Sorry if this was covered in another thread but will your 8 pass New Jersey inspection? I looked over the .PDF of the install instructions and Greddy notes that the kit is not “Street Legal”

Sorry if this was covered in another thread but will your 8 pass New Jersey inspection? I looked over the .PDF of the install instructions and Greddy notes that the kit is not “Street Legal”

My next inspectton date for my RX-8 is July 2008. I'll worry about it then ;)

Okay guys.. heading out to finish up with BOV and gauge stuff... Will post pics of those peices when I get back later today.

I dropped by today to check on Jon's installation. It looks very nice and solid.

The Greddy stuff is top notch and anyone that bashes it for being "whimpy" needs to get a grip. The manifold is the closest thing to OEM quality that you are going to see.

I got a good look at the E-Manage wire loom and it is a work of art. I would have killed to have one back when I was installing my E-Manage.
The maps are locked with a password, so I couldn't crack them open to see what they were doing for tuning, but the way they wired the injectors gave me some ideas.

My only complaint (besides the turbo being a bit on the small side) was that the instructions might be a bit vague for the average owner.
No matter, though. Jim (the tech helping Jon with the installation) is experienced and will make it happen.

Hopefully it will all be up and running tomorrow.

My custom installation is complete. I think Jon has a lot to look foward to on the road this weekend. :D

When you talk about the emanage being locked with a password, is that something Greddy did so you cant modify the maps? Is it possible to unlock it?

Thanks
Jason

Awsome!!! Congratulations on your "new" ride. I think we all feel like we were a part of this (at least I did). Talk about a "team" thread...

I don't know what else to say...I think we might be more excited than you :D

The only question I have is...are you going to put it on a dyno? It would be nice to see what it's putting down and to make sure it's not running too lean. Otherwise, it looks like everything was pretty straight forward.

If it were me I would have called in sick and I'd be driving through the mountains all day instead of reading this sad post ;)

I tend to agree with this sentiment, however the only thing that sticks in the back of my mind and bothers me is the (alleged?) side seal issue that was discussed and argued about in one of the "Mr. Port & Polish" threads. Is the consensus now that its not to be worried about? I thought Racing Beat had seen a similar issue. Not meaning to throw any sort of cold water on this thread, I think the FI progress here and with MazdaManiac's car is fantastic. I just want to be wary about assuming we won't have a new set of challenges compared to adding FI to the older cars.

jds

With the proper setup and good maintenance, I don't think any low to mid boost applications are going to kill the life of the engine. What kills rotary's is detonation, and so long as you prevent that, our engines are solid. Since the easiest way to have detonation is for the A/F to run to lean, there are alot of ways this can happen.

...

All of us 8 folks have the benefit of learning from the FC and FD folks what to and NOT to do. This is really important, at the end of the day, our engines are really not that different. I hope people take the time to understand the problems with pervious FI rotaries, that way, our only bitch will be about snaping out tranny's and burning up our clutches

When you talk about the emanage being locked with a password, is that something Greddy did so you cant modify the maps? Is it possible to unlock it?

Thanks
Jason
Yes. Greddy did this to keep people from fiddling with their maps.
It also keeps people from studying them like I want to.

The only way to unlock it is to know the password.

Jon -

Venting the BOV to the atmosphere will cause a very slight bog on light to medium throttle gear changes (my experience, anyway). This can be corrected by using the anti-stall feature of the E-Manage and clamping the MAF voltage to 1.8v or so on throttle lift.
If you can find someone who can crack the password for your E-Manage (I'm sure the code will get out here somehow), you can turn that feature on with your CZ cable and Support Tool.

I think I found a way to get that password. I will know more later today.

Jason

Just wanted to be one of the many to congratulate you on your turboed ride. Whats even better is that you were really nice in answering everyones questions, and posted lots of helpful pics. Now we just gotta wait on those dyno sheets and videos.

I think I found a way to get that password. I will know more later today.

Jason
That would make my day. I love that stuff!:D

I did some researching on the password - you might want to try anything you can think of - "greddy", "trust", the serial number on the unit, etc.

Dale

Hey guys, this may not be what you're talking about, but on the Tyranical CZ tuning DIY page it says that the password for Greddy E-Manage is "Itdii". I don't have the software yet myself, so I can't tell you if it works, but I hope this helps you out.

Phil, just curious can you post pics of how you fit teh wire harness into the ecu box? I can't get mine to fit with the lid on.

THanks

Great finish to your thread but I wanted a little more of your first impression.. DAMN!.. quotes:D and one question.........is the bov necessary?? or can you run the car without it and not encounter any problems.........I mean yea it sounds cool and it releases pressure but is there something in this turbo setup that does that automatically but to a lesser extent and the bov just does it better??

Congrats and thanks for the great pics, I hope you realize that my poll wasn't directed at you personally, more just for laughs as we all know that many car forums have people with more money than brains, which usually equals blown engines. You were wise enough to have it professionally installed, and are going further in terms of safety and monitoring, so I'm sure you'll be ok.

Hopefully, you can get it on a dyno soon, as we would all love to see the real world results. I'm not sure if there is such as thing as turbo breakin, but it would prolyy be a good idea to get the other stuff installed and drive it for a bit to make sure that nothings lose or not working. Especially since the dyno will rev the car to redline.

Again, great job, this is why I love this forum.

looks like you did a great jorb!!! So how long would you say the install took?

Yes. Greddy did this to keep people from fiddling with their maps.
It also keeps people from studying them like I want to.
The only way to unlock it is to know the password.


Jeff, this password protection means also not allowing poeple to mess with the turbo pressure, right?
There should be a way to crack it though...

You could write a macro to enter all the password combos. There is no auto-lockout on incorrect pass on the greddy unit as far as I know.

Some of the windows macro programs I used to use were smart enough to detect color and other things, so set it to look for a specific color on a dialogue box, enter passwords until the correct one is hit, then the dialogue box is gone and you are alerted to the last entered pass.

The boost pressure is completely mechanically limited by the wastegate. The E-Manage has no integral boost control.

The E-Manage will lock out the communication port after three tries of the password. After that, you need to cycle the power.

I got it, thanks:)
don't know crap about e-manage:rolleyes:

You can add boost control to the E-Manage with the Profec E-01 as I have.
Yet another budget-busting toy.

Great finish to your thread but I wanted a little more of your quotes:D and one question.........is the bov necessary?? or can you run the car without it and not encounter any problems.........I mean yea it sounds cool and it releases pressure but is there something in this turbo setup that does that automatically but to a lesser extent and the bov just does it better??


A BOV isn't neccessary for low-boost applications. But after paying all that $$, I'd sure as hell want the sound.

:D

A BOV isn't neccessary for low-boost applications. But after paying all that $$, I'd sure as hell want the sound.

:D

I hear you but another way to go is to play the sleeper........Im sure unsuspecting WRX's/SRT-4's and 350's would greatly appreciate that :D

I think I would actually leave it out.........I like to see these :eek: in the rear view mirror ............but you got to look quickly because they usually take the next exit or turn to get away:p

get some videos of it up and running soon! i want to hear it !

Neat kit can you guys foresee a problem fitting the Greddy turbo kit to Australian cars as we are Right hand drive :D

cheers
michael

Assuming the exhaust still exits on the right hand side of the engine, it might be a problem fitting it around steering linkage, but Greddy is just Trust from japan, so i assume they ahve it running ok on their RHD cars. Not sure if it is a different part number though....might have to check that out.

I hear you but another way to go is to play the sleeper........Im sure unsuspecting WRX's/SRT-4's and 350's would greatly appreciate that :D

I think I would actually leave it out.........I like to see these :eek: in the rear view mirror ............but you got to look quickly because they usually take the next exit or turn to get away:pand the on the 8th day, go created hybrid valves :D

http://www.gofastbits.com.au/index.php?parentid=products&option=products&sub_option=bovs&sub_sub_option=stealth_fx

my roomate's got on on his STi, very cool sound. although he's running almost 3 times the boost we would be with this kit..

A BOV isn't neccessary for low-boost applications. But after paying all that $$, I'd sure as hell want the sound.

:D
As long as your throttlebody is after the turbo/supercharger you should always have one. Regardless of boost. No they aren't necessary but neither is turbo longevity.

If people don't want them to be heard, just plumb their outlet back into the system after the air filter but before the turbo.

^before or after the MAFS?

If you were just going to dump it to the outside then it really deosn't matter. If the ecu might freak out because of this then plumb it back in after the maf.

Okay guys, just got home.. it's 630pm EST. Today I wrapped up the BOV and stowing/mounting the emanage, the defi link gauge control unit, and the Defi BF boost gauge. I made sure to take lots of pics. Here are some of the interior of the car where I have the e-manage and the gauge control unit. I used Velcro to attach the e-manage to the very back of the glovebox and the gauge control unit is on the left side of the glove box.

The e-manage may look lopsided, but it' snot.. the bottom of the glovebox is on a slant.

Here are some pics of the Defi BF Turbo gauge in white. Notice in the night pics the gauge matches PERFECTLY with the dash.. I was amazed at how good it looked.

Here are some shots of the GReddy Type S Blow Off Valve. Man this thing is LOUD. The intial setting of the BOV allowed too much unmetered air to get into the intake under vacume when you let your foot off the throttle which caused the engine to stall when you were out of gear and took your foot off the throttle. So we had to tighten up and that solved the problem. I have having zero issues with idle or the engine doing funky things in the middle RPM band when I shift or let off the throttle a little bit. It seems like it's perfectly tuned now. I love this thing.. sounds cool.. looks cool.. and it keeps my turbo from "unspooling" when you let off the throttle from the back pressure. In my opinion, with this GReddy kit, a Blow Off Valve is an absolute must have.

The check engine light that I had on earlier is gone now after disconnecting the battery and clearing the ECU. Both my mechanic and I believe that not having the BOV on to relieve the pressure caused the CEL. Since clearing the fault, I've gone through about 20 drive cycles with no CEL coming on. Everything is running awesome. I plan on take it to the dyno as soon as I can schedule some time. So hopefuly I can get it on the dyno in about a week or so. I have to call the shop that has the dyno tomorrow to schedule. Okay guys, I'm done with the pics and daily update. The kit is COMPLETELY installed now. I'll go ahead and answer the questions that I missed now.

maybe I missed it, but how does she drive with the turbo?!

freakin awesome man.....so how is the difference?? What is it like driving?

Impressions...

Please.. we beg you.. haha Tell us your experience while driving the 8.

Come on now.. tell us how it is to drive... :)

maybe I missed it, but how does she drive with the turbo?!

Like a bat out of hell. I don't notice too much in 1st and 2nd gear since I go through them so damn quick. 3rd gear is where you REALLY notice the extra power and torque. I'm talking about being pinned to the seat starting at about 3250RPM all the way up to red line.

Today while driving we had very very heavy fog, so the roads were a tad bit wet. If I mashed the throttle I could break the wheels and go sideways in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear....... :eek:

I have one large question for you. I know on shawrf1's install, they left the stock airbox in place (with some visual mods to it). How hard do you think it would be/how much cutting etc. would need to be done to be able to mount the stock air box back with the GReddy intake system?

You have got to do a video. We are dying to hear what the car sounds like now. Even if it's just for a few seconds. Try and take one as soon as possible.

Great work on posting the pictures btw. We all appreciate it.

Oh, and congrats man. I'm planning to have mine put in around November (when I get back from Iraq and spend the required amount of time with my wife before playing with my car) at Rotary Performance.

I have one large question for you. I know on shawrf1's install, they left the stock airbox in place (with some visual mods to it). How hard do you think it would be/how much cutting etc. would need to be done to be able to mount the stock air box back with the GReddy intake system?
You would have to completely gut it. It would look nice, though.

The check engine light that I had on earlier is gone now after disconnecting the battery and clearing the ECU. Both my mechanic and I believe that not having the BOV on to relieve the pressure caused the CEL. Since clearing the fault, I've gone through about 20 drive cycles with no CEL coming on. Everything is running awesome. I plan on take it to the dyno as soon as I can schedule some time. So hopefuly I can get it on the dyno in about a week or so. I have to call the shop that has the dyno tomorrow to schedule. Okay guys, I'm done with the pics and daily update. The kit is COMPLETELY installed now. I'll go ahead and answer the questions that I missed now.
Jon, let me know when you plan on hitting a dyno. I'll make the drive up and bring lunch. We can split the cost and dyno both cars.
Too bad I wasn't there for the CEL. I could have grabbed the code and we would know what it was.

I have one large question for you. I know on shawrf1's install, they left the stock airbox in place (with some visual mods to it). How hard do you think it would be/how much cutting etc. would need to be done to be able to mount the stock air box back with the GReddy intake system?

I highly recommend using the intake system that comes with the greddy kit. The only part of the stock airbox that you leave in is the bottom mounting peice. That peice is left in to help prevent any water that may splash up into the engine compartment from getting on the air filter. There was very minor modifications to that peice. Just had to trim 3 of the prongs off the bottom of it so the piping could be run unobstructed.

You have got to do a video. We are dying to hear what the car sounds like now. Even if it's just for a few seconds. Try and take one as soon as possible.

Great work on posting the pictures btw. We all appreciate it.

I'm going to work on the video tomorrow. Everyone pray that it dries up some here in NJ. Otherwise I won't be able to to full blown runs without going sideways from the rear wheels breaking out. I can do some video tonight with the car idling and revving up. You will be able to hear the turbo spool up and the BOV vent. Someone who can host this please PM me and I'll go shoot the video and transfer it on my computer tonight. Again, the full runs will have to wait until tomorrow.

-Jon

Any idea how badly mileage will suffer?

I plan to use the GReddy intake system, I just want to put the stock airbox back on over it for looks. I don't like the huge gap that is all of a sudden in the engine bay (plus I had my engine cover, battery cover, and airbox painted up, and like the way they look together). "Completely gut it" sounds about like what I was thinking.

philodox, just PM me when you have some videos to host.

Ack! This has got to be the most exciting thread in this forum ever! Congrats philodox! Hope it dries and gets sunny out there. We're beginning to get some sun here in Cali. The road is just waiting for a Cali RX-8T.

philodox, just PM me when you have some videos to host.

Will do.. I should have the one I planned on making tonight ready in about an hour or so. Have to scrounge up some food first.. haven't eaten yet today.

I don't think I would be able to eat if I were you! Just this thread has me so excited that I actually dreamed last night that I had my own kit to install. Except the turbo mounted up where the fusebox was.... I remember not liking that. :D

Haven't eaten? I can understand that. Now...have you SLEPT?

;^)

Oh yeah.. I remember someone asking me what my mechanic would charge for the GReddy Turbo kit install. I kind of got a special deal.. but he is offering this price to the forum members

$950 installed. I know Acousta Racing up in northern NJ is charging like $1250'ish. The install takes a while. Both Jim and I had about 16 hours worth of labor with 2 people working on it. If you don't want to search this thread.. Here is the contact info for his shop again.

JPR Imports
409 South Black Horse Pike
Blackwood, NJ 08012
(856) 227-1808

I remember reading somewhere that some forum vendor was going to charge like $550 for the install, I think they are on crack.. it's just way too much labor to be charging that low of a rate.

Haven't eaten? I can understand that. Now...have you SLEPT?

;^)
Sleep? I slept like a baby last night for the first time since I ordered the kit from Mazdatrix last Weds.

Congradulations on an awsome installation and photo pics. Keep up the good work.

-jcs-

Oh yeah.. I remember someone asking me what my mechanic would charge for the GReddy Turbo kit install. I kind of got a special deal.. but he is offering this price to the forum members

$950 installed. I know Acousta Racing up in northern NJ is charging like $1250'ish. The install takes a while. Both Jim and I had about 16 hours worth of labor with 2 people working on it. If you don't want to search this thread.. Here is the contact info for his shop again.

JPR Imports
409 South Black Horse Pike
Blackwood, NJ 08012
(856) 227-1808

I remember reading somewhere that some forum vendor was going to charge like $550 for the install, I think they are on crack.. it's just way too much labor to be charging that low of a rate.


Sleep? I slept like a baby last night for the first time since I ordered the kit from Mazdatrix last Weds.


not too bad a price i think i'll have to maybe drive up to NJ when i get my kit (hopfully spring break cross your fingers for me;))...i checked a few places down here and it was liek 1500 to install it, barring any unforseen problems. Damn rich people in NOVA driving up the cost of everythign b/c they all make way more money than i do:(....oh wait i'm an unemployed student:p

Will do.. I should have the one I planned on making tonight ready in about an hour or so. Have to scrounge up some food first.. haven't eaten yet today.Okay, one hour from 4:11, :31 to go.

I feel like a kid waiting to open presents on Christmas morning but I cant start due to my parents making coffee.

Philodox Im so jealous..I can only imagine what the car feels like now. Congrats on your tubroed 8, im green with envy.;)

Okay, just made the idle/rev video with my roomates help as a camera man. Just waiting on word from JasonHamilton on how to get him the file. It's about 3.5mb

Oh very nice! I want to hear a sound clip maybe a video?

Nice. I cant wait to order my kit.

Daaaamn. I am JEALOUS as hell. :D But I'm also impressed with the quality of this kit - and the relative ease of installation. Sounds like Greddy did it up right, and at a "reasonable" price to boot!

We definitely need to get that eManage password cracked, or provided to us somehow. Those of us at high elevations may have problems otherwise.

So Jon, I don't suppose you plan on taking your car to a drag strip to quantify how much more of a "bat outta hell" it is now? Or at least maybe GTech it? Dyno numbers are greatly anticipated, but I'd love to know just what +60 WHP can do for the '8s time.

Regardless, awesome thread, and awesome job on all of this!

HOLLY SHIT BATMAN!!! We must get a hold of this tape! :D

P.S. this thread made my week. Because we have stupid finals :(

Can’t wait to see more.

-Derek

Daaaamn. I am JEALOUS as hell. :D But I'm also impressed with the quality of this kit - and the relative ease of installation. Sounds like Greddy did it up right, and at a "reasonable" price to boot!

Yes sir.. it is very impressive for a bolt on kit. I have zero complaints.

We definitely need to get that eManage password cracked, or provided to us somehow. Those of us at high elevations may have problems otherwise. I'm working on it. I'm going to make a few phone calls tomorrow and see if I can track it down.

So Jon, I don't suppose you plan on taking your car to a drag strip to quantify how much more of a "bat outta hell" it is now? Or at least maybe GTech it? Dyno numbers are greatly anticipated, but I'd love to know just what +60 WHP can do for the '8s time.

Well, according to my gauges, the max boost I saw was .51kPa.. which equals about 7psi. The average boost I saw was .45kPa which equals about 6.5psi. With those boost pressures and my NA dyno of 187whp I would speculate I'm currently around 250whp +/- 5whp. I'll know exact figures when I take it on the dyno in a week or so.

**EDIT** those kPa numbers should be multiplied by 100. **EDIT**

PM Sent regarding the video..
we'll see if that helps :)

Okay guys.. got the file uploaded. Here is the link to the video

http://tyrannical.org/philodox1.wmv

Enjoy!

**EDIT** okay, the file is no longer corrupt.. should be good to go now! **EDIT**

OMFG THAT IS INSAIN!!!!
it sounds sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo nice!!!

dead sexy!!!!!!!! very nice!!!!

