My coworker has 1997 Acura Integra GSR and he said he can bit the 8 is this true. I looked it up and it said only 170hp... even auto can beat it lol

just have him follow you onto the highway, on the ramp gun it and i bet he can't keep up :)

hehe lol he said it depends on the driver .... what is he thinking?

of course it depends on the driver, he's the one that bought the crappy car :P

ohhhhh lol just cuz im a girl dont mean that im a slow driver

the GSR is lighter than your 8 though, by a couple hundred pounds at least, is the GSR stick or auto? if its stick he *may* beat you depending on his driving :P

For some reason everybody and his brother thinks they can beat an RX8 because its like .?? seconds slower than a 350Z.. or not QUITE as fast a S2000...... geez.

he has stick

people try to race me everytime I never lost so maybe I should prove it to him

I've got a 97 Type R and an RX-8. I'd say the two cars are pretty evenly matched, straight line and twisties. The Type R's major advantage over the GSR in the turns is due to the limited-slip differential and the suspension. The Type R is a good half-second quicker 0-60 than the GSR.

GSRs are great cars - don't get me wrong - I just don't think they are in the same performance class as the 8.

My '95 GSR (5MT) was a blast to drive (Hell, it took me 3 test drives of the WRX before I traded in the GSR for it). Both the GSR and RX8 are nimble, hi-revvers with a "gotta-drive-it-like-you-stole-it" feel. That said, my 6MT RX8 eclipses the GSR in every way. The ITR is pretty close to the 6MT RX8, and it'll eat the 4AT RX8.

No, you should kill him. Try getting on the gas hard when going onto an on-ramp and he's loooong gone.

Integra's are VERY fast car's and incredibly nimble. Depending on how his car is setup, it could easy smash an ATX, in the curves, and in a straight line.

There is a reason why integra's are autox'd and track'd. Their lightweight, with good available modifications, and decent power to weight ratios.

It all comes down to the driver though...given a competent stick driver, if the cars are even slightly close, the mtx will always win. Human > Computer.

Also gotta remember that street racing isn't actually "racing anyone". Most street races consist of one person flooring it, and the other guy having absolutely no clue whats going on...and just wanting to finish driving to work. If you want to claim a "win" over another vehicle, or that you've never lost....bring it to the track or autox and prove it :).

DC/VA/MD has a rediculous amount of motorsports, from VIR, to summit point, to MIR, 1/8 mile tracks, an excellent scca organization, local club autox's, council autox's....absolutely zero reason to try and race someone from stoplight to stoplight...thats for the civic forums =/.

his integra is STOCK

According to this year's scca results...the integra's are only about a second behind the MTX rx8's...which means given similar drivers, stock vs stock, the integra would win in the twistys vs the significantly heavier ATX rx8.

Check the SCCA results for verifications. Rx8's are generally in BS, Integra's in DS.

But as said before, these comparisons are rather pointless. Take your car autox'in, bring your friend, have a good rivilary of fun :)

When I said I never LOST I meant street race.... I doubt my car will see TRACK AT ALL EVER! Oh damn right I can claim whenever and where ever I want to.


""absolutely zero reason to try and race someone from stoplight to stoplight...thats for the civic forums ""

Well since that applies to me then so be it my 8 will now be a Honda... I dont care. I think you're underestimating the auto. I can tell what street racing is. It is when when they look at you start nodding their heads and try to accelerate as fast as they can. I dont claim winning when they dont know whats going on. That's rather stupid.


Integra's are VERY fast car's and incredibly nimble. Depending on how his car is setup, it could easy smash an ATX, in the curves, and in a straight line.

There is a reason why integra's are autox'd and track'd. Their lightweight, with good available modifications, and decent power to weight ratios.

It all comes down to the driver though...given a competent stick driver, if the cars are even slightly close, the mtx will always win. Human > Computer.

Also gotta remember that street racing isn't actually "racing anyone". Most street races consist of one person flooring it, and the other guy having absolutely no clue whats going on...and just wanting to finish driving to work. If you want to claim a "win" over another vehicle, or that you've never lost....bring it to the track or autox and prove it :).

DC/VA/MD has a rediculous amount of motorsports, from VIR, to summit point, to MIR, 1/8 mile tracks, an excellent scca organization, local club autox's, council autox's....absolutely zero reason to try and race someone from stoplight to stoplight...thats for the civic forums =/.

JUst go get a Viper and shut him up that way. :D :D The 8 will win on a straight line.

I don't mean to get you upset...I'm just saying to try and keep it off the street y0! VA laws can impound your car, invoke your license, and even get you jail time.

