I could never swing, I would be too jealous.

Nice take on a Beatles classic!

I could never swing, I would be too jealous.

where is this coming from?

I asked him to let me do his GF.


where is this coming from?

Also how can people post naked pics of their wife/gf and ask for comments. I just don't get the thrill.

Also how can people post naked pics of their wife/gf and ask for comments. I just don't get the thrill.

Same exact reason they post pics of their car.

Also how can people post naked pics of their wife/gf
NAKED PICS?! WHERE?!?! :D :D

Also how can people post naked pics of their wife/gf and ask for comments. I just don't get the thrill.

Gosh, don't spoil it for those of us who do get a thrill... :D

NAKED PICS?! WHERE?!?! :D :D


God damn, nothing involving anything remotely close to sexual gets by meow. :still scared:

Ok same reason as cars pics but would you do it he asked to no one in particular?

Ok same reason as cars pics but would you do it he asked to no one in particular?

If my wife wanted to do it for fun for herself, perhaps. But I don't have a desire to do it.

And I get that if you have a hot wife, you might wanna show her off, same as a hot car. But hey, she is a person, not a thing, and somehow posting nudey pics of her would lessen our (my) sense of intimacy, romance... I dunno. It's not that she's MINE MINE MINE and I won't share, but still... well.. maybe it is ;)

Not that there's anything WRONG with posting nudey pics. Just that it changes things in a way I don't want changed. But to each their own.

Same with swinging: nothing wrong with it, but swinger marriages just ain't the same as monogamous marriages. Sticking with one partner ain't natural 'tis true, it's a struggle, but that mutual struggle gives marriage a certain power, a feeling that I like.

I have/had swinging friends who claim I'm simply a prude, and need to get over my sexual hangups like they have. But I've seen it all, and done it... well, everything I care to, lol. I just enjoy the challenge of monogamy and the fruits that struggle bears.

That and my being an ugly old fart leaving me no options anyway ;)

"i was alone i took a ride i didnt know what i would find therrre...... ooh"

There is a big difference is showing your RX compared to your wife or gf. Difference sensation to start with. no more explanation needed. A hot car is different from a hot woman or date. As far as swinging. That's not natural. The emotional tread mill would not be worth it. Its is far best to stay with one wife and focus on improving that relationship. Its not healthy emotionally and elsewise to seek other partners.

wow, i guess you still are very much in love with your wife. That's very admirable and respectful.

I'm wondering if some guys are just plain tired of their wife. They really don't care who plucks em, just as long as they get to have someone new too.

Nice take on a Beatles classic!

Yeah, great now I can't get the song out of my head (with Paul singing the "new" lyrics)... :(

No kidding...

Lol

How can you say that swinger marriages aren't the same as monogamous ones? Have you ever swung? Are ALL monogamous marriages perfectly blissful? Are all swinger marriages dysfunctional? If they are, can you prove it is because of the lifestyle?

Just because you know people or have heard talk doesn't mean anything really. No TWO marriages of any type are the same. And you only ever get to see one side as an outsider.

Love and sex are two different things. They can, and do operate seperately from eachother and they can and often do apply to more than one person. It is possible to love more than one person as it is possible to have sexual desire for more than one person.

It is up to each individual to determine what is right for them and if thier mate is compatible to them based on thier views. Often these things are overlooked or people think they can change the other person.

Anyway, it's like Burger King "Have it YOUR way!"

If my wife wanted to do it for fun for herself, perhaps. But I don't have a desire to do it.

And I get that if you have a hot wife, you might wanna show her off, same as a hot car. But hey, she is a person, not a thing, and somehow posting nudey pics of her would lessen our (my) sense of intimacy, romance... I dunno. It's not that she's MINE MINE MINE and I won't share, but still... well.. maybe it is ;)

Not that there's anything WRONG with posting nudey pics. Just that it changes things in a way I don't want changed. But to each their own.

Same with swinging: nothing wrong with it, but swinger marriages just ain't the same as monogamous marriages. Sticking with one partner ain't natural 'tis true, it's a struggle, but that mutual struggle gives marriage a certain power, a feeling that I like.

I have/had swinging friends who claim I'm simply a prude, and need to get over my sexual hangups like they have. But I've seen it all, and done it... well, everything I care to, lol. I just enjoy the challenge of monogamy and the fruits that struggle bears.