But the end of the video doesn’t work for me :(

But the end of the video doesn’t work for me :(

try downloading it again.. the file was corrupted, had to reload it on the server. should be good now.

OMG I need to go change my pants! :o

Man I am in love with your car. I can't get enough of the blow off valve sound.

-Derek

AWESOME!!! to bad i have an auto, i would buy that in a heart beat...AHHH i am so pumped. If i ever die i just want some to play that clip and my heart will jump start!\

i would love to see a clip of you taking off

i would love to see a clip of you taking off

I'll try tomorrow.. I just don't want to do a crazy launch or drive insane with the roads as wet as they are.. last thing I need is my 8 wrapped around a tree..

What did you guys think of the gauge? Think it goes well with the dash cluster?

More, more, more, more, more.....must have more. Need video in motion. What exhaust are you running?

BTW the boost gauge is perfect, if a little expensive.

I dig the gauge a lot. Unfortunately, I don't leave my dash back lights on full white all the time, so I think it would bug me (whether I had the red or the white). So, I'm gonna go with the regular Link Meter gauges, instead of the BF series. But, it still looks badass, bro.

What does Greddy say about turbo timers, or is this setup too mild for one?

Im so impressed, keep us updated!

oh and ur blow off valve sounds incredible

What does Greddy say about turbo timers, or is this setup too mild for one?

turbo timer will come later.. I have to figure out how to connect it to the ignition.. in the mean time.. I let the car idle for about a minute before turning it off just so it can cool down

I dig the gauge a lot. Unfortunately, I don't leave my dash back lights on full white all the time, so I think it would bug me (whether I had the red or the white). So, I'm gonna go with the regular Link Meter gauges, instead of the BF series. But, it still looks badass, bro.

I always keep mine white. I had a 2nd gen and hated the amber red!

What exhaust are you running?

Borla Cat Back.. for a list of mods, look at my sig.

by the beard of zeus! amazing!

Im considering dropping out of school to buy this kit.

The white is too bright for me. Probably a hold over from all the night flying that I do.

video isnt working for me :(

i see ur engine but then the video just stops

The white is too bright for me. Probably a hold over from all the night flying that I do.

hehe, i usually fly with the panel lights dimmed all the way down.. in my car I like it bright.. in a helicopter, not so bright.

Forgive me, but there was a noise (not the turbo sound) that I was hearing...like a high pitch wine...HIGH pitch, like if something was wrong or something? Was it just me? I don't know much about Turbo's or SC but I do remember that Turbo sound...but not the other high pitch sound????

Philodox....what can I say, that thing looks sooo good. Thanks for shareing it and I to can't wait for some dyno numbers, more video, 0-60 times...etc etc

Forgive me, but there was a noise (not the turbo sound) that I was hearing...like a high pitch wine...HIGH pitch, like if something was wrong or something? Was it just me? I don't know much about Turbo's or SC but I do remember that Turbo sound...but not the other high pitch sound????

Philodox....what can I say, that thing looks sooo good. Thanks for shareing it and I to can't wait for some dyno numbers, more video, 0-60 times...etc etc

the VERY HIGH PITCh was the blow off valve releasing pressure when I let off the gas.. nothing bad..

the boost guage looks HORRIBLE and the car sounds HORRIBLE with all that whining and psshting!! and has the camera guy ever heard of a little thing called FOCUS?!

i think the only thing you can do now to save face and not have to be embarrased to drive the thing is to rip the whole works out, box it up and send it to me!:D no you dont need to pay me to take it ill do it for free as a good will gesture to a fellow 8 owner.:) should i just pm my address to you now?

the boost guage looks HORRIBLE and the car sounds HORRIBLE with all that whining and psshting!! and has the camera guy ever heard of a little thing called FOCUS?!

i think the only thing you can do now to save face and not have to be embarrased to drive the thing is to rip the whole works out, box it up and send it to me!:D no you dont need to pay me to take it ill do it for free as a good will gesture to a fellow 8 owner.:) should i just pm my address to you now?

hehe.. I'm going to school him on how to use the camcorder.. Oh yeah.. nice try zoom44 ;)

ok so im jealous and joking of course:D great job philodox! it really sounds beautiful. the whole thread has been a great read. thanks alot. now if RICHARD PAUL would just get the axial kits done....

ok so im jealous and joking of course:D great job philodox! it really sounds beautiful. the whole thread has been a great read. thanks alot. now if RICHARD PAUL would just get the axial kits done....

hey now, don't knock Richard.. he's almost had to deal with his shop floating away in all that rain he's gotten where he lives!

...That high pitch sound makes me think of some type of high speed, precision saw/laser weapon/"I don't know what just happened to me" - sliced in half sound.... How beautiful.

This will be what WRX's, and 350Z owners will be thinking, if they can hear it as the 8 leaves them.

Sweet music to my ears!!

Great job.

-jcs-

...That high pitch sound makes me think of some type of high speed, precision saw/laser weapon/"I don't know what just happened to me" - sliced in half sound.... How beautiful.

This will be what WRX's, and 350Z owners will be thinking, if they can hear it as the 8 leaves them.

Sweet music to my ears!!

Great job.

-jcs-
We'll see if it'll be leaving 350z's and WRX's after some dyno's. Personally, I prefer to NOT hear the blow off valve when i take off.. cuz like.. i want them to think they got beat by a stock car. mind games are fun.. maybe i'm a chick.

Thats awesome, just awesome. I dont know how else to say it. im shocked.

according to greddy, this avatar performance kit should give about 40% faster posting

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/831/turbosketch2pj.gif

Too bad I don't have 3 grand to spend. Sounds Kick Ass !

according to greddy, this avatar performance kit should give about 40% faster posting

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/831/turbosketch2pj.gif

Mind if I steal that graphic for my avatar?

How does the Baron make all those trick posts?????????

It wasn't the shop that flooded it was the house. Thanks for your concern philo. And I hope your family is well.

Too bad I don't have 3 grand to spend. Sounds Kick Ass !

Don’t forget to add another thousand for the install

Don’t forget to add another thousand for the install
Not worried about that, just the Emanage.

The vid was awesome, just awesome. Cant wait for some dyno/drag #'s.

Not worried about that, just the Emanage.

no problems with the e-manage. it came with a very very well constructed custom wiring harness. it's totally plug and play. the stock tune that comes with the e-manage is very good. No idling issues or lagging through the RPM band. of course, time will tell.. I've only had the turbo on for about 100 miles... we'll see how it goes at 500 miles.

Philo,

Post the mpg's over the next couple fill ups, Im curious how many mpg's will be lost.

Oh yeah, I love the boost guage it really sets off the dash. The PTP cluster would look sweeeeet.

Philo some questions:
1. How does your catback system perform? What's the diameter of your exhaust, will a wider one help?
2. Milage? Can you make an estimation, how bad it is;)
3. Can't wait for dyno and timeslips. I wanna see how well it does against the 'opponents' now...

Congrats. You lead the way, bro.

Mind if I steal that graphic for my avatar?

Yes of course, that's what I made it for.
:)

no problems with the e-manage. it came with a very very well constructed custom wiring harness. it's totally plug and play. the stock tune that comes with the e-manage is very good. No idling issues or lagging through the RPM band. of course, time will tell.. I've only had the turbo on for about 100 miles... we'll see how it goes at 500 miles.Ok let me elaborate. I have an auto (I can see the eyes rolling). looking at your install pics which are great BTW, I guess that the only problem w/ this kit on an auto would be the Emanage maps and maybe the shape of the down pipe. Also possibly the ignition too.

Anyone have an idea about this?

Philo some questions:
1. How does your catback system perform? What's the diameter of your exhaust, will a wider one help?

The Borla uses a 3" pipe I believe. you'll be hard pressed to find one that has a larger diameter pipe.

2. Milage? Can you make an estimation, how bad it is;) Not yet, I have to fill it up tomorrow and then start my mpg log over again. I'll keep the thread posted on mpg results


3. Can't wait for dyno and timeslips. I wanna see how well it does against the 'opponents' now... you, me, and the rest of the forum too! Stay tuned for more updates on this as well. It's only been 'fully functional' for about 6 hours now.

Ok let me elaborate. I have an auto (I can see the eyes rolling). looking at your install pics which are great BTW, I guess that the only problem w/ this kit on an auto would be the Emanage maps and maybe the shape of the down pipe. Also possibly the ignition too.

Anyone have an idea about this?
I thought the exhaust ports on the auto were different than the 6MT? I may be wrong, so I'm just speculating. I'm not sure about how the stock tune on the e-manage would interact with an auto..

Like a bat out of hell. I don't notice too much in 1st and 2nd gear since I go through them so damn quick. 3rd gear is where you REALLY notice the extra power and torque. I'm talking about being pinned to the seat starting at about 3250RPM all the way up to red line.

Today while driving we had very very heavy fog, so the roads were a tad bit wet. If I mashed the throttle I could break the wheels and go sideways in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear....... :eek:
3250 rpms..that is great. Your 8 must pull so hard now..

When you say you dont feel the turbo in 1st/2nd due to shifting through them so fast, what rpm were you shifting at? Did you feel the turbo at all in 1st/2nd above 3250?

...It's only been 'fully functional' for about 6 hours now.

...and you manage 100miles so quickly!! And you've been exhausted the last two days!! Well, I don't blame ya;):D:D

Thanks for the answers!

3250 rpms..that is great. Your 8 must pull so hard now..

When you say you dont feel the turbo in 1st/2nd due to shifting through them so fast, what rpm were you shifting at? Did you feel the turbo at all in 1st/2nd above 3250?

what I meant was that you get through 1st and 2nd gear so fast that you don't really 'feel' the turbo.. 3rd gear is a lot longer so you can feel the turbo.. hope that makes sense now.

