The Turkish government is passing a law to make adultery a criminal offence. Many Europeans are opposing Turkey's entry into the EU and using this law as an excuse for rejecting Turkey.
Is it such a big deal that adultery be punishable by law, seeing that you get married before the law?

What goes on at the Dragon stays at the Dragon. :D :D

Just glad I don't live in Turkey.... ;) ;) ;)

When I opened up this thread I thought it was going to be a poll.

A poll would be a great idea.

When I opened up this thread I thought it was going to be a poll.
there woulda been a little poll dude thingy on the outside of the thread..and/or it would have been in the polls section... :D

there woulda been a little poll dude thingy on the outside of the thread..and/or it would have been in the polls section... :D

Yeah, but the question is, are you for it, or against it.

Adulterers would be against; Adulterees would be for.
The former people would not participate in the poll.

Yeah, but the question is, are you for it, or against it.

Hmmmm....its not something i'd do, or like to be done to me....

Hmmmm....its not something i'd do, or like to be done to me....What? Being punished for adultery?

being cheated on is painful, its a tough situation, i would definitely wish pain on the other guy, not so sure about the girlfriend/wife.

What? Being punished for adultery?
no...cheating..

no...cheating..

i cheated on myself w/morgan.

:D

Morgan is barely an adult. j/k

I believe Turkey's hegemonic acts will be as successful as the U.S. attempt at Prohibition :D :D

Since Turkey is Muslim, does anyone know what the punishment will be? Many Muslim states call for death by stoning. Even if the woman is raped, she is guilty of the crime.

So don't assume it's what you might consider adultery.

If Turkey is to integrate the EU, it would have to be a punishment acceptable to European norms.

Europe is so much more sexually 'open' than the US...nudity over there isn't so taboo as it is here, i really doubt this law will pass

Turkey is not as open-minded as the rest of Europe as far as sex is concerned.
They will pass the law unless pressurized by the the existing European members not to.

and so it will only effect Turkey, right?

Right.
But it would seem that the law would be a non-issue since European court rulings would supersede the country's local laws if the defendant appealed to the European court of Human Rights.

Since Turkey is Muslim, does anyone know what the punishment will be? Many Muslim states call for death by stoning. Even if the woman is raped, she is guilty of the crime.

So don't assume it's what you might consider adultery.

while turkey has a predominantly muslim population, they are still a republican parliamentary democracy....they dont practice barbaric sharia law is what im getting at. they aren't ruled by religion nor are they feeling any pressure by any islamist political party. the main barrier to turkey's entry into the EU is its economic situation, theres a couple of things that need fixing. but as far as modern muslim nations, turkey is on the top of the list. plus turkey is one of the emerging economies in the world, and a player in NATO (The US for a long time had nuclear missile bases in turkey for striking moscow and USSR). (im part turkish, thought id make a point).

It's true that Turkey's economic situation (and the potential migration problem) is the main barriers to it's entry in the EU. But the other EU members don't admit to it openly, as the whole point of the EU is to improve the economic situation of its members.

im against all adultry, from experience. i wrecked something good, and i vowed to never do anything like it again.

while turkey has a predominantly muslim population, they are still a republican parliamentary democracy....they dont practice barbaric sharia law is what im getting at. they aren't ruled by religion nor are they feeling any pressure by any islamist political party. the main barrier to turkey's entry into the EU is its economic situation, theres a couple of things that need fixing. but as far as modern muslim nations, turkey is on the top of the list. plus turkey is one of the emerging economies in the world, and a player in NATO (The US for a long time had nuclear missile bases in turkey for striking moscow and USSR). (im part turkish, thought id make a point).

I'm 100% Turkish so I'm glad to see more here. I lived there until 1981 (I was 5) when my family moved to the US. I'm married to an American, so I'm about as American as anyone else, at least upon first impressions. Aside from the funny souding name (to all those except Turks), I can be passed off as American.

