Something like my current ADDclub, and like the floodclub.

This is the

I've had a f***ed up transmission club.

and i am the 'I've had a f***ed up transmission club member #00000000001'

So who wants in?

:confused:

Not me, you can shove this club up your clacker!!!

Not me, you can shove this club up your clacker!!!


Tell us how you really feel..

Something like my current ADDclub, and like the floodclub.

This is the

I've had a f***ed up transmission club.

and i am the 'I've had a f***ed up transmission club member #00000000001'

So who wants in?


The club membership is surely in the hundreds by now... :(

snap-on, you in!?

Do I detect some anger???

Just remember, you find me a car that doesn't break, and I'll give you a Windows OS that doesn't crash.

You find me a dealer who deals with problems in a crappy way, and I won't give you anything because they are a dime-a-dozen.

Now settle down and tell us what's on your mind. :p

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

True.

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

Interesting perspective, can't say I don't agree with it somewhat.

Didn't you destry your OWN transmission while you were beating your wife!? :eek:

BTW, My transmission was rebuilt my mazda about 4 months after I bought it 15 months ago..

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

This is somewhat true, but it's also a numbers game. When there are more cars there are more problems but the percentages stay the same. Example: 100 cars - 1 problems/ 1000 cars - 10 problems and so on and so forth. I think because we have a higher number of cars, we have a higher amount of failures.

And just because you are a teenager doesn't mean you drive with reckless abandon. I remember being a teenager once. Besides abbid (sorry to put you on the spot), what other teenage 8 owners do you know have had tranny problems?

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.


I think you are on to something

Something like my current ADDclub, and like the floodclub.

This is the

I've had a f***ed up transmission club.

and i am the 'I've had a f***ed up transmission club member #00000000001'

So who wants in?
:eek: BACK! BACK ye scurvey dog! **Waves garlic**

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

A lot of truth to that. Maybe there are some trans that are bound to go bad just by the statistics, but there are also car owners that statistically have more troubles than others.

Often it is just a matter of common sense. Years ago working as a car mechanic, I would usually take rides with owners to see if I could figure out why they might have repeat problems. An example... someone comes in repeatedly with front end problems (alignment, ball joints, tie rod ends, steering box etc) Take a drive with the owner. First thing I notice is that he turns the wheel full lock to maneuver out of the parking space. Not just full lock, full lock plus about 50 pounds of extra effort. I ask why. Owner says that he wants to make sure that the wheel is cut all the way so he can get out of the space in one shot. Took some explaining and retraining, but he had much better longevity on front-end components after learning that he didn't have to torque the steering wheel.

Another example. The 17 year old neighbor bought my old car. I notice that he pulls into the driveway fast. There is a pavement ridge followed by the gutter and then the incline of the driveway. A pretty harsh bump to be hitting many times a day. I explain to him that he is going to be going 0 mph in another 20 feet so why not slow down before reaching the driveway. I also explained the additional wear and tear that it would cause. He chose to ignore the information. A few months after buying the car, his parents paid for a bunch of suspension work - ball joints, springs, struts etc. All stuff that had been given a clean bill of health when they bought the car.

A lot of people understand the mechanical nature of the products that they own and are easy on them. A lot of people do not understand or do not care to respect the machines and have trouble. Sometimes it's basic knowledge, sometimes it's common sense. Sometimes there are real problems with the vehicle.

It would be interesting to see Mazda's statistics collected from the service records. Only they have the data that would determine if the trans has frequent problems or the trans that have problems are tied to owners that have statistically higher numbers of problems.

abbid good luck with yours, but I do hope your club has a very small membership.

Yea--your club sucks--I don't want any parts of it :mad:

A lot of truth to that. Maybe there are some trans that are bound to go bad just by the statistics, but there are also car owners that statistically have more troubles than others.

Often it is just a matter of common sense. Years ago working as a car mechanic, I would usually take rides with owners to see if I could figure out why they might have repeat problems. An example... someone comes in repeatedly with front end problems (alignment, ball joints, tie rod ends, steering box etc) Take a drive with the owner. First thing I notice is that he turns the wheel full lock to maneuver out of the parking space. Not just full lock, full lock plus about 50 pounds of extra effort. I ask why. Owner says that he wants to make sure that the wheel is cut all the way so he can get out of the space in one shot. Took some explaining and retraining, but he had much better longevity on front-end components after learning that he didn't have to torque the steering wheel.

