This is a serious Question.

I went and looked at the Altima SER yesterday and it is a serious car.

The looks are awesome. Also now with the 3.5 L 260hp engine.

This is the first one here in my City. So unlike the 4 rx8's I would have the first.

I am pretty sure since this Altima is the SER version it can be seriously tuned. Especially since it is the 3.5 L engine. Maybe hit it up with a Skyline Turbo setup. But I dont know if it could fit.

So basically all I am asking for is your opinion on the trade in.

I love the 8 and the Altima SER is insane looking.

Its a tough decision. I was probably gonna end up trading the rx8 in anyways. So maybe I should just get a new vehicle.

Anyways I look forward to your opinions and complaints on my decision.

You've got this in the multimedia section without pics... so I'll help out a bit :)

Personally, it looks like a regular Altima, which was never striking to begin with. I prefer a sports car that looks sporty.

Yes.

Personally, it looks like a regular Altima, which was never striking to begin with. I prefer a sports car that looks sporty.


Well I am also wanting a car I can depend on for years to come. With the RX8 I am always tempted to just floor it and speed like I am doing the right thing.

I believe with the Altima I could settle myself down and just play it safe and eventually get alot of use out of it.

Anyways in my point of view. The rx8 is a car I would speed in all the time and the Altima is something I can treat with alot of care.

If you need a slow car to go slower in, then maybe getting a sedan is the right move.

I think it's dumb to trade in the RX-8 so soon after getting it. It doesn't make any sense, especially when you're not moving up to a better car.

You should be taking better care of the RX-8 than a family car anyway.

Also, as you floor your RX-8, don't worry about "years to come", when that time comes, you can have your Renesis engine rebuilt and have it port and polished :) Something to look forward to.

Well I payed $33,000 cash for the RX8.

I just went on Nissan.com and designed my own Altima SER and came out to about $31,000 MSRP.

So I find it as a great deal. I am seriously starting to like it alot. Also another thing about the SER. The Auto version is a 5 speed instead of like the 4 Speed Auto 8.

Anyways. I am going to settle down and just see what happens within the next month or so.

If you were looking at 2004 RX-8's right now, you could get a 6MT with Grand Touring for less than $25,000. I find that a much better deal ;)

6MT Grand Touring for $25,000? What rebates are there to buy it for $4000 under invoice?

You should be able to get it for $3500 under invoice with the current incentives to get rid of the old stock. Another $500 if you have the college thing, and I'm not sure if there are any rev-it-up coupons left.

Even $28,000 for a 2005 sounds better than $29,000 on an Altima to me.

I went and looked at the Altima SER yesterday and it is a serious car.

yeah, it was seriously designed to be a family sedan, wheras the Rx-8 was designed to be a sports car.

The looks are awesome. Also now with the 3.5 L 260hp engine.

Awesome, I guess if your into the big bulky family sedan looking look and not the slick sports car look.

That 260 hp is well utilized in a FWD car I am sure, especially around curves when you apply that power and you just keep turning.

This is the first one here in my City. So unlike the 4 rx8's I would have the first.

As important as it is to be there first to own it in a given city, the only people who would have a clue are those astute enough to notice the subtle differences. In the Rx-8 many women notice ;), but hey, maybe chicks dig family haulers.

I love the 8 and the Altima SER is insane looking.

riiiiiight. What is insane looking about it. It is a four door, $30K family car...WILD!!!

Altima's are sick cars .... I think they have the same engine as the 350Z ? .. not sure though ... or was that the maxima ? , Anyways .. any nissan is nice , even the little sentra , if your sick of the rx-8 and ready for some torque. ... definitely trade it for the altima ... if not , go turbo with the 8

1.) The Altima has been available with the 3.5 for years.

2.) The Skyline has the RB26dett so you're not putting any current Skyline turbo setup in it.

3.) The SE-R is a better version than years past but overall it's still the same car that has been around for a few years now.

4.) It's faster than the RX-8 when it comes to straightline in many circumstances so don't think it will cure a speeding problem. The VQ engine is also a lot of fun to mash the gas on, very nice wide powerband and I sped worse in my Maxima than I do with my modded WRX.
Torque and a wide powerband makes it easier to speed IMO.

I got to ask what exactly is sick about the Altima?

I agree with Ike about the speeding thing.

