Guys & Gals,
Just wait until you see what else Hymee has to share with all of us enthusiasts. During his visit to Alabama in the U.S., yesterday we hooked up as Hymee accepted my invitation to come over for a little cookout. It was a treat to have him over & see him again (we got together a year ago in Huntsville during his last visit).

I've thought about going into great detail here on what I think about this guy, but decided to keep it simple by saying, I like how Hymee thinks. Simply put, he is not driven by making money, but by making his RX-8 better suited for his driving style, and offering these to others of like mind.

I touched a prototype PC-based product that easily connects to your RX-8, and allows you to see & record a multitude of signals being fed to your PCM. I cannot remember all of them, but in either english or metric, you can view a needle dial with information such as O2, exhaust temperature, water temp, open loop vs. closed loop, MAF readings, voltage, etc, etc.

This product can be used at idle or mobile. I believe Hymee mentioned it would also be available in a Palm style operating system. The only reason I got to see this product was he wanted to make sure it would work as designed on North American spec RX-8's, which it did.

The recording feature is sweet. I believe it records information 6 times a second, but I could be off there. It may be more often. Hymee drove under varying gearing & throttle conditions while I watched the information screen. While this all was mind blowing, the readings from the O2 & MAF were the most intriging.

That's all I will say for now. I have already pre-ordered mine, as the price range he is talking about will make this affordable to everybody.

Oh, the neatest thing about this product? This is only the beginning. Just hang on, because Hymee has more surprises coming our way. Stay tuned....... ;)

what is the price on it, and is it a viable alternative to the canoscan?

Yeah- it sounds a lot like DHarrison's canscan tool/software... is Hymee writing an enhanced front-end for it?

I suppose this is my cue to start answering some questions!

Yeah- it sounds a lot like DHarrison's canscan tool/software...
what is the price on it, and is it a viable alternative to the canoscan?

It does plug into the ODBII diagnostic port under the dash of every RX-8, so it might sound sound a lot like it. But it is much more. The released version will have a full, professional interactive user interface with a guage style digital dashboard and logging. Here is a very preliminary sample:

http://www.hymee.com/rx8/he_diagnosticscanner/images/CanHEScanDials.png

Don't take too much notice of the layout and a few of the text lables overlapping. The dials might even take on an even sexier look. I thinking of skinning them to make them look like the RX-8 guages :) Also - the units are in metric as displayed, but we can offer the option of using US/imperial units if you really want to.

It is also capable of reading the VIN of your vehicle. But more - it can read the "Calibration ID" (CalID) of the current PCM "flash"

http://www.hymee.com/rx8/he_diagnosticscanner/images/CanHEScanInfo.png

You can probably tell (if you look hard enough) that this car has had the "M" flash.

The tool offers the user the ability to read DTC's, as well as clear them. I will let others here explain the benfeits of being able to do that.

is Hymee writing an enhanced front-end for it?

I assume you mean a front end for "CanScan"?? The answer is no. We are OEM'ing our own hardware, and writing our own software. The software is written by professional Software Engineers. It is written in .Net, and we plan on releasing a version on PocketPC.

I have been told by a mutual friend (not rxeightr) who owns a "CanScan" it does not have the ability to log AFR's to file. Our unit can log all operating parameters read to file for later analysis. We have some way cool plans in mind for this :D

During the initialization sequence, the unit queries the vehicle for all the available parameters that the vehicle supports. For example, the gauges above don't show the MAF (Mass Air Flow), but I demonstrated to rxeightr when we were driving along the real-time grams/second values available. He was pretty amazed to say the least.

We will release pricing details on my web site in due course. The current intention is to provide the basic scan tool software and required hardware for a very reasonable entry level price, and probably allow people to download the software from the web for free. That means it is easy to distribute free upgrades. We then have a range of more and more products planned that add various levels of value added functionality. The details of that include advanced analysis of operating conditions and other things - details to come with time. Also - start thinking of the possibility of getting the latest "flash" from Mazda and flashing your car yourself http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_nyuknyuk.gif And then, perhaps, the next logical step from there....... I'll let y'all ponder that one.

It will be all based around a common peice of hardware :D

I can't talk prices here, unless someone wants to sponsor my advertising budget :)

Currently looking at a Q4 delivery timeframe. A nice present to want for Christmas :) (Actually - a November release would be nice, but we are not sure if we will hit that date)

It will also potentially work on ANY CAN-bus based vehicle. I know it will work on the Mazda6 for instance (we have tried it). Initially, since we are '8 enthusiasts, that is where we will concentrate our efforts.

My development partner in this is "sco" from around here. We are both qualified software engineers. My only other qualifications is my "car enthusiast" hat, as well as my contributions around here :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS. I'll post a seperate thread talking about my all too short visit to rxeightr and his family, and the deliciious cookout served up for little old me :)

Hymee,
Looks good. Skin those gauges to match the RX-8 and it'll look really sweet. Course function over form outright should be what you're after.
I guess it makes sense to write it in .Net, though I would've gone java just to maintain platform independence (there might be some linux using 8 owners out there).
Good luck and I can't wait to see the price. This product looks really useful.

The software is written by professional Software Engineers. It is written in .Net

Could I respectfuly suggest that you do this in one of two ways...

1. Write it in an OS-agnostic manner where it could be easily ported to various *nix platforms (including OS X) for those of us who do not choose to support a certain vendor from Redmond.

OR

2. Develop it strictly in a Linux environment, and release it on a 'live CD' (e.g. a customised version of Knoppix: http://www.knoppix.net/ ) where people could pop the CD into their own PC and boot/run directly off of the CD - no installation necessary, no disturbing of their PC configuration, and you could make it pretty much a kiosk-like environment.

When I get an 8, with Nav, hopefully, I'll be adding my own computer to display through the Nav screen for entertainment, communications and vehicle telemetry (gpsDrive, for example <http://www.gpsdrive.de>). I'm keeping an eye out for the right deal on a G4 PowerBook with a damaged screen that I can cannibalise for the project. I would love to have this as real-time info integrated into my system.

Please consider alternatives to the monopoly.

Thanks,

I don't see any problem with the software running on windows.

As much as I'd prefer an OSX and Palm OS platform, it makes sense to do what you're doing. Go guys, go (and put me down for a pre-order)

Tim

im in

We hear you on Palm OS, OSX and Linux.

The reason why we're going with .NET is that both Hymee and I are experienced developers on Microsoft technology - that means it is "easy" for us to do the core coding, as we're comfortable with the technologies and this means it takes us less time to write the code, which means lower cost and/or more features than if we were using technology that we're less comfortable with.

Certainly for the first release, we'll be focused on Windows and Pocket PC. In the future we may support other platforms -- no promises though apart from the fact that we'll consider it.

Code / platform argument organisers will be banned! ;) This is about something useful to RX-8 owners.

I am more pragmatic about software development, than language or platform religious.

Cheers,
Hymee.

(Sorry - hurried post in DFW airport, boarding in 2 minutes. Bye!!)

Very cool... I'm excited about the possibility of a PocketPC version... I have an iPAQ sitting around doing nothing right now. While I already have a CanScan tool, I'll keep my eyes open for what you have to offer in a few months... keep up the good work.

Nice work Hymee! :D

I don't see any problem with the software running on windows.

neither do i, but it would cheese me off if i couldn't use such a wonderful product as this without buying a whole goddamned computer for the specific reason of screwing with my car... although i suppose the unscrupulous could pilfer an old VPC program had they the means to run it (i can't remember if you needed an extra card or somethign to do it... i haven't dicked with windows stuff for a very long time).

neither do i, but it would cheese me off if i couldn't use such a wonderful product as this without buying a whole goddamned computer for the specific reason of screwing with my car... although i suppose the unscrupulous could pilfer an old VPC program had they the means to run it (i can't remember if you needed an extra card or somethign to do it... i haven't dicked with windows stuff for a very long time).On the flip side, if it had to run on a linux boot cd, or on linux directly, that would make it inconvient for far more people.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for microsoft either, but my laptop and desktop at home run windows for web development. All my servers run Linux or BSD.

Hymee,
Looks good. Skin those gauges to match the RX-8 and it'll look really sweet. Course function over form outright should be what you're after.
I guess it makes sense to write it in .Net, though I would've gone java just to maintain platform independence (there might be some linux using 8 owners out there).
Good luck and I can't wait to see the price. This product looks really useful.

