This information can be used to add a new key and / or remote (including 2005 retractable key / remote to 2004 cars) to your vehicle.

Two things to keep in mind-

Key programming-

You MUST have at least two existing keys in order to add another new key. This will not work if you only have one good key, & want to add a new key. If you only have one good key(or have lost all keys) you will need to go to the dealer.

Remote programming-

IMPORTANT- When the instructions indicate you must press the door switch 3 times, they mean the door ajar switch located on the rear door, just below the front door catch.

Enjoy!

great post, but I was just able to read the key programing. The last attachment only shows procedure 1 and 2 and no where says to press the door switch 3 times (procedure 5?). Could you point out in your attachment how to program the remote?

Oops. Try # 4

Ohh much better.. I first, I thought that I needed new glasses hahaha :) By the way, I am ok with my old keys but at least I got the option in upgrading later on
Thanks!

Great info thanks .

cheers
michael

eh..... http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=15244

1/2 of a repost ?:rolleyes: :D

Thanks Mazda Monkey (and takahashi). Got the '05 Key/Remote this weekend. Programming went smoothly. I have an early build '04 RX8 (pre-order) in case anyone was wondering. So if it worked on my car I think it should work on any '04. Hardest part was probably finding a place to do the key cut. Ended up getting it cut at an Ace Hardware store on one of those key tracing (touch less) machines.

So the idea that I am getting, is that, if I only have one remaining valid key, and my valet key I cannot program my new retractable key without the Dealer's assistance with the WDS? Or is there a way other than the WDS to achieve this. Thanks

K1nG,

They need for VIN number just for data logging. Mazda obviously does not want to give a RX-8 chipped key to anyone. There is no "special" key for your car. Most RX-8 key should be generatic for all RX-8 models *(4 port or 6 port)


mercury273,

Valet key should have a chip in it since it can start a car. So theoretically you can use it as a 2nd coded key.

WDS DOES NOT code keys - it is simply bullshit and the identification tag is at your ignition of your car (not the WDS). If so WDS can start your car without your key and why do they want you to leave your set of keys behind for service then ;).

Hope this helps.

Thanks takahashi, I will give that a try.

Voila, it worked and on the first try even

1 valid key
1 valet key
then the new flip one.

worked like a charm

I was going to say...

* you bastard, ~ a new flip key ;)*

But hey... it worked and glad I helped. ;)

Haha, thanks again

Maybe you should go and pick one up.

K1nG,

They need for VIN number just for data logging. Mazda obviously does not want to give a RX-8 chipped key to anyone. There is no "special" key for your car. Most RX-8 key should be generatic for all RX-8 models *(4 port or 6 port)


mercury273,

Valet key should have a chip in it since it can start a car. So theoretically you can use it as a 2nd coded key.

WDS DOES NOT code keys - it is simply bullshit and the identification tag is at your ignition of your car (not the WDS). If so WDS can start your car without your key and why do they want you to leave your set of keys behind for service then ;).

Hope this helps.



If you only have one remaining key that starts the engine, WDS is the only way to program additional keys, can't do it yourself with only one good one.

I really need someone to help me. Programing remote part is as easy as cake. :D

But the key..... oohhh how to make it work?? :mad:

thanks

I got it works. :D only point is quick quick and quick.

thanks every one on this fourm

FYI for those of you with the '05 key, or those replacing the remote... doing the key replacement procedure alone will not program the remote. To get that part working, you need to follow page 4 of the directions posted:

I used a thin one that's a little bit less than 1/2 inch.

Okay, this is cool.
But if I want the new retractable key for my 04 car, do I just order a "blank" one from the dealer, get it cut somewhere, and then do the posted procedures?

Jeff

Okay, this is cool.
But if I want the new retractable key for my 04 car, do I just order a "blank" one from the dealer, get it cut somewhere, and then do the posted procedures?

JeffYes and yes. If you order it from a dealership and give them your VIN, they can ship it to you pre-cut. Then all you have to do is program the car to accept the key and the remote.

just coded my own 05 key thanks guys. the transmitter was the hardest part but ill give good instructions right here.

1 sit in car

2 open driver door

3 put the key in move it
to lock to on
to lock to on
to lock to on

theres a small button in the door jam with a rubber stopper on it press it 3 times

now check that the door buttons still work and lock and unlock the doors.

then press any button on your key fob twice. now be patient cuz it takes like 5 seconds for it to first work.

MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS ALL QUICKLY!!!! 30 secs and under.

Just had my new "switch blade" key/remote cut at the dealership - they did it for FREE! I then quickly programmed the new key in the ignition in like 30 seconds thanks to the D.I.Y. here. Then I programmed the remote fob (attached to the new key) in like another 45 seconds. All my keys and remotes are working with my 8. This was the easiest upgrade by far thanks to the folks who posted to/on this D.I.Y. :)

What did you all pay for your keys?

I was charged separately for the key half, and the remote half, which plug together.

Jeff

Got it here... http://www.rx8garage.net/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=260&

is the 05 RX folding key the same as the 05 Mazdaspeed MX-5? I'd like to order it for my 04 Mazdaspeed MX-5.

this maybe a stupid question, but how do you get the key ring on the 05 remote? i got it working and everything, but how do you get a key ring on it?, does that little chrome piece on the bottom snap off or open?

I just got a new 04 last week and my salesman talked to the service guy in charge of setting up keys and they were going to hook me up w/two 05 key fobs absolutely free. Unfortunately he said he spent 15 minutes trying to program them for the car but no dice. So I got the old key fobs instead. I guess the problem was that there weren't already two 04 keys programmed to the car so it wouldn't accept the 05? Maybe now that I have two 04 keys I'll go back and see if I can convince him to try once more.

I just programmed my '05 key to my '04 8 without a hitch. I really want to say thanks to the other 8 owners out there participating in this forum. The community here is fantastic and it really makes owning a great car that much more fantastic, especially if you enjoy personalizing it like I do. :)

Hi,
I noticed that some people bought the blank key from the website posted earlier it costs $170.00 for 1. For those who bought at the dealership how much did it cost. I am very excited, when I talked to Mazda about them making a 05 key fob for the 04's they said they would pass it along and there wasn't one out. I wish I knew about this before

I just tried the programming procedure with mixed success.

the key coded fine; the transmitter took a few tries; but the boot release wont work?

any secret to getting the boot button to work?

This may sound stupid, but was is the boot button?

the trunk button

Yup. Britain/US:
Boot/Trunk
Bonnet/Hood

the transmitter took a few tries; but the boot release wont work?Are you saying that the lock/open/panic buttons do work but the trunk release doesn't?
Either your remote is flawed or maybe you got one of those newer remotes where the trunk release has a delay feature... try to hold it down.

For the record, I got my remote and blank key and programmed both in a few minutes today without a hitch.
The local lock store only wanted a buck for cutting the key... woot!

Did you check the glovebox override switch?

S

Are you saying that the lock/open/panic buttons do work but the trunk release doesn't?
Either your remote is flawed or maybe you got one of those newer remotes where the trunk release has a delay feature... try to hold it down.



this is exactly the problem. I'll try holding the button down longer.

i'll check it out but I don't think it is the glovebox button as my other remotes work.

the funny part is I can bump my old remotes off the system so they don't work, then recode them and they work fine, boot release included.

one day I'll have time to go back to the dealers.

Either your remote is flawed or maybe you got one of those newer remotes where the trunk release has a delay feature... try to hold it down.


that was it! I just needed to hold it down. I wish the dealer had told me that!

thanks Tamas!

I've got a question:

I have an '04 8 and I have always wanted to upgrade to the '05 key. There is a guy who has an extra 05 key that will sell it to me cheaper than the $170 key from mazdaparts. The key is already cut but is brand new. I read somewhere in this forum before that it is possible to buy and replace just the key part itself. Hense, I will be buying this piece from this guy for just the FOB. Is this true? How much will the key (silver part) cost from a dealer?

Thanks...

I've got a question:

I have an '04 8 and I have always wanted to upgrade to the '05 key. There is a guy who has an extra 05 key that will sell it to me cheaper than the $170 key from mazdaparts. The key is already cut but is brand new. I read somewhere in this forum before that it is possible to buy and replace just the key part itself. Hense, I will be buying this piece from this guy for just the FOB. Is this true? How much will the key (silver part) cost from a dealer?

Thanks...
I'm pretty sure they are separate parts and can be separated. Take a look at it and see how it comes apart. BTW, check eBay for the prices those fobs have sold for in the past. I'm sure it was much, much less than $170.

hey, programming the remote...do i need ALL remotes? cause i dont have one remote on me at the moment...if i program the new remote with another existing remote will it erase the other remote that i have?????

hey, programming the remote...do i need ALL remotes? cause i dont have one remote on me at the moment...if i program the new remote with another existing remote will it erase the other remote that i have?????
I think you need 2 remotes that are already "registered" in the PCM in order to register a third unit.

I don't think you need two remotes. I know you must at least have one of them, but what you change from the 04 remote to the 05 or newer, it actually changes the frequency that it's transmitted. So, the old remotes will be useless, unless you go back and program them. You can only use one set at a time(either the 05 or newer, or the o4 remotes.)

So, the old remotes will be useless, unless you go back and program them. You can only use one set at a time(either the 05 or newer, or the o4 remotes.)

is that true with everyone else???

is that true with everyone else???

