. I bought that seperatly.

czr
01-11-2005, 09:17 AM
Why does today feel like it's the day Phil gives birth? And we're all anxious relatives.

Good luck Phil!

AQA101
01-11-2005, 11:08 AM
Great write-up so far, by far the most interesting story I've read for some time!

Good luck for the next hours!

smrx8
01-11-2005, 11:16 AM
He should of put a live camara at his shop :D

AQA101
01-11-2005, 11:55 AM
I heavily support that idea!

Silverarrow
01-11-2005, 12:29 PM
Philo, just wanted to see where you were planning to mount the eManage? I want to mount it in the cabin but am unsure where there is room (maybe behind glovebox? Anyway, my install is just a bit farther along (i have been working in my home garage for the past 3 days though), I have everything plumbed, have to start putting panels back on next and mount emanage. Goodluck with everything, brother in arms!

p.s. be careful with the o2 sensor, i stripped the threads on mine and that sets you back 300bux from the local dealer OWW!!!

foxman
01-11-2005, 01:26 PM
Well guys/gals, that's it for todays installment of the great Greddy install adventure. We'll wrap things up tomorrow for sure. What do you think so far?

Great photos and play by play, keep up the good work!

high_ping
01-11-2005, 02:47 PM
Yep, keep 'em coming...my credit card is just waiting for the final word on this turbo!

ALMOST8IT
01-11-2005, 03:01 PM
Philodox,
Thanks for sharing, this is yet another great thread on this site.

Iwannarex8
01-11-2005, 03:47 PM
6 1/2 hours............hope hes testing it by now!

army_rx8
01-11-2005, 03:58 PM
mmmmmmmmm turbolishis lol....man i can' twait to hear how it goes....and i can' twait to hear some of his thoughts dpown the road (i'm hoping to get mine during spring break) i hope the greddy kits holds up nicly...granted they are always very concervative as to not mess up and engines:D

GO Philodox GO!!

cooldriver88
01-11-2005, 07:06 PM
Only a few more hours till we get to see the rest! :D

Moostafa29
01-11-2005, 07:09 PM
He must be out enjoying it, because its been awhile. Come on man...don't keep us waiting! :D

xdrian
01-11-2005, 07:17 PM
NJ meet anytime soon ? hah id love to see this beast !

BaronVonBigmeat
01-11-2005, 07:28 PM
It's past 8, he's probably wrecked it already. ;)

09Factor
01-11-2005, 07:32 PM
It's past 8, he's probably wrecked it already. ;)
That, or blew the engine. ;)

philodox
01-11-2005, 07:34 PM
Okay guys, I'm officialy BLOWN. Just walked in the door it's 833pm EST. Unfortunately, I don't have the blow off valve on yet, no time.. doing that in the morning.. I can't stay any longer and post pics tonight. I have to go out of town, family emergency. I'll be back to wrap up the last part of the install at about 830-900am EST tomorrow morning.

Real quick though.. first impression.. DAMN!.. 2nd impression, well it's raining like there's a hurricane, so I couldn't go balls to the wall.. will have to wait until tomorrow.

-Jon

Silverarrow
01-11-2005, 07:41 PM
awesome

Omicron
01-11-2005, 07:53 PM
This is freakin great! I can't wait to hear more... see the rest of the pics, hear all about driving impresions, etc! :D :D :D

One question for ya Philo - where are you going to mount the boost gauge (and others, if you get 'em)?

cooldriver88
01-11-2005, 07:57 PM
Hey if your busy I will be willing to take your car out for a test-drive and tell you about it when you get back. :p

Lock & Load
01-11-2005, 08:00 PM
It's past 8, he's probably wrecked it already. ;)


A born optimist................ NOT :D


cheers
michael

Iwannarex8
01-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Okay guys, I'm officialy BLOWN. Just walked in the door it's 833pm EST. Unfortunately, I don't have the blow off valve on yet, no time.. doing that in the morning.. I can't stay any longer and post pics tonight. I have to go out of town, family emergency. I'll be back to wrap up the last part of the install at about 830-900am EST tomorrow morning. http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/cry.gif


first impression.. DAMN!.. http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/shocked.gif

army_rx8
01-11-2005, 08:15 PM
^^^ what he said:D

rx8wannahave
01-11-2005, 08:19 PM
philodox,

What a GREAT post, I just finished reading all of it. I can't wait for you to give us time slips, vids, etc

Has he said how much HP/Torque the Greddy Turbo is going to give him? The price was not too bad and hopefully it's driveablity is not messed up.