Java, J2ME and ANY flavor of Java SUCKS! I am not resisting starting a platform war. I had to deal with more stupid Java implementations and stupid platform critters in less than 6 months, than I had updates to do on Windows (I am not kidding) The way to go is either C++ or .Net to be safe. Avoid the Beans.

just for the record, the CANScan does log a/f ratio

This is too funny. I work for MS and I will not join an OS or Language war. :p

I would be concerned about a self booting solution because then it would essentially have to duplicate the file system (NTFS, FAT32, etc.) to do logging to file.

Hymee, I don't know if you want to release the hardware details (obviously not until you've released the critter)... With enough hardware info someone could write a platform independent version of the "guage" software you're doing. In fact they could do a whole lot more.

This is cool, I would prefer C++ because .Net can be such a memory pig. But that's mostly preference, I definitely understand that you can be a whole lot more productive in C#. I can't say "put me on the list" without knowing the price, but I would definitely consider something like this.

I *can* say that I would definitely be interested in doing some of the software if given the chance. PM me if you need some dev resources or have technical issues that I might be able to help with.

-Dennis

Windows or Linux, bootable or not, I'm on a Mac, so it wouldn't help anyway. Though, if I were going to be doing it alot, I'd just buy an old PC laptop to leave in the car (cause this will probably need serial interface, which Mac hasn't had from the factory in ages).

Good point arises from your comment, robertdot.

Hymee/sco -- is the hardware going to have old style serial plug or USB?

At least if it is USB, it *may* allow Mac users to run under VirtualPC :p

If they are running it from the CAN/OBDII interface, I'd bet serial. If not, they'll have to have a box in the middle to turn the serial signals into USB signals.

just for the record, the CANScan does log a/f ratio

I was just going by what a purchaser of that product told me. I think I also alluded to that, rather than being definate.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Windows or Linux, bootable or not, I'm on a Mac, so it wouldn't help anyway. Though, if I were going to be doing it alot, I'd just buy an old PC laptop to leave in the car (cause this will probably need serial interface, which Mac hasn't had from the factory in ages).

Or find somebody with an iPac laying around collecting dust. :p I think a CE based appliance would be very handy for this application.

Wow, I hadn't realized modern Macs don't have a serial port any more - makes sense I guess. I haven't had anything but a Kernel debugger connected to my serial port in years.

What interface would be used to connect this device to a Pocket PC?

A PPC has a serial interface. You just need the correct cable. I have a "Belkin" brand one, courtesy of sco.

As for USB only laptops, we have covered this as this problem has already reared it ugly head. The hardware we use outputs to "normal" serial (aka COM port style). the expensive option is to get a PCMCIA (PC-Card) serial adaptor. The really cheap option is to get a USB-Serial adaptor.

The problem with the "really cheap" ($30 AUD) option is that I tested such a bargain basement product, and they are unreliable. Wildcard uses such an option based on my "certification" process.

So for the "best" option: I am happy to recommend a HymeeApproved USB-Serial interface that stands up to it, and has proven completely compatible. I'll advise exact details etc. when appropriate. I won't sell them, I'll let y'all get them from your "local". It was only marginally more expensive at $42 AUD, so good value.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Great, send me one so i can proto it.

no, send me one, i'll test it even better

What DTC codes will I need to clear myself? Maybe how many times I hit the rev limiter... :rolleyes:

actually since i am not in the computer field and have no training and dont have any idea which language, platform etc is preferred i would be more helpful in testing. i wouldn't have any mental "hangups" to using the product and could give it the "average joe" test for user freindless etc:) just pm me when you are ready to ship me one for testing Hymee;)

p.s. i could also probably do a story on it for RXTuner if that would sway you:) i have one under my belt already, am researching a 2nd and am seeking new story ideas:)

Zoom, you need to update your tag line to "super-moderator-tester-editor-driver"

Windows is the preferred here in Washington State :rolleyes:

there's not enough space up there for all of that :(

Just came upon this thread. I am interested in either version (windows or PPC) of this software.

I would prefer PPC, as I could hide a PPC somewhere in my car and use it to collect a data log to a flash card, for further analysis, later.

What is the connector you guys are using and for which PPC model is it suitable?

What is the connector you guys are using and for which PPC model is it suitable?

You are not the first to ask, but this is the first time I have had much of a chance to give a detailed answer.

Our diagnostic interface will present itself as a male DB9 connector. To connect to a laptop with a serial "COM" port, you need a "crossed" DB9-DB9 (female-female) cable. These are often called "data transfer" or "null modem" cables. I have an off-the shelf "Belkin" brand part of which I can supply the part number.

For a laptop without a serial port, you need a USB - Serial adaptor. I have tested a number of units. Not all work. I have found a unit supplied by an international company that I recommend as "Hymee Approved", and one of these is already out in the field. You need to same serial cable as mentioned above.

For a PocketPC / XDA, since our unit presents itself as a standard DB9 serial connector, you need an appropriate serial cable for the unit you have. These are very model specific. These units normally present as a female DB9 connector, ready to plug straight into the back of a PC's COM port. I need to check specifically, but I am tending to think that since the serial cable to the PPC is already "crossed", then the cable will be able to plug straight into the PPC. But I need to check. Otherwise a null-modem will need to be employed.

Due to the far range of options, we will not be supplying a serial cable to go between our interface and the computer. We will however publish recommended part numbers. What we will provide will include the interface unit, and the correct cable meeting to plug into the vehicles ODBII port.

I hope that adequatley answers your questions.

Cheers,
Hymee.

BTW - It also works on a Mazda 6. It should work on a Mazda 3 as well, and any other vehicle with a CAN-bus conforming to the ISO spec.

I just got a shop manual for my 8, and it has at the beginning of each subsystem a break down of trouble shooting procedures based on some diagnostic codes. Will these codes be readable with this device?

Also, I'm curious, is this mostly a software solution or are you putting together special hardware for connecting to the "ODBII diagnostic port"?

Thanks,
-Dennis

I just got a shop manual for my 8, and it has at the beginning of each subsystem a break down of trouble shooting procedures based on some diagnostic codes. Will these codes be readable with this device?

Also, I'm curious, is this mostly a software solution or are you putting together special hardware for connecting to the "ODBII diagnostic port"?

Thanks,
-Dennis

DTC can be read and cleared with this product.

This is a hardware and software solution. You need the hardware to communicate with the CAN bus onboard the car. Normal PCs / laptops / pocket PC's / Palms / etc. do not have a built-in CAN (ISO 15364) compliant interface.

So we will provide:


A cable with an ODBII connector at one end to plug into the car. The other end plugs into (2) below.
A small black box that has a connector for (1), and a std DB9 male connector to connect to the RS232 serial (COM) interface of the computer. This small black box has a bunch of circuitry & IC's to do the job of a CAN bus <-> Serial interface.
Software to do a whole bunch of things. The entry level software will provide:

Real time Digital Dashboard
Logging for detailed off-line analysis
Reading / Clearing Diagnostic Trouble Codes
Reading and displaying the VIN
Reading and displaying the current PCM calibration (i.e. flash) version.



The Digital Dashboard and logging will be able to display / log any of the ton of parameters that are logged by the on-board diagnostics.

Then we plan a range of more expensive software solutions to perform more tasks that are more related to re-flashing with factory calibrations, and ultimately provide a reprogramming / tuning tool. These additional solutions will all use the common piece of hardware that comes with the entry-level unit.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee,

My hat is off to you. This sounds like a smoken solution. I'm very interested in something like this. Especially if you grow it into something that can log the present M flash configuration and re-load it after trying other things. Keep up the good work.

Hymee, make sure you can monitor the trailing timing as well as the leading.

Hymee, make sure you can monitor the trailing timing as well as the leading.

It is a sad fact the of all the PID's exposed through the ODBII specification, there is no concept of leading/training spark, hence they are not currently available. It does only cover "Ignition Advance". To my horror, the spec does not specify knock retard either!!!

However, there is part of the ODBII specification that mentions "Manufacturer Specific PIDS". If we can get a spec of those from Mazda, then those other "hidden" things might be available.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Would it clear Dave's CEL he is getting?

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=554152&postcount=112

Would it clear Dave's CEL he is getting?

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=554152&postcount=112

It will clear the MIL. But it another matter entirely if the PCM detects a problem with something and throws it again, and again, and again. A bit like replacing a fuse a number of times - there is something wrong that needs to be investigated.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee,

After evaluating the current development software, I have a few questions.

Will it be possible to select a trigger channel and define a threshold value for this trigger, for the logger function?

Also, will the "PC" dashboard be user-definable?

I was surprised of the number of functiunalities already available on the development version of the software! Very promising!

Rasputin,

I dont know, but your writing style seems really like someone else who used to frequent this place. It might just be nothing. ;)

The current direction I am taking with the digital dashboard it to provide 6 gauges, and allow the user to drag-and-drop the available parameters from a list onto a gauge. Would that be cool enough?

Regards "Trigger function". Well I suppose just about anything is possible. We need to precisely understand the required functionality/workflow/outcome, and then we should be able to cater for it.

Thanks heaps for your positive feedback!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee take some pictures of some random stuff you threw on the workbench so that we may be amused! People love pictures.

actually since i am not in the computer field and have no training and dont have any idea which language, platform etc is preferred i would be more helpful in testing. i wouldn't have any mental "hangups" to using the product and could give it the "average joe" test for user freindless etc:) just pm me when you are ready to ship me one for testing Hymee;)

p.s. i could also probably do a story on it for RXTuner if that would sway you:) i have one under my belt already, am researching a 2nd and am seeking new story ideas:)

Yeah - I will take you up on that.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee take some pictures of some random stuff you threw on the workbench so that we may be amused! People love pictures.

Was the ones I posted not enough to get the juices flowing?

Cheers,
Hymee.

That was last month. This is a new month. Actually I was being sarcastic and hoping that you would literally just post pictures of a dirty workbench just for the fun of it. Like I said, people like pictures.

ROFL! Ok I get ya. Sorry - I must have been under the pump, and my usual humour cells were not active. ;)

So I guess a picture of me relaxing by the pool would not go down all that well?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hi Hymee, I'm from Singapore and is having a really BIG problem right now. My 8 died on me on 7th Sep. The CEL came on together with the DSC. At the same time, I am getting no response at all from my throttle. The RPMs r around 1800 during idling n doesnt changed even when i floored the accelerator. Mine's an auto, JDM specs and is a grey model as the official agent here in SIN does not bring in the auto. The ECU has been send back twice to Japan for upgrading and each time the problem cannot be solved. When an ECU from another 8 is put into my car, everything works fine again. I am really at wits end now as my car has been immobolise for 6 weeks already at the workshop. Please help me. BTW, there are no CAT tools here to scan the ECU at all and so I am writing to you to see what I should do. Many thanks in advance.

Does your software work with other CAN->RS232 boxes (like the CanScan from Harrison) or just yours?

The initial version will work with hardware supplied by Hymee. We're considering support for other devices such as the CanScan for a future release, but I can't make any promises for this. It may not be possible to supply all the functionality for other devices that we can for the Hymee hardware.

The initial version will work with hardware supplied by Hymee. We're considering support for other devices such as the CanScan for a future release, but I can't make any promises for this. It may not be possible to supply all the functionality for other devices that we can for the Hymee hardware.

Glad you guys are thinking about it... I'm not likely to buy another scan tool, but I'd be willing to buy your software to run with mine (CanScan), since I've been too lazy to program against it myself : ).

Hymee,

After evaluating the current development software, I have a few questions.

Will it be possible to select a trigger channel and define a threshold value for this trigger, for the logger function?

Also, will the "PC" dashboard be user-definable?

I was surprised of the number of functiunalities already available on the development version of the software! Very promising!
Triggering start and stop of logging will be in the initial release.

The gauge displays will be configurable e.g. to use a dial or a numeric readout.

Triggering start and stop of logging will be in the initial release.

The gauge displays will be configurable e.g. to use a dial or a numeric readout.
Thanks SCO for your reply.

So no trigger channel and threshold value (e.g. RPM and 4000) to start logging then?

By user-configurable, I meant that one could select which channels are displayed and how (size, colours, ...).

Thanks,

Fabrice

Glad you guys are thinking about it... I'm not likely to buy another scan tool, but I'd be willing to buy your software to run with mine (CanScan), since I've been too lazy to program against it myself : ).

Ditto - if you need some beta testing for running aganst the harrison canscan let me know :)

Cheers,
Simon

Thanks SCO for your reply.

So no trigger channel and threshold value (e.g. RPM and 4000) to start logging then?

By user-configurable, I meant that one could select which channels are displayed and how (size, colours, ...).

Thanks,

Fabrice
Incorrect... We are planning to have a user configurable trigger for start and stop for logging (e.g. start logging at 3000 RPM and the stop at 5000 RPM) in the intial release.

You'll be able to select what channels are displayed and how they are displayed... the amount of configurability of how it looks will depend on how fast the development progresses in the next couple of weeks. However, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised by the amount of configurability we already have.

Incorrect... We are planning to have a user configurable trigger for start and stop for logging (e.g. start logging at 3000 RPM and the stop at 5000 RPM) in the intial release.

You'll be able to select what channels are displayed and how they are displayed... the amount of configurability of how it looks will depend on how fast the development progresses in the next couple of weeks. However, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised by the amount of configurability we already have.
Great stuff SCO!

I tried my Hymee CAN OBD tool on a European Diesel Mazda 3 this morning and it managed to read a lot of engine related parameters. Interesting!

Where do we buy the Hymee CAN OBD stuff?

Where do we buy the Hymee CAN OBD stuff?

We haven't made an official release announcement as yet. We have a few units in the field, and are currently finishing the software implementation.

Cheers,
Hymee.

We haven't made an official release announcement as yet. We have a few units in the field, and are currently finishing the software implementation.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks :)

Me again - it's been only a week, but my drool factor (http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=606394&postcount=221) is getting bigger :)

I'm going to be adding the RX8Garage.net AV S-Video Box (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=44095) to my 8 soon, and one of my inputs will be a PC that will display on the NAV screen. With your Hymee Logging Software/Hardware, I should be able to display your screens on the NAV :D So, I'm curious as to how to become a Hymee Enhanced customer? Will you let us know when this package will be ready? Are you a forum vendor yet? Can you post some more screen shots of your latest version? I hear it is looking sweet. Thanks

Nemesis8 - we're right in the middle of sorting a heap of things out and once we've done that we'll post some news.

I'm going to be putting a LCD touchscreen in my car with a live feed from the on-board diagnostics and I may create a different version of the software to suit this scenario.

Thanks - OK I'll hold my drool till all is ready :)

We can tell you're level headed - you're drooling evenly out of both sides of your mouth ;)

Hi all - just a quick note to let you know we're still sorting a bunch of things out - as soon as we have news you'll be the first to know.

Hi all - just a quick note to let you know we're still sorting a bunch of things out - as soon as we have news you'll be the first to know.
Thanks for the update. We'll be waiting patiently, but still drooling. :D

This may make the "alternative OS" people happy:

http://www.mono-project.com

If you develop your GUI's using GTK# (a small plugin for microsoft.NET), your .NET software will be able to run on linux or PPC (provided the person using Linux or MacOS is the experianced 'nix user that they should be... yes, mac os is 'nix)

Hi All,

Another update. Things on the hardware side have taken a little longer than planned, but we hope to have the final version of our hardware for testing soon. The software side is coming along nicely... what do you think of our gauges?

Please note that we haven't finalised the functionality we'll ship in the initial version, so the final version may change from what you see at the moment.

Looks good so far, I particulary like the '255' speed. That would be MPH, right?

Im pretty sure that's in kilometers per hour. 255kmph is about 180 or so mph, I don't feel like getting a calculator lol.

Now that is sweet looking... The drool factor is coming back after a short hiatus. :)

Currently everything is metric. There will be an option to select imperial units. Also, you'll notice that the mins and maxs on most of the dials are pretty wide (except RPM)- these currently match the theoretical mins and maxs in the onboard diagnostic data - this will be adjusted to suit the RX-8

Currently everything is metric. There will be an option to select imperial units. Also, you'll notice that the mins and maxs on most of the dials are pretty wide (except RPM)- these currently match the theoretical mins and maxs in the onboard diagnostic data - this will be adjusted to suit the RX-8
Great job guys, keep up the good work :)

Currently everything is metric. There will be an option to select imperial units. Also, you'll notice that the mins and maxs on most of the dials are pretty wide (except RPM)- these currently match the theoretical mins and maxs in the onboard diagnostic data - this will be adjusted to suit the RX-8
I am dumb sco (, and I have said these in the Oz forum), I would like to have some unit shown on the dash.

I took me 2 seconds to figure out the fuel level is in percentage :p

You're not dumb... units on the dial are coming too.

I am still pondering using Thew's AV Box (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=44095), and running an output from my computer to the NAV screen to display the computer's screen there. My laptop would be running your setup, but I don't know how it would look on a small 7" NAV screen.

I was wondering if there will be a TEXT only screen for the readouts in case the gauges show up too small. Kind of like this... But as text of course. :)

It is like the setup of the GTR R34s...

Have a digit on the left hand side for LHD.
Have a bar on the right.

Cool

I think 6 dails will be too big for the 7" screen

A couple of options:
1. There will be text only readouts
2. You'll be able to set the number of gauges on screen - so you could do something like display 3 gauges in a row - this would make them bigger - like the attached picture.

I'm seriously thinking about doing a version optimised for in car use with a touch screen - if anyone's interested in this let me know so I can gauge interest. It's likely there would be a small upgrade fee for this version.

Cool - when in "Live" mode, will there be a Full Screen option, meaning all menu bars and scroll bars disappear? Kind of like F11 for Internet Explorer.

Full screen mode would probably be in the "in car optimised" version.. but features and price are currently under review at the moment (and there is a relationship between the two) so I can't commit either way on this at the moment.

If you need help/testing with linux/mono - I could help.

I feel like your avatar is getting to me... Must resist...

I feel like your avatar is getting to me... Must resist...

mine?

mine?

Yes - I just purchased the Star Wars Trilogy on DVD, and your avatar looks like the emperor... :eek:

Sco, from your question earlier, I am interested in a "Hymee Enhanced, In-Car Optimised" product software. Add my vote to the box.

I was also wondering, since space is an issue, would it be difficult to implement bar gauges?

One feature I would be interested in using but understand if it isnt implemented, would be a wide array of customizing choices as far as data display implemented into the software.

I've heard a rumor that a one of our vendors is going to sell Hymee Enhanced products in the states...:):):):)

Thanks for the feedback Zaku-8. Bar gauges are definitely something I'll look into. I'm leaving working on the gauges until last.

The in-car optimised version would have a range of pretty gauges plus flexibility to configure how they look as well as the layout.

Oh - a bit of an update... a test version of our final hardware is currently enroute. Hopefully we will have it this week. If all goes well (i.e. the hardware works as expected) we'll be out to a limited beta test very soon, and if that goes well, the final product won't be far away.

So, Santa won't be bringing me my Hymee canscan package this year. Can you gestimate availibility to us? I'm thinking of buying a CANScan if it is going to be awhile... By the way, what are you guys going to call this thingamabob anyway?

call it CanScan 2.0, and everyone will want to upgrade.

Well, I for one hope it's not the Hymeescan...that has to many gynaecological implications.... :p

I'm going to go talk to rx8garage.net I heard they will be selling Hymee stuff soon...anyone talk to Thew about this yet?

nope

Guys, we'll have a good idea when we can ship once we've done some testing of the latest version of the hardware (which is still currently in transit). If testing goes well there is a good chance Santa could bring you one... but I can't promise anything until we have the hardware in our hot little hands. Hopefully the hardware will arrive early next week at the latest.

We're a bit stumped on a product name. I'm glad someone else doesn't like Hymeescan ;)

I was thinking "EpiScan" but Hymee doesn't like that one. Maybe we should run a competition for a product name?

We haven't finalised distribution. We want to keep the costs down and we're weighing up the options.

P.S. What do you think of the digital readouts? What do you notice about the readouts?

episcan sounds like a hair removal device.

is this product for just the rx8, or is it being marketed to any car with the proper connectors? That in of itself should help name it.

He he ... you liked that one as much as Hymee did.

"epi" was short for epitrochoid.

(I edited my last post to answer another question I missed and to post another screen dump).

yeah, was hoping to have a CAN scan tool in my hands this christmas as well. oh well, at least we know it'll have been tested thoroughly.

thanks for the hard work! much appreciated!

Guys, we'll have a good idea when we can ship once we've done some testing of the latest version of the hardware (which is still currently in transit). If testing goes well there is a good chance Santa could bring you one... but I can't promise anything until we have the hardware in our hot little hands. Hopefully the hardware will arrive early next week at the latest.

We're a bit stumped on a product name. I'm glad someone else doesn't like Hymeescan ;)

I was thinking "EpiScan" but Hymee doesn't like that one. Maybe we should run a competition for a product name?

We haven't finalised distribution. We want to keep the costs down and we're weighing up the options.

P.S. What do you think of the digital readouts? What do you notice about the readouts?
I'd say "RXcan" : mix of R-X-CAN & R-X-scan. (c):D Even if you don't like it, I still could use that name for Europe :eek:

The readouts look very digitanalogical! ;) You should work for Pixar!

P.S. What do you think of the digital readouts? What do you notice about the readouts?

Do I like it? :(

I LOVE IT :p

Re: Name

No - I don't like Hymeescan - like a vaginal ultrasound :p .
Hmm - Episcan is ok :p

Ehhh - RXcan is too "old style" and too obvious.

I will think of a name in 2 hours.

its been an hour or so- anything yet taka? ;)

Count.... that is 8 minutes only ;)

Well how about this... a name for 40 minutes :D

1) we need a word "scan" at the end.
2) The scan list section of the engine datas. (intake air temp, rev, etc.)
3) Have to have engine into it.
4) Engine is rotary so I guess there must be something to do with it.

The best I can come up with is Rotortome scan. (or the R-scan for short)

Since:

Rotor = rotary engine; and it starts with an R
Tome = sections / part of the prefix (like dermatome - sections/specific area of the skin, usually refer to nerve distribution)

or a Rotortome data scan (RD scan) :confused:

I like the first one better though - it is cleaner.

What do you guys think?

so im impatient:) god try for only a few minutes thought.

how about H.E.Scan? stands for Hymee Enhanced

or dont use a word use numbers like HE-9000. add a voice to it that talks to you "what are you doing zoom?" ;)

"HE-9000... it is revolution scan that you can use in your backyard, racetrack, ... even in your office. But wait there is more... how about we throw in the hardware cable... Ab..so-lute-ly free!... for $199.95 you can snatch this amazing offer. If you have a credit card, you can simply call the number below for a easy payment of $39.95 for 5 months. Interest free!"

Did I just hear that in the TV shopping network :p? j/k zoom :D

How about Renesis + Scan = RenesScan? :D

Hymee RX8 Engine Analyser. Because that's what it is after all, like the Hymee catback, the Hymee Grill Kit, theHymee S/C Kit, the Hymee Short Shifter, the Hymee 7-speed Automated Sequential Gearbox...
And with an "s" as in British English (and Australian?), in order not to get confused with (or sued by) Performance Trends Engine Analyzer (that actually is an engine simulator software). http://www.performancetrends.com/

P.S. What do you think of the digital readouts? What do you notice about the readouts?

Easy to read, looks like a backlit led display, the numbers are way off scale(!)....what did I miss?

How about the H-scan?

Gomez.

The readouts are way off scale as they're showing theoretical maximum (based on the OBD specs). This will change for the final version.

I'll give you a big hint. :D

Good news... the interface turned up today. It's going to be a fun weekend. We have to do some minor modifications before we can test the new interface, but as soon as we know how it's looking, you'll all be the first to know.

Exciting.. the lab will be so nothing to do at Xmas new year. I can bring my car and play with the scan all day!

I'll give you a big hint. :D

No, I'm still too dopey to pick up on it.....I know nothing :D

Maybe Rasputin can figure it out :)

The readouts are way off scale as they're showing theoretical maximum (based on the OBD specs). This will change for the final version.

I'll give you a big hint. :D
What? Is it the fact that there is no unit displayed on your digital readouts? That's no good, is it?

What? Is it the fact that there is no unit displayed on your digital readouts? That's no good, is it?
I think you can put the unit in the top right hand corner?

No, I'm still too dopey to pick up on it.....I know nothing :D

Maybe Rasputin can figure it out :)

You're talking to me?

Something about the AFR.....

You're talking to me?
No, to me, mate!


:confused: -ing, init?

You're talking to me?

Hello, Old Timer...long time, no speakie... :)

Something about the AFR.....
It looks like you can choose the type of AFR and define the stoich AFR. So what? :confused:

You're talking to me?

IKN - wow. I haven't heard from you for so long! Did you know this guy in Europe distibutes my stuff? Look for Rasputin! ;)

BTW - The readouts on the last page... I worked it out - they are imperial units.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hello, Old Timer...long time, no speakie... :)
... and I'm not going to switch from one to the other all the time just for fun ;) .

IKN - wow. I haven't heard from you for so long! Did you know this guy in Europe distibutes my stuff? Look for Rasputin! ;)

BTW - The readouts on the last page... I worked it out - they are imperial units.

Cheers,
Hymee.

No, they are a custom mixture of imperial and metric...

It looks like you can choose the type of AFR and define the stoich AFR. So what? :confused:

What the config for AFR means is this...

You can select "Lambda" or the "Ratio"

Lamba is always 1.0 at "stoich", any fuel. It is an O2 based reading.

The Ratio is like 14:1 etc. For that, you need to specify the "stoich" value for the fuel you are using for it to be accurate. 14.7:1 is "close" but not exact. If you are using some other fuel, it would be different. Like Nitromethane is 4:1 or something really "rich" by comparison.

Cheers,
Hymee.

IKN - wow. I haven't heard from you for so long! Did you know this guy in Europe distibutes my stuff? Look for Rasputin! ;)

BTW - The readouts on the last page... I worked it out - they are imperial units.

Cheers,
Hymee.
- see my reply to Gomez! :p

- what's so special about that? :eek: Ah yes, you also target the US market, the last ones to use the Queen's units! Is this what SCO meant?:rolleyes:

No, they are a custom mixture of imperial and metric...


OK - What is metric then? The fuel level percent? ;) Hehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

OK - What is metric then? The fuel level percent? ;) Hehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

No, sco had km for distance, mph for speed, and degrees f for temp....

Ah yes, you also target the US market, the last ones to use the Queen's units! Is this what SCO meant?:rolleyes:

I think it was...I was looking too deep, I think :o

No, sco had km for distance, mph for speed, and degrees f for temp....
So it's the fact that you can mix metric and imperial that SCO wanted us to find?:confused:

SCO, luv, where are you?

SCO, luv, where are you?

Working, not like the rest of us. :D

Cheers,
Hymee.

So it's the fact that you can mix metric and imperial that SCO wanted us to find?:confused:

SCO, luv, where are you?

No I don't think it was that....on the first screen shot all the info was imperial, which is what I think Hymee was pointing out. And sco wanted us to find something in that first screen shot. The bastard is sitting there looking at his monitor and having a good giggle ATM......

No, sco had km for distance, mph for speed, and degrees f for temp....

Distance? Q'ue? :( :confused:

Cheers,
Hymee.

But I know I am correct, as he told me so via MSN chat :p

With this sort of banter, I'll catch up to Taka's post count again!

Distance? Q'ue? :( :confused:

Cheers,
Hymee.

...in his second "I'll give you a hint" screenshot.....

I see what you mean. The question was related to the digital readout screen shot. The options screen shot was just the hint.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I see what you mean. The question was related to the digital readout screen shot. The options screen shot was just the hint.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yeah, it was the hint that led us all off track :)

All I wanted to show was that we have support for changing the units - this was a question that came up before. I didn't mean to generate a post war ;)

Units will be on the gauges. I have a long list of odd jobs to do (that don't take long) and that is on it.

I think you did just fine... Gomez has been fussy.

I can't wait for the product. No matter what it is going to be called.

taka i read your commercial in your last post - that was great :)

On the flip side, if it had to run on a linux boot cd, or on linux directly, that would make it inconvient for far more people.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for microsoft either, but my laptop and desktop at home run windows for web development. All my servers run Linux or BSD.

jason could you port this to linux?

Good question. .Net code is not platform specific. So someone just has to write a .Net runtime for linux. :BIG DUCK: Hehehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

taka i read your commercial in your last post - that was great :)
I knew I have potential to become a second hand car saleman ;)

hmmm... I will settle as a Pathologist ;)

Win one for yourself...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=647611

Cheers,
Hymee.

Good question. .Net code is not platform specific. So someone just has to write a .Net runtime for linux. :BIG DUCK: Hehehehe.

Cheers,
Hymee.
:BIG SWING: ;)

It is unlikely the code can be ported in a way in which retains all the current functionality. The current gauges will only work on Windows. We'd love to do Linux, but time is limited and it would be much more work and that would push up the cost.

since it is based on .net in theory it could be run on a modded xbox right?

I noticed from the pics that the gauges are rather far apart from each other, will we be able to adjust it to fit them closer together so as the gauges will all be visible on the Navigation display (if I hook a laptop or carputer or xbox if works to it)?

thanks guys

The software will run on those versions of Windows supported by the .NET runtime. I don't think Windows runs on XBOX, nor would it be a supported configuration.

The gauges resize based on the application window size. So with circular gauges it will look best if the window is relatively square. More flexibility in the display will be in an enhanced version as I have previously mentioned. I'm trying to avoid thinking about the enhanced version until we ship the initial one, so if I'm a bit vague, I apologise - this is deliberate.

The software will run on those versions of Windows supported by the .NET runtime. I don't think Windows runs on XBOX, nor would it be a supported configuration.

The gauges resize based on the application window size. So with circular gauges it will look best if the window is relatively square. More flexibility in the display will be in an enhanced version as I have previously mentioned. I'm trying to avoid thinking about the enhanced version until we ship the initial one, so if I'm a bit vague, I apologise - this is deliberate.

Are you guys planning on releasing the data capture API's for developers?

will there be fuel consumption analysis parameters? I'm thinking of instantaneous mileage, and average mileage over user-set time and/or distance intervals, and fuel consumed with start and stop "buttons"

We 'll look into releasing an API... I'll discuss with Hymee - nothing would happen until after the initial release.

There won't be any fuel consumption in the initial release. This might be something for an advanced version. The data we can get doesn't lend itself to accurate fuel consumption calculations. I have an idea on how to do it but it's going to be a fair bit of work.

SCO, What is an API?

Fabrice

Application Program Interface - basically a something a developer can call to use our software to write their own application.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=application%20program%20interface

Thanks SCO.

SCO, What is an API?

Fabrice

Application Programming Interface.

So other people could roll their own software that would run using our hardware.

Sco and I are probably quite in favour of the idea, but it is off the radar at the moment. We have something to concentrate on!

Cheers,
Hymee.

hymee, can i beta test :]

I was thinking of getting a can-scan software soon. How long before you release it

RotorGeek, I can't commit to a date, just yet. We're getting close, but there are some things that need to be sorted before I can be confident on when we'll ship. We have a dependency on a hardware manufacturer, so some things are not entirely in our control. Hopefully we'll have these issues sorted later this week and then we can talk about a date, subject to forum rules.

Testing on the weekend went well. The latest version of our interface works as expected and is much faster (resulting in faster update rates) than the one we have been using in the interim. But, we're looking to see if we can make it even faster.

More news as soon as I have some. I know many of you are keen to get your hands on one - we want to produce something that is high in quality and great value for money. We'll do our best to get this out as quick as we can. Your patience is very much appreciated.

That sounds cool. I am still 2 months from buying anything so it works out great.

Hi All,

Thought it would be a good idea to give you an update.

We've found a small issue with our hardware. It's not a showstopper but it prevents us from tweaking a few things we want to try to tweak. We're waiting on feedback from our supplier on if/when this can be fixed. We could ship now as is - but we want the opportunity to try some tweaking to get the best results - if we were to ship now and some hardware changes were required for us to do the tweaks we want then our early adopters could be disadvantaged.

This means we won't be shipping before Christmas, but we're trying to get this sorted as quickly as we can. The one advantage is that this gives us more time to add features to the software. Some things I have added recently:

ability to change the background image and colour (so you can have a carbon fibre like background as Hymee has shown, or you could make the background black which is much easier on the eyes at night)
ability to turn anti-aliasing on the gauges on and off (turning off will boost performance of the user interface on slower machines)

I'm currently working on saving and loading the gauge configuration so you can set up your own favourite sets of parameters as well as look and feel.

More news as I have some.

Cheers

sco

Thanks sco for the update, even though we have to be patient just a little while longer.

Good luck in getting things sorted out with your hardware supplier.

Thanks rxeightr.

Good news. The problem we were having was due to a documentation issue (i.e. something wasn't working because of incorrect information on the feature - there was nothing wrong with the feature itself, so once the documentation was corrected, this was easily fixed). We will be moving forward to a beta test in the very near future, and provided that goes well we won't be far from releasing the first version of the soon to be named scan tool.

Again thanks for your patience and support. It's close... I can smell it.

Thats good news; looking forward to getting this!