Kinda of silly considering the avenue of legal racing organizations in the area, including the mazda ones, which are just 25 dollars for a whopping 10 autox runs. And you'll smoke tons of cars in an rx8 in an autox. Maybe not the first autox, but once you pick it up, the 8 slaughters most of the competition. Plus it also gives you actual evidence of your wins, and gives you the right to join Mazdamotorsports, which gives you discounts on performance parts, a yearly S-plan pin #, and enables you to win cash prizes for placing in competitive events.

http://www.mazdamotorsports.com

Just trying to take the furious out of the fast.

bone stock the GSR will lose on a cannonball run on the freeway...But if modded it will put up a pretty good fight...Me personally, I have not lost to a GSR or civic..but my buddy's turbo LS come close...

Why dont get to the point the first time? This is not a puzzle.

I don't mean to get you upset...I'm just saying to try and keep it off the street y0! VA laws can impound your car, invoke your license, and even get you jail time.

Kinda of silly considering the avenue of legal racing organizations in the area, including the mazda ones, which are just 25 dollars for a whopping 10 autox runs. And you'll smoke tons of cars in an rx8 in an autox. Maybe not the first autox, but once you pick it up, the 8 slaughters most of the competition. Plus it also gives you actual evidence of your wins, and gives you the right to join Mazdamotorsports, which gives you discounts on performance parts, a yearly S-plan pin #, and enables you to win cash prizes for placing in competitive events.

http://www.mazdamotorsports.com

integras doesn't take much to increase a good amount of power, imo it probably be pretty close, either auto or stick you should be able to get ahead in the beginning being that you have more torque.

I had a 2001 Integra GS-R and I have to say that I love the 8 so much better. Not that I have track times to back this up, and I have a 8 MT, but I think that there is no contest between the 8 and the GS-R. Of course my 8 was $10K more expensive than my GS-R. This is also not to say that I didn't love the GS-R (my biggest criticism of the GS-R was it was stolen 3 x's in 3 years).

dag

The GSR's only came in 5spd manual. They weigh about 2700lbs? On average they run mid 15's in the 1/4 (lower/higher obviously depending on the driver).

I dont know much about the RX8, but from what I've gathered the auto's seem to muster 16's at best.

So yeah, unless you're running w/ a MT, I'd give the edge to the GSR.

If your auto, its gonna be tough from a stoplight, but from a roll, you should have him no problem. Also i hate it when people start throwing mods into the mix.....obviously if the car is modded, its gonna be faster....yes parts for hondas are more readily available.....but in my mind i always compare stock to stock......its not fair to factor in mods....most of the time this makes cars unlikely to be street legal and so on.

I feel right at home in this thread, because I was happy with my 1994 GS-R until the day I replaced it with my RX8 (AT). The GS-R revved strongly and happily to 8,000 (500 over the AT's redline), and definitely felt faster in the mid-range (2,000-4,500) than my AT. Off the published numbers, an MT RX8 should wax the GS-R.

My GS-R felt great in track days at Watkins Glen, except for too little torque on a hairpin followed by a steep upgrade. I suspect 8s would have pretty similar problems. I haven't taken the 8 to a track yet, and haven't felt confident enough to get close on the road to the higher g-force limits that the magazine tests say it can achieve.

The feeling of doing some laps at a track and beginning to feel how the suspension "sets" under cornering load, braking, acceleration etc. is great. There is no comparison to road driving, where you can't use the entire width of the road -- unless you're crazy. There is typically good instruction at track events for drivers of all levels. I recommend it.

Mitch
BTW, my GS-R was bought by a college kid whose old RX-7 had been rear-ended/totalled. He still wants to get back to rotary power, but is pleased with the GS-R.

..... GS-R?

I used to own a Honda Integra Type R (JDM 96 spec DC2) which has 198 bhp, and it was light 1080kg.

I think the 8 is very similar to the DC2 in striaght line performance, since the VTEC does not kick in until 5800 rpm. Cornering speed is comparable, but it will be more confident to drive the DC2 then the 8 since much harder stock suspension. There is still a natural understeer.

I think a better mod DC2R will be much faster than the RX-8. I am still struggling to clock 1'37" in my rx-8 on a particular track but my mate with his DC2R is doing 1'34". IT is probably due to the thing behind the steering wheel i know ;)

The GS-R, the car that started this thread, was the highest-performance version of a mass-production daily driver line of 2 and 4-door cars. In its first year, there was just a 2-door; after that GS-Rs were available in both 2 and 4-door versions. (I tried the first version, and told the dealer I'd like a 4-door, like my 1987 Integra. When it came out, I bought it.) Interestingly, GS-R sales in the U.S. were about the same as Mazda's goal for the RX8 -- 30,000.