Don't know, but I'll be trying tonight with my 04 keys and my new switchblade 05 key. I'll post back if it worked or not.

is that true with everyone else???

i thought i read somewhere that as long as you program (or reprogram) them all at the same time that they will all function properly.

alcimedes:
Did you buy the mazdaparts $170 key or did you ebay it then get a new key blank?

I got a key blank and an already cut key/remote from ebay.

That being said, I've got a bit of a problem.

The remote won't reprogram. I've followed the steps a dozen times and for the life of me I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I put the new (switchblade style) key into the ignition, and follow the standard steps. When it's ready to go, the locks lock/unlock.

I press the unlock key on the new remote twice. Nothing. I press the lock button twice, nothing. However, if I press any of the buttons on my two older remotes twice the locks lock/unlock and all is well.

When I pull the new switchblade style key out of the ignition, the locks go through their lock/unlock/lock/unlock cycle.

However, the new key isn't programmed. The key lights up when I press a button, but it won't work.

Any ideas?

I got a key blank and an already cut key/remote from ebay.

That being said, I've got a bit of a problem.

The remote won't reprogram. I've followed the steps a dozen times and for the life of me I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I put the new (switchblade style) key into the ignition, and follow the standard steps. When it's ready to go, the locks lock/unlock.

I press the unlock key on the new remote twice. Nothing. I press the lock button twice, nothing. However, if I press any of the buttons on my two older remotes twice the locks lock/unlock and all is well.

When I pull the new switchblade style key out of the ignition, the locks go through their lock/unlock/lock/unlock cycle.

However, the new key isn't programmed. The key lights up when I press a button, but it won't work.

Any ideas?

hmmm... weird

Are you sure you did the correct steps in the sequence in which they should? Did you use 2 original keys before the new (3rd key) switchblade? Its been said that you need 2 original 04 keys/fob to be able to reprogram a 3rd (being the 05 retractable).

On a side note:
How much did the key blank cost you and where did you buy? If from a dealer, did they have it in stock? And where did you have yours cut? I've heard Home Depot has caused a few problems.

I picked up my key blank from Rosenthal Mazda (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=RX081063) for $35. Took a day or two for it to show up. I brought it over to my local Ace Hardware and they cut it no problem. Just make sure it's deep enough. Try it after it's cut. As they cut keys the spacer and cutting wheel wear at slightly different rates, so you can get a key that works but isn't as smooth as it should be. That being said:


The key is programmed fine. I've used it to drive the car around no problem. The remote is the problem. I have two original keys and remotes. Every step seems to match the write-ups as far as how the car is responding to the programming of the remotes, it just isn't picking up the new switchblade style remote signal (at least that's what it seems like).

A question for those who have this style of key. What color is the middle part when it lights up? Should it turn orange for a half second or so then go off? I'm wondering if the battery is shot in the remote.

Orange? On mine, the light in the middle is red, not orange. Yes, it turns on for a half second, then goes off even if I hold the open or close buttons down.

Orange/red, whichever. It sounds like if it lights up it should have enough juice. Maybe I'll bite the bullet and swing by a dealership and see if I can get someone to program the key for me. Poop. :)

So the dealership only gave me one fob for my 04 rx8. I broke that fob but they have another one for me that I need to pick up.

From what Ive read, you can reprogram a fob without having one thats working, right?

YOU need 2 working remotes to program another remote. The dealer can program a single remote with their equipment.

So the dealership only gave me one fob for my 04 rx8. I broke that fob but they have another one for me that I need to pick up.

From what Ive read, you can reprogram a fob without having one thats working, right?

the dealership can

why did you only get 1 fob? they are supposed to get you 2! Unless, you bought your car used and they only offered 1 upon the sell of the car.

YOU need 2 working remotes to program another remote. The dealer can program a single remote with their equipment.
Crap.


the dealership can

why did you only get 1 fob? they are supposed to get you 2! Unless, you bought your car used and they only offered 1 upon the sell of the car.
It was technically used (1400 miles). The salesman couldnt find the 2nd fob and so they ordered another one and tried to charge me for it! I figured in the future I should avoid them altogether and do this on my own but I guess I cant if you need 2 working keys and fobs to program new ones :(

Crap.


It was technically used (1400 miles). The salesman couldnt find the 2nd fob and so they ordered another one and tried to charge me for it! I figured in the future I should avoid them altogether and do this on my own but I guess I cant if you need 2 working keys and fobs to program new ones :(

My suggestion is talk to your salesman who should be a nice guy to you since you bought a car off of him and especially if it was recent because he wants you to complete a satisfaction survey...

talk him into programing a key for you for free. Have him talk to the guys at the service department. Tell him that it would be a great favor because of the fact that you never got that second fob. Also tell him that you would do it yourself since it only takes 5 mins but that because of the fact that THEY couldnt find you a spare fob... you need them to do it. They have the equipment to do it.

If you dont own an 05 fob yet... look on ebay. They go from $49-65 usually and you can then order a keyblank for $35 from Rosenthal Mazda.

best of luck :)

I picked up my key blank from Rosenthal Mazda (http://www.finishlineperformance.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=RX081063) for $35. Took a day or two for it to show up. I brought it over to my local Ace Hardware and they cut it no problem. Just make sure it's deep enough. Try it after it's cut. As they cut keys the spacer and cutting wheel wear at slightly different rates, so you can get a key that works but isn't as smooth as it should be. That being said:


The key is programmed fine. I've used it to drive the car around no problem. The remote is the problem. I have two original keys and remotes. Every step seems to match the write-ups as far as how the car is responding to the programming of the remotes, it just isn't picking up the new switchblade style remote signal (at least that's what it seems like).

A question for those who have this style of key. What color is the middle part when it lights up? Should it turn orange for a half second or so then go off? I'm wondering if the battery is shot in the remote.

alcimedes:

did you ever get your key and fob both working properly? If yes, what was wrong and how did you correct the problem?

Nope, not yet. I have two working remotes plus the third new remote. As of yet the programming hasn't taken. Everything works properly with the two remotes I had, but won't work for the switchblade style remote. I'm doing some work on the car though, so it's not a big rush right now.

Well I lucked out yesterday because they replaced my broken fob with a new one and gave me a 2nd one, all for free. I had put up a fuss awhile ago about it to get them to replace it at no cost, but I was expecting only 1 new fob, so I was quite shocked.

Then I mentioned to the service guy that I wanted to program a 3rd one myself and they tried to tell me its not possible, ha! I was like, people are doing it man, dont tell me it cant be done. He eventually said they are against it because something could potentially go wrong with the programming and put your car into anti-theft mode, essentially locking you out.

Whatever, weasly dealer man!

CLMANTIS21: If I got a 3rd key, the 05 switchblade one, will that make my 2 04 fobs not work anymore?

CLMANTIS21: If I got a 3rd key, the 05 switchblade one, will that make my 2 04 fobs not work anymore?

You are correct, if you have a 05 remote program, you won't be able to use your 04 fob.

You are correct, if you have a 05 remote program, you won't be able to use your 04 fob.
Huh? To quote post #22 from this thread:
2005 key for my 2004 RX8

Just had my new "switch blade" key/remote cut at the dealership - they did it for FREE! I then quickly programmed the new key in the ignition in like 30 seconds thanks to the D.I.Y. here. Then I programmed the remote fob (attached to the new key) in like another 45 seconds. All my keys and remotes are working with my 8. This was the easiest upgrade by far thanks to the folks who posted to/on this D.I.Y.

I find that very interesting, and I also wonder if you have done this. The reason I find this interesting is once you use the guide that is posted here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to use both the 04 remote and the 05, and have them registered at the same time. You can go back and hchange it, but you can have only one set either 04 or 05 programmed for use at once. The reasoning is that it changes the frequency the fobs are programmed. I.E. if you look at your 04 fob on the back the frequency (i.e. channel) is different from an 05 fob.

Now after this comment, I had to grab my '04 keys and check... needless to say, this is not true. Both my original '04 keys, fobs and my '05 switchblade key and fob work flawlessly. So I have now three sets of keys that all work fine.

Well crap. That was going to be my excuse for not being able to get it to work. :D

The keys will all work fine that isn't the issue. The issue is that once you program teh 05 fob, you can't use the 04 fob at the same time. Anyone you says you can operate both the 04 fob and 05 fob, are lying or don't understand the issue

The keys will all work fine that isn't the issue. The issue is that once you program teh 05 fob, you can't use the 04 fob at the same time. Anyone you says you can operate both the 04 fob and 05 fob, are lying or don't understand the issue
What am I missing here? Can you elaborate on the highlighted statement? Guess I'm a little dense, 'cause I thought that Tamas clearly stated that he had tested his '04 and '05 keys and fobs and that they all work at the same time. Are you implying that he is lying?

Yeah, I sure am lying :rolleyes:
csaltkill, you don't make any sense... what part of my response did you not understand? Let me repeat: I have a '04 car that came with the separate fobs and got myself a '05 switchblade key / remote. Both my original keys/fobs AND the switchblade key / remote work just the same. They all unlock/lock the doors and the keys start the car. You're welcome to come to my place and check it out if you don't believe me.
You have clearly no idea what you're talking about... stop spreading BS. People will thank you.

Alright, if you say it works then maybe it does. However, I followed the same proccess that is posted, and I can only use either the 04 fobs or the O5 remote. I can't use them both at the same time, currently if I want to use the 04 fobs, I have to reprogram. So maybe, I missed something in the instructions however, they are the same ones that are posted. So, what could I have missed?

