Someone started a thread about the STS turbo and I decided to email them. I asked them in the email if they were planning to make a STS Turbo for the RX8 and they replied via email. Check it out...

:D
I hope it comes true...

Oh yeah, I suggest other members email them too showing interest and post their reply here. Let's go out and make sure we let them know we are interested.

Note: Mention, like I did, that keeping the price under $4,000 would make us STS customers.

Sent my reply in, stressing the need for a 'modest' boost to augment the torque, and mentioning the HUGE space left when you remove the stock muffler......

If you look at the way that thing is put together, the '8 seems to be the IDEAL car to showcase it!

It's the stupidest idea ever, but I really hope it works:D

S

Why is the idea stupid? If it works...and is better than a standard Turbo, then I think it's a great idea?

by the time the exhaust gets to the rear of the car it's lost all its heat and velocity.

then on top of that, it still has to pump the intake through 15 feet of pipe... definately not my first choice (or even a consideration).

That's what I thought too, but it seems that they are getting high HP gains from that setup, so they say. I thought if it can get 100HP out of the RX8 and cost under $4000...it would be a good deal.

i wouldn't trust them any further than i could throw them.

by the time the exhaust gets to the rear of the car it's lost all its heat and velocity.

then on top of that, it still has to pump the intake through 15 feet of pipe... definately not my first choice (or even a consideration).

Don't make me write a 15 page response rebutting that. It works very well.

Ride in a car that has one.

Intercoolers have long lengths of piping too.

This one has an 8-12 foot intercooler with no bends, so technically it could be faster. (The pipe is the intercooler)

They use a velocity increaser that squeezes the air as it enters the turbo, it looks like this >< roughly, they say in order to get 5 PSI on the boost side you have to have 10 psi on the exhaust side, and the system is able to achieve that at 2-3000 rpm on the current cars. The Small Honda I think hits around 3800 rpms.

The Rotary engine would be even better for this because of its high revs, and decent flow rates, we should see Turbo spool at around 3-3300 rpm, just by guessing.

They responded to my email saying that they have a custom universal kit that is more expensive, but they should be able to fit it on my car.

Tell me, I think I know the answer, you can't just add a Turbo/SC right. It needs to be managed somehow...right?

So, does their kit come with a ECU?

I recevied an email from them again today, just said thanks type of stuff, but a RX8 with 350HP is my goal...one day, and the STS looks like a good and relatively...fair priced turbo.

We will see....send them more emails guys...so they get the picture!

rx8wannahave----You don't even have a car. You're going to make yourself sick unless you get one soon. Your obsessing just the way i did for over 2 years, Just not good for your mental health---- By the way i'll tell you this just once---There is now $4500 lease cash back thru 1/3/05. No penalty on early payoff--take the money and run--- refinance the residual and you've got one. BUY THE CAR

In case some of you didn't know this

Squires Turbo Systems is excited to announce that an extended demonstration feature on the STS(tm) Camaro Turbo System will air on the Speed Channel, Saturday January 8th, (1/08/05) at 7:30pm EST


They will have a two hour show, they will Dyno the Car before putting the turbo on, then "Bolt ON" the turbo, and Dyno the LS1 Camaro again.

It will be interesting to see the installation, and results of the Dyno. Especially for those that are not exactly believers in this product.

Do you know which program?

rx8wannahave----You don't even have a car. You're going to make yourself sick unless you get one soon. Your obsessing just the way i did for over 2 years, Just not good for your mental health---- By the way i'll tell you this just once---There is now $4500 lease cash back thru 1/3/05. No penalty on early payoff--take the money and run--- refinance the residual and you've got one. BUY THE CAR


Why would you want to turbo charge a lease? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

Do you know which program?


Two Guys and a Garage.

Its on their homepage, you can read more about what they have done. The show is already filmed, but they won't show it until the 8th.

I was very skeptical of this at first but after reading through it and reviewing the physics of the idea it would seem to be an idea worth exploring for our car. First, If you looking for a safe, reliable bump in power and aren’t aiming for a dyno queen 8, this is offering about the same level of performance as the Greddy kit with a much easier install and a similar price. Second, it might be the only turbo kit you could actually remove before dealer trips if you wanted to install it while the car was under warranty. Sure you could do the same for a supercharger, but that I would think would still be more work.