Philodox...I hope everything is OK with your family...take care...

ranger4277
01-11-2005, 09:00 PM
Kinda freaked me out when i see BLOWN in the post on first glance... heh.

Family first man, we've all waited a LONG time for this.. another day or two wait isn't that bad. I too hope all is OK with your family.

davefzr
01-11-2005, 09:13 PM
Yeah.. hope all is well with your family....

LiL BenNy
01-11-2005, 09:55 PM
god bless your family, hope everythings well.

RotorManiac
01-11-2005, 11:24 PM
Oh boy, I haven't visited this thread for a couple of days and I missed the whole thing!!
Great job!!

One question (maybe stupid) : What are the specs for the engine now, I mean, how long is it supposed to live (what GReddy says)? Now with FI life span is reduced, right?

...well, a quick answer to myself, who cares:p?

Omicron
01-11-2005, 11:37 PM
I think he meant BLOWN as in he now has FI, and/or BLOWN as in tired! :eek: :)

QuantumTheory08
01-11-2005, 11:56 PM
...found this thread tonight.

At last!!! an 8 with a turbo installed by one of us.

Way cool and I can't wait to see the results.

Thank you Philo.

-jcs-

brillo
01-12-2005, 12:02 AM
Oh boy, I haven't visited this thread for a couple of days and I missed the whole thing!!
Great job!!

One question (maybe stupid) : What are the specs for the engine now, I mean, how long is it supposed to live (what GReddy says)? Now with FI life span is reduced, right?

...well, a quick answer to myself, who cares:p?

With the proper setup and good maintenance, I don't think any low to mid boost applications are going to kill the life of the engine. What kills rotary's is detonation, and so long as you prevent that, our engines are solid. Since the easiest way to have detonation is for the A/F to run to lean, there are alot of ways this can happen.

the FD's had a crappy knock sensor, and most people didn't realize that even simple bolt on mods could screw up the A/F. That and the heat from the engine degraded the maze of vacuum hoses, which if broke could also cause a lean condition. Then, there were people that just turned up the boost and screwed up the A/F ratio, and boom. (see my poll)

So long story short, for low boost 5-9lbs, if history is an indication, with a propertly tuned and monitored turbo setup, assuming you maintain your car, you'll be killing your gas mileage happily for many years to come.

All of us 8 folks have the benefit of learning from the FC and FD folks what to and NOT to do. This is really important, at the end of the day, our engines are really not that different. I hope people take the time to understand the problems with pervious FI rotaries, that way, our only bitch will be about snaping out tranny's and burning up our clutches

Kel Rx8
01-12-2005, 12:06 AM
hope all is okay with the family jon

i cant make it sat but im sure next week i can come by and see the car
hit me up on aim when u get a chance.

MazdaManiac
01-12-2005, 01:40 AM
I dropped by today to check on Jon's installation. It looks very nice and solid.

The Greddy stuff is top notch and anyone that bashes it for being "whimpy" needs to get a grip. The manifold is the closest thing to OEM quality that you are going to see.

I got a good look at the E-Manage wire loom and it is a work of art. I would have killed to have one back when I was installing my E-Manage.
The maps are locked with a password, so I couldn't crack them open to see what they were doing for tuning, but the way they wired the injectors gave me some ideas.

My only complaint (besides the turbo being a bit on the small side) was that the instructions might be a bit vague for the average owner.
No matter, though. Jim (the tech helping Jon with the installation) is experienced and will make it happen.

Hopefully it will all be up and running tomorrow.