Another example. The 17 year old neighbor bought my old car. I notice that he pulls into the driveway fast. There is a pavement ridge followed by the gutter and then the incline of the driveway. A pretty harsh bump to be hitting many times a day. I explain to him that he is going to be going 0 mph in another 20 feet so why not slow down before reaching the driveway. I also explained the additional wear and tear that it would cause. He chose to ignore the information. A few months after buying the car, his parents paid for a bunch of suspension work - ball joints, springs, struts etc. All stuff that had been given a clean bill of health when they bought the car.

A lot of people understand the mechanical nature of the products that they own and are easy on them. A lot of people do not understand or do not care to respect the machines and have trouble. Sometimes it's basic knowledge, sometimes it's common sense. Sometimes there are real problems with the vehicle.

It would be interesting to see Mazda's statistics collected from the service records. Only they have the data that would determine if the trans has frequent problems or the trans that have problems are tied to owners that have statistically higher numbers of problems.

abbid good luck with yours, but I do hope your club has a very small membership.

One of my coworker who used to work in a repair shop (old timer) had a old lady customer that was complaining about her car (1970?) having rough idle and bad fuel mileage. After looking for any possible cause, he could fine nothing wrong. He decided to have her drive the car with him. The lady once getting in the car, put her seat belt then pull the "chocke" and hangs her purse on the chocke. Then start the car. With that, the engine starts to run rough since is too rich and already warmed. She says... "you see, this is what I am talking about" :rolleyes:

Something like my current ADDclub, and like the floodclub.

This is the

I've had a f***ed up transmission club.

and i am the 'I've had a f***ed up transmission club member #00000000001'

So who wants in?
I'm in. New tranny and rear gearset. 4700 mi.

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.
Price has not a thing to do with the fact that Mazda did not offer enough transmission to back up the engine in this car. Mine failed at 4700 miles. I had been complaining about it after driving 2300 miles on a road trip to Atlanta GA and back the second week I owned the car. It had NOTHING to do with how I drive the car.

You're statement makes no sense. Why do Lamborghini's notoriously catch on fire? Not because the price is too low and the drivers are abusing them, they are known for that. Diablo was the worst one. It's a problem that the company needs to fix. Just as the transmission needs to be addressed by Mazda. Some things just fail.

I drive my car harder than ever now and have had not one transmission problem. As far as the price goes, this was mine and my wife's 1st brand new car that WE paid for. I bust my ass to be able to afford this car. The fact that 16 yr olds drive them has nothing to do with people's driving habits. I have a 19 year old friend that has an NSX, a 360 Modena, a Diablo, a Lightning and a Supercharged Z-06 Vette.

Some people just have the money to buy their kids higher end cars.

Showoff, add it to your sig, you are I've had a f****d up transmission club member #00000000002

I'm in. New tranny and rear gearset. 4700 mi.

Tranny AND rear gearset.

That's like winning the lottery. What's the explanation for for these totally separate components both being bad?

Why do Lamborghini's notoriously catch on fire? Not because the price is too low and the drivers are abusing them, they are known for that. Diablo was the worst one. It's a problem that the company needs to fix.
Lamboghinis catch fire because they were not designed to idle in traffic. The airflow is insufficient at low speeds because the car was designed to go 200 MPH most of its life.
Dumb rich folk drive them to the supermarket.

Incorrect application of the device.

RX-8s are not good drag cars.

You can provide your own syllogism.:rolleyes:

Price has not a thing to do with the fact that Mazda did not offer enough transmission to back up the engine in this car. Mine failed at 4700 miles. I had been complaining about it after driving 2300 miles on a road trip to Atlanta GA and back the second week I owned the car. It had NOTHING to do with how I drive the car.

You're statement makes no sense. Why do Lamborghini's notoriously catch on fire? Not because the price is too low and the drivers are abusing them, they are known for that. Diablo was the worst one. It's a problem that the company needs to fix. Just as the transmission needs to be addressed by Mazda. Some things just fail.

I drive my car harder than ever now and have had not one transmission problem. As far as the price goes, this was mine and my wife's 1st brand new car that WE paid for. I bust my ass to be able to afford this car. The fact that 16 yr olds drive them has nothing to do with people's driving habits. I have a 19 year old friend that has an NSX, a 360 Modena, a Diablo, a Lightning and a Supercharged Z-06 Vette.