Altima's are sick cars .... I think they have the same engine as the 350Z ? .. not sure though ... or was that the maxima ? , Anyways .. any nissan is nice , even the little sentra , if your sick of the rx-8 and ready for some torque. ... definitely trade it for the altima ... if not , go turbo with the 8If you're using torque as the selling point, why not get the 2005 Mustang V8 for $25,000? A lot more bang for the buck.

If you're using torque as the selling point, why not get the 2005 Mustang V8 for $25,000? A lot more bang for the buck.

You are crazy. There are tons of Mustangs in my town. There are already 2 of the 05's here.

Plus I would never sell myself to Ford inless it was for their GT ;)

If you're using torque as the selling point, why not get the 2005 Mustang V8 for $25,000? A lot more bang for the buck.basically breaks down to this ...
uniqueness / looks = rx-8

speed (torque and straight line acceleration) = almost any other sports car and 4 doors around our price range

but I am going turbo ... hopefully the people are right in shawn's thread for 250 WHP (correct me if I am wrong) ... that's enough for me to stay with this car

Well, I guess if all he is concerned about is getting to the next stoplight the quickest then the altima is one sick car for that!

Well, I guess if all he is concerned about is getting to the next stoplight the quickest then the altima is one sick car for that!\


lol ... if you havn't noticed , EVERYONE makes fun of the rx-8 for it's lack of torque and speed ... I remember a few times ago in import tuner they bashed the rx-8 in a comic saying it's good for nothing except canyon carving .. hopefully rx-8 owners can stop these comments and go turbo and prove that our cars can go fast ... Let's just put it this way .... my bro can run 14.1's-14.3's with his G35 .... our rx-8's have to drop the clutch around 7000 to get 14.5's ... the G35 just has to launch at 2000 rpm and it runs 14.1's-14.3's. ....

I'm pretty sure the altima has the same 3.5 l engine as the G35 too ...

but I am going turbo ... hopefully the people are right in shawn's thread for 250 WHP (correct me if I am wrong) ... that's enough for me to stay with this car

Of course you would stay with the SER.

But, the SER would be stock and already has the power.

Also as to my way of driving. The Altima is FWD. The 8 is RWD.
Seeing as I am a huge drifting fan... The FWD system would get rid of my drifting days and salvage tires for me.

I am seriously trying to keep my driving to a safe level. Because if I dont, my g-parents will sell the 8 and I will be stuck driving the 99' Silverado. Which is not what I really want to be doing.

So anyways the SER seems like a car that would not be a serious attention grabber to many. But once in awhile when you have that urge you can satisfy yourself. Which I seriously hope I wont be doing.

Oh ya forgot about that .. the altima is FWD ... disadvantage for dragging and almost any type of racing... nevermind what I said .. 8 all the way ... forgot about the FWD ... sorry about that lol


edit : Hmmmz actually ... there is one advantage of the altima .... don't have to switch to snow tires when it snows .... huge hassle ...


edit again: crap you live in texas! , go rx-8 ! lol


hmmmz ... I still think you would drive like you did with the 8 no matter what car you have ... I do it in my mom's coke van when I am bored. ......

I'm pretty sure the altima has the same 3.5 l engine as the G35 too ...

Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. I seriously did not realize that.

I was looking at G35's before I purchased the 8. So we found another reason why the Altima SER is another attention grabber to me. I dont like really small cars or really big cars. But this Altima seems just right to fit my attitude that I am aiming torwards.

Oh yeah. The G35 6 speed can have a GReddy Turbo set up on it. So if I get the 6 Speed Altima I could do some serious tuning to it if I decided to years to come. But I doubt I would get the 6 speed. Probably just settle with the 5 Speed Auto and leave it at that.

Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. I seriously did not realize that.

I was looking at G35's before I purchased the 8. So we found another reason why the Altima SER is another attention grabber to me. I dont like really small cars or really big cars. But this Altima seems just right to fit my attitude that I am aiming torwards.

Oh yeah. The G35 6 speed can have a GReddy Turbo set up on it. So if I get the 6 Speed Altima I could do some serious tuning to it if I decided to years to come. But I doubt I would get the 6 speed. Probably just settle with the 5 Speed Auto and leave it at that.