Yes of course, that's what I made it for.
:)
Sweet! Thanks!

so... how does it handle? does it torque up at the high revs in cornering or do you know yet?

so... how does it handle? does it torque up at the high revs in cornering or do you know yet?

it's been too wet out for me to push it too hard.. the roads are kind of damp and in the straights I find the ass end of the car kicking out from under me at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears when I go WOT.

Wow Philo, how does it feel to so popular. Thinking of running for office? :)

I find the ass end of the car kicking out from under me at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears when I go WOT.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!????????? :eek:

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!????????? :eek:
Yeah, he is serious. Mine is the same way.

sounds like a UFO did the noise level change at all outside the vehicle and inside? During the vid, it sounded pretty quiet besides the bov. Hows the exhaust note any deeper?

Man going sideways on 4th is crazy!!! I green with envy... *filling out american express application as we speak :D

hehe, i usually fly with the panel lights dimmed all the way down.. in my car I like it bright.. in a helicopter, not so bright.

You're a helo pilot as well? What type?

You're a helo pilot as well? What type?
Working on getting my CFI/CFII right now. Then it's off to instruct for a while until I can build up flight time and get a real job. I have private, commercial, and instrument ratings done with.

Wow Philo, how does it feel to so popular. Thinking of running for office? :)
Don't remind me. I've never been one for the lime light.. but since this is an active contribution to the RX-8 community I can deal with it for a bit ;)

sounds like a UFO did the noise level change at all outside the vehicle and inside? During the vid, it sounded pretty quiet besides the bov. Hows the exhaust note any deeper?

Man going sideways on 4th is crazy!!! I green with envy... *filling out american express application as we speak :D
The exhaust note is actually quieter. The turbo is a restriction in the exhaust flow which will make a bunch quieter.. it's like adding another resonator.

You've inspired me to get a wooden box and write Turbo fund on it to puit 75% of all paychecks in..when the hell does the turbo come out for auto?

Looking back on all my buyers of the Latham Supercharger two occupations stand out. They were Airline pilots and Dentists. People who work with turbines all day long.

NICE!!!!!! :) Me likey....

Well.. we now have a new fastest growing thread. You just won king of the hill over the porting thread.. :)

I would say 8 pages in one day qualifies for such a title.

should be a sticky here

Damn it!!! My hard on won't go away. That is just kick a$$

should be a sticky here

wow.. heh.. I've never had a "sticky" thread before.. you guys give me too much credit :p

besides, with the amount of traffic on this particular thread, I don't see it going to the bottom of the pile anytime soon

GReddy should get a Nobel price for engineering for this one. They made is SO EASY. Notice how it connects to the oil pan WITHOUT drilling or welding, it's just a barrel extension that replaces the oil drain plug that the return line connects to.

I am going to have to disagree with the prize thing.... After seeing it today and thinking about it... it makes no sense to me why they would do this. why drain under the oil level? I would love to hear their logic in this design.
Overall the kit looks great! Glad you are happy with it. :)

I am going to have to disagree with the prize thing.... After seeing it today and thinking about it... it makes no sense to me why they would do this. why drain under the oil level? I would love to hear their logic in this design.
Overall the kit looks great! Glad you are happy with it. :)

If there are two cups of a liquid, one filled 3/4 of the way and the other 1/4 of the way and they were connected at the bottom of the cup by a tube, the liquid will level out and each would end up being 1/2 full. That's the nature of liquids.. same principle applies to the oil pan and the GReddy turbo. the oil drain line will drain the oil below the turbo itself. No oil will sit in the turbo when it's off.

You've inspired me to get a wooden box and write Turbo fund on it to puit 75% of all paychecks in..when the hell does the turbo come out for auto?
Looks like the greddy kit will work, but the only thing in the way the piggyback for the fuel management. I looked at the service man. for the 8 and the exhaust manifold porting looks to be the same fot the HP and LP motor... just keeping my finger crossed that some one will find the password to the emanage unit..

Too much reading must go to bed....:(

Boonza philodox the high piched turbo blow off valve noise reminds me of the film PREDATOR with ARNIE when the big bloke i think his a wrestler gets his massive circular machine gun and tries to blast the predator in the jungle . :D

Any one know the name of that machine gun ? :cool: that sucker will make sure theres no traffic in your way if its correctly mounted on your RX8 :)

cheers
michael

If there are two cups of a liquid, one filled 3/4 of the way and the other 1/4 of the way and they were connected at the bottom of the cup by a tube, the liquid will level out and each would end up being 1/2 full. That's the nature of liquids.. same principle applies to the oil pan and the GReddy turbo. the oil drain line will drain the oil below the turbo itself. No oil will sit in the turbo when it's off.
is pressure factored into that? Time? sure I understand how fluids would level out....
Nevermind, I will keep it to myself...

If everything goes well tomorrow I will be picking up my new RX-8 and installing the Greddy kit this weekend. I should have some good dyno numbers by early next week. We will then pull and port the motor in the next couple of weeks.

Jason
www.rx8store.com

so what's going on there at 21 seconds.. it sounds funky.

holey crap man.. that thing is mean.. congrats... i hope you have no problems with it so more owners can make the jump to lightspeed without worries.

cant wait for dynos.., would be sweet to see 250 whp.. i think i'd splooge. that would probably mean somewhere near 300hp flywheel, no?

I need a good website to learn about this turbo goodies.. like what is a BOV, what are all the gauges for... what is a turbo timer... what is a wastegate.. what do you need for all this.. im so excited im confused.

Boonza philodox the high piched turbo blow off valve noise reminds me of the film PREDATOR with ARNIE when the big bloke i think his a wrestler gets his massive circular machine gun and tries to blast the predator in the jungle . :D

Any one know the name of that machine gun ? :cool: that sucker will make sure theres no traffic in your way if its correctly mounted on your RX8 :)

cheers
michael
it's a gattling gun.. not sure what model.

I need a good website to learn about this turbo goodies.. like what is a BOV, what are all the gauges for... what is a turbo timer... what is a wastegate.. what do you need for all this.. im so excited im confused.
snuggle up with a good book. :) LOL
I guess you could start here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

Mr. New Turbo Happiest Man Ever:

Does this only void the driveline warranty? Can you please touch up on what warranties I will be giving up should I install one of these?

Or was it not even a concern to you as you seem to have expert help at your disposal?

Thanks.

I saw that this kit is NOT CARB legal. So does that mean that it won’t pass emissions?

If you're worried about warranties, I wouldn't recommend a kit like this at all. I figure any dealer would try and find a reason to invalidate just about every warranty on the car, especially since you're "splicing" into the PCM, which controls so much stuff.

so what's going on there at 21 seconds.. it sounds funky.

that was my foot slipping off the throttle.. it's really wet outside right now.. fog is almost unbelievable.

is pressure factored into that? Time? sure I understand how fluids would level out....
Nevermind, I will keep it to myself...

it's a 3/8" line.. hot oil is very thin.. flows very easily through the hose.. much easier to understand how it's a good drain if you see in person.. pictures never really capture everything

I saw that this kit is NOT CARB legal. So does that mean that it won’t pass emissions?
I think GReddy is working on making this CARB legal, that's why there is no BOV included in the kit and they don't totally remove the airpump from the exhaust system.

Why would a BOV prevent them from getting CARB certified? Its venting pressurized air on the intake side, not exhaust gasses.

jds



...

I think GReddy is working on making this CARB legal, that's why there is no BOV included in the kit and they don't totally remove the airpump from the exhaust system.

The whole not being CARB legal is the big thing holding me back from getting it. Because here in Cali. we have very strict emissions :(

Why would a BOV prevent them from getting CARB certified? Its venting pressurized air on the intake side, not exhaust gasses.

jds

a 'vent to atmospher' blow off valve would not be carb legal. a recirculating has a chance to be.

philodox...........I think you are famous..........this thread got 1000 hits today http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/shocked.gif

This thread should be renamed, even if not stickied. The countdown is over. :D

I saw that this kit is NOT CARB legal. So does that mean that it won’t pass emissions?

don't hold your breath, I doubt any FI kit that is going to come out in the future is going to pass emissions in california :mad: . Guess we have to weigh out the beneifts and consequences.

Plus, even though it would be pretty tough, you can remove the turbo and return everything to stock when that time comes. Another reason why a s/c be a better option, easier to install and easier to remove. It could be done either way tho.

You guys have it so bad with regards to emissions in Cali.
Here in Maryland, they just hook a cable to the OBD-II port and if you have no codes, you pass. The only visual inspection is the tighness of the gas cap and the presence of and exhaust system.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't dealers LOVE warranties? That way they can fix the shit out of everything and bill Mazda? When I had a Camaro, my service rep would fix just about anything under warranty. ANYTHING. Over and Over. (How about $64 labor 3 different times just to apply "adhesive" to pieces of my dash to prevent rattles) When I had put on a catback exhaust, somehow my catalytic converter got damaged and they replaced it. I am under the assumption that a dealer encourages you to get as much warranty repair work as possible so their service dept. makes more $$$. I wouldn't even put it past them to 'overlook' the turbo unless there was some serious driveline damage that they couldn't justify to Mazda without their being some FI or blatant abuse...

Thoughts?

If you're worried about warranties, I wouldn't recommend a kit like this at all. I figure any dealer would try and find a reason to invalidate just about every warranty on the car, especially since you're "splicing" into the PCM, which controls so much stuff.

Dealers have to jump through hoops to get reimbursed for warrantee repairs. They also run the risk of not being reimbursed at all and must get prior approval for a given repair.
Additionally, they don't get their full labor rate from Mazda and parts are paid wholesale.
They make about 40% of the retail price for a warrantee repair.