Alright, if you say it works then maybe it does.Not 'maybe'. It does. Period.

So, what could I have missed?I have no idea. You're the first person who claims that programming the '05 remote disables the old fobs. If that's the case for you, then your '05 remote is different from the ones others are using.

I'm also wondering: how do you change back to the old fobs? Do you have two switchblade keys? Since programming a new key/remote requires two working ones...

I also added this to a new thread, but figured I was already logging my issue with programming my '05 remote, so I'll toss it in here as well.

]Last night someone else who's done the reprogram stopped by, we went over all the steps, and it seemed I was doing everything right, it just wasn't taking.

However, we did notice one difference between his '05 key and mine. On his key, when you press down a button and hold it (lock, unlock, etc) the light will flash one time and stop.

On my remote, the light flashes about once every second or so, and will just keep flashing. Anyone with an '05 remote know what this means? I did a search but couldn't find anything.

I'm also wondering: how do you change back to the old fobs? Do you have two switchblade keys? Since programming a new key/remote requires two working ones...

I am only using one 05 key and remote. You can switch back, as I didn't need both 04 fobs to program the 05. So hence, I don't need two 05 fobs. The keys are never an issuemas they work just fine. I can use the 04 key and the 05 key, but only one set of fobs. And thus the reasoning is the frequency settings

I am only using one 05 key and remote. You can switch back, as I didn't need both 04 fobs to program the 05. So hence, I don't need two 05 fobs. The keys are never an issuemas they work just fine. I can use the 04 key and the 05 key, but only one set of fobs. And thus the reasoning is the frequency settings
You might want to post the numbers from the fob so that Tamas can compare with his '05 fob.

"I didn't need both 04 fobs to program the 05."
How did you program the fob in that case? Did the dealer do it?

I will do the procedure over again, and explain the steps it has been 6 months since I have done it. I should be able to do this Saturday morning. I will also post the id's from the 04 and 05 then as well

OK, we'll be here. :mdrmed:

Ok, I ended up getting a refund from the person who sold me the original '05 key (sounds like it wasn't intended for the 8), so I'll probably try buying another. Before I do though, could someone who has '04 keys and then bought an '05 key that works post the following?

FCC and IC ID's for their '04 remotes

FCC and IC ID's for the working '05 remote.

I want to make sure before I purchase another one that it will work.

Ok, the end to my saga is pretty straight forward. The "RX8" key I initially bought on e-bay wasn't the right IC code. Not even close. The IC code you need is below:

4238A-41788

I just got a replacement key with that above code and it worked no problem. All three remotes work just fine. My '04's and my '05's.

I just got my new 05 key, but there seems to be a notch that may have broken off. It's brand new and there was no notch floating around in the bag. Has anyone noticed this and will the fob and key still fit together properly?

Will the Mazda 6 switchblade remote work on the RX8 ? Of course I know the key would need to be replaced but what about the remote itself. The remotes look identical.

My understanding is the remote will NOT work with the 8. I was originally given a 6 remote, and it would not work on the 8 at all. If in doubt, post the frequency codes from it here, and I can check that against the ones I know work and don't work.

OK...to CLEARLY SETTLE THE USAGE OF BOTH 04 AND 05 USAGE HERE IS MY EXPERIENCE...

yes both 04 and 05 key fobs work together. to my understanding from my experience is that the 04 fobs get erased if you follow the last few steps of the instructions. by this i mean, after you've coded your 05 fob to work, it then tells you to take your 04 fob and push any button twice. by doing this last step, i believe it erases it. how do i know this?
well, i have 2sets of 04 fobs. while i programmed the 05, i couldnt find one of the 04 fobs so only one of the 04 fobs went through the whole process. i find that after i did all the steps of programming with the 05 and 04 fobs, the 04 fob didnt work. then later i find the other missing 04 fob and try to open the car it works.

That might be true in some cases, but I have 2 '04 style fobs that work just fine with my '05 fob that I just programmed, following the instructions given in this thread.

I have an '04 and noticed if I didn't do the programming for all the fobs during the new programming of the switchblade fob the ones I didn't include in the programming fell off the car database of remotes that work with the car.

This is a security feature, so a person could reprogram their fobs to ensure that someone doesn't have an extra remote that works for their car.

The max number of remotes that work with the car is eight.

dam, why is everyone's programming experience differnt....DAM MAZDA! :mad:

bump for my question 4 posts up... anyone?

bump for my question 4 posts up... anyone?

I just got a new replacement key. It looks the same as yours. Don't have remote to connect it to so not sure if mine too is incorrect. Doubt it though.

I just got a new replacement key. It looks the same as yours. Don't have remote to connect it to so not sure if mine too is incorrect. Doubt it though.

thanks... still waiting on my remote too. guy said it's in the mail as of 3/31. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for a couple more days.

I just wanted to thank everyone for the info. It took a couple tries but the key and FOB works perfectly!!

You guys are the smartest people on the World Wide Web!

04 fcc id kpu41805
ic 4238a-12078

05 fcc id kpu41788
ic 4238a-41788

hope that is what you are looking for.

beers

I find that very interesting, and I also wonder if you have done this. The reason I find this interesting is once you use the guide that is posted here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to use both the 04 remote and the 05, and have them registered at the same time. You can go back and hchange it, but you can have only one set either 04 or 05 programmed for use at once. The reasoning is that it changes the frequency the fobs are programmed. I.E. if you look at your 04 fob on the back the frequency (i.e. channel) is different from an 05 fob.

04 fcc id kpu41805
ic 4238a-12078

05 fcc id kpu41788
ic 4238a-41788

hope that is what you are looking for.

beers


Hi. I have a 2004 rx8 wich came with two fobs. I bought the '05 remote on eBay with FCC ID: KPU41788 and IC ID : 4238A-41788.
I can program the two '04 fobs with the procedure described on the service manual, but not the '05. It works, because leds blink and it is in good condition, but it doesn't answer during the programming procedure.

I'm wondering if it's just what csaltkill said, that the frequency of the '05 is different from the '04 ones (at least the '04 ones I own). Does anybody know about that frequency issue? Did anybody had the same problem?

Thank you in advance.

make sure the hood and trunk are closed completly.. i had the hood open when i was doing mine and it would not work.

beers :beer:

All doors, trunk and hood were closed... I checked them for sure :(

Any clue about the difference between fob frequencies pointed out by csaltkill?

Thank you.

all i can say is these are the #s of my 04 car. 04 fob and 05 fob and key... they all work. i just followed the above mentioned instructions...

my 05 fob and key came from a dealer and was precut to my vin... xmas gift. bil is a service manager for a large mazda dealer....

dont know if it helps but that is the info.

beers :beer:

Did the 2005 model come with a non-retractable key remote or are the fcc ids only on retractable version. I have seen the retractable for 2005 and just want to know if ther is a non-retractable version for the 05 that matches the model/fcc id info you posted earlier.

as far as i know, all 05 models come with the retractable key. the fcc id's are different for 04/05. just out of curiosity, why do you want an 04 remote with the same fcc id as the 05 remote?

anyone can install the 06 remote (credit card size) for their 03+? ?????


I saw it in person the car has a plastic rubber located at the door trim area. The cc remote looks very nice and elite.

i'm sure you could install the cc remote, but it would take a lot of work and it would cost a ton. you'd have to install the automatic unlock system at the door handles, then install the keyless ignition system at the steering column.

all i can say is these are the #s of my 04 car. 04 fob and 05 fob and key... they all work. i just followed the above mentioned instructions...

my 05 fob and key came from a dealer and was precut to my vin... xmas gift. bil is a service manager for a large mazda dealer....

dont know if it helps but that is the info.

beers :beer:

Swoope,

The instructions worked like a charm. Thanks for pointing me here.

My only issue is that the dealer did the key cut poorly. the key only works (open door, trunk) if the mazda emblem is pointed toward you. Which leads me to believe the sides aren't identical. Doh! :mad: I shall revisit the dealer for that.

Thanks again this DIY is super easy!

Any hardware store should be able to buff out the burrs etc. in order to get the key to work either way.

hey guys....

got a European RX8, q2 of 2004,and the remote is a Visteon no 41844.I lost one of two i had and the dealer here asks me about 320 USD for a new one....
Anyone has a clear knowledege that this model is compatible with the Visteon no 41850 which is sold widely on Ebay?The appearence is almost identical,only the red button,which appears at the 41850, is black with a symbol of a car and the word 'off' at the 41844.
And even after reading 7 pages of the thread,can't figure out...:u need 2 remotes to program a new one?

Any help would be trully appreciated....

Yannis

hey guys....

got a European RX8, q2 of 2004,and the remote is a Visteon no 41844.I lost one of two i had and the dealer here asks me about 320 USD for a new one....
Anyone has a clear knowledege that this model is compatible with the Visteon no 41850 which is sold widely on Ebay?The appearence is almost identical,only the red button,which appears at the 41850, is black with a symbol of a car and the word 'off' at the 41844.
And even after reading 7 pages of the thread,can't figure out...:u need 2 remotes to program a new one?

Any help would be trully appreciated....

Yannis
Yes, on US cars at least, you need 2 remotes to program a new remote. Or you can pay a dealer to program a new remote.

Have no idea if Visteon #41844 is comparable/compatible with Visteon #41850. My guess would be that the programming procedure would be the same, but whether functionallity is the same is a question I can't answer. Maybe someone else on the forum can answer that question.