Starting to get confused ... sorry for all the edits , but hmmz the altima is not a bad car at all .. 3.5 litter same as G35 ... definitely can do alot of modding , I think you would be happy with it in the long run, sorry to ask this , but what is your age ? If your close to the age of having kids .. defintiely get the altima ... I had to put a kid in my back seat once and a baby chair .. it sucked ....

hmmmz ... I still think you would drive like you did with the 8 no matter what car you have ... I do it in my mom's coke van when I am bored. ......

LOL you drive crazy in a Van?

Which brings me to this last Saturday. My friend had his 04' Sentra SE-R Spec V over here. I had recently purchased a $150 Dynomax muffler for him. I got a real good deal on it too. Bought the thing for $20. So we had it installed and my other friends mom came to pick him up. She was like what the hell are you doing with that thing on that car! Unexpectedly she revved her "VAN" up and took off! I was like HOLY SHIT his mom is crazy! So this all turned out to be a street race in my freaking neighborhood.

So you never know about your friends moms.

Starting to get confused ... sorry for all the edits , but hmmz the altima is not a bad car at all .. 3.5 litter same as G35 ... definitely can do alot of modding , I think you would be happy with it in the long run, sorry to ask this , but what is your age ? If your close to the age of having kids .. defintiely get the altima ... I had to put a kid in my back seat once and a baby chair .. it sucked ....


I am 16 since May 4, 2004. So yeah I might seem retarded for wanting the Altima but call me crazy. Its a definite want in my wishlist!

lmao , funny stuff ....

vans are crazy to play around with ... their suspensions are so loose that its so easy to spin the tail of the car out ....

you take the altima for a test drive yet ? It should feel alot different than your car ... the altimas got alot more torque .... drove my brother's G35 and man ... different ... the clutch pedal has a shorter distance too ... catches on alot more quicker ... overall the feel of the car feels a step higher than the 8. The interior is a different story .... feels more family car-ish while the 8 feels like a refined sports car

lol ... if you havn't noticed , EVERYONE makes fun of the rx-8 for it's lack of torque and speed ... I remember a few times ago in import tuner they bashed the rx-8 in a comic saying it's good for nothing except canyon carving .. hopefully rx-8 owners can stop these comments and go turbo and prove that our cars can go fast ... I've never understood that. This car is much quicker than a Miata, but I don't hear people complaining about it's speed. The RX-8 isn't a slow car, it just isn't a drag car, but people seem unable to comprehend the difference.

Stop light racing is for idiots who want a future in prison after they wreck and kill an innocent family.

I've never understood that. This car is much quicker than a Miata, but I don't hear people complaining about it's speed. The RX-8 isn't a slow car, it just isn't a drag car, but people seem unable to comprehend the difference.

Stop light racing is for idiots who want a future in prison after they wreck and kill an innocent family.I never stop light race dude ... I goto the blank.... it's pretty bad when you get beat by a pontiac fierro ....

I never stop light race dude ... I goto the track.... it's pretty bad when you get beat by a pontiac fierro ....That is the understood nature of a sedan with more torque. He's not going to be autocrossing with it.

Look at what impresed him about the car:I went and looked at the Altima SER yesterday and it is a serious car.

The looks are awesome. Also now with the 3.5 L 260hp engine.

This is the first one here in my City. So unlike the 4 rx8's I would have the first.

I am pretty sure since this Altima is the SER version it can be seriously tuned. Especially since it is the 3.5 L engine. Maybe hit it up with a Skyline Turbo setup. But I dont know if it could fit.

lmao , funny stuff ....

vans are crazy to play around with ... their suspensions are so loose that its so easy to spin the tail of the car out ....

you take the altima for a test drive yet ? It should feel alot different than your car ... the altimas got alot more torque .... drove my brother's G35 and man ... different ... the clutch pedal has a shorter distance too ... catches on alot more quicker ... overall the feel of the car feels a step higher than the 8. The interior is a different story .... feels more family car-ish while the 8 feels like a refined sports car

Well why dont you hook us up with a video of you in her van! Seems like it would be interesting to watch.

I havent test drove the Altima SER yet because they simply would not let me till they saw proof of ownership on my rx8. Only reason I was not driving the 8 is because I put it in the shop over the weekend to get a checkup on all the stuff. So tomorrow (monday) I plan on driving across the street to test drive it. Yup Mazda and Nissan and Honda/Volvo are directly across from each other. Talk about competition.