This looks like it could be the ideal tool to help tune a Canzoomer unit. Will the system be able to scan, record and graph RPM, advance, trottle and AFR(02S1) directly in the software itself without having to transfer data into Excel?

We're thinking about a "tuner's edition" with advanced functionality for tuning.

We're thinking about a "tuner's edition" with advanced functionality for tuning.
like...?

This looks like it could be the ideal tool to help tune a Canzoomer unit. Will the system be able to scan, record and graph RPM, advance, trottle and AFR(02S1) directly in the software itself without having to transfer data into Excel?

No graphs planned for the initial version. However, the logging functionality will allow you to graph results in your chosen package - e.g. Excel. I do understand it would make it easier to use to have a built in charting function, and it is something we need to consider down the track.

Cheers,
Hymee.

since this thread is very long and the information is spread thru many posts i wonder if sco or Hymee can give a break down of all the current as planned for release functions of this unit. thanks.

I'll put something together and post it... may not be for a couple of days.

Hello Hymee and SCO,
First off, I would like to mention that I've read many many posts by Hymee before this 2nd post of mine =).
I would like to let you know that I am also a professional programmer with Microsoft technology. (C#,vb6,vb.net,asp.net, just about all microsoft) But I also know java and can help you convert code to java if you need help with that. I hope you do release an API in either .net or com. I am in the process of making a custom pc and software for my RX8. (gathering all the parts) This will probably be one of the item to purchase.

-V

custom software? would you be willing to share that with us Vido?

Hello Hymee and SCO,
First off, I would like to mention that I've read many many posts by Hymee before this 2nd post of mine =).
I would like to let you know that I am also a professional programmer with Microsoft technology. (C#,vb6,vb.net,asp.net, just about all microsoft) But I also know java and can help you convert code to java if you need help with that. I hope you do release an API in either .net or com. I am in the process of making a custom pc and software for my RX8. (gathering all the parts) This will probably be one of the item to purchase.

-V

Guys,

We hear your request for an API.

Had a busy week at my day job, and I owe zoom44 a summary of features.

Will post some news soon.

sco

Sure I'll share it. Its basically a touch screen application that lets you play radio/tv/music/videos/and embed a nav program like streets usa in windows and maybe java if its not too much work. I just bought myself a tiny motherboard in ITX form factor and a lilliput 7" for that setup.

As much as I'd prefer an OSX and Palm OS platform, it makes sense to do what you're doing. ...

Tim

Well, I'm another one who's on a mac/OSX.

Do you think maybe in a few years we could have something that could run on an ipod?

;)

hey, just throwing out an idea for a future version... but can the unit output be optionally programmed for dials (or bars) like this?

I just think they look kind of nice. Theyre from the new Ferrari 612

I also have a MacOSX, but I use it for limited things such as music and java testing. Anything written in java should work perfectly for the MacOS X. If the source code is written using one of the multiplatform api that I know (www.wxwidgets.com [c++]) that would also make it easy to get it working on the Mac OS X. As for the what was mentioned before about something called Mono. Mono is a way to run the application that SCO and Hymee are working on with the MacOS X or linux. www.go-mono.org for more info.

since it is based on .net in theory it could be run on a modded xbox right?

I noticed from the pics that the gauges are rather far apart from each other, will we be able to adjust it to fit them closer together so as the gauges will all be visible on the Navigation display (if I hook a laptop or carputer or xbox if works to it)?

thanks guys

well interesting news...since this post there has been a lot of work completed on a Windows OS, specifically CE ported to XBOX...it does run .net programs so I believe it is just a matter of using a Game port to USB adaptor with the sCANalyser and working up a set of 'drivers' for the device

probably A LOT more difficult then it sounds :p
http://www.xbox-windows.org/

When are we going to see the goodies? :rolleyes:

Taka,

You get to see it earlier than most, due to your special "beta tester" status.

They sent us "straight" plugs instead of the special right-angle plugs. Thies makes the cables less intrusive in the footwell. I am waiting for the replacement cables to arrive. We are also working on finalising the software. I hope you will have something within in 2 or 3 weeks.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks the update Hymee :thumbs up:. I simply cannot wait ;)

Cannot wait to play it. Although I am going to Hong Kong and Macau in Feb 14. Oh I may bring the whole thing to Asia and do testing. We will see.

Cheers
TAKA

The "whole" thing - like your RX-8 as well? Or do you plan on testing on a local RX-8 when you are there?

Cheers,
Hymee.

The "whole" thing - like your RX-8 as well? Or do you plan on testing on a local RX-8 when you are there?

Cheers,
Hymee.
If I can race my RX-8 in Macau I will ;) hehe LOL

I will bring my laptop and the cables... I hope I can find the only Red RX-8 there... are you still here? Otherwise, I don't mind meeting up with some guys in Hong Kong. I am going on 14 Feb and return on 28th. I have internet connection in Macau to report what i found.

Anyone interested over there? Hello...... ? :p

The HK and Macau RX-8 are JDM Type S....

and I owe zoom44 a summary of features.

Will post some news soon.

sco

AHEM HEMMM?!?!

List of features will be published within the next 24 hours. Sorry for the delay.

As Hymee has mentioned we're waiting on some cables and once they arrive we'll be going to a limited beta test. The set of features for the first release is pretty much baked - we're currently tidying up known bugs ready for the beta.

hey, just throwing out an idea for a future version... but can the unit output be optionally programmed for dials (or bars) like this?

I just think they look kind of nice. Theyre from the new Ferrari 612
Customisable gauges is on the cards for a more advanced version of the software. At the moment we're focused on shipping the initial version so we're not thinking about future features/versions yet (we'd love to, but we're trying to be disciplined and focus on the task at hand).

looking forward to the next 24 then:)

Here is a summary of the features for the initial version.

Retrieve vehicle information including VIN, calibration ID and calibration verification number. Also retrieves a snapshot of all the current powertrain information.
Display powertrain information in real time using an analogue style dial or LCD style digital display. Up to six items can be retrieved as fast as the RX-8's PCM can supply them (approximately 100msec per sample, so approximately 60 samples per second). It's not possible to give exact timing as the response is subject to the PCM's response time and traffic on the CAN bus.
Minimum and maximum for dials can be set to values that suit the RX-8 (e.g. RPM maximum of 9400 for a manual RX-8) or left as generic values (which are based on the minimums and maximums as documented in the OBD specifications).
Log real time information to a comma separated (CSV) file. There is no limit to the length of logging - only available disk space. Whatever real time powertrain information that is being retrieved is logged. This means you can log up to six items of data per sample.
Trigger log start and stop using any of the supported numeric powertrain data items (but whatever you use as a trigger must be selected as one of the current real time items). The data item for the start trigger can be different to the stop trigger (e.g. you could start log when RPM > 3000 and stop when speed > 100km/h).
Units of measure are configurable (set all to metric, set all to imperial, or a custom configuration)
Retrieve hard and pending diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) as well as CEL/MIL status
Retrieve freeze frame data as well as the DTC that triggered the freeze frame.
Clear diagnostic trouble codes (also clears freeze frame).
Retrieve on board monitoring test results.
Shipping with the software will be a serial interface, cable to connect interface to the OBD socket as well as a 9 pin serial cable to connect the PC to the interface. The OBD cable has a right angle plug which minimizes the intrusion of the plug in the the footspace.

Our software will run on the following operating systems:
Windows 2000, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, Windows XP, Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 (requires Service Pack 6a.)

Once we ship the initial version we'll have a think about other versions and support for other platforms. Pocket PC is high on my list. First thing on the list will be an API - this would probably be in .NET but COM compliant (so it can be used by any COM compliant language, such as VB6).

Thanks for all your patience and support.

Cheers

sco

Edit: Added some clarification to items 4 and 5.
Edit 2: Clarified point 2.
Edit 3: Removed point 11 Control on board tests - the RX-8 doesn't support it.

ok i want one. now please:)

Sounds great! Do you plan on a USB version any time in the future? Many, maybe most, of the current laptops come with USB but not serial. Thanks.

There may be a USB version in the future (but not near future). Serial gives us more flexibility (e.g. can use the interface with pocket PCs). We can supply an "approved" USB to serial interface as an optional extra.

There may be a USB version in the future (but not near future). Serial gives us more flexibility (e.g. can use the interface with pocket PCs). We can supply an "approved" USB to serial interface as an optional extra.

Thanks for the prompt reply. It's not really a big deal since I can always get a serial card for my laptop. Looking forward to the "launch".