I believe it only takes one other remote to add the new one, but two previous keys to add the key to the database.

I just got my new 05 key, but there seems to be a notch that may have broken off. It's brand new and there was no notch floating around in the bag. Has anyone noticed this and will the fob and key still fit together properly?

That looks the same as mine also, shouldn't have a problem with the new key mating with the remote. ;)

I believe it only takes one other remote to add the new one, but two previous keys to add the key to the database.
You are correct. I was thinking of the wording that instructs how to code a second or third remote. My bad.

Here are the instructions from the shop manual (along with my rewording):

So after all this work, I somehow lost my key. Anyone know of other places to buy a blank key besides Rosenthal Mazda? Looks like his prices went up.

my remotes are the 04s. okay i lost my old remote, and so i don't have a spare. the one i am currently using died on me, i replaced the battery and it still doesnt work. i'm trying to reprogram it but it doesn't seem to work. i called the dealership and they're charging $45. there is no way i am paying $45 for a 5 minute procdure. I've been trying to reprogram the rmote with no luck and no way to tell if the remote is even working. can i even do the reprogram with one remote or am i gonna need a second one? for now i'm using my keys to open the car, but that sucks haha.

Are the trunk, hood, and doors closed completely after you initiate the programming sequence?

The door locks should lock and unlock twice quickly to tell you you are in the programming mode. ;)

yea they do the lock unlock thing, and i get to the part when i have to press the key fob button twice, and nothing happens. everything goes right until i get to the key fob part.

HI,

I recently got a combined key-remote and easily managed to programme the key part using the instructions I found on the forum.

I have problems though programming the remote. Could it be because I only have one original remote?

OK here is my delema, I had two original keys--I was one of the first wave to buy the 05 key for my 04--I programmed it and it worked back in the day, one of my set of key remotes didn't work after that, no big deal because I had the 05 and an 04 remote that worked and all three keys turned the car on. Fast forward to today...I lost the 05 key so I bought a replacement and got it keyed--so now I have a set of 04 keys with remote that work, an 04 key with a remote that does not work and my new 05 key that I need to program - can I still program the remote on the 05 key by myself? And another alteration to the riddle--the 04 key that I have with remote that works, one of my friends has right now (long story) - do I need to get a hold of that key before I try and program the new one?

From what I managed to understand you need two working keys to programme a new key.

To programme a new remote you only need one working key and one working remote.

I suppose you know the procedure since you have done it before.

There is a maximum number of remotes that you can programme to a car. (I am not sure how many). If you have already reached that number then I read that by programming a new one, one of the previously programmed remotes will be kicked off the car memory and will not work any more. I have not tried this myself so I cannot be sure if this is the case.

That is correct. The reason for this is so a person couldn't add a key with just one programmed key. (like when in for service or valet).

Don't hand the service or valet a key ring with more than one programmed key for your car...

Anyone knows of a shop in Europe where I could buy a flip key for a reasonable price?

As I found out the hard way, US remotes do not work on european RX8s

Ok, I've read all of these posts a few times, so here is my problem:

I bought an 04 last week, and the car only came with one key and no remote. The dealership hooked me up with a remote. This was late in the day on a Saturday, so the service dept had left. I was able to go through the steps to program it, but when I get to the part where you press any button on the remote twice and the doors are supposed to lock/unlock, nothing happens. I've tried it about 10 times, but still doesn't want to work. I would just go to the dealership that I bought it from, but its about 1 1/2 hrs away. Just today I stopped by my local dealership, and they told me that they charge $110 just to look at it! It's supposed to take like a minute or two, and they are going to charge me over a 100 bucks! What morons!
Anyhow, I'm trying to avoid having to make the drive, SO...anyone have any suggestions on what it might be? I'm tired of locking/unlocking my car with the key!

Thanks, in advance.

Perhaps they gave you the wrong remote? The numbers on the reverse side should be:

Visteon Model #41848
FCC ID: KPU41805
IC: 4238A-12076

If the numbers are different from the above, the remote is likely not for the '04 RX-8. Make a trip to the dealer and ask for 2 keys and 2 remotes. The car came new with that plus a valet key, so he should be obligated to provide the same thing.

Ok, I've read all of these posts a few times, so here is my problem:

I bought an 04 last week, and the car only came with one key and no remote. The dealership hooked me up with a remote. This was late in the day on a Saturday, so the service dept had left. I was able to go through the steps to program it, but when I get to the part where you press any button on the remote twice and the doors are supposed to lock/unlock, nothing happens. I've tried it about 10 times, but still doesn't want to work. I would just go to the dealership that I bought it from, but its about 1 1/2 hrs away. Just today I stopped by my local dealership, and they told me that they charge $110 just to look at it! It's supposed to take like a minute or two, and they are going to charge me over a 100 bucks! What morons!
Anyhow, I'm trying to avoid having to make the drive, SO...anyone have any suggestions on what it might be? I'm tired of locking/unlocking my car with the key!

Thanks, in advance.

In order to program the remote you have to have one working remote for the car to enter the programming sequence the working remote needs to be pressed twice then the one that is being programmed.

They should program it for free if you bought it through them. :yesnod:

Perhaps they gave you the wrong remote? The numbers on the reverse side should be:

Visteon Model #41848
FCC ID: KPU41805
IC: 4238A-12076

If the numbers are different from the above, the remote is likely not for the '04 RX-8. Make a trip to the dealer and ask for 2 keys and 2 remotes. The car came new with that plus a valet key, so he should be obligated to provide the same thing.

I have that FCC ID #, and IC. My Visteon model # is 41805. The dealer I bought the car from said they would do it for free, however I am just trying to avoid making the 1 1/2 hr drive down there just to do it. It would be nice if the dealership here would just do it for me, and not charge $110!

Hi all!

Where are you guys getting just a blank key? I have the transmitter working but I need to have a new key cut. I've called a couple Mazda dealerships and only one has offered to special order the key portion for me ($50) and even then they were positive it wouldn't work and I'd be wasting my time/money :uh:. Anyway, this a reasonable price? Or are there cheaper alternatives? Mazdaparts.com looks like they only sell the keys as a single unit.

Thanks!

you can get blank keys from the dealer or rosentall mazda in the vendor section....

as long as you have two other keys you can do it yourself..

beers :beer:

or www.mazdaparts.com ;)

My local Mazda parts department cut the key for me no charge. :)

Thank you for your responses. I ended up ordering the key from Rosenthal as my local parts department is trying to charge $20 to just cut the key and is still quite insistent that the key won't work anyway. Can i just have it cut at Home Depot or something?

Also, is there a special way to remove the key portion from the transmitter? It looks like I can just pry it apart, but I wanted check with you all before I made an attempt.

You can have it cut just about anywhere. Better to use a place that does a lot of key cutting.

If you flip the key out inside the chanel close to the key there is a little clip that needs to be pushed and then pull them apart easily.

I got a retractable key for my o4 a few weeks ago and managed the programing for key and remote with reasonable ease. This weekend I just realized that 2 of my remotes no longer works. I've read here that there is a limit to how many keys or remotes you can have. I had 2 keys plus valet key and 2 oem remotes plus 2 aftermarket remote with engine starter. With the fifth key programmed, I've now lost function of the 2 oem but still have the 2 aftermaket. Anyone know why and whether I was suppose to bring all the remotes into the sequence somehow when I did the programming? Thanks...

Yes when you program the new remotes you need to program all remotes that you want to use for the car.

Otherwise they will drop off of the list your car has.

I believe the shop manual said that the limit is 8 remotes that can be compatible with the car at one time.

Thanks 4yrs. I'm curious as to why the aftermarket remotes still works eventhough I did not use them at all in the sequence. I read the instruction over and over again and while it certainly mentioned bring in a 2nd or 3rd remote, it isn't so clear that you have to bring all of them in and exactly what you do with them. I assume that I'd simply press on them twice, check door and press on another twice etc. Will try it this weekend.
Thanks again!

Im having issues programing this remote the instructions do not mention:

"In order to program the remote you have to have one working remote for the car to enter the programming sequence the working remote needs to be pressed twice then the one that is being programmed."

For the key it does mention that you need to place two prior keys in order to get the third (or new key) to work. It doesnt mention this for the remote. My remote (the only one) just stopped working and the battery to the remote has been replaced. Do I need a prexisting remote inorder to reprogram the remote?

Yes you need a working remote in order to initiate the programming sequence.

If you added a battery to the prexisting remote it should still work for the car since it is in the database for the car.

well, i finally got it figured out and thought i'd share in case some of you have the same problem. i had one working remote, and got the switchblade key for xmas. i followed the instructions and couldn't program the fob to work. i took it to a nearby dealership, he couldn't do it either. he was really nice, kept trying, didn't charge me anything, but just said it wouldn't go into "program mode". i took it to my dealership - they charged me $59 plus tax, but whatever they did (i didn't get to watch them) worked.

so...if you're having trouble with your flip key, you just might have to bite the bullet and pay to get it programmed. thanks to everyone who helped and posted comments though!

What do you mean by "initiate the process"? (Sorry But im having all kinds of trouble with this) Nothing in the instructions directs you to say "with the original remote....."

The initiation for adding the remote to the car's database signals by locking and unlocking twice then a person presses a lock or unlock on the remotes that a person wants added.

The first remote to be pressed needs to be an already existing remote for the car.