Turkey's economy is a big concern. Aside from the large cities liek Istanbul, the rest of Turkey is very rural. This makes most people pretty poor by Western standards and that is what Europe doesn't want. They have made a lot of reforms there to improve the economy. The large inflation is trying to be controlled. The money has changed so that it isn't millions for 1 US$ anymore. I think Europe is mostly afraid of the large number of people that could come to their contries freely if Turkey was part of the EU. It would allow for the lower wage workers to come into their contries. I don't think any nation would like that. It's like having the US say, "Hey Mexico, send as many people here as you would like!" We wouldn't want that, but after a while, it would have an equilibrium and things would be ok. As far as the Muslim things go, Turkey has a secular government and is by far the most progressive Middle Eastern Nation in the area. I don't call myself from the Middle East. I lived in Istanbul, the European part, so I'm from Europe, not the Middle East. Just my preference. Are there a lot of religius people in Turkey that still practice Islam like they do in the countries like Iran, Syria, etc. Of course. There are many religious zealots here in the US too.

Oh yeah, maybe if we outlawed adultery here in the US, there would be less of it. It's everywhere. Turkey isn't going to cut off any body part or beat you in public for it, so it's not going to be cruel punishment. Of course, the Adulterers aren't going to like the law, but if you're a faithful person, why the hell would it matter.

Speeders don't like the speed limit law. People who drink and drive don't like the DUI laws we have. Pot smokers don't like the fact that drugs are outlawed. Don't cheat on your husband/wife and you don't have to worry about the law. I think it's great. We should have it here too. :)

^ and that would be legislating morality. That isn't what the government is for.

The speed limit, DUI, etc. are established in order to protect the safety of others. Protecting your happiness isn't the government's job, nor is it guaranteed. The right to persue it? yes. Happiness itself? no.

Ummm. If I remember correctly, adultery is against the law in lots of states in the US. Try it in the military and you might be actually spending time in jail.

Wow a year old thread back from the dead!

Wow a year old thread back from the dead!

i started the trend a few years ago!

Wow a year old thread back from the dead!

I've REALLY gotta start checking the timestamp on posts before I get too much into a thread. I didn't even notice until you said that. :D lol


But, to respond anyways... I think the law's a great idea (depending on the punishment, of course). Can't think of many things that would irreparably destroy my life more than knowing my wife had cheated on me... But, would the punishment extend to both the spouse and the person they cheated with?

Seriously, anyone guilty of adultery should be forced to display a scarlet letter in their signature so that any online forum they visit, people will know who the playahs are. :D

I don't know how (yes I know this is an old thread) or what type of law I would make against adultery but there should be some type of punishment for it.

When people do these things they not only betray and destroy the heart of the other person, but often times there are kids involved and it ends up breaking up families also.

So, maybe the law should just be in regards to losing the kids (basically this happens already) and renouncing ownership of everything other than the shirt on your back and your personal car to get to work. Also, the partner that was cheated on should have the right to throw out the husband/wife that cheated on them.

As always...man blinded by the temporary, ignores the many grave consequences of his actions. Too many people live as if there are no consequences to their actions...personal or for those around them...and now a days it seems people just foolishly justify away the things they do. No one takes responsibility...admits fault and asks to be forgiven.

So, personally (I put myself in this also because no one is above it)...I have little pitty for people who hurt others...who then demand some sort of protection from the consequences.

AGAIN...I'm not saying put the guy/girl in jail, but there should be some type of punishment for the great hurt adultery causes those cheated on (including their kids). Remember, you just don't cheat on your wife/husband...you also betray your kids.

One thing is for sure...beyond governments and family, you will have someone else to answer to one day...

So, I say the law is good....but jail time should not be a part of it.

What goes on at the Dragon stays at the Dragon. :D :D


Hmmm. I have to stock up on sake!

I like the stoning law. Though being raped shouldnt fall under adultery.

More important, there is a whole lot of nasty stuff going on behind the scenes...


Holy carp! Where'd ya dig up that old quote from??