Some people just have the money to buy their kids higher end cars.

Sorry, but with a nickname like "SHOWOFF" your case doesn't really hold any water. :cool:

Beachdog, tranny AND rear gearset? The 8 has a bulletproof rear axle, what did you do to break it? :eek:

On the "Young people drive worse" issue, some drive a damn site better than me, but experience is something that comes with time. Many younger drivers have less experience, so may not adapt their driving style to suit the car as well as more experienced drivers (not necessarily older drivers).

To be perfectly honest though, I have not driven with anyone under 25 for a long time, because the last time I was so nervous we would have an accident! He was not a bad driver, really, I just didn't feel safe because I knew he didn't have a pool of back-up knowledge to adapt to any situation.

(I have been driving for 22 years with no car accidents, but lots on motorbikes!)

This is somewhat true, but it's also a numbers game. When there are more cars there are more problems but the percentages stay the same. Example: 100 cars - 1 problems/ 1000 cars - 10 problems and so on and so forth. I think because we have a higher number of cars, we have a higher amount of failures.

And just because you are a teenager doesn't mean you drive with reckless abandon. I remember being a teenager once. Besides abbid (sorry to put you on the spot), what other teenage 8 owners do you know have had tranny problems?

Is abbid a teenager...?

I did point out in my post that I took the larger RX-8 population in the States into consideration........the fact remains, heaps of transmissions/clutches have failed in the States. We've never had a reported gearbox failure here (touchwood!). The average age of an RX-8 driver in Australia would be 35 or more, I reckon.

And on your second point about teenagers not necessarily driving recklessly.....show me a teenage RX-8 driver who hasn't dumped the clutch at 8000rpm, and I'll show you a teenager who never lets the tacho fall below 8500!!!

Gomez.

Can I be #00000000003 and #00000000004 seeing as how they still haven't fixed mine and it's went out 2 times? Im in.

Yes, thats you. slims i was waiting for you to get in on this thread!

Sorry, been on vacation. Trying to finish writing a program I was giving out for Christmas and just found about 20 minutes on my lunch break!

You find me a dealer who deals with problems in a crappy way, and I won't give you anything because they are a dime-a-dozen.

We just need to find the guy who's supplying the dimes :mad:

This is one club i'm not interested in joining.

This is one club i'm not interested in joining.
I hear you on that... Trust me, it wasn't exactly in my plans when I purchased the car either.

18578 miles on my car and I Rev beep once in a while. No tranny problems, but I might take it easy on her after reading this thread and the Blue clutch/Voided warranty thread.

Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.

While it's comforting to hope you're correct, I find it unlikely that every case is due to abuse. I seem to recall that at least some of the posters have owned previous cars and are driving the 8 no harder, or perhaps even less vigorously than others they've owned which had no transmission problems. In cases where an unusual number of people are complaining of a specific ailment, there is likely some genuine issue. Take the flooding issue, for example, which was often attributed to poor habits but ended up in large measure being a correctable design (or shall we say a configuration) problem. There have already been documented cases of problems due to incorrect torque of pressure plate bolts, and shift fork issues. The transmission is not without problems, and I suppose we haven't seen the end of them.

Beachdog, tranny AND rear gearset? The 8 has a bulletproof rear axle, what did you do to break it? :eek:


Reread my post. It is Showoff that blew both the tranny and rear end.

That's why I questioned Showoff's post. When it comes to drivetrains, usually, you get to break them one piece at a time. Even at the track, blowing a trans and rear simultaneously would be quite a feat. that's why the reference to the lottery.

While it's comforting to hope you're correct, I find it unlikely that every case is due to abuse.......... The transmission is not without problems, and I suppose we haven't seen the end of them.

Agreed, I did point out the problems would all "but" disappear if the car was twice as expensive. Rejoice in the knowledge that you live in a country that has the worlds most competitive retail market, and reap the benefits from the riches that it brings. Riches such as dirt cheap RX-8's.

Gomez.

And on your second point about teenagers not necessarily driving recklessly.....show me a teenage RX-8 driver who hasn't dumped the clutch at 8000rpm, and I'll show you a teenager who never lets the tacho fall below 8500!!!

Gomez.