To start all doors, trunk, and hood need to be closed.

I have a question about this... What if you don't have a remote at all and you only have a key... can you still program an 05 key with the remote? there are couple on ebay that are uncut and i wouldn't mind purchasing it if it can be done.

Thanks

I have a question about this... What if you don't have a remote at all and you only have a key... can you still program an 05 key with the remote? there are couple on ebay that are uncut and i wouldn't mind purchasing it if it can be done.

Thanks

i think you are going to be at the dealer for this.

i think you need two keys to do anything... ie add a third key or add a remote.

beers :beer:

That is correct Swoope a person needs at least two previously programmed keys and at least one remote that is functional.

If a person doesn't have these they will have to take it to the service department so they can use the WDS to program them to the car.

I also just receives my blank and had it cut at lowes, it seems like it didnt take and may have be minorly miscut. So I took it to Ace hardware and they tryed to fix it. I have tried the D.I.Y. steps many times but its not taking. When I put the new key in the lock light flashes fast. Anybody have any suggestions before I hunt down a new key blank. Last time I got it on ebay from someone in th UK.
Thanks

If it turns in the ignition then it is cut properly.

Did you do the first and second key that are already programmed to the car before initializing the new key?

Yeah did every step exactly as in each D.I.Y.. I don't know of it not working for anyone so I don't know whats wrong.

You could already have 8 keys attached to the system. Looking in the Shop manual it looks like it needs to be changed with the WDS at a Mazda service department.

If you take the route of taking it to the dealer make sure and bring all of your keys, well at least two of them that you will use.

If you got a new key blank it may have the same result if 8 keys are already attached to the Immobilizer system.

I can't see my car having 8 keys registered to it already. I bought it new off the lot back in early 04, and I know I havent added anything.

Then it could be the key is not in the frequency range that the ECU expects. :dunno:

www.mazdaparts.com sells the blanks that are made for U.S. cars.

04 fcc id kpu41805
ic 4238a-12078

05 fcc id kpu41788
ic 4238a-41788

hope that is what you are looking for.

beers

I also have problems programming that switchblade remote - just nothing happens...

My new fob also reads:

FCC ID kpu41788

but

IC 4238a-41525

Visteon No. 41525

Got it from REMOTEOUTLET http://stores.ebay.com/REMOTEOUTLET_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d999QQftidZ2 QQtZkm

Any thoughts? :scratchhe

US remotes do not work on European specification cars.

The immobiliser part though works OK.

Try buying one from a European ebay site.

I bought mine from UK and it was programmed with no problem.

I do not know if it is always the case but on my UK Spec remote the "i " button is black, not red as on the US spec remotes.

Big thanks Mazda Monkey, i programmed my new keyless key in 2 min. By the way i saved 70$, by programming it by my self.
So the programming instructions works for european version too!

I have 04 RX-8 and trying to buy 05 Switchblade from ebay that has

FCC ID: KPU41788
IC: 4328A-41525.

Will this work for my 04 RX-8?

My 04 Remote has

VISTEON MODEL 41848
FCC ID: KPU41805
IC:4238A-12076


THANK YOU !!!

Well I guess I will add my experience to everything. I also bought a remote from E-bay and decided to have it programmed to my 2004 RX-8. When I got my car all I had was 2 programmed KEYS, no remotes. I tried the procedure from the threads and could not for the life of me get my remote programmed. So I figured since I had no previous remotes programmed that I needed to take it to the dealership. When I got to the dealership they were more then happy to program my remote for me free of charge. The guy went out and did the exact same procedure with the new remote. Of course nothing happened and I told him that I thought you needed programmed remotes to add a new remote. He said no that the information was incorrect. He told me I had a bad remote. i thought he was just trying to get me to buy a new remote, so I asked him to do the same procedure with a brand new remote from their stock. I made sure all numbers matched my remote. He went and brought back a brand new remote and added it to my car with the same key 3 times and door switch 3 times trick and everything worked fine. So to summerize this all up, you DO NOT need to have previous programmed remotes to add new remotes. You DO have to have programmed keys to add new keys.

I am going to get a 2005 Switchkey from ebay and try to rpogram it for my 2004. I've only got 1 maaster key and 1 valetr key, but according to this thread that should be OK. I only have one remote, but also should be OK according to this thread.

However, I can't seem to find which is the order--do I attempt to program the key fisrt or the remote first? Does it make any difference?

I'm ordering 2 switchkeys tomorrow and hope to have this ALL fiigured out by the time they arrive. Any and all advice welcomed, even if it is restating things already said in this thread and similar others.

Thanks loads!

You should be just fine programming either the key first or the remote. They are technically separate entities. ;) Just hooked together at the hip.

I've had a few PM's in the last week about this thread and which key worked correctly.

Here's an image of the Correct ID's (Left) and Incorrect ID's (Right)

http://www.alcimedes.com/rx8/rx8_keyfob.jpg

The number on the right for mine is 41525 and it works fine.

FCC ID: KPU41788

IC 4238A-41525 Visteon No. 41525

(A little tough to see in the pic but my camera will not do close shots well. :( )

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4005/dscn2598tf3.jpg

Alcimedes was it the key or the remote that didn't work when you had the issue?

I bought a switchblade key and remote a few months ago on Ebay. I bought one advertised as the one on the left (by FCC # and IC #) in alcimedes' picture but received the "wrong one" one shown on the right. I was upset about that but it turned out the "wrong" one programmed just fine. I don't know what is caused the problems other people have had with theirs but it may not actually be related to the IC number. You may just need to have the matching FCC number (KPU41788). Maybe they just happened to receive bad modules.

Quick question.. would 06 MX-5 switchblade key work with 04 RX8??

Also, this key is already program to an 06 MX-5 and wondering if it will work for both cars... just wondering..

It is quite possible that it would work Herblenny.

well the blade profile would have to match (be compatible) between both cars and the odds of that are small. but you very likely could program the transponder code into the rx-8.

Hi there,
I ve tried to program the key and it was unsuccesful.

I ve used my 2 originals and then the new cutted key but the security icon blinks.

What am i doing wrong?

No idea. Try again. It worked for me, and if not bring it to the dealer. They still should not charge you.

JDM - has something to do with it?

hi takashi,
i ve just called them and they told me that the ECU is locked and they should first unlock it there and then follow this process.
they will charge me $70 for just programming, no cut no key.
but anyway they sell this key for $350 (ripoff) so for Cyprus standards, its still very cheap. I ve bought it for $60 shipped. lets see in 5 hours, i will keep you updated.

ok, i brought the remote and they programmed it succesfully but the KEY is still not working. They told me that the ve faced problems with US-Spec keys and J-Spec cars. They will charge me $115 for programming of remote + new key, cut and programming.

I can get it from japanparts for $80 but i will still have to pay them for programming $70 which is $150. I guess i ll have to pay them $115.

P.S. I ve seen them doing something with an OBD tool so i guess they did lie about unlocking ECU's immobilizer for key registration procedure.

japanparts.com they sell JDM stuff

ive just tried programming a new remote but with no luck. i followed all the steps, but as i hit the door switch (to get out of the 'programming mode') the doors lock and unlock twice and the remote doesnt work. Can anyone help me?

ok, i went to the dealer today to receive my new key and its working now

for all JDM owners: our ecu is locked and we are not allowed to program more keys unless they unlock the ecu from the dealer. i can program keys now but not the US-Spec keys. US-Spec remote works perfectly.

^^ really? wow...

So, If I get one directly from Mazda Japan (JDM of course) for my JDM 8, it will not work? oh no.....

All,

Just wanted to share this little jem of how I got a cool new key for my 04 RX for 20.00!!! I bought a USED remote with Key on Ebay from someone who had an extra, then I used a lockout key that was with my car when I bought it to MAKE a key that worked in the ignition.

Here are pictures:

I bought the remote and removed the pin holding the (not mine) key from the fob.

I then took the lockout key (key that works in a doorlock, but not in the ignition, cause there is no chip in it) I taped it to the (not my car) key and I drilled a hole in it for the pin I took out and I cut the end you normally hold on to to match the one I removed(not my car).

I then replaced the key (my lockout key) into the key fob (the cool flip one), put the pin back in, followed the instructions on programming the remote and the extra key that are EVERYWHERE on the forum and VIOLA!!!!!

for 20.00 and about an hour of my time from old key to new cool one, I have a new RX8 cool flip key. :)

More pics of the project.

There is a slight brass color at the base of the key where I did some cutting, but it is not noticable unless you stare at the thing and it was WAAAAAY cheaper than the hundreds of $$ people have been paying for this key.

Hope this helps some folks. I did all this with a table vice, some duct tape and a dremmel tool....

thanks Modesto for getting me into the switch blade upgrade and its working.

I have a question for all. On the switch blade which button is for the trunk release/open?
thanks

It is a button(w/ Trunk Pic) right beside to caution - Red Button

Just press and hold it for about 1-2 secs to open it.

To close, you gotta close the trunk manually - Hand

It is a button(w/ Trunk Pic) right beside to caution - Red Button

Just press and hold it for about 1-2 secs to open it.

To close, you gotta close the trunk manually - Hand



very strange ,Mine does not have the trunk button. it has a bigger panic button that takes up the space of the trunk button-comparing to the one posted 4 post up.
thanks for the reply

Hum............that's weird.

Hey, yours might be either Miata or SUV Remote.............

Double Check............Because all 8's remotes have a trunk button with picture.

I just learn that there are two different switch blade remote out there, 4 buttons and 3button. I can't take pic right now but both can be seen on ebay.

Was able to program my key and remote on the switchblade with only 2 other keys (no existing remote.)
Just wanted to chime in that you do not need to have an existing remote to program a new one (as that does not seem to be the general opinion in this thread.)

06 Shinka, smart key, ie credit card type
So how do I get a new smart key?
Smart key includes a regular key.
I go to ebay, buy a smart key and program it how?
The normal key, can I just have it cut at WalMart?
TIA

The smart keyless entry system needs to be programmed by the dealership's service department. ;)

And I wouldn't recommend getting the key cut at Walmart. They did a really bad job on mine.

It really depends who in Walmart cut your key.

Jeremy Clarkson's favourite saying, "how hard can it be?" :hahano:

At the Walmart I went to their key cutting machine was pretty much completely automated. The guy slid the key into a couple slots to figure out which setting to use, put the new and old keys all the way into 2 slots, clamped them down, lowered the safety shield and pressed the go button.
Seems like a monkey could do it. On the flip side, it's unlikely the best cutter in the world could do it well.

nice but my mazda place do it for free if you have 2 all ready existing keys. sorta fucked if you only have one. i would like to see you try to do one of those.

you have to take it to the dealer if you are trying to get a smart key(credit card) the physical key work because you have the card in the car, won't work without card being in car. You have to access the PATS function in the cars pcm. Even then you have to log into mazda to get the IN CODE to gain access. Better have your mazda dealer do it and supply the key too.

Got my key from transponderisland on ebay. It's the 525 version. Remote programming worked the first time, but you feel silly turning the key 3 times and pushing the door button 3 times...LOL. Getting the key cut was a different story. A couple key places refused to do it (didn't want to chance messing it up) and everybody tells you that it won't work unless the dealer programs it - yeah, yeah, I've been using the remote portion all morning. The dealer cut it for free, but the poor girl cut one part too narrow & couldn't fix it. After a couple retries, she came out next with a new key she cut and it worked.

Thanks for the DIY and the input from everybody!

Great diy I just got done coding my key i worked like a charm!!!

hey guys! thanks for the great DIY, took some time but i got it!

Not to beat any dead horses here, but I have what I believe to be a simple question. I bought my 04 8 used and it came with 0 fobs. I bought the OEM Visteon Model 41805 remote on ebay - mint condition. Based on what I am reading, I guess I can't program this remote because I do not have an existing remote already programmed....is this true? I tried and when in program mode, my remote won't lock/unlock squat. Am I going to get screwed at the dealer to re-program this thing?

i thought that was the case but some say you can program a remote even if non are programed, you only need two keys to add more keys.

so go try the technique and let us know.

i thought that was the case but some say you can program a remote even if non are programed, you only need two keys to add more keys.

so go try the technique and let us know.

I do not have the keyless entry where you program the key...just the fob. Keys are just standard fair.

Isn't keyless entry standard on all 8's? Hm, I just looked up that model, and it's just a plain fob. I don't know if it's compatible with 8's.
I got one of the key/remote combos off ebay like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-MAZDA-RX-8-CUT-FLIP-KEY-WITH-TRUNK-BUTTON_W0QQitemZ360000456592QQihZ023QQcategoryZ337 23QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
(I only mention that one because it's an ebay store and the link should be valid for a while.)
I was able to program both the key part and the remote part with only 2 original keys (one regular, one valet,) and no other remote.

i have 2 keys and 1 remote, tried to add another remote but it didnt work, i dont know why though

i have 2 keys and 1 remote, tried to add another remote but it didnt work, i dont know why though

All 8s do come with keyless entry if I am not mistaken, and I believe the older ones came with just a fob...like this one I bought http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-2004-2005-03-04-05-MAZDA-RX8-RX-8-KEYLESS-REMOTE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33723QQihZ005QQi temZ150189191468QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

When I try programming it in "program mode", I get no response from the remote to indicate it accepted the code. It is only when I close the door does it lock/unlock, indicating exiting "program mode"

I was also told my a Mazda tech that you do not require an existing remote to program another.....this is just too weird!

Yes, on US cars at least, you need 2 remotes to program a new remote. Or you can pay a dealer to program a new remote.

Have no idea if Visteon #41844 is comparable/compatible with Visteon #41850. My guess would be that the programming procedure would be the same, but whether functionallity is the same is a question I can't answer. Maybe someone else on the forum can answer that question.

I bought a US model, but when I picked it up from the shipping company, the battery was dead and they had to jump start it. I tried both remotes and they did not work. I have tried the procedure on this site and still nothing. I checked the batteries on the remotes and they are fine. The person I bought it off of said 100% at least one was working (don't think he tried the other one a dealer). I took it to Mazda and they did the same procedure as what is posted in this thread and nothing. They told me I can pay to check the remotes or buy a new one and pay more for them to program it.

I just bought a remote off of ebay for $25 instead of $190 from the dealer. But my question is basically I have no remotes working, will I be able to reprogram the new one? If not what the hell do I have to do since mazda did the same thing this thread says to do.

Not to beat any dead horses here, but I have what I believe to be a simple question. I bought my 04 8 used and it came with 0 fobs. I bought the OEM Visteon Model 41805 remote on ebay - mint condition. Based on what I am reading, I guess I can't program this remote because I do not have an existing remote already programmed....is this true? I tried and when in program mode, my remote won't lock/unlock squat. Am I going to get screwed at the dealer to re-program this thing?
I was in your exact situation last year. If you are still under the warranty, you'll pay $0. However, if you tell them the truth, you'll have to pay to get it programmed. Here is what i did:

I told them my remote just stopped working all of a suddden, and that I changed the battery thinking that may have been the problem, but it still doesn't work. They checked it out and programmed it. Quick, easy, and no charge. If you tell them that you bought the car without the fob, and then recently bought one...they'll make you pay.

I'm never one for being dishonest, however, its not like it costs the dealership anything to program my remote, besides taking 5 min. out of their day. I originally thought they would do it free of charge anyways, and call it good customer service. I guess I was wrong!

Good luck!

***UPDATE***

I bought my car from the states and when I got it both my remotes didn't work. Tried the reprogramming and nothing. Mazda Can. wanted $190 a remote. Thx to this forum/site, I purchased one off of Ebay for $25, went thru the programming sequence last night, first time it work with no problems :) :) Oh and you don't need a working remote just the key.

Thx for everyone's input and to this site!! Has saved me lots of money on many different aspects.

Happy Holidays to all!!

I read through all the replies and didn't see an answer to my problem. I have a '07 with two switchblade style keys. All of the sudden one of my fobs stopped working. My other one still did. I tried to reprogram the one that doesn't work but it never responds.

This is what I did. I do the ignition on off 3 times. I then press the door button three times. The door locks and unlocks like it should. I then press a button on my working remote twice and sure enough the door lock and unlock again. I then press a key twice on the none working one. The remote lights up, but the doors do nothing.

The weird thing though is at one point I got into a state where neither remote worked but then I started reprogramming with the nonworking key and it did work, but then the one that used to work won't any longer. It is almost like after my system knows about one remote I can't add the second remote.

Perhaps the procedures are different for a '07 or am I doing something wrong?

I know this is covered under warranty but I hate taking it to the dealer for something I might be able to handle myself.

Thanks.

This information can be used to add a new key and / or remote (including 2005 retractable key / remote to 2004 cars) to your vehicle.

Two things to keep in mind-

Key programming-

You MUST have at least two existing keys in order to add another new key. This will not work if you only have one good key, & want to add a new key. If you only have one good key(or have lost all keys) you will need to go to the dealer.

Remote programming-

IMPORTANT- When the instructions indicate you must press the door switch 3 times, they mean the door ajar switch located on the rear door, just below the front door catch.

Enjoy!
Great post thanks

This is what I was looking for. Does this work on 08 models?

Also anyone know of any after market remote start systems for 08 models, or who manufactures the transponders in the keys? Search Engines don't turn up anything for newer models. I have a up to date stand alone programmer, but don't know the maker of the chip.

Normally a installer uses a key that is already registered with the car cuts it so it is rendered unusable in the ignition. Then puts it in the transponder bypass box.

Yeah I've seen those inductor boxes you can buy.

The transponder chip maker lookup tables you see on sites list the older models of RX8 with the interface type, but no maker of the transponder. The glass or chip unit in the keys have no markings to identify them on most post 05 cars for security reasons I guess.

I'm hesitant to mess with the ECM on my 08 though cause there might be a security measure that disables stuff. If this technique works on a 08 I can get the blank keys cut, and program the key myself thus saving a lot of cash.

I do not see why it would not work.

Once it does make sure and cut the key so that it can not be used in the ignition if pulled out of the box. ;)

my alarm battery died on both of my alarm key chain so it stayed that way for about a month now i finally got a new battery and it wouldnt work so i was trying this re programming thing to see if that was the issue but it wouldnt work have anybody else experience this problem?.........please help me!!!:banghead:

bumpy di bump

If you do not have any that are already programmed to the car you may need to take it in to the dealership to have them add it to your ECU. :(

Hey all, At his point I have read through the entire thread front to back, shopped the stores, talked to the dealership. But i'm just going to throw my question out there see if I can't get an end all answer.

At this point I have 0 keys and one non working fob to my 08:banghead: . I know ive to get the car to the dealership reguardless to have the new keys programmed.