There may be a USB version in the future (but not near future). Serial gives us more flexibility (e.g. can use the interface with pocket PCs). We can supply an "approved" USB to serial interface as an optional extra.
I had sweated until I saw this.....

I love one please.....:D

Will it be shipped via you or under the house of Hymee?

Taka,

It is a "Hymee Enhanced" product, developed by Hymee and Sco. Don't forget you are on the beta, so expect something in a week or so! :)

Cheers,
Hymee

Don't forget your buddy in the States.

Ready to buy -- right here & now.

Don't forget your buddy in the States.

After letting me drive you 'vette, how could I ever forget!

Ready to buy -- right here & now.

Great! We just need a few more thousand like that, and me and Sco could start doing cool stuff like this full time :) And it already looks way better than what I showed you that lovely day in September on the shores of Lake Guntersville!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Put me down on the list. Still keen to beta test the app running under VirtualPC Windows XP on MacOS , if that helps (hmm, that means I'd better look at serial to USB adapters)

Timbo,

We have tried a few different USB / Serial adaptors, and also a PCMCIA serial port. At least one USB-Serial didn't work :eek:

We are going to recommend a "buy it yourself" brand/model, and alternativley supply another cheaper option ourselves.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Note that item #2 in Sco's list above - this means that it will sample 6 items at a time, and be able to do all that at a frequency of about 10 times per second. So that is sort of like 60 readings per second in total.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks Hymee.. have clarified this in the original list.

All,

I've removed one feature from the list - "Control on board monitoring tests". There was an error in some of my notes and this feature actually isn't supported by the RX-8. Currently the only test in the OBD specifications that can be controlled is the evaporative system test, and the RX-8 doesn't support controlling this using the mechanisms defined in the OBD specs. Sorry for any confusion.

sco

Drool factor increased :p

Can you at least give us a target date for general public availability?

Thanks!

All,

I've removed one feature from the list - "Control on board monitoring tests". There was an error in some of my notes and this feature actually isn't supported by the RX-8. Currently the only test in the OBD specifications that can be controlled is the evaporative system test, and the RX-8 doesn't support controlling this using the mechanisms defined in the OBD specs. Sorry for any confusion.

sco

i believe there was some mention previously that this was checked - that it would work on other masda products as well. do other mazda products support this function and just not the 8? if so you may want to leave the function in place...

sCANalyser should work with other vehicles that support OBD over CAN. We've tried it in a Mazda 6, Mazda 3, Mazda 2 and it does work with these vehicles. For the initial release we're focused on supporting the RX-8. Subsequent releases will support additional vehicles. That feature will be able to be used on vehicles that support it in a future release.

This might sound stupid, but when its available we should be able to buy it from the hymee web site right? Or maybe a list of interested people reading this thread?

Can't wait to integrate this feature into my carPC!
-V

I guess it would be stupid if we didn't sell it over the web! I'll need to update the site when it is ready to go on sale.

We are shipping some of the hardware today to those fortunate few to be on our beta test program. So things are happening!

Cheers,
Hymee.

We are shipping some of the hardware today to those fortunate few to be on our beta test program. So things are happening!
YEAH

HURRAY :p

Hang on Hymee or Sco...

Suggest any serial converter for my laptop?

I have 3 USB and firewire and a slot for (PCMCIA???) card...

What do you recommend me using?

Taka,

You beat me to it!!! Check your email :)

These ones are Hymee certified, and they ship o'night:

https://www.lindy.com.au/online/arrshop.exe?anonymous=true&item=42856

Wildcard uses this one.

BEWARE – NOT ALL USB/SERIAL CONVERTERS WORK!!! I have tested a cheap one, and it did not work!!!

Cheers,
Hymee.

I'm all out of drool and starting to shrivel up... Hope the beta testers don't taka to long :rolleyes:

He he ... you liked that one as much as Hymee did.

"epi" was short for epitrochoid.

(I edited my last post to answer another question I missed and to post another screen dump).
ok, that will be the name of this product!

Taka,

You beat me to it!!! Check your email :)

These ones are Hymee certified, and they ship o'night:

https://www.lindy.com.au/online/arrshop.exe?anonymous=true&item=42856

Wildcard uses this one.

BEWARE – NOT ALL USB/SERIAL CONVERTERS WORK!!! I have tested a cheap one, and it did not work!!!

Cheers,
Hymee.
Lucky... these are cheaper than Belkins ($69) and they look quite nice.

Thanks and ordered.

Ohhh... cannot wait.

Hi SCO,

How long after the MSWinPC version is release will you be looking at doing the Beta of the PPC version? RX8 + O2 XDA-II = volunteer :D

Cheers,

Tonym.

Any updates??

We've started beta-testing. Unfortunately we had some delays on hardware for some of the testers (which are now resolved and they now have all they need), so I'm hoping for some feedback over the next couple of weeks and if that feedback is good, we won't be far from the initial release.

This thread started in July of 2003. I beleive pachyderms concieve at this rate. Here's hoping Hymee finally gives birth to some thing of elephantine porportions

I'll leave the stuff about Hymee giving birth and elephantine proportions alone... for now ;)

We'll probably be just faster than Overload's 12 month effort on the audio input ;) Like Overload, this project is not something that is viable yet for us to quit our full time jobs and do it full time - we'd both love that, but we both have mortgages and many mouths to feed. Who knows, maybe if it's good enough and we sell enough (everyone buy 3) :D, we might have a chance at doing this all day.

This thread started in July of 2003. I beleive pachyderms concieve at this rate. Here's hoping Hymee finally gives birth to some thing of elephantine porportions

Oh dear. Lets get the facts straight before we start...

I showed this to rxeighter in September, 2004. He started this thread on 09-20-2004, 12:29 AM. That meant September 2004 when I learned calanders, not July 2003. Even though it is back to front a bit ;)

Finally gives birth to something....

1. Protective grills (first ever for RX-8)
2. Cat back.
3. sCANalyser - beta testing underway now.
4. Supercharger - in development.

BTW - Full time job to tend to as well :) And in all there I had to fit in 3000 odd posts as well.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I am one of the lucky one to beta test.

I am still working and testing hard even on my holiday! ;)

I am in Macau now and will test someone's JDM RX-8 this week.

You cannot ask for more sco and Hymee.

I think I solved the only problem I faced too... will report privately

Cheers
Taka from Macau.

Taka has inspired me :) I'll speak up too...Hymee and SCO are great guys and the product they are soon to offer is amazing.

The unit is VERY high quality. The cables are high-grade and will definitely shield from degrading my video setup in the car (which shouldn't be a problem anyway).

On top of that I am really impressed with the software...beautiful interface.
I'm going to be hooking up a small computer in the car and using the NAV as the display for the unit...digital gauges are nice :)

The cables are high-grade and will definitely shield from degrading my video setup in the car (which shouldn't be a problem anyway).

Jealous :mad:

Love testing....
There are bugs (somewhere :rolleyes: surely ;)) which I am here to test for. Dare I say I found one but I will go to the root of the problem, which is not a big problem btw.

sco, Hymee. I think beta tester should communicate among them via you guys. Live chat or group email?? Any objection from the creator (hymee, sco)?

Sorry my error, I've confused rxeighter's "joined on date" with the thread's startup date. My bad. The waiting frustration comes out of finding a CEL on in the car after returning from 4 days winter driving mayhem (www.gruppe-q.com) in Steamboat. I've been postponing a Harrison Software type purchase in the hopes Hymee's version was not far around the corner. Come on guys, (I'm not sure what elephant's say in the jungle delivery room except, "Warning don't stand directly behind the mother....." but, for kriykie's sake, "PUsh, push, push...... breath, breath, breath. PUSH PUSH PUSH.

Saw that on ER once. Seemed to work :-)

takahashi - there is definitely bugs. Fixed a few last night - you're not trying hard enough ;) ;) ;) I'll see if we can get a discussion list going.

truemagellan and other beta testers - love to hear some more feedback - even if it is to say you've had no problems.

mlx8 - no problems .. we're going as fast as we can... believe me both Hymee and I want this out the door (we have lots of great ideas for another version we want to get started on). Thanks for your patience. We're close... I can smell it.

Sorry my error, I've confused rxeighter's "joined on date" with the thread's startup date. My bad. The waiting frustration comes out of finding a CEL on in the car after returning from 4 days winter driving mayhem (www.gruppe-q.com) in Steamboat. I've been postponing a Harrison Software type purchase in the hopes Hymee's version was not far around the corner. Come on guys, (I'm not sure what elephant's say in the jungle delivery room except, "Warning don't stand directly behind the mother....." but, for kriykie's sake, "PUsh, push, push...... breath, breath, breath. PUSH PUSH PUSH.