Dealers would much rather have you pay out of pocket.

phil Im curious how well your stock tranny is goingto hold up w/the turbo kit. Doyou ever plan on upgrading it inthe future now that your cars warranty is completely gone? I cantwait to see your dynos

how would you upg the tranny.. its not like they sell aftermarket heavy duty rx-8 trannies do they, yet? or is it like a universal model?

Im guessing he is going to cryo treat the gears and weld weak spots on the tranny for it to last longer. Also probably replace the clutch for a heavy duty clutch amd fly wheel.

I want I want I want!

ok i might be wrong here but did some one say that wonderful device was $3k? thas what £1750 ish OMG!!!!!!!! now how much will it cost to transport my car to the states!

that one sweet toy you have there! just remeber no braking speed limits! lol!

Im guessing he is going to cryo treat the gears and weld weak spots on the tranny for it to last longer. Also probably replace the clutch for a heavy duty clutch amd fly wheel.

I am wondering how hard it would be to use the FD 5 speed. They are quite strong and plentiful.

What oil do you guys (jeff and philo) use now??
how often do you plan to change it?
thanks:)

phil Im curious how well your stock tranny is goingto hold up w/the turbo kit. Doyou ever plan on upgrading it inthe future now that your cars warranty is completely gone? I cantwait to see your dynos

I don't see a problem with the transmission, LSD, or lightweight flywheel I have. I'll be under 300whp so there isn't THAT much stress there. However, i don't expect my stock clutch to last more than 6 months. I need to replace that anyhow since I race the damn thing (autocross/solo II)

I am wondering how hard it would be to use the FD 5 speed. They are quite strong and plentiful.
I believe it's the latest issue of Modified Mag that there is a RX-8 on the cover. They transplanted a FD's REW engine into it. They are using the stock transmission, drive shaft, and LSD. I think the bell housings mate perfectly so if need be, I'll just drop in a 3rd gen tranny and get a different drive shaft if the stock one on the RX-8 is too short/long. Who knows, maybe they are direct fit as shown in that conversion in the Modified Mag. I think that's the magazine anyhow, I need to go to the bookstore and buy it to read up more.

What oil do you guys (jeff and philo) use now??
how often do you plan to change it?
thanks:)
I use Royal Purple Synthetic 5w20. I love the stuff. Synthetics are even better for turbos because of the viscosity (I can't spell today, please excuse me). I'll still continue to use the Royal Purple oils.


Oh yeah... please call me Jon guys.. that's my name ;)

Can a Mod change the title of this thread to "Greddy Turbo Install Complete.. Details Inside!"? I think that title best describes the threads contents now. Thanks!

-Jon

I don't think I saw a highflow cat listed in your sig. Are you planning on running one in the future, or any concerns about leaning out the fuel system too much if you went to one? Or do you think the emanage is running rich enough to handle that alteration? I would think it would be fine, but just curious...

Video was great.

I don't think I saw a highflow cat listed in your sig. Are you planning on running one in the future, or any concerns about leaning out the fuel system too much if you went to one? Or do you think the emanage is running rich enough to handle that alteration? I would think it would be fine, but just curious...

Video was great.

Actually, a High Flow cat and removing the resonator are in my future plans. The Turbo is a restriction in the exhaust system so the HF Cat and resonator removal would benifit a lot. I'm going to be getting the e-manage custom tuned as soon as I find out the password for it and put about 500 miles on the car to make sure things are stable as is.

If everything goes well tomorrow I will be picking up my new RX-8 and installing the Greddy kit this weekend. I should have some good dyno numbers by early next week. We will then pull and port the motor in the next couple of weeks.

Jason
www.rx8store.com


I was thinking about this yesterday. If you port it then wouldn't you have to tweak the Air/Fuel Ratios? If the map is locked then that might be hard to do........

Boonza philodox the high piched turbo blow off valve noise reminds me of the film PREDATOR with ARNIE when the big bloke i think his a wrestler gets his massive circular machine gun and tries to blast the predator in the jungle . :D

Any one know the name of that machine gun ? :cool: that sucker will make sure theres no traffic in your way if its correctly mounted on your RX8 :)

cheers
michael

Here it is: http://www.abum.com/?show_media=3797&file_type=Movies

I love this thread! Guns and turbos! :D

I must not understand CARB. Its venting air! Someone call Arnold, surely he'll get that repealed :D That would explain the presence of the stock BOV (they had a different name for it) on the FD though...it did in fact vent to the airbox.

jds

a 'vent to atmospher' blow off valve would not be carb legal. a recirculating has a chance to be.

I was thinking about this yesterday. If you port it then wouldn't you have to tweak the Air/Fuel Ratios? If the map is locked then that might be hard to do........

Yes would need to change the timing and the A/F. I can get the password thru Greddy to unlock the Emanage.

Jason

Here it is: http://www.abum.com/?show_media=3797&file_type=Movies

I love this thread! Guns and turbos! :D


Wow that's the video I captured and posted on the rx7 forums a few years ago. I still can't stand to see that vert destroyed. :(

Whew. I finally read through the entire thread and saw the video. Congrats on your turbo philodox, and thanks for raising the bar.

turbo timer will come later.. I have to figure out how to connect it to the ignition.. in the mean time.. I let the car idle for about a minute before turning it off just so it can cool down



I always keep mine white. I had a 2nd gen and hated the amber red!



Borla Cat Back.. for a list of mods, look at my sig.

I just bought a remote car starter for my wifes car, it has turbo cool down on it
too. $149.00 at autozone. It's a pain to install though, especially with the
rx8. (you will have to leave a key in the car for it to operate)

a 'vent to atmospher' blow off valve would not be carb legal. a recirculating has a chance to be.
...which makes less than no sense, as the air the car is venting, is the same air the car is drawing from the atmosphere - just pressurized. :)

Damn CARB and their emissionsNazis...

:D


A word on Trannies...I'm under the impression HP doesn't kill transmissions - TORQUE kills transmissions. Say Jon's car is at the 250hp mentioned...I'd bet his torque numbers are hovering around the 200lbs-ft mark; hardly 'massive amounts'.

:D

I kept swearing I'd not TOUCH this car until the warranty was expired...dammit. I miss boost.

Yes would need to change the timing and the A/F. I can get the password thru Greddy to unlock the Emanage.

Jason


You hear that Jeff (MazdaManiac)? I7d think that this would interest you quite a bit...

You hear that Jeff (MazdaManiac)? I7d think that this would interest you quite a bit...
Yes. I'm listening.:D

So, what is it Jason?

Jon, are you planning to find out your new top speed? I wonder if you manage to hit redline in sixth gear now ...

(here in Germany top speed is the most often asked car attribute besides hp, whereby quartermile times are virtually unknown)

Congrats for the install and thanks for the great report!

...which makes less than no sense, as the air the car is venting, is the same air the car is drawing from the atmosphere - just pressurized. :)
yes but the PCM doesn't know that that air is being vented, so it contiues to eject air.

~130 lbs(weight not pressure) of air through the maf will cause 10 lbs of fuel to be injected (quantities exaggerated). take some of that air out through the BOV and the computer still injects 10lbs of fuel, it doesn't know the air is gone. if 10 lbs of air come out the AFR goes from 13:1 to 12:1, which is way rich. in a recirc system the air stays in the system, just gets dumped to the low pressure side. burnt fuel is way less harmful to the air than fuel vapor.

A little btw, didn't the Australian car with only 7.5psi give 52% increase in hps
and 65% increase in torque?

If you are running 6.5-7psi (avg. 10% less) shouldnt you see close to 330hps
at crank?

A little btw, didn't the Australian car with only 7.5psi give 52% increase in hps
and 65% increase in torque?

If you are running 6.5-7psi (avg. 10% less) shouldnt you see close to 330hps
at crank?
Boost pressure does not determine power potential. Amount of airflow does. A smaller turbo at 7 psi is pumping alot less air than a larger turbo at 7 psi. The Greddy turbo is pretty small. I would imagine the Australian turbo would have to be considerably bigger in order to get that much from such a low boost number.

Boost pressure does not determine power potential. Amount of airflow does. A smaller turbo at 7 psi is pumping alot less air than a larger turbo at 7 psi. The Greddy turbo is pretty small. I would imagine the Australian turbo would have to be considerably bigger in order to get that much from such a low boost number.
Flow, volume, temperature and pressure. All parts of the same equation.
However, if volume, temperature and pressure are the same for two systems, the flow will be the same.

Since all of the current systems seem to be using the OEM intake manifold, if the pressure and (more importantly) temperature are the same, the flow will be the same.

The flow of the turbo is only part of all of that. A horrible turbo can be made to look like a better one with huge tubes and an enormous intercooler for small boost duty cycles.

I L O V E T H I S T H R E A D ! ! ! ! Congrats on the install and the music coming from the engine is S W E E E E E E E E E E T...:-) I can´t wait to get my hands on this kit! My fingers are itching...

Surely you wouldn't put the BOV after the MAF? On the FD system its not...well, there was no MAF of course. Still, I would have assumed the BOV would go before the MAF, but I'm no expert. For that matter, where does the MAF go in a system like this?

jds

yes but the PCM doesn't know that that air is being vented, so it contiues to eject air.

~130 lbs(weight not pressure) of air through the maf will cause 10 lbs of fuel to be injected (quantities exaggerated). take some of that air out through the BOV and the computer still injects 10lbs of fuel, it doesn't know the air is gone. if 10 lbs of air come out the AFR goes from 13:1 to 12:1, which is way rich. in a recirc system the air stays in the system, just gets dumped to the low pressure side. burnt fuel is way less harmful to the air than fuel vapor.

Oooh man, I'd get the kit in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the lack of rotary expertise in Hawaii.