^^^^^Case in point below....... :)

I've launched from 7.5-8k Solid with no hop, but it took a good hopping on the run before that one (also hopped up to redline had to shift into 2nd b4 it would stop). Just feather your clutch before you drop it totally, enough to get the tires spinning then you can just drop.

Originally Posted by Gomez
Let me forward an opinion on this. You guys up north have the same transmissions as we have down under. Your High Power engine produces the same hp (give or take) as our six port engine. Sure, a lot more RX-8's are on the road up there, but why have so many failed in the States, and not a single report (that I can recall) of a transmission failure amongst the thousands of RX-8's in Australia?

I'll tell you why. The RX-8 is too cheap in America. Sixteen year olds are driving them. The car costs 55 grand plus over here. Only the well heeled can afford them in Australia. If you doubled the price of the RX-8 in the U.S, the transmission/clutch problem would all but disappear.

Too much enthusiasm, and not enough mechanical sympathy......I remember being sixteen.

Gomez.



-- I agree with him for the most part. RX-8's being cheaper here in the states allows for people who do not respect the car for what it is and/or don't know how to use the car properly to drive it and abuse it. These people deserve what problems they come across. (This completely excludes the people who experience mechanical problems. No machine can be perfect and it is not their fault if it messes up.)

-- I don't agree with him as far as the teenager comment. I am a teenager and have been privilaged with driving a really fine car. I love the car and have worked hard in order to obtain it. Before I got the RX-8, I drove a piece (my paintball gun was worth more than the car was). Now that I got a nice car, I want to keep it and enjoy it for as long as I can. I do not take driving a fast, fine car forgranted and, therefore, take good care of it.

-- I don't agree with him as far as the teenager comment. I am a teenager and have been privilaged with driving a really fine car. I love the car and have worked hard in order to obtain it. Before I got the RX-8, I drove a piece (my paintball gun was worth more than the car was). Now that I got a nice car, I want to keep it and enjoy it for as long as I can. I do not take driving a fast, fine car forgranted and, therefore, take good care of it.

Glad to hear it. You'll enjoy the car a lot more if it spends more time in your driveway than on your dealers lift.

Reread my post. It is Showoff that blew both the tranny and rear end.

That's why I questioned Showoff's post. When it comes to drivetrains, usually, you get to break them one piece at a time. Even at the track, blowing a trans and rear simultaneously would be quite a feat. that's why the reference to the lottery.

Sorry bd, my flurb. :rolleyes:

I know the answer to this problem though.
MC needs to sell 20X more cars! Then the piffly few with faults will seem like drops in the ocean.

So, BUY MORE CARS EVERYONE!!!!!!!

(Oops, can't buy them because MC isn't building them, because of the fire. Oh well...)

While it's comforting to hope you're correct, I find it unlikely that every case is due to abuse. I seem to recall that at least some of the posters have owned previous cars and are driving the 8 no harder, or perhaps even less vigorously than others they've owned which had no transmission problems. In cases where an unusual number of people are complaining of a specific ailment, there is likely some genuine issue. Take the flooding issue, for example, which was often attributed to poor habits but ended up in large measure being a correctable design (or shall we say a configuration) problem. There have already been documented cases of problems due to incorrect torque of pressure plate bolts, and shift fork issues. The transmission is not without problems, and I suppose we haven't seen the end of them.
I agree. I could just as well say the flooding issue is from people that don't know how to drive or are doing something stupid becuase I haven't had any issues with this. Some do, some don't.

Sorry, but with a nickname like "SHOWOFF" your case doesn't really hold any water. :cool:

Beachdog, tranny AND rear gearset? The 8 has a bulletproof rear axle, what did you do to break it? :eek:

On the "Young people drive worse" issue, some drive a damn site better than me, but experience is something that comes with time. Many younger drivers have less experience, so may not adapt their driving style to suit the car as well as more experienced drivers (not necessarily older drivers).

To be perfectly honest though, I have not driven with anyone under 25 for a long time, because the last time I was so nervous we would have an accident! He was not a bad driver, really, I just didn't feel safe because I knew he didn't have a pool of back-up knowledge to adapt to any situation.

(I have been driving for 22 years with no car accidents, but lots on motorbikes!)

I have the name "SHOWOFF" because that is on the license plate of my other "show car". I didn't break the rear gearset, it was whining like hell at 46 mph under decel THE FUC*ING DAY I BOUGHT THE CAR!