I'm innocent, I tell you!! :D

Though being raped shouldnt fall under adultery.

AMEN, gosh...how could they even start to think that RAPE = adultery??? I tell you...talk about being SKEWED mentally...

^ and that would be legislating morality. That isn't what the government is for.

The speed limit, DUI, etc. are established in order to protect the safety of others. Protecting your happiness isn't the government's job, nor is it guaranteed. The right to persue it? yes. Happiness itself? no.Damn, you and I agree on something!

There is no way adultery should be criminalized in a secular democratic society; but if you're living in a theocracy, then (by definition) any violation of a religious prohibition is also criminal in the eyes of the law.

In Turkey, which if I'm not mistaken has Islam as its primary religion but considers its government secular, adultery should be nothing more than a civil violation... similar to any other breach of contract-type complaint. In a secular society, a marriage is nothing more than a legally-binding civil contract; since most marriage ceremonies include some sort of mutual agreement to remain faithful to one's spouse (a verbal agreement albeit one that is witnessed by all in attendance), the wronged spouse should be able to sue the cheater for damages. Criminal prosecution, however, would not be warranted.

Look everyone...me and Aratinga can agree, the perfect world might just have a chance...lol :p :D

Where's that little high-five smilie?? High-five to wannahave! :D

This is funny...apparently we found common ground in "adultery"....lol, I won't tell if you don't....oh no, I"m part of the problem...lol ;) :p :D

J/K....pick up your jaw all those waiting to accuse...lol :p

Where's that little high-five smilie?? High-five to wannahave! :D


Hey, you know it is not adultrey if you are not married. It is cheating if you have a BF, but realy, that does not count....(hint hint ;) )

By the way, I can not stop thinking about that black dress and weather thoses stockings were thigh highs....is that wrong?

klegg...you aint right, lol

By the way, I can not stop thinking about that black dress and weather thoses stockings were thigh highs....is that wrong?Look a little more closely at the picture, right at the hemline of the dress on my left thigh, and you will find the answer to your question, Grasshopper. ;)

klegg...you aint right, lolAnd that's what we love about him! :p

Oh, I already knew the answer..... Lets say I have.....studied that photo.:D :D ;)

I would love to meet Ms. Klegg and the kleeglits...lol

I would love to meet Ms. Klegg and the kleeglits...lol


Hey! You had to bring them up! :mad: :D

Actually, they are the stable ones. :o

Hey! You had to bring them up!

Just think of me as your little angel...lol, not that you asked me...lol

and now back to reality. klegg cmon no more fantasies for you today. if you fantasize too much you might never come back. ;)

To quote bugs bunny

Somebodys rockin my dreamboat, someones invading my dream....

To quote bugs bunny

Somebodys rockin my dreamboat, someones invading my dream....

it's for the best. :D

Europe is so much more sexually 'open' than the US...nudity over there isn't so taboo as it is here, i really doubt this law will pass

Nudity and sexuality are two entirely different deals, as anyone who has been to a beach in Europe knows ...

Sorry to rain on the anti-adultery parade, but I don't think the government should be in anyone's bedroom or family affairs at all.

I think adultery sucks but so does paying 35% of your income to federal taxes and its still not nearly enough to fund the government costs. Sorry, guys, I can't support this, its just ridiculous for the government's role to grow if its too big to pay for already.

And let me ask a rhetorical question - adultery, homosexuality, all sorts of things like that have been illegal, punishable by death, etc., here and there over the centuries and yet people still do them. Its all a waste of time - no law, no institution, no church can stop people from doing immoral things. If the moral foundation isn't laid (whoops...no pun intended) early in life, people just do this stuff even if it means going to gas chamber. So why waste all that time. Look at the war on drugs - its nothing but billions of dollars being spent, it hasn't resulted in one iota of cessation.

Nudity and sexuality are two entirely different deals, as anyone who has been to a beach in Europe knows ...


Hey, in the blogg I said I eat you..you are not supposed to be posting. :eek: :eek: