I showed this guy a pic of mazdaspeed rx-8, and he quote " that's 2 rice ." He said anything that's not clean stock is rice... I told him that some bodykits are also for perfomance not for the sake to look like rice. 2 me rice is giant spoilers that looks like the car is going to fly, stickers all over, loud exhaust but no power, and kits that don't look like it belong in the car.

I personally think the mazdaspeed rx-8 is a sweet looking car, rice not one bit. What do u guys think.

Originally posted by moogle
I personally think the mazdaspeed rx-8 is a sweet looking car, rice not one bit. What do u guys think. In my eyes, it's borderline. It doesn't have the ludicrous excesses of the domestic American riceboy, but it's too much tupperware for one car, and turns an elegant design into a pokemon character.

IMHO. Since you asked. :)

The MPS RX-8 is too ricey for me.... I don't like the spoiler, the body kit, or the rims. Granted the rims might be lightweight but there's no way that Mazda put the resources to test a concept in a wind tunnel, and thus almost everything on that car is 'fluff'.

If it looked like that I'd never buy it. I am always into the elegant and sporty type of cars, which is why BMW is awesome for me :)

However if I want to buy a car that looks like the RX-8 I probably don't drive very well because I'm NOT all about the showoffishness... I'd rather have a sporty car that's a sleeper (like an M3, there are telltale signs but they are LOW KEY), than a car that I can't stand to look at.

The MPS RX-8 falls into that category. If people want to add body kits and such... that's fine. But don't alienate customers by adding a tacky body kit, wing and rims, and making no option for the 'sleeper' model. It's just bad business.

I too like sleak cars in the Italian tradition.
The spoiler on the X-Men '8' is my definition of too much Rice, and I don't think it will enhance the image of the car at all.
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The difference is subtle, and I think the best example is the Subaru SVX. A really decent groundbreaking design, backed up by an aggressive motor, and four-wheel drive. I would, (have) considered buying one, whereas I would never consider a WRX or an EVO7.
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The spoilers, scoops and 'retro-70's' looks put me right off.
300, 500, who cares how many horsepower they have, they are 'four pounds of ugly, in a two pound bag'.
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But then, some of the guys I work with quote the numbers for the new Hi-Po Neon, and say it will blow away an '8', as if that made it a good car.......
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I am getting too old for this argument.
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Ray.

What constitutes "rice" is a VERY subjective thing. There are relatively obvious "looks" on cars which most if not all people consider rice (we are talking about the blatantly body kit, winged, wheeled, WASSAAP cars), and then anything other than that back towards stock will be subjective based on the person.

I think the "general" widely accepted definition is a car which has more emphasis or ALL emphasis on looks than performance, with the looks ranging from tasteful to downright outrageous. This ends up back in the subjective arena though.

My definition of rice is a crappy car with a bunch of cheap crappy mods. The key here is CHEAP.

Example: 87 accord that's primer painted in some places. Rear wing that's taller than the roof line. The cobra eyes (windshield washer lights). Dropped but not with performance springs...instead cut the springs and has horrible camber problems. Huge exhaust tip and giant tach that's mounted on the piller. Ohhhh and instead of aftermarket rims has the steal rims that came stock...he just removed the hub caps.

My take:

If you plaster a giant wing on the back, the mad aero kits, the stickers, the huge rims, the flashy custom interior, etc., on a Civic and it still got stock Honda Civic 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, it's rice.

If your Civic's running in the 11's and you've put a ton of time and effort (let alone $$$) into building up your engine and making it one bad-ass machine, you have every right to do whatever you want to the appearance of the car. That's not rice.

Rice is giving the appearance of speed on a car with a stock engine.... If your car is fast as hell and you want it to look that way, IMO that's just your taste. I'd never do it personally, but then again, I'd never have a purple mohawk, but I can respect the people that do that actually live the lifestyle they're portraying.

Rice = Posing

I think one of my neighbors pretty much sums up rice....can you say "geo prizm type R". That thing is "MaD TyTe yO", cause he's got nawwwwws and all that APC shizznit dawg. :D

I don't see how people can say that a car that has no performace mods but looks like a show car, is rice. Not everyone is concerned with 0-60 speeds, skidpad numbers, etc.

Now, if someone installs a coffee can for an exhaust tip, uses tremclad paint as a tint, and has 10 pounds of stickers holding on a cardboard "bodykit", that is what I would consider "Rice".

Show cars are cool. I like show cars. Just don't try to make your show car look like something it's not.... We have tons of awesome low-rider shows here in SD and the cars are sweet. But they don't look like they'd rip the throat out of a Corvette or a Viper.

Posing is posing, period.

Back in the day when I thought rice was cool(before the term rice was used), I would fix up my car(performance mods only) and race all the time. But the more I race the more immature I felt and the more immaturity I've seen with my so called peers. So l left that crowd and never looked back. Anyways that was way back in high school.

To me rice is a car that has either non-fitting exterior mods weird modern art style paint job. Having three aftermarket rims but to only have one stock rim without hubs. oversized ear-piercing fart cans, some song being blasted with cheap ass staticy woofers, car bouncing cuz of cheap lowering springs while still using stock dampers. And some FOB saying WESTSIDE!! as he drives down the road. Not to mention followed by his so called crew in cheap ass hondas trying to look all hard and s**t. And if something is said about the car. The guy will just go off in his native language, but because he has such a bad accent he was actually speaking in english.