Here lies my question, if i am going for the flip key off of ebay what exactly FCC Id / Ic numbers do I need? So that I can have the dealer set them up?

Thanks

Hey all, At his point I have read through the entire thread front to back, shopped the stores, talked to the dealership. But i'm just going to throw my question out there see if I can't get an end all answer.

At this point I have 0 keys and one non working fob to my 08:banghead: . I know ive to get the car to the dealership reguardless to have the new keys programmed.

Here lies my question, if i am going for the flip key off of ebay what exactly FCC Id / Ic numbers do I need? So that I can have the dealer set them up?

Thanks

I believe that id KPU 41788 ic 4238A-41788 is the RX-8 key number. I've not seen those as uncut keys on eBay.
I got an id KPU41788 ic 4238A-41525 from eBay and it works fine. It looks identical with 4 buttons on the front. Some of the eBay keys have the same number listed but are 3 button keys (no trunk button). I don't know if they are really the same or mislabeled.

Thanks G-rex, I just bought one off of ebay, we'll see how it goes...

Yeah whatever you do don't get a three button unless you do not use your trunk. :lol:

Hey all, At his point I have read through the entire thread front to back, shopped the stores, talked to the dealership. But i'm just going to throw my question out there see if I can't get an end all answer.

At this point I have 0 keys and one non working fob to my 08:banghead: . I know ive to get the car to the dealership reguardless to have the new keys programmed.

Here lies my question, if i am going for the flip key off of ebay what exactly FCC Id / Ic numbers do I need? So that I can have the dealer set them up?

Thanks

You lost all your keys? :confused:

Hi All,

Any help would be appreciated! Here's my situation:

I have an 04 with two original 04 remotes. One of them (my wife's), stopped working a while ago (can't say how long because she doesn't know exactly), probably at least several months ago. My original 04 remote still works fine, so I assumed that her battery went dead and bought a replacement, which I installed in her remote. The remote didn't work after battery replacement, so I thought that it might have to be reprogrammed, and searched this forum for answers.

I followed the steps on how to reprogram the remote, but never got the door lock confirmation after pressing the remote button twice, so the remote is still not working.

My question is, could the remote just be dead, or could I be doing something wrong? I followed the steps exactly, several times, after rereading them but couldn't get the remote to work.

I've read through a lot of this thread and am a little confused about the requirements for programming a remote. A couple of questions I have (and I'll restate the first one above), are:

1. Could my remote be dead, even after battery replacement?
2. Is there any relation to the keys and the remote when trying to program only the remote?
3. Is there any relation to the working remote when trying to program the non-working remote, or should I be able to program the non-working remote without touching the working one?

Sorry if the answers to these questions seem obvious to others that are intimate with this thread, but I'm just lost right now. Appreciate your help in advance!

It could be your remote just dead, if thats the case, u have to let a dealer to program your keys.

WankelRX8 there is not a relationship between the keys and remotes they are considered seperate by the ECU.

You should program all remotes at the same time. Start with the good one and then go to the new or non-programmed one.


Remote Programming
• Ensure that all doors, trunk, and hood are closed,
• open the driver’s door
Carry out the operation below within 24 seconds:
• Insert key
• Turn ignition to the run position and off, 3 times
• Leave key in ignition
• Push door switch, 3 times (The door switch is the little rubber one on the jamb of the rear door next to your elbow when sitting in the driver’s seat, which controls the interior lights.)
• Car will lock, then unlock (If it does not: wait 40 seconds and try again)
• Push 'Lock' on first remote, 2 times,
• Push 'Lock' on second remote, 2 times,
• Push 'Lock' on third remote (new), 2 times,
• Now all 3 remotes are accepted by the car.
A person only needs one working remote to setup a second remote but you need to program all remotes you have (up to four) when adding a new remote. Otherwise the remotes not programmed can drop off of the car’s database.
Key Programming

1. Have the additional key (key 3) ready (cut) for registration.
2. Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the ON position (do not start).
3. Verify that the security light in the dash (looks like a little lock) illuminates for approximately 3 seconds and goes out.
4. Using key 1, turn the ignition switch to the LOCK position within 4 seconds after the security light goes out.
5. Remove key 1
6. Repeat steps 2-5 using key 2.
7. Repeat steps 2-5 using key 3.
8. If additional keys need to be registered, repeat Steps 1-7 in the same manner as key 3.

You should program all remotes at the same time. Start with the good one and then go to the new or non-programmed one.


I followed all the steps, using the good remote first, but the second one did not take. Since the battery is fresh, I have to assume the second remote is dead.

Thanks for the replies!

I followed all the steps, using the good remote first, but the second one did not take. Since the battery is fresh, I have to assume the second remote is dead.

Thanks for the replies!



I only had one working key and one non-working key fob. I did get the reprogramming to work but t didn't work in the beginning when i pressed the lock button. Try pressing the unlock button when reprogramming, it worked for me.

Hey guys!
I recently purchased a 2004 RX-8 GT. I love my car and have had no problems so far, but the guy I bought it from only had one key and one remote. My remote seemed to be getting weaker and weaker for a week or so and finally quit working yesterday. I bought a new battery and replaced the old one but now the remote doesn't work. I went through all of the steps to reprogram it (not sure if it should be necessary) with no luck. It seems that the remote might be toast because I can get the car to enter programming mode but I get no response when I push the buttons on the remote.

Here's my question:
I have seen the flip-out keys and would really like to get one for mine. Since I only have one key I know I'll have to go to the dealer to get it programmed (hopefully they won't rape me too hard on the price).

My remote says FCC ID KPU41805. Will this remote work for my car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-2006-2007-Mazda-6-RX8-MX5-Remote-key_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33723QQihZ024QQitem Z370058494357QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Any help would be appreciated, as I don't want to order it and not be able to get it programmed. These forums are awesome! I will probably be sitting here reading everything for the next week haha

Here's my question:
I have seen the flip-out keys and would really like to get one for mine. Since I only have one key I know I'll have to go to the dealer to get it programmed (hopefully they won't rape me too hard on the price).

My remote says FCC ID KPU41805. Will this remote work for my car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-2006-2007-Mazda-6-RX8-MX5-Remote-key_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33723QQihZ024QQitem Z370058494357QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


The alternative is to just buy a regular or valet key from the dealer (Around $50 I think. Maybe that was just the cost of the key though..) That's what I did, because I got my car with one key and no remote. It's always an alternative if the dealer refuses to program a key from elsewhere or charges an outrageous price. I had bad luck getting my key cut though, so you may want to just stick to the dealer.

I think that key will work. IIRC there are a couple models on Ebay, and it seems like everyone has had good luck with one model, then most everyone has had good luck with the other. I'd try and check in this thread though for that FCC ID. I'm pretty sure it's burried somewhere.

For clarification: when it says I need two working keys, it means JUST keys - not remotes, correct?

I had 2 keys and 2 remotes for my car. The keyless entry receiver died, and the dealer replaced it. I guess the receiver part comes with a remote, because they gave me a brand new remote. So, if you're following along, I now have 2 keys cut for the car and 3 remotes. Problem is, only the new remote that they gave me works (because the old ones are not coded for the new receiver, I assume). Is it possible to code the other two remotes myself, using the two keys I have?

That is a correct deduction WTWally. :)

You only need one fob to program another but two keys are needed to add another. ;)

I was able to program my fob and key with no fobs.. (but 2 keys.) So ya, if you've got one you'll be fine.

URGENT!!! MY KEY IS STUCK IN THE IGNITION!!! What happened? Does the car lock the nonprogrammed key at the end? I assume I did something wrong. I do want to drive my car today so any help will be greatly appreciated :)

need to know bump :)

push in and jiggle-twist

also jiggle the steering wheel, it can put pressure on the lock to make the key stick

cool. and if the key can turn to the on position but wont start? ac goes on and everything, i just cant get the key out. i will go try that :)

the blinking key symbol will tell you everything you need to know as to why it won't start.

do you have access to a copy of the html 'workshop' manual?
(the codes are probably also in the pdf shop manuals too...)

i got it out and the car starts with it now :) if i am in the car, what is the process step by step? also, what is the drivers side door thing that i have to press three times...?

on the suicide door near you elbow

i got it out and the car starts with it now :) if i am in the car, what is the process step by step? also, what is the drivers side door thing that i have to press three times...?

See post 204.

I'm trying to follow the steps to program the fob. I have followed the turn the key 3 times, followed by the door switch 3 times. This makes the doors lock and unlock.

The next step says Verify door actuators lock/unlock. Well they don't, and it says wait 40 secs and start again! How do I get past this?

Ok guys I would like to do this today but need something clarified. When I program the key, do I need to use the two '04 keys, the new '05 key and the valet key? I am not sure if it is necessary to program the valet key. If I don't use it, will it still work? Any help would be appreciated. I need to know so I can go program the new key. Thanks.

Does anyone know about the valet key? I really need an answer.

Ok guys I just did this and it works great. It was actually pretty simple. I bought the key from 4 years to supercharge in which he provided me the instructions. His were very easy with added tips and even edited so that none of the other keys were erased from the database. Thanks dude, eventhough I bought the key from you months ago.

:D: Your welcome RX8 Fanatic. Always glad to hear things went well. ;)

I must have missed the question that you posted. :(

It is always safe to program all the keys you have including the valet key. If for some reason there was another key added in between the valet and the ones you have and it did surpass the 8 that you can have on the car's ECU then the valet could drop off.