So there is a “universal kit” for this? I’m going to have to contact these guys and see whats involved. We have the room down under the car, I guess you’d use a CZ or emanage to run the thing. A interesting idea, not right for everyone, but could be an alternative for some.

befor there was nothing really...now there are sooo many forced induction kits...and sooo few dollars to get them:( LOL

I was very skeptical of this at first but after reading through it and reviewing the physics of the idea it would seem to be an idea worth exploring for our car. First, If you looking for a safe, reliable bump in power and aren’t aiming for a dyno queen 8, this is offering about the same level of performance as the Greddy kit with a much easier install and a similar price. Second, it might be the only turbo kit you could actually remove before dealer trips if you wanted to install it while the car was under warranty. Sure you could do the same for a supercharger, but that I would think would still be more work.

So there is a “universal kit” for this? I’m going to have to contact these guys and see whats involved. We have the room down under the car, I guess you’d use a CZ or emanage to run the thing. A interesting idea, not right for everyone, but could be an alternative for some.

I think the thing to watch out for is their Integra kit. The Type R is another high reving engine. On their proto kit, they claim a 13.1 1/4 mile and not running it that hard. It is their first "low torque" high RPM design. It should be a good litmus test.

-Mr. Wigggles

I think the thing to watch out for is their Integra kit. The Type R is another high reving engine. On their proto kit, they claim a 13.1 1/4 mile and not running it that hard. It is their first "low torque" high RPM design. It should be a good litmus test.

-Mr. Wigggles


excellent point

They sent me an email indicating that they have a Custom kit available, that would cost a little more, but that their tuners would be able to make it work with the RX8.

You might explore that option, maybe if you called and asked to be a beta tester for it.

Two Guys and a Garage.

Its on their homepage, you can read more about what they have done. The show is already filmed, but they won't show it until the 8th.


Anyone catch this show last night, I had to work and missed it.

I didn't see the RX8 in the queue on their webpage www.ststurbo.com. However, the good news is that most of their kits are around $4k msrp:

Available Turbo Systems

All patented STS(tm) turbo systems start at 5 psi of boost, but can be upgraded with tuning and turbo upgrades to run up to 20 psi of boost.

LS1 Camaro/Trans-Am - $3995 MSRP
LT1 Camaro/Trans-Am - $3795 MSRP
Chevrolet/GMC/Cadillac Trucks - $3995 MSRP
Chevrolet/GMC/Cadillac SUVs - $3995 MSRP
Toyota Tundra - $3995 MSRP
Toyota Tacoma - $3595 MSRP
New products...

Pontiac GTO - $4495 MSRP
Dodge RAM 1500 Hemi - $4995 MSRP (Includes proprietary engine and drivetrain management)
Upcoming products...

Acura Integra / Honda Civic
C5 Corvette


STS(tm) Turbocharger Systems are designed so that they can be installed with average mechanical ability and without the need for specialty tools. Most systems can be installed in 4-6 hours by first time installers.

Our installation manual contains full color photos with step-by-step instructions which are clear and easy to follow. No cutting or modifying of the vehicle is necessary to install our system. All components mount to existing factory mounts and hardware. The system can also be removed in about an hour and virtually leaves no trace that it was ever installed.

STS Turbo Systems utilize top quality Garrett turbochargers and TiAL wastegates to give you years of trouble free driving and consistent performance. All tubing is coated with industry leading HPC coating. Turbocharger systems carry a full 12 month warranty against defects in materials and/or workmanship. With names like STS, Garrett, and TiAL behind you, you can rest assured that you are getting a quality product that you can depend on and performance that you can enjoy every time you drive!

*All systems are for off-road use only in California (CARB exemption is pending). The STS(tm) Turbo System is installed after the catalytic converter, so for most states your vehicle will pass emissions. Check with your state emissions for specific regulations.