Saw that on ER once. Seemed to work :-)

No worries mate.

We all make mistakes - that is why we have beta testing, hey?

Sorry we haven't had this ready to check you CEL. We feel (hope?) a quality product will better than a rushed to market product.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Tallking about a CEL light. Is that wise to buy myself a OBD - II code book? or it is a waste of money, since the code book is never used (touch wood ;*)

I wish I have time to beta test in Macau.... I might wavied down an RX-8 somehow, risking of being the first forum member being hit by an RX-8 :D

Taka,

I'll email you a "DTC code file" that we "compiled" from information puiblished on this site. We are not sure we can re-distribute it with the product - copyright etc.

On the Tools - Options dialog, there is a place where you can point to the DTC lookup file. Then when you get a DTC, sCANalyser gives you the description as well as just the code :D

Check your email soon...

Cheers,
Hymee.

On the Tools - Options dialog, there is a place where you can point to the DTC lookup file. Then when you get a DTC, sCANalyser gives you the description as well as just the code

SMART :eek: Thanks for that. I am just interested and not looking forward to my first DTC. Oh I can find that in other cars (like Ford :D)

Originally posted by Takahashi!!! Wow - you are the ideas man!!! ;) ;) :)

Sorry my error, I've confused rxeighter's "joined on date" with the thread's startup date.

My join date was 01/03, not 07/03.

Just had to salt the wound some more :rolleyes:

Doesn't DTC stand for "Drive Taka Crazy" :D

if it is so... :D

DTC #00001 = the drive in front of you has been constantly slower. :mad:
DTC #00002 = the engine detected too much noise from a female voice. :mad:
DTC #00003 = the ECU detected not enough fund in the owner bank account for future mods, since the additional card holder have spent it all. :mad:

I can see a new thread starting with ALL the proverbial DTC codes that make us laugh :)

if it is so... :D

DTC #00001 = the drive in front of you has been constantly slower. :mad:
DTC #00002 = the engine detected too much noise from a female voice. :mad:
DTC #00003 = the ECU detected not enough fund in the owner bank account for future mods, since the additional card holder have spent it all. :mad:

:D

Time for an update.... we've had a bunch of feedback from our beta-testers (thanks guys). We have some changes to make based on that feedback, which we're getting through as quickly as I can. Once those changes are done, we'll send a release candidate out to the beta-testers for a final round of feedback and then we should be done.

I want keg of Fosters with mine... :D

Fosters! :mad: :eek: Don't get me started! ;) ... That topic has already been covered... http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=104420&postcount=3

:eek:

Will the sCANalyser provide everything that the new CANScan-USB (http://www.ghg.net/dharrison/canscan_new.htm) does? :confused:

We don't provide a direct USB connection, although it is possible via a USB-Serial adaptor.

USB only means the CANScanUSB wont work with a PDA that is RS232 based. We will have S/W for PDA in the future.

Other than that, I think the real answer is sCANalyser has provides more than the CANScan.

We have a faster update rate for a start, and a much nicer user interface (sCANalyser has already been used on a NAV screen to display gauges).

The "PassThrough" does not appear to be really available yet for CANScan according to the info on the site. We have not promised that with this version.

I believe (subject to confirmation) that CANScan can't read the VIN number or the CalID, whereas sCANalyser CAN.

The other thing sCANalyser offers which I don't believe CANScan offers is the ability to set triggers for starting and stopping logging based on sensor inputs. I.e. Start logging when RPM > 1500 and then stop logging when Throttle Position is < 80%.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Here I'll post some pics of Hymee's sCANalyser on my NAV to wet your appetite. Sorry about the poor quality pics...no tripod + night + ancient laptop = this. Let me again stress this is beta and the final product may appear differently. Also there are lots of options for customization of the program...I haven't had much time to change things up yet but I look forward to doing so.

I was lazy and only changed the background color of the program once so sorry for the lack variety...next time I'll have the carbon fiber background or a dark grey would be nice.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43524&stc=1

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43525&stc=1

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43526&stc=1

Will there be a fullscreen option in the future? the white borders make it look incomplete and take up a lot of space.

Speaking of the future, I forgot if this was mentioned but would it difficult to implement an air/fuel graph?

other than the prototype-look of it, looks great!

TM suggested full screen. I never thought he would be trying the Beta out on a NAV screen, so this option was never on the radar to start with. Me and sco have to discuss that, but it does seem like a valid request to me.

You get a AFR gauge via the Wideband O2 sensor. It can display Air:Fuel ratio (if you know the stoich value for the fuel you are using), or the more "direct" lambda value which is what I prefer. This data can be logged, and therefore graphed for later analysis.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Oh - you didn't need to delete that TM!! It was fine!

:(

Cheers,
Hymee.

truemagellan - it looks like the aspect ratio is a bit screwed on the NAV screen - you could try setting the resolution to a widescreen resolution to fix the aspect ratio. If you don't have any standard ones with your video card, you can download "Powerstrip" to set one up.

Hello Hymme, here it is :) revived through the back button :p

Will there be a fullscreen option in the future? the white borders make it look incomplete and take up a lot of space.

Speaking of the future, I forgot if this was mentioned but would it difficult to implement an air/fuel graph?

other than the prototype-look of it, looks great!

Hymee can answer this much better than I but i'll try:

1. if I would have changed the program setup in windows it could have been full screen...but at the same time a full screen in program control has been requested. That doesn't mean it will be in the software release (since it isn't up to me).

2. through the logging function you can log air/fuel and any other output info offered through the CAN interface...it outputs to excel if I remember correctly...and from there you can graph all you like.

truemagellan - it looks like the aspect ratio is a bit screwed on the NAV screen - you could try setting the resolution to a widescreen resolution to fix the aspect ratio. If you don't have any standard ones with your video card, you can download "Powerstrip" to set one up.

yes the aspect was off a bit...really I just slapped everything together and made virtually no adjustments to the video out or program. I hope to tinker more tomorrow, but with the temperature around 10F, it has been rather difficult lately.

I'll post updated pics once I play around with it some more.

No worries, was just trying to help :)

I have the other extreme... the garage gets too hot to tinker... so I use remote desktop to a machine in the garage and sit in my nice air conditioned office :)

No worries, was just trying to help :)

I have the other extreme... the garage gets too hot to tinker... so I use remote desktop to a machine in the garage and sit in my nice air conditioned office :)

no worries here :D, I thank you for your post as I completely forgot about Powerstrip. I'll definitely use it on my next run

truemagellan.

Do you think the size ratio (wide:height) is a touch out besides the white boarder being a non-full screen display.

It may be the angle of the shot taken, but I thought the circle of the gauges is a bit oval in shape :)

That makes me wanted to strip my old laptop (500mHz Pentium III) and put a screen up for the sCANalyser....

But I think I need a screen, a pod to hold it and a handyman!

...I think the real answer is sCANalyser has provides more than the CANScan...

Thanks, it's just that my car is breathing allot easier on the discharge side, and I will be staying N/A for awhile, and I want to start tuning it. I want to buy a SCAN product ASAP, so I can start logging my tuning attempts with the new E-Manage I will have on order. Right now another forum member is helping me, but he lives pretty far north, so we can't hook up that often so I can use his CANscan. I guess I could buy the CANscan and then turn around and buy the sCANanlyser when it is ready and have both, but I am trying to save money at the same time... That is my dilemma - I am ready to buy today.

truemagellan.

Do you think the size ratio (wide:height) is a touch out besides the white boarder being a non-full screen display.

It may be the angle of the shot taken, but I thought the circle of the gauges is a bit oval in shape :)

Yes the picture is not filling up the entire nav screen because I have not adjusted the output frame size...if I did it would be much closer to the correct ratio

I also have an external scan line converter which works much better than the video out on any computer...I'll see how well this works...best part is it runs off DC already :D

Is it hard to make one?

MM has made a thread about it but I still don't understand what is going to be involved.

Is most DVD player has a input for a computer's video out?
I have an old Pentium III notebook gathering dust... what do I need besides reformmating the hard drive (at least deleting everything for just the scanner).

What else do I need?

A screen? What screen? Can a DVD player do (as I can do a set up like 8a8y 8).

How to hide the wire from CAN scanner? At the moment it is quite annoying for the driver and the wire may get in the way.