That is the understood nature of a sedan with more torque. He's not going to be autocrossing with it.
pontiac fierro is a 2 door 2 seater, anyways , true , most cars can't keep up with our cars during autocross

pontiac fierro is a 2 door 2 seater, anyways , true , most cars can't keep up with our cars during autocross

What the hell! You should have no probems with any cars that come into competition with a Mustang GT. I have beaten about 8 of them all the way up to 125mph. And I have the 4 Speed Auto 8!

So I have no clue as to what happened with that but it should not have happened.

Still, I don't see the logic in this. The Altima SE-R is front wheel drive and weights 300 lbs more than the RX-8.

What the hell! You should have no probems with any cars that come into competition with a Mustang GT. I have beaten about 8 of them all the way up to 125mph. And I have the 4 Speed Auto 8!

So I have no clue as to what happened with that but it should not have happened.


I thought you were leaving the forum? Do us all a favor and get another car (non Subaru) and be gone. I just feel sorry for the other forum that ends up with you, but I think you would fit in rather nicely with the ClubRSX boys.

I thought you were leaving the forum? Do us all a favor and get another car (non Subaru) and be gone. I just feel sorry for the other forum that ends up with you, but I think you would fit in rather nicely with the ClubRSX boys.


What exactly is your problem with me? I have done nothing to you.

I never like altima's I would rather go for the maxima they look soo nice but they're big compare to the 8.....

What exactly is your problem with me? I have done nothing to you.

You posted in the wrong section which gives me much hatred for you.

SIMPLEXEFFECT, go ahead and trade your 8 in for the altima SER, cuz I dont care. Someone will be happy when he/she gets to purchase your car...who is gonna be the lucky owner!

You posted in the wrong section which gives me much hatred for you.

Well I am sorry for it. I am 100% sure it was an accident.

I wish you weren't a liar!

Ike just wants his post count up otherwise he could make a point with one post.

Yeah, I never actually have content in my posts or makes points.

Yeah, I never actually have content in my posts or makes points.

I find it odd that I agree with him.

I dont care about my post count. All it determines is how active you are on the boards.

I find it odd that I agree with him.

To bad you're just some noob with less than 200 posts or your opinion would actually matter. :(

My opinion matters. Someone ask me something, quick.

for the love of god close this thread.

My opinion matters. Someone ask me something, quick.

Yes, you qualify.


Who is Terra and why is Bush so affraid of her?

Plus I would never sell myself to Ford

You already did!! Mazda is a Ford affiliate.

- Irish :cool:

To bad you're just some noob with less than 200 posts or your opinion would actually matter. :(

I see you qualify people by how many posts they have. Atleast we dont make a-hole posts like you do.

Yes, you qualify.


Who is Terra and why is Bush so affraid of her?No, it has to be on topic. So limit the questions to The Nissan Altima, a car which I have no knowledge of at all.

Oh yeah. The G35 6 speed can have a GReddy Turbo set up on it. So if I get the 6 Speed Altima I could do some serious tuning to it if I decided to years to come. But I doubt I would get the 6 speed. Probably just settle with the 5 Speed Auto and leave it at that.

So......you want to get this car so your driving habits improve....so....you want to modify it with a Turbo!!

Are'nt you the guy that wanted to drop a 6speed in his auto 8? Why would you make the same mistake twicw and but another auto?

- Irish :cool:

No, it has to be on topic. So limit the questions to The Nissan Altima, a car which I have no knowledge of at all.


Hrm... What kind of tires does the Altima come with? By the way, did you notice anyone else typing responses in this thread recently? Seems like it's just you and I in this thread.

I see you qualify people by how many posts they have. Atleast we dont make a-hole posts like you do.

Sweet!! Ike.....let the games begin. ;)

- Irish :cool:

So......you want to get this car so your driving habits improve....so....you want to modify it with a Turbo!!

Are'nt you the guy that wanted to drop a 6speed in his auto 8? Why would you make the same mistake twicw and but another auto?

- Irish :cool:


Must you bring up the past? I would simply add the turbo just for show. To know I can smoke any person that pulls up next to me in a 350z or some shit like that. Meaning I dont have to race them. Because I know I would win.

Hrm... What kind of tires does the Altima come with? By the way, did you notice anyone else yping responses in this thread recently? Seems like it's just you and I in this thread.uhhhhhh. I think they come with the same tires as the RX-8 - 225/45/18.