Hmmmm,

Maybe STS can come over here and answer some of our brutal questions... :).

For those who missed the Saturday (and Sunday repeat) show, the next airing is Thursday, Jan 13th, 8 a.m. I guess that's Eastern time zone.

S

Just saw the show and man the install is very clean and I'll bet I can make very stealthy on the RX8. It's definitely my number 1 option for FI. They did the Camaro kit on Two Man and A Garage. They dynoed it at around 100 hp with 120 ft-lb increase at 5psi of boost without dyno tuning the ECU. The graph also showed virtually no lag because the hp increased basically started at ~2200 rpm.

That's pretty nice. I saw a dyno graph of an ls1 with this kit somewhere a couple of months ago, and with no ecu tuning it put up similar numbers. The air/fuel ratio on it was in the mid 10s low 11s. They also said that the intake temp was 110F (ambient was in the 60s i think), pretty good for no intercooler.

Hey guys just wanted to chime in with some numbers. I lurk over on the GTO forums as well and I saw that a GTO with an STS turbo ran an 11.7 @ 119 MPH. Quite an improvement of the 13.6-7 of the stock car. I believe this car is running a bit more boost than the kit's 5 pounds... I think it's up to 7 or 8 pounds.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13052
This is a link to the site where he talks about the 11.7 run.

This is a video of him running an 11.88 I believe, which was not his best run of the day.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13072

I would say this is a promising kit for the 8.... call these guys and let them know you want em'!! I wanna see what this thing can do on an 8.

I would say this is a promising kit for the 8.... call these guys and let them know you want em'!! I wanna see what this thing can do on an 8.

Emailed them twice. :) Even if they don't have a RX-8 custom kit, I'll take a universal and use my CZ/eManage to tune the fuel map and ignition.

Emailed them twice. :) Even if they don't have a RX-8 custom kit, I'll take a universal and use my CZ/eManage to tune the fuel map and ignition.

Sounds like a plan to me!!!

The thing that worries me with this turbo kit is the location of the air filter. While it might be OK for running at a track, I think it will pose major problems when it downpours on the highway.....

Unless it gets submerged (up to your door) then I dont think it would really be an issue. Sure, some water would splash up around there, but the filter should be built to endure some of that. Dont forget, when it rains, the humidity level is 100%. Your filter seems to be quite ok with bringing a little bit of water vapor into it. Worse comes to worse, fab a piece of sheet metal to brush away water from the intake.

What type of turbo is on the Greddy kit? It's cheaper than any of the STS kits, and it comes with a conventional intercooler and exhaust headers which the STS doesn't require. I'm just curious on the price difference....$3200 vs. $3500+, right?

Greddy uses a T618Z, the only thing I know about this turbo is that it is fairly small, can't seem to find anything else about it. As far as the intake getting wet: If I were using the STS kit, i'd probably use a can around the filter (kind of like the one on the SR Intake) and use a pipe with an exhaust tip on it to take a suction from the rear of the car, and route the exhaust out the other side. Mainly to keep the rear look balanced.

What I'd also like to know is since this is designed for higher boost does that logicaly mean it is more reliable at low boost than the Greddy which cannot handle high boost?

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/mazda-rx8-extreme.htm

WOW, you guys really took off on this...I lost track of this post a LONG time ago.

Philodox is almost done with his Turbo install
STS Seems to be able to provide a VERY good turbo (tell them people TELL THEM)
The Ausssie's are playing around with 360HP RX8's

The day of the RX8 is comming....comming, ha ha ha ha ha.....

I'm so glad that I actually have one now so MAYBE in the future I can somehow convince my wife that "I need" a SC/Turbo....so my fellow RX8 Turbo friends don't make fun of me at 238HP...LOL

We all need them to know that us RX8 people are really interested in their product.

This is my question with all of this, I HAVE NO EXPERIANCE WITH TURBO/SC...installation, maintenance, etc....who will be my guide?

OK, I just emailed them again and said:

"Hello,

I just wanted to stop by and remind you about the RX8. We are discussing your turbo system for our RX8 at:

www.rx8club.com

We want to make sure that you keep up the good work and let you know that we are VERY interested in your turbo kit for our RX8's.