One, losing the warranty scares the bejebus outta me with the lack of rotary mechs.
Two, dealers here would shun me in heartbeat even if I came in to say fix my A/C..
(ooh you got a turbo, sorry, we cant touch your car!)
Three, I'm not sure of anyone in Hawaii that is capable of a flawless install and followup service.

I might be wrong.. any Hawaii guys care to chime in? Maybe we have a "Jim" here too!

Flow, volume, temperature and pressure. All parts of the same equation.
However, if volume, temperature and pressure are the same for two systems, the flow will be the same.

Since all of the current systems seem to be using the OEM intake manifold, if the pressure and (more importantly) temperature are the same, the flow will be the same.

The flow of the turbo is only part of all of that. A horrible turbo can be made to look like a better one with huge tubes and an enormous intercooler for small boost duty cycles.

So what you are saying is that we should see close to 330hps as crank unless
the Aussie car had a different manifold?

Surely you wouldn't put the BOV after the MAF? On the FD system its not...well, there was no MAF of course. Still, I would have assumed the BOV would go before the MAF, but I'm no expert. For that matter, where does the MAF go in a system like this?

jds
the maf on this sytem, like many others, is directly behind the air filter. i understand your logic, and i dont even understand why you can't just put it just before the TB but im sure there's some logical reason.

it isnt really a big deal, the emanage has a function to compensate for it and keep the mixture within range. or just use a BPV, they're more effecient anyway.

Flow, volume, temperature and pressure. All parts of the same equation.
However, if volume, temperature and pressure are the same for two systems, the flow will be the same.

Since all of the current systems seem to be using the OEM intake manifold, if the pressure and (more importantly) temperature are the same, the flow will be the same.

The flow of the turbo is only part of all of that. A horrible turbo can be made to look like a better one with huge tubes and an enormous intercooler for small boost duty cycles.

The key word in all of that is VOLUME. The volume or amount of air in cfm that a turbo flows is what determines power output. Pressure is irrelevant without airflow. You can compress a sealed compartment with zero airflow through it. It doesn't do the same amount of work. A larger turbo will flow a greater amount of air at the same pressure than a smaller one will. You can take a stock Turbo II RX-7, crank up the boost to 10 psi and get about 250 hp. You can change the turbo to a larger one and run 10 psi and now get nearly 350 hp with no other changes. Pressure is irrelevant. Volume isn't. If you had 2 turbos that had the same efficiency and flow capability at the same pressure, you have 2 of the same turbo.

Intercoolers can also be too small or too big. Many people have changed to enormous intercoolers on small stock turbos and lost power. This is much more prevalent at lower boost pressures.

The key word in all of that is VOLUME. The volume or amount of air in cfm that a turbo flows is what determines power output. Pressure is irrelevant without airflow. You can compress a sealed compartment with zero airflow through it. It doesn't do the same amount of work. A larger turbo will flow a greater amount of air at the same pressure than a smaller one will. You can take a stock Turbo II RX-7, crank up the boost to 10 psi and get about 250 hp. You can change the turbo to a larger one and run 10 psi and now get nearly 350 hp with no other changes. Pressure is irrelevant. Volume isn't. If you had 2 turbos that had the same efficiency and flow capability at the same pressure, you have 2 of the same turbo.

Intercoolers can also be too small or too big. Many people have changed to enormous intercoolers on small stock turbos and lost power. This is much more prevalent at lower boost pressures.

So the tubing for a bigger turbo is substantially larger? (From the compressor through the intercooler and so forth)

The key word in all of that is VOLUME. The volume or amount of air in cfm that a turbo flows is what determines power output. Pressure is irrelevant without airflow. You can compress a sealed compartment with zero airflow through it. It doesn't do the same amount of work. A larger turbo will flow a greater amount of air at the same pressure than a smaller one will. You can take a stock Turbo II RX-7, crank up the boost to 10 psi and get about 250 hp. You can change the turbo to a larger one and run 10 psi and now get nearly 350 hp with no other changes. Pressure is irrelevant. Volume isn't. If you had 2 turbos that had the same efficiency and flow capability at the same pressure, you have 2 of the same turbo.

Intercoolers can also be too small or too big. Many people have changed to enormous intercoolers on small stock turbos and lost power. This is much more prevalent at lower boost pressures.
Yes. But volume is pressure and temperature. Just like pressure is volume and temperature.
Since the manifold size is fixed, the volume is based on pressure and temperature. The flow rate will follow.

the maf on this sytem, like many others, is directly behind the air filter. i understand your logic, and i dont even understand why you can't just put it just before the TB but im sure there's some logical reason.
The OEM MAF will do some funky things when the airflow is disturbed by the turbo and pipng.
Also, it isn't very happy to see the elevated intake temperatures.

There is a clamping value on the E-Manage to take care of the volume of air expelled by the BOV. It works like a charm.

No, the compressor is larger, not the tubing. A larger compressor doesn't have to work as hard to produce pressure equal to a smaller counterpart. A larger compressor would generate a cooler charge at a given boost pressure, this would cause the air to be more dense. Cool air = Dense air, dense air is good. In turn, you get more O2 molecules in the combustion chamber at an equal pressure.

In simple terms, there is more oxygen in a 5psi, 1L sample sample of "air" at 20F than a sample of equal volume and pressure at 30F. Things expand when heated, unless of course we are talking about water. Thats a whole-nother story though, I'll save you my lecture on "Hydrogen Bonding".

My point was that it doesn't matter what makes the pressure, if its a small
turbo or a large turbo, if the size of the intake to the engine is the same.
If it's 7 psi at the intake it doesn't matter if it's a microscopic or gigantic turbo
creating the pressure.

Of course, what the hell do I know about this :)

No, the compressor is larger, not the tubing. A larger compressor doesn't have to work as hard to produce pressure equal to a smaller counterpart. A larger compressor would generate a cooler charge at a given boost pressure, this would cause the air to be more dense. Cool air = Dense air, dense air is good. In turn, you get more O2 molecules in the combustion chamber at an equal pressure.

In simple terms, there is more oxygen in a 5psi, 1L sample sample of "air" at 20F than a sample of equal volume and pressure at 30F. Things expand when heated, unless of course we are talking about water. Thats a whole-nother story though, I'll save you my lecture on "Hydrogen Bonding".

That makes sense, but isn't the it the intercoolers job to get the temp. down again?

Wonder if you could make an intercooler which used liquid nitrogen.. hmm..

Follow me here. If 7 psi enters the intercooler and you cool it with liquid nitro,
how much less boost would you have on the other size of the intercooler?
(assuming you were able to cool the air down to lets say 80k).

And what in the world would happen if you had like only 2psi but 10 times as
much O2?..

-- edit --
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Catalog/2005/ntercooler.pdf

It's allready on the market. I'll be quiet and try not to pretend like I know these
things :)

so how many people on her actually have turbos in there car now? MAzdamaniac, from your sig before, isnt your car turbo'd? and I love that pom on the turbo:-)

Jon -

Thanks a bunch for sharing the install! It looks awesome. I can't wait to hear the report from driving in the dry :).

One quick thing. The "E-manage" sticker on the unit itself is held to the unit with 2 blue adhesive "dots". Remove it, then peel the protective clear plastic from the E-manage logo plate, remove the adhesive backing that's on the back, and stick it on the E-manage. I wish Greddy would have documented this - they did this so you can rotate the logo if you end up mounting it upside down.

Or, leave it like that - it's up to you :).

Dale

any updates on driving videos? :) :)

Jon -

Thanks a bunch for sharing the install! It looks awesome. I can't wait to hear the report from driving in the dry :).

One quick thing. The "E-manage" sticker on the unit itself is held to the unit with 2 blue adhesive "dots". Remove it, then peel the protective clear plastic from the E-manage logo plate, remove the adhesive backing that's on the back, and stick it on the E-manage. I wish Greddy would have documented this - they did this so you can rotate the logo if you end up mounting it upside down.

Or, leave it like that - it's up to you :).

Dale

Lol.. I had no clue.. mine is still being held on by the two blue dots I guess.. I'll do that later on.. I have to get my ass in gear and some more videos made up. Promise I'll have something for you guys tonight.

I've been trying to make videos of my setup, but it is still too wet and it is hard to get a sensation of speed in a 320 pixel window.
Plus, it isn't easy to hear the BOV over all of the other noises.

Maybe people just wanna come over and have ride-alongs?

I've been trying to make videos of my setup, but it is still too wet and it is hard to get a sensation of speed in a 320 pixel window.
Plus, it isn't easy to hear the BOV over all of the other noises.

Maybe people just wanna come over and have ride-alongs?

The Greddy Type-S BOV I have is friggin LOUD. You can hear it over a block away.. no joke.

...That high pitch sound makes me think of some type of high speed, precision saw/laser weapon/"I don't know what just happened to me" - sliced in half sound.... How beautiful.

This will be what WRX's, and 350Z owners will be thinking, if they can hear it as the 8 leaves them.

Sweet music to my ears!!

Great job.

-jcs-

Itll probably outperform those vehicles but not as well asyou put it. If your Rx8 puts out 180whp prior to installing and you manage to make 60whp w/this kit then that puts you somewhere around 240whp. Just soyou know -a stock 350z makes 244whp (luckily it weighs almost 200 pounds more though). I suppose that for the low cost this kit is worth it but for the Rx8 tobe a real contender (in straight line performance) its goingto be need more boost in my opinion. 8 PSI of boost for an Rx8 sounds much better to me.

so how many people on her actually have turbos in there car now? MAzdamaniac, from your sig before, isnt your car turbo'd? and I love that pom on the turbo:-)
My pom is TurboPom! (His name is really Chewie, but I call him Turbo when the wife isn't around.:p)

I have turbocharged (or supercharged) every car I have owned since 1987 in addition the cars of friends.