That and my being an ugly old fart leaving me no options anyway ;)

How can you say that swinger marriages aren't the same as monogamous ones? Have you ever swung? Are ALL monogamous marriages perfectly blissful? Are all swinger marriages dysfunctional? If they are, can you prove it is because of the lifestyle?

Just because you know people or have heard talk doesn't mean anything really. No TWO marriages of any type are the same. And you only ever get to see one side as an outsider.

Love and sex are two different things. They can, and do operate seperately from eachother and they can and often do apply to more than one person. It is possible to love more than one person as it is possible to have sexual desire for more than one person.

It is up to each individual to determine what is right for them and if thier mate is compatible to them based on thier views. Often these things are overlooked or people think they can change the other person.

Anyway, it's like Burger King "Have it YOUR way!"

c'mon guy... dont tell me that swing marriages are the same as monogamous ones... yeah, every marriage is different and in as much as they are different they all have "similar" challenges, issues and obstacles..... but swining adds something very unique into the mix.

sure, love and sex are technically two different things.... the the reality of it is that many have a hard time making the distinction. As a result, sex can take you dangerously close to a very undesireable precarious situation....very very few can totally separate the two.... it may work once, twice or fifty times... but one day it can catch up with you. Sex with others just adds alot of risk that you may not notice until its too late.

Am I knocking swinging?...nope. I'm sure it works for some and if so... great. I just think that you over simplified it.... If you are gonna take part in something you gotta know all the risks and contigencies.... fooling yourself helps nobody

I didn't say they were the same at all. What I was saying is that he was making very broad statements without any way to even know what goes on, on the other side of the fence.

Jelousy can happen without sex and often does. It will happen regardless. Yes, there may be that occasion where someone falls in love with someone else. Etc. Typically people who are into swinging communicate more than most and are more in touch with thier own feelings instead of hiding them behind a wall of monogomy. They are therefore more equipped to work things out. Not everyone is like this of course. But more often than not, I find it to be true.

Of course I simplified things, I didn't tackle this topic in depth in that post. Nor did I say that everyone should swing, as your post seems to suggest! I never even said that _I_ would do it! :D

I didn't say they were the same at all. What I was saying is that he was making very broad statements without any way to even know what goes on, on the other side of the fence.

Noted

Jelousy can happen without sex and often does. It will happen regardless. Yes, there may be that occasion where someone falls in love with someone else. Etc. Typically people who are into swinging communicate more than most and are more in touch with thier own feelings instead of hiding them behind a wall of monogomy. They are therefore more equipped to work things out. Not everyone is like this of course. But more often than not, I find it to be true.

They may communicate more but that doesn't alleviate risk at all.
and just because they can communicate better about their sexual desires, doesn't mean they can communicate better with a lot of other pressing issues associated with marriage. Not making any implications here... just displaying logic


Nor did I say that everyone should swing, as your post seems to suggest! I never even said that _I_ would do it! :D

Wasn't suggesting that at all

How can you say that swinger marriages aren't the same as monogamous ones? Have you ever swung? Are ALL monogamous marriages perfectly blissful? Are all swinger marriages dysfunctional? If they are, can you prove it is because of the lifestyle?

I didn't say swinger relationships were better or worse than monagamous ones, but rather that they're simply very different in character. Both have their pros and cons, both teach their own set of lessons.

I do, however, personally believe that the intent of monogamy is required for the *practice* of marriage, and also to earn the legal recognition of marriage with all the financial benefits that brings. A couple may learn to distinguish between love and sex, and have the most psychologically evolved reationship on the planet; but without monagamy, it's not marriage - it's Something Else.

A couple may learn to distinguish between love and sex, and have the most psychologically evolved reationship on the planet; but without monagamy, it's not marriage - it's Something Else.

If you choose to be a believer of Old Testament scripture, marriage existed, was practiced, and accepted with multiple wifes, and concubines. But that was then.

Please do not take my next comments as an endorsement for swinging. Most certainly this is a decision all parties must be in agreement with, as to what level they are comfortable with.

We know of a business friend who invited a woman into their sexual part of their marriage. This was mutually agreed upon by all three individuals. Over the course of time, the husband acquired strong enough feelings for the woman, that he divorced his wife of 20+ years. The woman has been living with him for 2 years since the divorce.

We cannot live without fire, but be careful how you handle it :(