:D: Your welcome RX8 Fanatic. Always glad to hear things went well. ;)

I must have missed the question that you posted. :(

It is always safe to program all the keys you have including the valet key. If for some reason there was another key added in between the valet and the ones you have and it did surpass the 8 that you can have on the car's ECU then the valet could drop off.

So if I programmed all the keys except for the valet key, is it still possible to code them all again including the valet key. I want to make sure that if it did drop off the car's database, I can redo the procedure and add it back. I don't want to end up at the dealer and pay a lot of money to fix this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Yep, it doesn't hurt to reprogram to make sure it is not off the database.

If you try the valet key and it works then it did not drop off. ;)

Allright, I will try the valet key and if it doesn't work, I will try and redo the preocedure. Would the valet key become key 3 or key 4 for the procedure? Thanks.

I noticed some discussion in this thread at one point about the Visteon model #. i can tell you with certainty that the 41805 is NOT the same as the 41848. They have the same FCC ID, and both transmit on the same carrier freq (313.85), but they do not use the same modulation frequency. I confirmed this using a DRT spectrum analyzer and RF tuner. The 41805 transmits a tone that is one semitone higher than the 41848. I don't have perfect pitch, so unsure of the frequencies of the tones, but they are absolutely different.

I scanned the tread but didn't come across this.

I just got a new key fob and was needed to program the remote. The key works, but I just got the remote. I followed the steps of the 4th thing and the lock unlock buttons on the remote work, but not the trunk button? Is there something I need to do special to program that or did I just not actually program it correctly?

Check the trunk lock-out button in the glovebox, remote button won't work if it is locked out there.

i have to run to work no time to read the thread but help would be greatly appreciated

do i need to have 2 remotes to program them?

cause when i got my car i only got one remote and it doesnt work anymore
i got a new one form dealership but i cant program it i tried about a dozen times thanks

The key fob for my 04 RX8 just quit working the other day. None of the buttons work but I have the fob checked and it is putting out a signal. I tried the programming instructions at the beginning of this thread but after I press the door jam button 3 times the car runs through a lock unlock cycle but then the lock unlock button will not function. I ran through the steps 4 times 3 or the times was this issue and the other time the button was only partially functioning for example when I hit the unlock button it would act like it was going to lock but then it would immediately go back to unlock. If anyone has any ideas on this issue I would appreciate it. Thanks

The key fob for my 04 RX8 just quit working the other day. None of the buttons work but I have the fob checked and it is putting out a signal. I tried the programming instructions at the beginning of this thread but after I press the door jam button 3 times the car runs through a lock unlock cycle but then the lock unlock button will not function. I ran through the steps 4 times 3 or the times was this issue and the other time the button was only partially functioning for example when I hit the unlock button it would act like it was going to lock but then it would immediately go back to unlock. If anyone has any ideas on this issue I would appreciate it. Thanks

That is what it is supposed to do.

Are you starting with a remote that is working?

Make sure and shut the key off to make sure it saves the new settings otherwise it discards them. ;)

If you wait too long.

The fob is working to my knowledge. It has a new battery now and when I checked it, it was putting out signal. I tried to run through the cycle of adding the fob 3 times since its the only one but the steps on checking to see that the door lock and unlock button works never does so I am guessing that im not in the correct mode or its not letting me there. Unless the correct mode is the one where pressing lock kinda cycles and goes immediately back to lock is the correct mode because i didnt program past that point figuring that it was not correct again. Is that what the correct mode is supposed to be to program? Thank you for your response.

Oh and to clarify if you meant working as in functioning to lock and unlock the car the remote is no longer doing that.

I was able to program my 2004 RX-8 using the procedure on the first page. I have NO (ZERO) working remotes.

I tried this procedure about 15 times before I got it and read this entire thread (felt like an idiot).

1st recommendation is to complete the steps quickly - (Faster than 24 seconds). The steps I am referring to would be turning the key on and off 3 times and then pushing the door switch 3 times. When I did the steps a bit slower it never worked.

2nd - The car will automatically unlock and lock the car, this is not a manual function.

3rd - I also pressed the unlock button on my key chain (not sure if that made any difference, but that is what worked) two times after the car locked and unlocked by itself.

Those with a 2004 that are unable to program your remote without an existing remote, don't give up and go to the dealer. It can be done. Patience is the key.

Damn I really need some help.

I live in Sweden and I got a European RX8.
I bought a flip key from Ebay, the US flipkey with the numbers:

kpu41788
4238a-41525 visteonumber. 41525

My old remote has Visteon number 41844.

And when I programming and getting to the press lock twice on the remote, it wont respond. Norhing happents, but my other two responds.

What is the issue here?

Could be a difference between US and Euro models, not sure.

In other news (I posted this in the other key code thread because I though it was useful.)
I haven't heard of these available anywhere before, but I found a place selling the key part of the flip key/remote for $19 shipped:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16641
It's the key blade and the spring loaded flip part. Mine is in rough shape, (botched key cut, had to replace the blade by hand.)
Ebay also has just the key blades for $7. I think I may go the ebay route, as it's not that tough to push the retaining pin out.

Could be a difference between US and Euro models, not sure.

In other news (I posted this in the other key code thread because I though it was useful.)
I haven't heard of these available anywhere before, but I found a place selling the key part of the flip key/remote for $19 shipped:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16641
It's the key blade and the spring loaded flip part. Mine is in rough shape, (botched key cut, had to replace the blade by hand.)
Ebay also has just the key blades for $7. I think I may go the ebay route, as it's not that tough to push the retaining pin out.

I also realized that the remote looks different from the remote from EU.
In US you have a red panic botton, we dont, instead we have a black "larm off" botton.

But I really want to know, if I should go after the FCC ID number or the VISTEON number. Which of those must match with my current remote?

Hello everyone,

I just bought a used 04 RX-8 and got 2 regular keys and a valet key but no fobs. The dealership then sent me a retractable key/remote (as a good gesture i guess :) ). The key was precut and does not match the original keys at all. I was able to program the remote by following the instructions on the forum (a wonderful forum indeed).

I read a post on this thread saying just the keyblade on the retractable combo can be replaced. I went ahead and bought one on ebay(will take 7-10 days to get here. Its from Taiwan) last night. Is it true that it can really be replaced?

Also, on ebay, it says that particular key works for any mazda retractable key/remote. Will it really work for my 8?

Hello everyone,

I just bought a used 04 RX-8 and got 2 regular keys and a valet key but no fobs. The dealership then sent me a retractable key/remote (as a good gesture i guess :) ). The key was precut and does not match the original keys at all. I was able to program the remote by following the instructions on the forum (a wonderful forum indeed).

I read a post on this thread saying just the keyblade on the retractable combo can be replaced. I went ahead and bought one on ebay(will take 7-10 days to get here. Its from Taiwan) last night. Is it true that it can really be replaced?

Also, on ebay, it says that particular key works for any mazda retractable key/remote. Will it really work for my 8?

First of all, did you buy a US or EU Rx8? And what is the visteon number on your flip key?

The US Rx8. What is a visteon number? where can i find it?

Wonderful- life,

I just read your earlier post. If the visteon number is something that concerns the remote, I was able to program the remote fine.

The problem is with the metal part of the flip key. Do you know if that can be replaced?

What you need is a blank and, yes, they can be replaced. Using a small allen you remove the old key, insert the new blank, then go get it cut to match, ideally, another functioning key.

Wonderful- life,

I just read your earlier post. If the visteon number is something that concerns the remote, I was able to program the remote fine.

The problem is with the metal part of the flip key. Do you know if that can be replaced?

Yes thats because you have a US RX8 and I got a EU RX8 thats why mine didnt got programmed. You just need a new blank key. Just order it, and get it cut and replace the old key with ur new cut one.

Sorry for bringing an old thread back up but just wanna thank the ppl contributed to this thread! Bought my key/fob from ebay for my 04 Rx-8. Followed the instructions and worked like a charm! Awesome forum!!

Damn I really need some help.

I live in Sweden and I got a European RX8.
I bought a flip key from Ebay, the US flipkey with the numbers:

kpu41788
4238a-41525 visteonumber. 41525

My old remote has Visteon number 41844.

And when I programming and getting to the press lock twice on the remote, it wont respond. Norhing happents, but my other two responds.

What is the issue here?

You need to buy fobs with matching Visteon numbers on the back. Visteon may be a company that manufactures them.
the ebay auction I bought one from for $17 says you must get the matching visteon number in order to work. mine is 41848 but get what your original number was

And finally,after long wait,i am doin this post in a state of hapiness!

Why?Because we finally managed to program a retractable key and a remote for the European Rx8.And we managed to do that with much less money than the dealer asked me.
I 'll explain:I found a used retractable key - remote (key was already cut) from ebay.co.uk with UK specs [visteon 41787],a non-cut key from ebay or a Hong Kong site,
and i allready had two spare keys (one didn't open the compartment box,its caled vallet key i think) and no remote that was working
And we did it!Retractable key and remote are fully functional!No way to pay 320 EUR that the f@#$@ing dealership asked for a programmed remote...
But one thing: don't ask me how those two were programmed!!I don't know.A friend of mine that is Mazda technician did it and i don't know if he used the method found here

UPDATE:when we tried to program another one which was Mitsubishi or sth,it didn't work.So watch out and buy only Visteon remotes,at least for the Europeans