Surely you wouldn't put the BOV after the MAF? On the FD system its not...well, there was no MAF of course. Still, I would have assumed the BOV would go before the MAF, but I'm no expert. For that matter, where does the MAF go in a system like this?

jds

the BOV must go on the pressure side otherwise it cannot release the back pressure after you let off the throttle.



Also, I started to have some rough idle so I decided to do a little mod to the air filter before the MAF. I disassembled my stock air box and removed the wire mesh screens. I believe these screens are used to "clean" the turbulant air before it goes by the MAF sensor so it can get a good reading. I put these screens right after my air filter and before my MAF sensor.. and boom.. no more idle issues.. I'll edit this post in a little bit to show the pictures.. didn't have my camera with me today when I did it.. going to do it now ;)

Itll probably outperform those vehicles but not as well asyou put it. If your Rx8 puts out 180whp prior to installing and you manage to make 60whp w/this kit then that puts you somewhere around 240whp. Just soyou know -a stock 350z makes 244whp (luckily it weighs almost 200 pounds more though). I suppose that for the low cost this kit is worth it but for the Rx8 tobe a real contender (in straight line performance) its goingto be need more boost in my opinion. 8 PSI of boost for an Rx8 sounds much better to me.


we'll see what the whp is after I get it dyno'd.. Also, I just found out that Atco Raceway is still open on Sundays for the general public to do some 1/4's.. So I am going to go this coming sunday and get a few runs in. I'll take pictures of the timeslips and post them here. I'm expecting mid to low 13's.

Dude, video tape the 1/4 mile runs!!!!!!!! I'm definitley getting one of these!!!! I've got like 2g's put aside. This is the next major mod I'm doing. Damn that's friggen cool!

the BOV must go on the pressure side otherwise it cannot release the back pressure after you let off the throttle.
he was referring to placing the MAF in it's stock location, just before the throttle body. but now we see why that's a bad idea

we'll see what the whp is after I get it dyno'd.. Also, I just found out that Atco Raceway is still open on Sundays for the general public to do some 1/4's.. So I am going to go this coming sunday and get a few runs in. I'll take pictures of the timeslips and post them here. I'm expecting mid to low 13's.
i think you'll have an easy Z contender definately be able to take stock STi's and evo's from a roll. peak horsepower numbers look alright, but the area under the curve is GREATLY improved.

we'll see what the whp is after I get it dyno'd.. Also, I just found out that Atco Raceway is still open on Sundays for the general public to do some 1/4's.. So I am going to go this coming sunday and get a few runs in. I'll take pictures of the timeslips and post them here. I'm expecting mid to low 13's.

I guestimate 13.2 seconds with a trapspeed of roughly 111mph.
If so, we are looking at about 330 hps crank. :D

I guestimate 13.2 seconds with a trapspeed of roughly 111mph.
If so, we are looking at about 330 hps crank. :D
I think that's a little high. I guess you're estimating 25% driveline loss? Isn't it more like 20%?

the bov does not come with the turbo right? also is it needed and does it add hp? It obviously makes a lot of noise.

the bov does not come with the turbo right? also is it needed and does it add hp? It obviously makes a lot of noise.
it's not required.. but lotsa people reccommend having them.

A bov is never "needed" but you should use one if you care about less stress on the turbo and longer life out of it. When you don't have a bov and you are on the throttle under boost, when you take your foot off the gas the throttleplate slams shut. The turbo still has compressed air waiting to get through, which it can't. This high pressrue air has nowhere to go but back towards the turbo. This is a sudden direction change in the air and slows the turbo way down very fast. This is extremely hard on it and you don't want this. Is it needed? Nope. Neither is reliability. It's a damn good idea though.

A bov is only loud if you vent it to open air. If you plumb the outlet back into the system after the air filter, you won't hear it. This is how I would prefer to do it. I just don't want people to know what I have. That's just me though.

Also, I started to have some rough idle so I decided to do a little mod to the air filter before the MAF. I disassembled my stock air box and removed the wire mesh screens. I believe these screens are used to "clean" the turbulant air before it goes by the MAF sensor so it can get a good reading. I put these screens right after my air filter and before my MAF sensor.. and boom.. no more idle issues.. I'll edit this post in a little bit to show the pictures.. didn't have my camera with me today when I did it.. going to do it now ;) Ahh, I meant to mention that to you.

I have a screen just before the MAF and another just before the throttle body.
The latter is my "crap stopper" - it is intended to catch anything that might cut loose from the FI setup. Hopefully, it will never have to do that, but if something were to cause the turbo to cough up a piece of the compressor wheel, I'd rather it not go into the motor.

we'll see what the whp is after I get it dyno'd.. Also, I just found out that Atco Raceway is still open on Sundays for the general public to do some 1/4's.. So I am going to go this coming sunday and get a few runs in. I'll take pictures of the timeslips and post them here. I'm expecting mid to low 13's. Hey! drop me a line if you go to Atco. I'll meet you there, do some runs and get some video.

someone send me a plane ticket from portland to jersey so i can go on a ride along! which airport should i fly into?:)

America West can get you into Philadelphia International. Ticket is about $480 and you should come on Saturday. You leave Portland 5:45am and arrive in Philly at 5:05pm.
Sleep in and on Sunday we hit the track.
Sunday, you fly out 5:55pm and arrive in Portland 12:31am. :D

^^ hey mazdamaniac do you have any pics of the screens you put in (tha tgo trid of teh idle problem and to stop debree?). would tha tadd ristriction in teh intake...or is it negligable (spelling?). congrats on being in the fi club;)

Okay guys.. I have a VERY VERY long 15 minute video of city driving and at the end a 0-60 run and a 0-100 run.. taking it off my camcorder now... will take a little bit for that.. I'll let you all know when I get the video hosted.

-Jon

^^ hey mazdamaniac do you have any pics of the screens you put in (tha tgo trid of teh idle problem and to stop debree?). would tha tadd ristriction in teh intake...or is it negligable (spelling?). congrats on being in the fi club;)

dude your worried about the spelling of negligible? that's the worst typing i have seen since one of my posts!!:D;)

I hate waiting, but I'm sure its worth it.

America West can get you into Philadelphia International. Ticket is about $480 and you should come on Saturday. You leave Portland 5:45am and arrive in Philly at 5:05pm.
Sleep in and on Sunday we hit the track.
Sunday, you fly out 5:55pm and arrive in Portland 12:31am. :D

$480?! Ouch! Off-seaon round trip tickets from Tokyo (NRT) to Orlando (MCO) is about $450-500. :eek: If anyone is willing to do that for Sevenstock, checking out jeff's car or whatever, then for God's sake take a trip to Japan sometime and catch Tokyo Auto Salon, Tokyo Motorshow or something at least once in your life...

Last time I flew to Japan in the off-season (Nagoya in February of '97), the tickets were over $1400.
Where can I get $500 flights?

That makes sense, but isn't the it the intercoolers job to get the temp. down again?

Wonder if you could make an intercooler which used liquid nitrogen.. hmm..

Follow me here. If 7 psi enters the intercooler and you cool it with liquid nitro,
how much less boost would you have on the other size of the intercooler?
(assuming you were able to cool the air down to lets say 80k).

And what in the world would happen if you had like only 2psi but 10 times as
much O2?..

-- edit --
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Catalog/2005/ntercooler.pdf

It's allready on the market. I'll be quiet and try not to pretend like I know these
things :)


Actually as I recall RP was discussing this kind of issue in his "axial flow" thread. There is such a thing as too cold. beyond a certain temp, the fuel won't be able to remain vaporized, so it will condense and fall out of suspension from the intake charge. An application for something like what you posted above would be for a the crazy high horsepower dragsters that run really high boost levels. More boost means more pressure, which means high temps.

$480?! Ouch! Off-seaon round trip tickets from Tokyo (NRT) to Orlando (MCO) is about $450-500. :eek: If anyone is willing to do that for Sevenstock, checking out jeff's car or whatever, then for God's sake take a trip to Japan sometime and catch Tokyo Auto Salon, Tokyo Motorshow or something at least once in your life...


i expected more actually since it is usually quite expensive to fly into philly. in 4 out of the 5 past years my wife and i have flown to Baltimore instead of Philly for the holidays. the cost to baltimore was at least 200- 300 dollars cheaper for only an hour longer drive to her parents house where we stayed. last year there was less than $100 difference not because philly prices went down but Balt. prices had gone up. when my grandmother died i had to get home quick for the funeral and it cost nearly $900 to philly and that was the "bereavement" price :eek:

Okay guys.. video is finally uploaded. It's 16 minutes long. The first 10 minute or so is just city driving out to the road where I know there aren't any cops so I can do some high speed runs. Please excuse the 'clicking', it's my lens cap to the camera.. forgot to tie it off.. it's rattling against the tripod. Also, I forgot to turn my damn Air Conditioning off.. Notice how the car pulls in 3rd and 4th gear like it's in 2nd. So much power reserve in the 'long' gears. My launches at the end weren't spectacular.. i'm trying to preserve my clutch as long as I can. but notice after I get going and hit the throttle I still break loose in the rear ;)

I'll take daytime video tomorrow during the day. I'll do 2500rpm runs up to red line from 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

Anyhow, enjoy the video.. I tried my best at describing what was going on. Here is the link. The file is 17.7mb

http://tyrannical.org/philodox2.wmv

Let me know your thoughts!

**EDIT** Sorry if it's a bit blurry.. I compressed the video to make it a smaller file size.. I just cleared with the video host that I can make the next few in full clarity so you can see everything really well. **EDIT**

i expected more actually since it is usually quite expensive to fly into philly. in 4 out of the 5 past years my wife and i have flown to Baltimore instead of Philly for the holidays. the cost to baltimore was at least 200- 300 dollars cheaper for only an hour longer drive to her parents house where we stayed. last year there was less than $100 difference not because philly prices went down but Balt. prices had gone up. when my grandmother died i had to get home quick for the funeral and it cost nearly $900 to philly and that was the "bereavement" price :eek:

$900?! :eek: ouch! Man, those prices are outrageous!

Its downloading as i type.....im excited thanks for the update...

i am sure I wont be disappointed ;)

I cant hear it much

i expected more actually since it is usually quite expensive to fly into philly. in 4 out of the 5 past years my wife and i have flown to Baltimore instead of Philly for the holidays. the cost to baltimore was at least 200- 300 dollars cheaper for only an hour longer drive to her parents house where we stayed. last year there was less than $100 difference not because philly prices went down but Balt. prices had gone up. when my grandmother died i had to get home quick for the funeral and it cost nearly $900 to philly and that was the "bereavement" price :eek:
Well, you can fly into Baltimore for $377 and I can pick you up on my way to New Jersey.

I cant hear it much

the turbo is a lot quieter in the car when you're driving.. but outside you can hear it pretty good ;)

It wasn't very scientific and accurate, but it looked like 12-13 seconds from 0-100mph....that's pretty fast.

It wasn't very scientific and accurate, but it looked like 12-13 seconds from 0-100mph....that's pretty fast.

and the car was slipping out from under me the whole time... damn winter tires

Very impressive, it looked like the digi speedo couldnt keep up.... i could be wrong. Either way nice video, you are the most popular guy on the forum :)

on the runs at the end, look how fast the turbo spools up.. it's almost instant.

^ yeah i did notice that, i also noticed how quickly you went threw the gears, all gears seem like second, it was incredible.

nice

It wasn't very scientific and accurate, but it looked like 12-13 seconds from 0-100mph....that's pretty fast.

well, it was 98mph.. but my speedo couldn't really keep up for most of the trip. when I accelerate hard, it counts up in 3's and 4's

Jeff (MazdaManiac).. I'm going to the drag strip at Atco, NJ this sunday if the weather holds out. Would enjoy the company.. we can see what our turbo 8's run in the 1/4 :)

Well i'll be joining you at ATCO, should probably let me do a pass, see how much i can improve on my 14.5 with a totally stock car, anyone know what the torque peak is with unit?

i live in jersey maybe we can have a whole meeting centered around your car .... after lunch of course.

well i've been reading for a couple hours now!!! but i am very satisfied with the outcome and congrats with the install!!! i'm gonna keep an eye and see how everything goes for ya over the next couple of months and then i plan on purchasing my turbo kit as well! i wanna do a few suspension upgrades and then i should be set!

bad ass and can't wait to see more!

I don´t want to be rude but judging by the way you "drive" I really don´t think you need neither the car or the turbo. =) I actually couldn´t "see" the extra hp or tourque, it looked just like my own 8 judging by the acceleration. I want to see some R E A L driving in your next vid! ...and remove the lenscover next time. =)
So,,, I think I better get a planeticket to the States and take your car home to where it REALLY belongs...Sweden! =) Then I car post a vid with some real driving that shows the potential of the turbokit. Ok? =)
By the way, is it a HP or a LP 8 you have?

Just kidding with you...Nice vid man!

He has the HP. So far Greddy only make the turbo for the M/T.

D@mN Greddy

I don´t want to be rude but judging by the way you "drive" I really don´t think you need neither the car or the turbo. =) I actually couldn´t "see" the extra hp or tourque, it looked just like my own 8 judging by the acceleration. I want to see some R E A L driving in your next vid! ...and remove the lenscover next time. =)
So,,, I think I better get a planeticket to the States and take your car home to where it REALLY belongs...Sweden! =) Then I car post a vid with some real driving that shows the potential of the turbokit. Ok? =)
By the way, is it a HP or a LP 8 you have?

Just kidding with you...Nice vid man!

lol.. I started reading this and was starting to get rather pissed off :p.. then I read that you were joking.. hehehe

I'll have the camera setup in the car this sunday when I hit the drag strip. I just hope the weather holds up.

^ and yet when i treid that tactic a few pages ago you didnt believe me for even a second:( :D

To me everything´s fun at the moment (4:30 in the morning here and I´m almost about to fall asleep at work) Hope you can excuse my bad sence of comic right now? But I really enjoyed the clip. Glad you understood the comic in my post.

Serious: Can I get your car? :D

^ and yet when i treid that tactic a few pages ago you didnt believe me for even a second:( :D

Well, you are a moderator.. I figured you wouldn't mean something like that ;)

To me everything´s fun at the moment (4:30 in the morning here and I´m almost about to fall asleep at work) Hope you can excuse my bad sence of comic right now? But I really enjoyed the clip. Glad you understood the comic in my post.

Serious: Can I get your car? :D

No worries Petrus.. I'm kind of stressed right now.. I'm studying for a written exam for my Helicopter Instructor rating this Saturday morning.. Think I need to take another drive and let the "zoom zoom pssst" relax me some more ;)

definately bad ass. Also, congrats on treading where most fear to go. Hopefully you can actually 'drive' that machine of yours at the track and post some real time slips for all to oggle at ;)

No worries Petrus.. I'm kind of stressed right now.. I'm studying for a written exam for my Helicopter Instructor rating this Saturday morning.. Think I need to take another drive and let the "zoom zoom pssst" relax me some more ;)
How is it that you aren't getting any of this ridiculous rain?

I keep trying to go out and get video for the past few days and I keep getting rained on. http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/smiles/cry.gif

So the speedometer cant keep up? Well - that sucks.

jeusus how do you shift that quick and smooth? Care to share your technique with a semi-noob driver?:)

How is it that you aren't getting any of this ridiculous rain?

I keep trying to go out and get video for the past few days and I keep getting rained on. http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/smiles/cry.gif

The rain stopped early this morning here where I live.. the SUN actually came out today and dried the roads up. That's the only reason was able to drive like that tonight..


jeusus how do you shift that quick and smooth? Care to share your technique with a semi-noob driver?:)

Well, I do have the Mazdaspeed Short Shifter in my RX-8. So that helps.. I've been driving manual for 10 years now.. I guess you get good at it after a while ;)

jeusus how do you shift that quick and smooth? Care to share your technique with a semi-noob driver?:)

Helo pilots live and die by the words "quick and smooth" ;)

Helo pilots live and die by the words "quick and smooth" ;)

Amen! Nothing like dropping the collective, tipping the nose over, and heading straight at the ground only to flare and recover at about 25ft above the ground.. talk about a rush :)

In my primary flight training, we did autos all the way to the ground for the first six months or so. Then, we switched to power recoveries with 2 to 4 feet as the envelope. Quite frankly, stopping it 2 feet off the ground is WAY harder than just flaring it all the way in. In the -53, we're not allowed to recover any lower than 40 feet. Not quite as exciting. But we get shot at a lot, so I guess we're not lacking in excitement. :D

do you think all the rx-8's can meet up somewhere in new jersey like trenton to get a look at your car on how it performs ? Id definatly be there!!!!

Speaking of -53s, I wish GReddy would come out with something for us. :D

In my primary flight training, we did autos all the way to the ground for the first six months or so. Then, we switched to power recoveries with 2 to 4 feet as the envelope. Quite frankly, stopping it 2 feet off the ground is WAY harder than just flaring it all the way in. In the -53, we're not allowed to recover any lower than 40 feet. Not quite as exciting. But we get shot at a lot, so I guess we're not lacking in excitement. :D

Man.. 2-4 feet is really pushing it.. how fast do you come in? I've done some quick decents before (80 knots) and starting my flare at 25.. but kept it at that height.. anyhow.. back to the topic at hand ;) Can't believe I was about to hijack my own thread.. haha

p.s. There's only so much you can do in a 300cbi.. someday I'll get to fly the good stuff.. for some reason a MD-500 (OH-6A for you military types) comes to mind ;)

Nothing wrong with hijacking your own thread. 500s look like they'd be fun; a little small for a guy my size (6'2", 250 or so). On the 2-4' recovery, we would ride down at around 90 KIAS til 50 feet, flare, ride the flare to about 15 feet, level, then add power to bring it to a stop at 2-4 feet. But, you're right. Back to the subject at hand.

p.s. I've flown off the wing of some AH-6s before. Nimble, but surprisingly slow.

That video was AWESOME!!!!

Thank you Jon!!

And I concur with the others that you shift/rev match extremely well.

The rain stopped early this morning here where I live.. the SUN actually came out today and dried the roads up. That's the only reason was able to drive like that tonight..




Well, I do have the Mazdaspeed Short Shifter in my RX-8. So that helps.. I've been driving manual for 10 years now.. I guess you get good at it after a while ;)
That short shifter even sounds different. It sounds like the short shifter on the 3rd gen rx7's, clicking in and out of the gates. I notice you hardly ever shift into 5th or 6th, and in fact spend most of your time driving around in 3rd in the video, hehe.. Just watching the tach told me that as car velocity is 10:1 in third (10mph for every 1k rpm so 40 at 4k) in third.

I can shift pretty close to that in the standard shifter when i'm driving hard. My 1-2 isnt nearly as good though. I actually have more trouble driving slow than I do fast because I tend to shift slower.. I slow everything down when I should always shift at the same speed.. Oh well.. that's me.

Nice vid. I loved it everytime you got mad wheelspin like that. Just wonderful.

hey just watched the video........nice! too much traffic though,

Favorite Quote:........is that a mustang?? :p

you gonna change the tires when you go to the track??you need traction :p

in fact spend most of your time driving around in 3rd in the video, hehe.. Just watching the tach told me that as car velocity is 10:1 in third (10mph for every 1k rpm so 40 at 4k) in third.

Then he bitches to me about getting 12mpg.