Please visit the site, become a member "vendor" and help us understand your system a little better."

I hope they visit...

They have, actually...a month or two back. :)

What? Where? When? What did they say????

Here it is: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=34824

Hey Guys just talked with bradyb from STS Turbos, don't hold your breath , he said maybe in a year (2006). apparently they are busy working on the C5/C6 and Viper systems first.

Dang...that sucks!

They told me some time this year....not in 2006, well...NEXT! Greddy already has a turbo but I guess they don't want to mess with a rotary yet.

Your right it does suck, and they do feel the rotary is a complicated engine and might be concerned about proper tuning for this engine.. Oh well there are other vendors almost ready to hit the market anyway.....

We need to hop on their butts and show a peaked interest in this. I, for one, feel that with proper R&D, this may well be the best turbo kit for the 8. As it is, the rene is fairly hot under that hood. This would also give us a reason to port that exhaust out and help increase flow a little bit... thus adding to the power of the 8. A high flow cat surely couldnt hurt as well, assuming the heat gain from the exhaust is not parasitic to the flow.

Yes, there are cons and concerns about putting a turbo after the exhaust. But I for one would be willing to donate my car for a test on this system. Remember, the more kits that come out, the lower the price will be and the better selection we will have to find a FI system that suits our needs. All we have to do is show them there IS a market.

one of the most significant questions about this system remains unanswered. how would you route the compressed air back to the engine bay in the RX8.?

Ah....YESSSSSSSSS, well why am I in a rush...I aint touching my 8 in a long time!

one of the most significant questions about this system remains unanswered. how would you route the compressed air back to the engine bay in the RX8.?
Cut a hole in the trunk floor and run it back through the passenger compartment as an armrest!

perfect thanks! :rolleyes:

one of the most significant questions about this system remains unanswered. how would you route the compressed air back to the engine bay in the RX8.?

When RG and I pulled my airbox out I was thinking that very question, there would need to be some relocating of stuff b/c there isn't any clear hole in the engine bay big enough for a pipe.

The truck applications prolly have no issues, b/c if you've ever looked in a truck engine bay, you can practically stand in there.

Now with the 8, we might have to relocate the battery, but I don't think its a huge issue. I will take some thought and experimentation. I hope somebody buys the universal kit and tries it out.

Hell, when my warranty is gone, I might try to build a custom turbo using the rear concept. I'm going to spend the next year learning the emanage and ECU first, which should make the custom setup easier.

Hey so this thread has gone down in conversation but I Have bought the universal STS kit and got a performance shop to do the install, I have driven the car some but am waiting for Mazdamaniac to get my tuning for my AP done. I have a small vibrant (18x6x3) inter cooler and it runs 6 degrees F over ambient which i think is pretty good. My waste gate is set for 7 pounds, once i have a tune and can actually get into boosted ranges i expect 250-275 hp.

Did you consult with anyone about the size of the turbo? How about some pictures of the installation?
I have for a long time been interested in the STS system and looking forward to any future posts.

I will get some pictures of the car up on a lift so you can really see how it is set up. The turbo I wanted with my kit is good for 380 HP, since I don't have a tune yet I don't know it is spools enough air to give seven pounds all the way to 9000.

Subscribed. They make great kits.

Check out the pictures of my remote mount turbo. http://web.rotaryinsider.com/viewtopic.php?p=437#437

Have any updated pics? Those are a year old.

I took those of the first, possibly you have confused the date I joined rotary insider with the date that post was made.

I just called them and they said they got a few projects they are working on and to call a guy at PSI around philly PA that works on the universal kit. It would cost around 5k with everything out the door, and stainless steel pipes, but I would have to take it to get it tuned since he's never messed with our engines. He did say there is a shop about 5 miles from him the specialize in the rx7's.

How much did you pay for your kit? Is your car still running normal? Tuned or not?

Any updates?

he said it cost $1700 for the kit

and $2100 CAD to install.

getting tuned this spring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWuEjcNisM

Remote turbo in action, just a little taste of the sound.