Now thats rice!:D

Originally posted by Hercules
Granted the rims might be lightweight but there's no way that Mazda put the resources to test a concept in a wind tunnel, and thus almost everything on that car is 'fluff'.

Don't be too convinced about the Mazdaspeed kit being "fluff" as far as aero is concerned. Mazdaspeed has claimed wind tunnel testing of some of it's body kits for the RX-7, and those kits were produced BEFORE Mazdaspeed was actually a part of Mazda.

Now that Mazdaspeed is a part of Mazda, they should have even more resourses at their disposal. Proper design and function of the body kit is even more likely than it was before.

And it's not just a matter of having more resourses at their disposal either. Companies generally want to avoid liability. Remember when Audi released the TT, and there were some issues with stability at high speeds which reportedly caused some accidents? Audi started putting that little spoiler on the back of the car. I would think that Mazda would at least put some resources into testing the MS kit to make sure that they aren't selling something that is potentially dangerous at high speed...something that would invite lawsuits. Remember, we aren't talking about a kit offered by some small backyard company...this is a body kit offered by Mazda. If they do test it to make sure it's safe, a side benefit is that the kit designers will have the data they need to make sure the kit is more than just "fluff".

But I'm not trying to say that the MS kit will be 100% functional either. Clearly, asthetic aspects must be taken into consideration if Mazda wants to actually sell the kit. The MS kit will likely be functional as far as aero is concerned, but perhaps not as functional as it could be.

That's my take anyway. Basically, I am not so confident that the kit will be entirely "fluff".

I think the kit is fluff right now because they're testing the waters with their CONCEPT. It will change according to public demands.

And then they will work to make it aerodynamically efficient.

3R, you hit the nail on the head with the MS RX-8 kit... it's not THAT hard to free-hand pen a form, and know (aboutish) how it's going to perform in the air: these things were done before computers and wind tunnels (ie: the first "flying machines" ;))

anyhoo, RotorMotor and i are like freakin' joined at the brain as far as what constitutes "rice"... if it's cheap and ugly and stupid (ie: provides no function), then it's rice... lately, i've been able to personally allow myself to say "okay, that looks alright" to some really well done stuff (like a Veilside kit or something) for a show or what have you...
but the name of the game is performance: posing is for losers.

Originally posted by Y&Y
To me rice is a car that has either non-fitting exterior mods weird modern art style paint job. Having three aftermarket rims but to only have one stock rim without hubs. oversized ear-piercing fart cans, some song being blasted with cheap ass staticy woofers, car bouncing cuz of cheap lowering springs while still using stock dampers. And some FOB saying WESTSIDE!! as he drives down the road. Not to mention followed by his so called crew in cheap ass hondas trying to look all hard and s**t. And if something is said about the car. The guy will just go off in his native language, but because he has such a bad accent he was actually speaking in english.

Now thats rice!:D

I c that all the time. ALL THE TIME!!! "not where I live but when ever I drive."
One time I saw a geo with mercedez benz emblem, 20 in chromes, giant spoiler, stickers all over, and it says gt-r. The worst part is that its a beaner playing that mariachi shit FULLBLAST that alot of us non mexican hate " even some mexican hate it"... I saw him on the freeway and laughed till i cry.

This is rice.

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=33891

Seriously, rice to me is overdone styling with no performance to back it up.

Very simple with me when the vehicle has over 200 differant product decals on and not any of those products on the car.:mad:

All stock no shock.

Rice is trying to make the car *look* fast but without actually achieving anything. Like putting a big wing over the rear wheels of a FWD car.

i really like the MPS RX-8 design... i dont think its rice. i guess everyone has their limits on that.

btw, that pic of the integra is totally uneccessary

Originally posted by m477
Rice is trying to make the car *look* fast but without actually achieving anything. Like putting a big wing over the rear wheels of a FWD car.

If you watch the Speed World Challenge, the guys with front wheel drive cars (Realtime Racing's Acuras for example), they have rear wings on their front wheel drive cars. I am not saying this is the same as a street car, which shouldn't need any sort of a wing when driven on the street.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=776885

Now tell me...is that what all ricers should do instead? :D

Rice is all show no go. The cars that have lots of performance mods with very little bodywork mods or a tasteful bodykit, i think some people call them "sleepers", that is the way a car should be modded.

Originally posted by blustori
btw, that pic of the integra is totally uneccessary

Neccessary, no. Funny, yes.:)

I think this is rice

http://www.riceboypage.com/shame/classic/cam-back.jpg

Check out http://www.miamirice.net/ They have rice that's local to me.

This is another thing i consider rice. I was on my way home from my girlfriend and three guys in a rice Integra pulled up next to me on the highway. We went at it from about 85. I had the guy by about 2 1/2 car lengths and suddenly he started to pull on me at over 130. To make a long story short, he did have some performance stuff in his car (Turbo, IC, N2O). Now for the rice part, no fuel management so he grenaded his engine.

In miamirice.com some looks cool, some are border line of being called rice. and some are just laughable and is rice.

Originally posted by Superfan
Now for the rice part, no fuel management so he grenaded his engine.

...i dunno if that's rice... stupid definitely, maybe not rice... *shrug*

Rice is a big wing on a stock civic. Not to be dogging the civic, but people think that they are fast cars stock when they aren't. There is no need for a big wing on the back. Just extra weight. Also, the type R stickers constitute rice. Especially when they are on geos. Some cars look nice and arent fast but it can be easily overdone IMHO. Just my .02 $ worth.

-John-