I'm starting to think I've been had and this was just a trolling post. Why would someone who owned an RX-8 want an Altima? :P

So......you want to get this car so your driving habits improve....so....you want to modify it with a Turbo!!

Are'nt you the guy that wanted to drop a 6speed in his auto 8? Why would you make the same mistake twicw and but another auto?

- Irish :cool:

OOOOOH that guy! I am not so offended by this proposed trade anymore. I was thinking who in their right mind would want to go from and 8 to an altima, but now I realize it is someone who wants to win street races, i.e straight lines cause his g-parents won't let him go to a track.

uhhhhhh. I think they come with the same tires as the RX-8 - 225/45/18.

I'm starting to think I've been had and this was just a trolling post. Why would someone who owned an RX-8 want an Altima? :P

Dude!!! The Altima is sick, you betta recognize foo!

I know someone who's drooling over a Sentra Spec-V. "The car looks bad ass"

Uh. Riiiight.

I dont think that evenI was as stupid and impulsive at 16

I thought you were leaving the forum? Do us all a favor and get another car (non Subaru) and be gone. I just feel sorry for the other forum that ends up with you, but I think you would fit in rather nicely with the ClubRSX boys.
Haha, my brother is a clubrsx boy, they're not that bad. Although I don't frequent that forum, so what's so bad about em?

Haha, my brother is a clubrsx boy, they're not that bad. Although I don't frequent that forum, so what's so bad about em?


They're pretty funny, I get a good chuckle out of a lot of RSX owners on that site. Lets see... Vtec is the greatest thing to ever be added to a car, 3rd gear in an RSX allow you to pull on just about anything besides a top fuel dragster, if the other car has AWD or a Turbo it's cheating, and their interiors are a work of art. It's not nearly as bad as it was a couple years ago, but still a lot of diehard fanbois on that site. Fanbois of any car just bug the hell out of me, but it seems there are a few cars out there that really seems to attract the fanboi mentality.

This is a serious Question.

I went and looked at the Altima SER yesterday and it is a serious car.

The looks are awesome. Also now with the 3.5 L 260hp engine.

This is the first one here in my City. So unlike the 4 rx8's I would have the first.

I am pretty sure since this Altima is the SER version it can be seriously tuned. Especially since it is the 3.5 L engine. Maybe hit it up with a Skyline Turbo setup. But I dont know if it could fit.

So basically all I am asking for is your opinion on the trade in.

I love the 8 and the Altima SER is insane looking.

Its a tough decision. I was probably gonna end up trading the rx8 in anyways. So maybe I should just get a new vehicle.

Anyways I look forward to your opinions and complaints on my decision.
I test drove a SE R about 1 month ago and absolutely loved it. I own a ''02''Altima 3.5 and the power is great for me. People that say ''if you want a family car than sure'' forget what they say. Its not meant to be a sports car. My car is very good on power. It is faster than the 8 and MOST of the cars on the road today. But it is no match for the 8 in the twisties. The SE R was alot of fun to drive. If you like eating up ricers than get the SE R. If you like sport car style and handeling than stay with the 8. The 8 will have it's respective power soon. So do you want just good power and speed or handeling and sweet looks. As much as I like my car and it's hp and wide powerband I will be getting the 8 and not the SE R. The SE R isn't a car with loads of power as a viper or a ferrari but it is good for the money. Stay with the 8 and wait for turbo :D

The funny part is the 'now' with 3.5l. Nissan uses the same motor and platform in 8 different cars I can think of.

I think you should get one. No really, go today.

Let us overlook the parts of a car that define a sports car and just buy into the cheap hp war because power is everything.

Sure, go join altimas.net and see how many people will have it. if you want a boat with some power, the SER is the way to go....

Police, you sure youre not thinkin Sentra SER? i didnt know the altima was out yet...


http://www.nissanclub.com/ALTIMA/2005SER/

yes jasonhamilton, it does have the same size tires as an rx8.

I agree with Ike. As I mentioned in another thread, I thought the Altima was outdated, which may not have been the right term. But I meant the model/body style has been out for a while. This new Se-R version is a few last stabs by Nissan at reviving this model which will be soon due for a makeover.