My custom installation is complete. I think Jon has a lot to look foward to on the road this weekend. :D

RX-Nut
01-12-2005, 02:15 AM
jealous

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:13 AM
Okay guys.. I JUST GOT HOME from my sisters place.. she was involved in an auto accident last night from all the rain we've had here in South Jersey but she is doing very well.

Okay.. now for the last part of the installation. I am going to ask you all to hold your replies until I'm done posting pictures/comments from the final portion of the installation. Don't worry, when I make the last post about the install, I'll let you know ;) Here we go...

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:22 AM
Okay guys, these pics aren't in PERFECT order since I took some pics out of order, but they do explain well how to place the peices on and how we had to modify a peice or two for fitment purposes.. Here is the first peice.

First was we wrapped up the oil return line from the turbo to the oil pan. GReddy should get a Nobel price for engineering for this one. They made is SO EASY. Here are the pics. Notice how it connects to the oil pan WITHOUT drilling or welding, it's just a barrel extension that replaces the oil drain plug that the return line connects to.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:34 AM
Now we had to mount the intercooler. We ran into a problem in clearance of the intercooler and the metal bumper. We had to alter the brackets. Here are pics of the brackets both before and after the alteration. Notice how we had to bend the steel bracket to lower the position of the intercooler so it didn't rub on the metal bumper. Also, here is a picture of the intercooler mounted.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:35 AM
Here is another picture from the front of the Intercooler mounted.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:37 AM
Now we had to run the piping from the turbo to the intercooler. We had to move a radiator hose a little bit by removing the plastic peice that held it in place, bending the metal bracket that held the plastic peice and the radiator hose, then used a zip tie to hold the radiator hose to the newly bent bracket. This gave us clearance for the intercooler piping. Here is a pic

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:38 AM
Now that we had the radiator hose out of the way we were able to run the piping from the turbo to the intercooler. Here are some pics. Again, I have to give props to GReddy for doing such a GREAT job with this kit. We had no issues with piping not fitting properly.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:42 AM
Now we had to remove the peice before the throttle body on the intake so we could run the plumbing from the intercooler to the throttle body. here are some pics. Also of note, Greddy says you have to disconnect the front sway bar so the piping can be run, you don't have to do this, I have a Racing Beat Front sway which is a lot thicker than stock and had no trouble running the piping with the sway bar still mounted.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:45 AM
Here is a picture of the air filter attached to the suctioin pipe going to the turbo.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:47 AM
Okay.. about this time, both Jim (my mechanic) and I were exhausted.. so pics are few and far between since I was worred more about finishing the installtion last night then taking pics.. so my apologies..

Next we connected the downpipe. Again, GReddy did a great job on this. We had no fitment issues, but those mounting bolts were a pain in the butt to get the nuts on. Here's the downpipe.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:48 AM
Now that the downpipe was on, we connected the catalytic converter and reattached the cross braces under the car. Here's a pic of the cat attached to the downpipe

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:49 AM
Now we had to reinstall the airpump. Forgot to take pics of the airpump itself in the engine bay, but here are some pics of the steel braided piping that connects from the air pump in the engine bay to the downpipe.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:53 AM
Alright, I am going to apologise again for not taking more pics.. but we were exhausted. Also, note that some of the pics were out of order of completion.. so sorry about that as well. But I think I covered all of the major issues of the installation. Here is one more pic of the engine bay completed. Also, here is a pic of the front of the car with the bumper on.. Notice the very STEALTHY look.. you can hardly see the intercooler.

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:58 AM
Okay guys.. I am not quite done yet. I am going to install the BOV today. Looks like I am going to have a very nice whoooosh sound from the sound of the backpressure to the turbo. I would highly recomment getting a BOV if you get this kit. This thing spools up so quick. Very responsive turbo. I also have to finish running the wiring for the boost gauge. I plan on mounting the boost gauge on the A-pillar. I'll take more pics of that later today. I am heading back over to Jim's shop today so we can wrap up the nit picky details.

Just for the record, the major surgery is finished, she runs GREAT. I do have a CEL up right now, but that's because we broke the oil pressure sensor on the engine so now it's not connected (that's causing the CEL). It's a useless switch anyhow, but I have to get a new one from the dealer ($10 peice).