The R Series came years later, when the GS-R was getting pretty old in the market and Honda (Acura) was looking for some freshening up and excitement. It was a small-production 2-door niche car, essentially a limited-production factory hopup. The basic car wasn't changed, but fairly simple steps were taken to dump comfort for performance. Out went went sound insulation and normal muffling, out went compliant ride, in came better hp/weight ratio, stirring exhaust noises and stiff, quick-reaction handling. Even the AC came out (you could option it back). And on came bright red badging and stuff to set hotshots apart from ordinary folks.

A stock RX8 is much more like the GS-R. The Type R would compare with a Mazdaspeed RX8 with only modest engine tweaks.

Mitch

You should win. Barely.

I just dug out the specs on the US version of the Type R. HP is 195, weight 1170 kg. The VTEC crossover is complicated: 5700/5400 at full throttle, 5900/5600 at anything less.

All the specs reinforce my recollection that this car, unlike a stock RX8, would not be what most people, even most people on this forum, consider a daily driver. Torque peak 7500, power peak 8,000 (redline 8400) compared with torque 5500 and power 8500 (redline 9000) for the MT RX8. Suspension was lowered, stiffened and braced compared with the GS-R, but interestingly Honda stuck with the same 195-55 (15") size for the Potenzas.

Mitch

All the specs reinforce my recollection that this car, unlike a stock RX8, would not be what most people, even most people on this forum, consider a daily driver... Suspension was lowered, stiffened and braced compared with the GS-R...

Mitch

My chiropractor would concur with you. Drove the R as a daily driver for four years, and my back got so bad I couldn't stand to drive the 20 minutes to/from work. Got a 95 Prelude VTEC as a daily driver and voila - no more back problems.

I wonder why some of you believe a 130-145-hp, 100? lbs-ft-at the wheels, 2600-2700lbs Integra would have a chance against 175hp, 120?lbs-ft-at the wheels 2900lbs RX8? Especially from a rolling start, I'd bet a competent driver in the RX8 every time.

:)

My chiropractor would concur with you. Drove the R as a daily driver for four years, and my back got so bad I couldn't stand to drive the 20 minutes to/from work. Got a 95 Prelude VTEC as a daily driver and voila - no more back problems.
Really? :eek: That is interesting... I guess there is no chance in the world you will change the suspension and strut bars on your RX-8?

Really? :eek: That is interesting... I guess there is no chance in the world you will change the suspension and strut bars on your RX-8?

Hehe... nope. The 8 will stay stock. I really like the stock suspension - firm, yet comfortable. I don't spend any time at the track though.

When I had my FC Turbo, and it was still completely stock, I pulled on my friend's GSR that had an intake and a cat back. I'm not saying I won by several car lengths, it was maybe a little more than one but less than two. We started at a roll around 10mph in second gear and floored it, first one to 70. The next week I had power pulleys, an intake and a downpipe installed, and it wasn't even close.

Based on that, a MT RX-8 I don't think should have any trouble.

My coworker has 1997 Acura Integra GSR and he said he can bit the 8 is this true. I looked it up and it said only 170hp... even auto can beat it lol

Who cares. His car is still a front wheel drive car. RX-8 is rear wheel. I'd rather have a rear wheel drive Hyundai than a front wheel drive Integra. Once you get used to driving a rear wheel drive car you can never go back to a front wheel drive car. The feeling is just too different. I personally like the feel of a RWD than a AWD....basically I like to do things in the rear.

CypressRX8

Obviously everyone here agrees the 8 is far better......And i cant believe anyone is even arguing in favor of the Type R being "better handling" i mean, .if you were to compare the a factory modded mazdaspeed RX-8 to the factory modded type R.....hahahaha, no chance......Also, fopr anyone who hasnt read...this is a race of an AT RX-8 vs. a stick GSR

GSR will win hands down. My Hyundai Elantra will walk a RX8.

Obviously everyone here agrees the 8 is far better......And i cant believe anyone is even arguing in favor of the Type R being "better handling" i mean, .if you were to compare the a factory modded mazdaspeed RX-8 to the factory modded type R.....hahahaha, no chance......Also, fopr anyone who hasnt read...this is a race of an AT RX-8 vs. a stick GSR


Uhhh there is no Mazdaspeed 8 yet. If you don't find the Teg Type R impressive you haven't driven one yet, it's a pretty remarkable car on a track. Lastly if this is in fact a race between an AT RX-8 and a GSR the GSR wins hands down.

Uhhh there is no Mazdaspeed 8 yet. If you don't find the Teg Type R impressive you haven't driven one yet, it's a pretty remarkable car on a track. Lastly if this is in fact a race between an AT RX-8 and a GSR the GSR wins hands down.


agreed, the type r is a menace at the track being ff too, its quite an impressive ride overall especially for the price. Can't say much for the gsr or the styling tho.