If you were thinking about a sedan, ever consider the Mazdaspeed 6? i'd love to trade in my Maxima for that bad boy! :D

Sure, go join altimas.net and see how many people will have it. if you want a boat with some power, the SER is the way to go....

Police, you sure youre not thinkin Sentra SER? i didnt know the altima was out yet...


http://www.nissanclub.com/ALTIMA/2005SER/

yes jasonhamilton, it does have the same size tires as an rx8.
No it was the Altima. It was a dealer car. They had 1 red one on the lot. I took mine in for a leather repair and the sales man saw me looking at it and offered me a test drive. I was under the impression that they only came in manual. The one I drove was a shiftable auto. It's the same set up as mine but with diff looking rims and some extra ammenities :D

how did it handle?

My Acura CL Type S had 260HP, and with FWD it would promptly either torque steer itself to death, or plow like crazy.

how did it handle?
It didn't have the oversteer like mine tends to have when you floor it. It's power is really nice. But as much as I like my Altima I would prefer the 8. It stills has a wide powerband. Not as sporty as the 8. It's handeling is good but not comparable to the 8. I would like to have the power of SE R in the 8. That would be nice. I can wait till'the 8 comes twin turbo or a turbo kit comes out for it. So the 8 hands down overall.

In spite of the rediculousness of the thread starter--I will try and comment on the Altima; the SER is nice--however it is redundant, you can get a G35 with more performance and RWD, also the Altima will still torque steer like an Altima, depreciate like any Altima, and not get a lot of looks like any Altima. The buyer base for this car will be narrow--and the Altima SE-R will not beat a 350Z, 0-60 time on this car will probably be about 5.7=5.8 with the 6speed. The Auto SE-R will still be a second behind--its a high 6 low 7 second car with Auto tranny. You are disillusioned kid, you must don't know how to drive a stick for you to complain about an auto RX8 then try and get into an Auto Altima. Get real

Keep the RX-8 you don't want a front wheel drive car. That much torque in a FF will give you torque steer, and it will get worse when you add more power.

BTW the turbo and supercharger kit for the Z and G35 are made for rear wheel drive engine layout so it will not fit in the Altima SER.

I have to say I would take the AT Altima over and AT RX-8, but honestly I wouldn't want either of em. Both are pretty flawed when it comes to what I want in a car.

Sounds like the SE-R is faster in line, but can the rx8 out handle it?

I am 16 since May 4, 2004.

Wow - great problem to have.....oh to be 16 again and trading a $33,000 I paid cash for in order to buy a $31,000 car....

Reminds me of the good old days....NOT!!!!

wow

iono i like the se-r but not enough to trade the looks of my 8

First you said you were pretty sure you could tune the hell out of the Altima including turbo then you said maybe the Altima would allow you to drive easier and not speed?? If you like the Altima better go get it. If you like the 8 better don't.

Why is this thread in the Photo Gallery section?

Let's compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. Some choose an Altima and others choose the RX8. Two TOTALLY different vehicles. Pick the car that fits your personality and what you are looking for in the car. FYI...I quoted my insurance for an Altima SE before I bought the RX8 (thinking the insurance would be too high), and the insurance was higher for the Altima. I also own a 2001 Altima, 2002 Town & Country & 2004 RX8. You know which has the highest insurance premium? The Altima, which is he oldest and cheapest car. Altima's have bad insurance ratings and I'm sure the SER won't help. Check into the insurance before you get zapped with a huge increase. My $.02

I won't even bother with a response! You shouldnt even have to ask that question!

If you were looking at 2004 RX-8's right now, you could get a 6MT with Grand Touring for less than $25,000. I find that a much better deal ;)
F**k I bought mine(6speed GT) on August,2003 for $38,000 when they were jacking the prices up.That's a really nice deal! :cool:

Must you bring up the past? I would simply add the turbo just for show. To know I can smoke any person that pulls up next to me in a 350z or some shit like that. Meaning I dont have to race them. Because I know I would win.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I still don't understand why this discussion is in the Photo Gallery section...

I still don't understand how this thread was found 2-4 months later. :confused:

Don't forget to add on the billet grille, a must have for true Nissan aficionados. Did anyone ever tell you you got good taste?

I still don't understand how this thread was found 2-4 months later. :confused:

Good point--and I haven't even read it :D

I don't think he comes here anymore. He got flame for saying he beat all these mustangs and vettes and people made fun of him. I haven't seen him lately