I didn't take pics of where I mounted the e-manage yet because I have to wrap up mounting it in my glove box. That's where I am putting the e-manage and my Defi Link control unit for my gauges. I am going with Defi BF series white gauges since they match the dash perfectly in ever aspect.

Okay, now that I'm done posting pics for now, I'm going to open this thread back up for comments. I'm also going to search through and answer any questions that I may have missed. Lets here it! ;)

-Jon

philodox
01-12-2005, 07:59 AM
This is freakin great! I can't wait to hear more... see the rest of the pics, hear all about driving impresions, etc! :D :D :D

One question for ya Philo - where are you going to mount the boost gauge (and others, if you get 'em)?

I am currently talking to PTP and trying to get them to sell me the center dash gauge pod that they have only as a prototype. I have to wait for their manager to get back from vacation for an answer. for the time being, I am mounting the boost gauge on the A-Pillar

I think he meant BLOWN as in he now has FI, and/or BLOWN as in tired! :eek: :)
Both :)

rxrotary2_7
01-12-2005, 08:00 AM
looks great!
I should have two kits in hand next week. :)

crossbow
01-12-2005, 08:02 AM
Fantastic job! Thanks for the photos!

philodox
01-12-2005, 08:04 AM
Oh yeah.. I wanted to give a lot of thanks to my mechanic Jim from JPR Imports. He is a top notch mechanic and has years and years and years of rotary tuning experience. Here is his contact information for anyone that wants it

JPR Imports
409 South Blackhorse Pike
Blackwood, New Jersey 08012
856-227-1808


If anyone in the area needs work done on any rotary they have, Jim is the man to talk to.

SlashMatrix
01-12-2005, 08:08 AM
I don't think BLOWN was the best word choice for this thread :D :D :D
I love it though. I am excited for you. If you are ever in the Georgia area then come on down to athens. If i can't give you a run for your money by then, i will get my brother and his lotus to ;) Great post. Thanks for sharing.
A little side note.
If anyone knows of a good mechanic near the atlanta area please give me a PM. The people here are pretty much idiots when it comes to my car.

Spin9k
01-12-2005, 08:15 AM
I have a suggestion and a request philodox. Now that Jim has experience doing this conversion, perhaps he would be able to publish a "turbo install" price. esp as he now knows what to heck he is doing with all the little details, I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be more than happy to drive a little distance to get him to do it rather than DIY or have some local hackjob done.

Also maybe a summarization of the extra parts and costs you used beyond the kit would be helpful (rather than going through the thread and pick them out).

Lastly go drive the thing and tell us how beyond wonderful it feels to have the first in the (public) world RX-8 turbo when you put your foot down WOT! through the gears :D

Thanks for all the vicarious install pics (just so great) and commentary. Just spellbinding :cool: :) Thanks!

philodox
01-12-2005, 08:20 AM
I have a suggestion and a request philodox. Now that Jim has experience doing this conversion, perhaps he would be able to publish a "turbo install" price. esp as he now knows what to heck he is doing with all the little details, I'm pretty sure a lot of us would be more than happy to drive a little distance to get him to do it rather than DIY or have some local hackjob done.
Sure thing, I'll talk to him today when I go over there to work on this BOV and gauges.



Also maybe a summarization of the extra parts and costs you used beyond the kit would be helpful (rather than going through the thread and pick them out).

Greddy Type S BOV: $139
Aluminum Mounting Flange for BOV: $26
Defi BF white Boost Gauge: $224
Defi Link control unit: $114

that's it for extra stuff :)

Lastly go drive the thing and tell us how beyond wonderful it feels to have the first in the (public) world RX-8 turbo when you put your foot down WOT! through the gears :D

Hehe.. Thanks! But.. Mazdamaniac was the first.. He hand built his turbo and has had it on the road for about 2 weeks.

Thanks for all the vicarious install pics (just so great) and commentary. Just spellbinding :cool: :) Thanks!

Hey.. no problem.. just trying to support the RX-8 community with my personal experiences. Hope I've been a help.